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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Serenity on June 13, 2007, 10:01:03 PM
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Well, im not sure why, but ive recently had the sudden desire to learn an American plane, and again, im not sure why, but I really want to learn the jug. Ive read the evaluation pages about it, and watched some old War Department training films on it, but I cannot seem to get anything going. My model of choice is the P-47 D-11, followed by the D-20. Is anyone here willing to spend some time in the TA teaching me how to fly this great aircraft?
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ill help you out serenity just pm me ingame ill be on tommorow;)
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Thanks. This is just not my plane, lol.
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btw i recommend you check out my jug training films on furballers.com
its under video section::: then new vids up:: jug film
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Danke!
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np i owed ya one ;)
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psst Who can fly a jug there pigs!:noid
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who invited you husky?:huh
lol jk bearkats is a great n00b jug driver prob a bit better than me in jugs refer to him if you wish or as a matter a fact talk to any 56th
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Wow! My grandpa invited me to dinner with some of his friends today, and an amazing stroke of luck, one of his friends flew both the P-47D and P-47N during the war! I had a great conversation with him, only to discover to my dismay, he had nothing positive to say about it, lol. Hated the aircraft, and of course, not to my surprise he made it abundantly, clear that his favorite piston engined plane to fly (He also flew Sabres in Korea) was the P-38.
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Originally posted by Serenity
Wow! My grandpa invited me to dinner with some of his friends today, and an amazing stroke of luck, one of his friends flew both the P-47D and P-47N during the war! I had a great conversation with him, only to discover to my dismay, he had nothing positive to say about it, lol. Hated the aircraft, and of course, not to my surprise he made it abundantly, clear that his favorite piston engined plane to fly (He also flew Sabres in Korea) was the P-38.
And this surprises you? :)
Of course it's the 38
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Originally posted by Guppy35
And this surprises you? :)
Of course it's the 38
lol, I said, "not to my surprise". I have yet to meet a pilot who favored ANY plane more than the P-38.
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Originally posted by Serenity
I have yet to meet a pilot who favored ANY plane more than the P-38.
I think Chuck Yeager would say otherwise:aok
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
I think Chuck Yeager would say otherwise:aok
Actually, chuck yeager didnt have terribly much to say about his precious Mustang. He wasnt NEARLY so quick to compliment her as most P-38 pilots are... (Yes, ive talked to him)
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56th is good in jugs
also, you can find either me (SpikesX) or van.
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Originally posted by Serenity
Thanks. This is just not my plane, lol.
Good luck....They are fun so Im told.
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Originally posted by Spikey
also, you can find either me (SpikesX) or van.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Serenity
Well, im not sure why, but ive recently had the sudden desire to learn an American plane, and again, im not sure why, but I really want to learn the jug. Ive read the evaluation pages about it, and watched some old War Department training films on it, but I cannot seem to get anything going. My model of choice is the P-47 D-11, followed by the D-20. Is anyone here willing to spend some time in the TA teaching me how to fly this great aircraft?
So have you given up on the 109?
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Originally posted by LancerVT
So have you given up on the 109?
No, I still fly the Bf-109, but as I said I feel the sudden compulsion to learn an American aircraft. The Bf-109 G-6 is still my go-to plane. If I NEED to kill someone, or I need a bird im confident in, the Bf-109 is my choice. But I always want to broaden my horizons. The only way to really get good at this game is to know not just your own plane, but also your opponent's. So im constantly devoting a few weeks at a time at least to a new plane while still keeping time in my Messerschmitt. The 3 planes I go to most are the P-38, the P-40, and now the Jug. Spent some time in a Spitfire too, and that did WONDERS for my ACM I think. It gave me time to learn maneuvers and combat tactics rather than just struggling to keep my plane in control.
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The P-38 is a great plane but still the two highest scoring American Aces in the ETO (Gabreski and Johnson) flew Jugs. It's a fantastic plane once you know how to utilize its strongest assest, survivability in a dogfight.:aok
I'm not dismissing the fact that Bong and McGuire were also aces in the PTO with the P-38. I wonder if the P-47 was used more extensively in the PTO, how well it would have performed? Guppy, I wonder if you have any info on this subject?
