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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: storch on June 13, 2007, 09:18:55 AM
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let's say that this global warming thing were to occur and it did so quickly enough before the scientistist changed their minds again and brought us another iceage, would tennessee become beach front property?
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not quite true any longer as greater miami encroaches further west into the everglades. my concern is that I'll die before then. I'm still anxiously awaiting the promised iceage from the 70's. the reason for the question is that there are some sweet sounding deals available for land in east tennessee but I only want beach front or potentially beach front property if my heirs have a shot at it.
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troll
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It's not a "Waterworld" we need to be concerned about.
The worse case, 100 meter sea level rise, if we were to lose all the pack ice and glaciers looks like THIS (http://vrstudio.buffalo.edu/~depape/warming/World100-8190.jpg)
where Tennesee may see some bay-side property to it's west.
We don't need that dramatic a rise in sea level to cause major problems though. There are already small island communities in Micronesia, Bangladesh, Alaska, and elsewhere, where the small rise in sea levels seen so far are inundating their homes and property. A few centimeters can start causing some folks problems.
Or, you could plug in which numbers you want at http://flood.firetree.net/?ll=43.3251,-101.6015&z=13&m=7 (http://flood.firetree.net/?ll=43.3251,-101.6015&z=13&m=7) to see what effects different sea level rises have around the world. 6m (20 feet) is a common one.
Here (http://resumbrae.com/archive/warming/east.html) are various maps for various rise in sea level.
EPA no longer officially updates it's global warming site, but they maintain maps about areas vulnerable to rise in sea levels Here (http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/ResourceCenterPublicationsSLRMapsMidAtlantic.html)
And there is a good map showing how low sea levels were 18,000 years ago during the last ice age, when they were 100 meters lower, compared to today, and compared to where they would be if all the glaciers melted located here (http://members.aol.com/scipioiv/glacierwarming.html).
You have to remember that over half of the world's 6 billion people live in coastal areas, primarily large cities, lower ends of major rivers, and coastal plains. Any significant rise in sea levels that overwhelm any flood control projects that are built to protect these areas, and you get Katrina for up to half the world's population. A meter is enough to start things. Thermal expansion of water is not included in most models, but that can add to the volume of water (warmer water expanding, which raises sea levels even a bit more).
You also end up inundating most of the world's seaports and oil terminals. This greatly limits the ability to move bulk quantities of energy producing oil, natural gas, coal, bulk ores, grains and foodstuffs, and manufactured products.
You also end up inundating the desalination plants and lower river fresh water intakes and treatment facilities in much of the world.
You flood many major airports.
You flood many major routes for transportation and rail.
You flood a number of power plants.
There there is the change in evaporation and rainfall trends (Brazil sees this now, the Amazon River has dried up due to regional drought these past 3 years). There larger seas retain more solar energy in the form of heat. This can lead to stronger storms, or more storms. More damage done from these storms against crops and homes.
Finally there are the min ice age scenarios: less salty water in Great Oceanic Conveyor including the Gulf Stream leads to less heat brought to the North Atlantic = cooler temperatures regionally across New England, Eastern Canada, and Northern Europe. These areas experience much colder weather while the rest of the world heats up.
The 100 meter rise in sea level map above would be the result of a runaway event. The seabed floors and the permafrost in Siberia begin to thaw and release huge amounts of CO2 and methane, both greenhouse gases. That's the true runaway trigger, considering the amount of CO2 and methane sequestered in frozen seabeds and permafrost.
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Personally, I think the weather changes will be far more profound, both upon us and the ecosystem, before any real 'flooding' could take place.
Before you say I'm some left wing nut, I think there is little doubt we are having some changes lately, it is the cause (man-made or natural cycle) is the real question.
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Ph34R T3H GLOBAL WARMING!
(http://www.physics.uiowa.edu/adventure/fall_2006/Day-after-tomorrow.jpg)
(http://www.rubinville.com/dailydave/uploaded_images/day%20after%20tomorrow-765950.jpg)
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time to move to higher ground.
or buy a boat.
edit, in all seriousness, we need to start painting everything white to reflect the suns rays back into space and save the world.
