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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sundowner on June 13, 2007, 05:17:18 AM
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All I can say is....
WTH?!?!?
Just when you think gov. can't get anymore retarded, a jewel like this story pops up.
My favorite quote:
....said Reggie Little, assistant director of the motor fuel taxes division. "We're not here to hurt the small guy, we're just trying to make sure that the playing field is level."'
Regards,
Sun
Bruce Henderson, The Charlotte Observer
Bob Teixeira decided it was time to take a stand against U.S. dependence on foreign oil.
So last fall the Charlotte musician and guitar instructor spent $1,200 to convert his 1981 diesel Mercedes to run on vegetable oil. He bought soybean oil in 5-gallon jugs at Costco, spending about 30 percent more than diesel would cost.
His reward, from a state that heavily promotes alternative fuels: a $1,000 fine last month for not paying motor fuel taxes. He has been told to expect another $1,000 fine from the federal government.
To legally use veggie oil, state officials told him, he would have to first post a $2,500 bond.......
Full article:
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/599471.html
Props to http://slashdot.org/
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I bet Al Gore is laughing his butt off, saying haha, since he doesn't practice what he preaches.
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Its simple.
The government didnt get their cut.
The mafia used to call it "protection money"
Same principle. Different group of organised crime (legalised extorionists).
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DOes this mean you can get a ticket for sailing, and not using a motorboat? :cry
windtax perhaps?
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Not yet. But its comming LOL
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serves the wussie right.
Why should I have to pay gas tax and him not? isn't he using the same roads I am?
lazs
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Is it a road tax or a gas tax? If it is a gas tax he shouldn't have to pay.
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It is a tax on fuel that is supposed to be used to pay for roads.
Farmers here use a diesel that is dyed red and has no road tax on it. There is a huge fine for using it in any vehicle that is caught using public roads.
Some exceptions... they can use public roads to get to one field from another.
lazs
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They should change the name to road tax then
I thought you guys had toll booths to collect for road maintenance?
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I believe that they do call it a road tax.
most roads in the US are not toll roads.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I believe that they do call it a road tax.
most roads in the US are not toll roads.
lazs
give'em about 20 years, they'll fix that too...
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I keep wondering whether Lazs would be ok with being taxed on a new highly-pollutant fuel that increased global warming. :)
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Originally posted by Curval
They should change the name to road tax then
I thought you guys had toll booths to collect for road maintenance?
To do what you so flippanntly suggest would require a toll booth on every corner. The roads are not just the highways, it's all roads. The tax is leavied on fuel sales as the most fair way to divide the cost of providing the roads. Those that use them for vehicular transportation pay for it through taxes levied on the fuel they use in the motor vehicles they use ON the roads.
Secondarily, since the cost of transporting goods and materials on the roads is passed on to the customer, anyone who buys products also pay's a share in the cost of the roads used to translport them.
I really don't understand your problem with this particular method of taxing. In effect it's a user tax primarily for the benefit of the service (roads) the user received.
If the individual had paid the road taxes on the oil he intended to use on the road eh wouldn't have had this problem. This is not a penalty on the use of bio fuels it's a case of tax evasion.
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$1200 to convert and paying 30 percent more just to fill up his car with vegetable oil.
Well i drive a 92 Chevy 350 14mpg truck that i love and have had since i got my DL. I still commend this guy for being one of the few who are doing something different that doesn't involve using fuel that is better fit for my truck :) (sarcasm) In reality, the guy is being punished for doing something that benefits everyone around him. As far as the road tax goes, he should be exempt from it. If it takes an increased gas tax(increased because there are less people driving gasoline powered cars or cars that use less gas) to make me realize that i need to switch to a better fuel efficient car, then i will do that when the time comes.
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Originally posted by Ferndale
Technically, that's correct! I would have to buy bio-diesel from a garage forecourt (and pay road fuel taxation) or face a heavy fine if caught out. It's not a new situation. At the local boat yard they have marine diesel (known as red diesel) at less than half what I have to pay for road diesel (white diesel). My car would run just as well on red, or even on heating oil.
I know it is.
Thats why I call it "Legalised Extortion." LOL
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Originally posted by Maverick
To do what you so flippanntly suggest would require a toll booth on every corner. The roads are not just the highways, it's all roads. The tax is leavied on fuel sales as the most fair way to divide the cost of providing the roads. Those that use them for vehicular transportation pay for it through taxes levied on the fuel they use in the motor vehicles they use ON the roads.
Secondarily, since the cost of transporting goods and materials on the roads is passed on to the customer, anyone who buys products also pay's a share in the cost of the roads used to translport them.
I really don't understand your problem with this particular method of taxing. In effect it's a user tax primarily for the benefit of the service (roads) the user received.
If the individual had paid the road taxes on the oil he intended to use on the road eh wouldn't have had this problem. This is not a penalty on the use of bio fuels it's a case of tax evasion.
I flippantly suggested NOTHING. I merely asked a question.
I have no problem with it other than the fact that I would have thought that a gas tax would be a tax on gas whereas a road tax would be a tax on road useage.
lazs says they do call it a road tax...I'll take his word for it.
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&^%^ing Horse&^*%
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Originally posted by Engine
I keep wondering whether Lazs would be ok with being taxed on a new highly-pollutant fuel that increased global warming. :)
Only if everybloodybody had to pay it, whether they owned a car, bicycle, took public transportation, or walked wherever they went on sidewalks that were near a road.
Gotta be fair after all.
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How do hybrids work out with the tax? They drive just as far but don't use the same amount of gas. Is there some sort of extra amount a hybrid driver has to pay somewhere? Or even a full electric (do those even exist anymore)?
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Originally posted by lazs2
It is a tax on fuel that is supposed to be used to pay for roads.
Farmers here use a diesel that is dyed red and has no road tax on it. There is a huge fine for using it in any vehicle that is caught using public roads.
Some exceptions... they can use public roads to get to one field from another.
lazs
Thats the way it's here too. The fine here is around $8000. Also you would get the same fine if you use any other type of fuel and havenīt paid the tax on it(vegoil).
Iīm with lazs on this one, if you you use public roads you must pay for their use like everybody else.
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Originally posted by Fury
How do hybrids work out with the tax? They drive just as far but don't use the same amount of gas. Is there some sort of extra amount a hybrid driver has to pay somewhere? Or even a full electric (do those even exist anymore)?
You do not charge a hybrid car externally, so all the power generated comes from burning motor fuel. For fully electric cars the should be a system to collect the fee for using public roads another way.
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Originally posted by Fury
How do hybrids work out with the tax? They drive just as far but don't use the same amount of gas. Is there some sort of extra amount a hybrid driver has to pay somewhere? Or even a full electric (do those even exist anymore)?
I don't have time to look it up, but about 2 years ago, there was a California legislator who wanted to introduce an additional tax on hybrids for precisely this reason...
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I am not a fan of tax for anything but if you have to have taxs/fees then they should be set aside and used only for what they are intended.
We do have sales tax here on top of the road tax for fuel.
with all the new hybrids and such we should just drop all the road tax on fuel and charge everyone the same amount based on mileage... in other words... you pay by how many miles you drive a year.
lazs
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Gas taxes are "supposed" to be use for road maintenance and construction.
In my state, the Democrats have plundered that fund for more give aways to those who find work...unappealing.
So now they are putting out a $150 million bond issue....to pay for the repairs our gas taxes were *supposed* to cover.
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How much of the fuel/road tax actually goes to roads?
How much actually goes to special interest groups or to fund some stupid study?
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Wow...good ol' NC the good ol boys didnt get their cut so they tracked the hippie down. Just how was he supposed to go about paying this tax? I would have done the same thing and not realized I had to pay a tax either.
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I'd like to know how they caught him
::Edit::
Nevermind.
the idiot placed a "Powered by 100% vegitable oil" bumpersticker on his car
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
How much of the fuel/road tax actually goes to roads?
How much actually goes to special interest groups or to fund some stupid study?
Originally posted by LePaul
Gas taxes are "supposed" to be use for road maintenance and construction.
In my state, the Democrats have plundered that fund for more give aways to those who find work...unappealing.
So now they are putting out a $150 million bond issue....to pay for the repairs our gas taxes were *supposed* to cover.
When the Fed gas tax was introduced in 1932 it was NOT specifically for roads. It was for "general funds"
Not until the mid 1950s did the gas tax become linked with road construction/maintainence. At least until the late 1990's up to 25% of the tax was for "general funds" and not road related. There's several sites with breakdowns of how the money was allocated, but nothing I found for anything 2005-2006ish.
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Tax money is often more addicting then crack.
The funny thing is that the Government is willing to do more to get their fix then the crack head.
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Originally posted by RightF00T
... I would have done the same thing and not realized I had to pay a tax either.
Ya ignorance is no excuse they say . . .
They also say . . .
The US Tax Code is the only thing I have run across that is completely impentrable to the human mind. -Albert Einstein (He said somthing to this effect, I imagine I proably got some of the words wrong though)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Its simple.
The government didnt get their cut.
The mafia used to call it "protection money"
Same principle. Different group of organised crime (legalised extorionists).
Nailed it!:aok
Regards,
Sun
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Yep.. gas taxes are supposed to go for roads.. if they did and we bid out the work we would have the smoothest gold plated roads on the planet.
They do everything they can to hide the plunder but it seems that only about 50% of the money ever gets to anything that resembles a road or it's maitenence. to many social programs to support.
The guy with biodiesel may have taken food right out of the mouth of a section 8 illegal alien.
lazs