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Sea level rises on a global scale are due to the expansion of the water volume (therefore it is a very slow process), not melting ice.
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Two weeks
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like everything on this scale... no one knows.
ferndale has the best answer for once.... let's wait and see.
lazs
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yes lets warm up a just a little bit an the next natural step is
activating our extremely large deposits of methane hydrate found
under sediments on the ocean floors, if this happen, we will get
the next "Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum", if we like it or not.
let's wait and see?
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if we like it or not.
let's wait and see?
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who ya gonna call?
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
y....., if this happen, we will get
the next "Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum", if we like it or not.
let's wait and see?
Does "Hallmark" make a card for that?:confused:
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Originally posted by tedrbr
It's not a "Waterworld" we need to be concerned about.
The worse case, 100 meter sea level rise, if we were to lose all the pack ice and glaciers looks like THIS (http://vrstudio.buffalo.edu/~depape/warming/World100-8190.jpg)
Personally aesthetically I think its an improvement.
I say lets go for it!
Hmmm might make an interesting AH MA map as well
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Originally posted by FBplmmr
Does "Hallmark" make a card for that?:confused:
Yes. You can find it in the get well section. Look under "Since you had your lobotomy."
:D
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Few interesting things about that world pic:
1)Less Jihad
2) Voting competency increased in US
3) Boring parts of Canada eliminated
4) Don't have to worry about saving the rain forest anymore, nature's gonna take care of the issue
5)No more conflict diamonds?
6)Chapel Hill= Beachfront property :-d
Come on global warming!
:D :(
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Originally posted by RightF00T
5)No more conflict diamonds?
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but the only way you can show that you "love" your women is to buy her diamonds at artificially inflated prices.
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Originally posted by RightF00T
Few interesting things about that world pic:
1)Less Jihad
2) Voting competency increased in US
3) Boring parts of Canada eliminated
4) Don't have to worry about saving the rain forest anymore, nature's gonna take care of the issue
5)No more conflict diamonds?
6)Chapel Hill= Beachfront property :-d
Come on global warming!
:D :(
:rofl
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Originally posted by storch
let's say that this global warming thing were to occur and it did so quickly enough before the scientistist changed their minds again and brought us another iceage, would tennessee become beach front property?
I would start teaching people how to sail. For 1000 dollars an hour.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I would start teaching people how to sail. For 1000 dollars an hour.
would you need a calculator to figure out the fee for a three hour tour?
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I'd be running scuba tours into manhattan
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“I guess I would ask which human beings, where and when, are to be accorded the privilege of deciding that this particular climate that we have right here today, right now, is the best climate for all other human beings. I think that’s a rather arrogant position for people to take,” Griffin said.
Does that guy still have a job after voicing such heresy? (head of Nasa)
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Originally posted by storch
would you need a calculator to figure out the fee for a three hour tour?
Dont go there!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/612_1181780350_gil_island.jpg)
Regards,
Sun
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Originally posted by storch
let's say that this global warming thing were to occur and it did so quickly enough before the scientistist changed their minds again and brought us another iceage, would tennessee become beach front property?
I was quite interested in this post..
So I conducted a test of this theory in a controlled environment..
I got myself a glass and put 7 regular sized icecubes in it then filled the glass to the brim with regular tap water..
I went and turned the thermostat in my house up by 10 degrees and sat and waited for the torrential flood in my kitchen..
Alas... The ice melted and nothing happend...
:D
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Pascals Gambit with global climate change ideas. (http://www.glumbert.com/media/global)
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Originally posted by tedrbr
The worse case, 100 meter sea level rise, if we were to lose all the pack ice and glaciers looks like THIS (http://vrstudio.buffalo.edu/~depape/warming/World100-8190.jpg)
where Tennesee may see some bay-side property to it's west.
Cool that means where my parents live would be beach front property in central Alabama and the Gulf of Mexico would only be about an hour away instead of 5. COME ON RUNWAY POLAR ICE MELT!
We need ya down here in Alabama where its drier than I can remember.
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interesting perspective. my personal solution is I'll take a 50/50 wager but I'll also hedge that bet by buying potentially waterfront property somewhere in the hills of the appalachian chain. if global warming does melt the ice caps and any of my family should happen to survive they will have a place to migrate to. I'll also keep the deeds to our submerged florida properties for the inevitable return of the iceage.
I don't perscribe to the theory that anything catastrophic will actually occur and having a place to retreat to high in the hills has been a time honored way to beat summer anyhow.
we have yet to see the all time record high broken here. personally I think the politics of the doomsayers is the real danger behind the whole global warming debate and the profound impact it's having on the younger and softer members of our society terrifies me. sadly some limpwrists like dano will eventually hold the reins of power, at that point we will really be screwed. when decisions are made by the weak or the calculating based on debatable facts pushed by the psuedo-scientific community as fact for whatever hidden agenda can only spell trouble for those of us who love what little of our freedom remains.
know this. government is a necessary evil but an evil none the less. our age's constitutional crisis is occurring before our very eyes. our way of life may not able to survive the one two punch of the "war on terror", homeland security and now additional regulations that must surely be put into place and enforced, laws created to "prevent further global warming" will limit our freedom in incalculable ways.
if you get anything from mr chicken's argument and proposition, get this. there will be draconian measures taken in the name of "save the planet". the proposed cure will be far worse than the ill they claim may possibly be.
the beauty of this argument is that it is a win win for the chicken littles. they get bigger government. when there is no catastrophic climate change they will claim to be the planatary saviors. at that point they will be able to save us from the asteriod that must surely be on it's way to smite us.
queers, the lot of them.
I'm with patrick henry on this one.
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Or an Israeli. Or Danish. Or from NY etc etc.
Just pray that the oceans near the equador don't hit the boiling point..
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Originally posted by storch
interesting perspective. my personal solution is I'll take a 50/50 wager but I'll also hedge that bet by buying potentially waterfront property somewhere in the hills of the appalachian chain. if global warming does melt the ice caps and any of my family should happen to survive they will have a place to migrate to. I'll also keep the deeds to our submerged florida properties for the inevitable return of the iceage.
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I''d be willing ot wager that all of your family would survive an ice cap melt for the simple reason that they wouldnt melt immediately but rather gradually over years giving folks plenty of time to retreat to..wherever. ;)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I''d be willing ot wager that all of your family would survive an ice cap melt for the siple reason that they wouldnt melt immediately but rather gradually over years giving folks plenty of time to retreat to..wherever. ;)
oh no!!! it will be a flash flood. it will be like someone fired up the holy microwave and in a minute thirty seconds there will be mega tsunamis hitting the costal regions to globally turn the place into ND isles. just ask carl sagan next time you see him.
the cloggys are safe they will import more dykes, rosie is taking up a collection right now. for systems redundency and as an added benefit they have their wooden shoe technology.
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Don't think so.
Humans will have plenty of time to repeat the word "cheese"
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dadano.. I listened to that guys whole speil and I came to a different conclusion.. the way he laid it out.. the risk of acting on man made climate change was worse in every way than taking a chance on not acting.
The only happy outcome was if we did nothing that we admited that it was a hoax and that it was. All the other boxes under acting involved cost and growing the government and losing freedom. You don't get those things back.
What the guy is saying is that any threat that the government or scientists come up with is worth doing whatever they say needs to be done to "fix" it... even if that means extorting money in taxes and more regulation and loss of freedom..
Very scary.. you could do the same boxes with a comet or meteorite shield needed or some new disease like the dreaded bird flu that killed the hundreds of millions of people last year as predicted...
Arent thos things worth "doing something" about? aren't they worth cost and regulation and a little bit more government in your life?
You want to be safe don't you?
lazs