Obie
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lol husky i was laughing too
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Originally posted by Obie303
The P-38 is a great plane but still the two highest scoring American Aces in the ETO (Gabreski and Johnson) flew Jugs. It's a fantastic plane once you know how to utilize its strongest assest, survivability in a dogfight.:aok
I'm not dismissing the fact that Bong and McGuire were also aces in the PTO with the P-38. I wonder if the P-47 was used more extensively in the PTO, how well it would have performed? Guppy, I wonder if you have any info on this subject?
Obie
It was used only as extensively as its limited range would allow. It was quite effective against the Japanese, who had no answer for its speed and dive ability. Like the P-40, the P-47 simply watched the air war move out beyond its range. On the other hand, the P-38s were not so limited.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Serenity
...im not sure why, but I really want to learn the jug...
Easy explanation--your midichlorian count is higher than the typical AH-er...
:aok
Either that or a desire to serve up some of John Browning's best with a 8X pain multiplier...
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Originally posted by Stoney74
Easy explanation--your midichlorian count is higher than the typical AH-er...
:aok
Either that or a desire to serve up some of John Browning's best with a 8X pain multiplier...
lol. Naw, I think its just beause the Jug is sexy :D
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Any putz can get a kill with a spit or 109, La7, etc...but when ya kill somethin with a JUG, there is a sense of satisfaction which other planes just don't provide:aok (that, and most folks see a P47 icon and think 'easy kill', and pursue said jug to the exclusion of all else, often resulting in their early demise)
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hehe i had fun wingin with ya a few days back bj :aok
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Man you 412 guys kill EVERYthin around, then us average folks get nuthn;) (Game IS much more fun when ya around a few friends:aok )
(wow just occurred to me I never knew Freezman was you :) )
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Jug was my first .50 cal plane to learn. I loved it, and still do!:aok
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Originally posted by bj229r
Any putz can get a kill with a spit La7, etc...but when ya kill somethin with a JUG, there is a sense of satisfaction which other planes just don't provide:aok (that, and most folks see a P47 icon and think 'easy kill', and pursue said jug to the exclusion of all else, often resulting in their early demise)
Edited for truth. (Removed Bf-109 from the 'easy-list' ;) )
Well, hows this for ya, since you think the Bf-109 is an easy plane. My jug KILLING said easy plane :D
(http://a113.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/20/l_36eec2dbb7b3bcf1b4ef3356d1ad2ba0.jpg)
(http://a551.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/9/l_e3018db888e27cbe6cf04c289686f3de.jpg)
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Heh, ya hit most anythin with 8 50's and it goes
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Originally posted by bj229r
Heh, ya hit most anythin with 8 50's and it goes
Actually, that took about 5 seconds of firing. That second pic is 5 minutes later in the fight than that first.
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Originally posted by Serenity
Actually, that took about 5 seconds of firing. That second pic is 5 minutes later in the fight than that first.
one full second of firing and it either falls to pieces or blows up. If you hold on target for 5 seconds and it hasnt gone boom, you have a problem with your connection or something!
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Originally posted by SkyRock
one full second of firing and it either falls to pieces or blows up. If you hold on target for 5 seconds and it hasnt gone boom, you have a problem with your connection or something!
You see the hit sprites in that first shot? Thats all 8 guns, and he didn even lose oil... He survived to pull 3 more turns, a hammerhead, run to ack, neraly hit a tree, try to have me cherrypicked, split ess, and finally one more turn before in the second picture, I landed another good hit.
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I really want to love jugs, because I think they have absolutely gorgeous wings. Then I fly one, and am disappointed in what pigs they are. Guess I'm just cut out for rides that build E faster. Shame... jugs are so pretty.
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Originally posted by Serenity
Actually, that took about 5 seconds of firing. That second pic is 5 minutes later in the fight than that first.
Do you know how long 5 seconds is? A 5 second burst would be a long tracking shot. The picture you showed here is almost a 90 degree deflection shot. You would have had to been on him through half a circle firring the whole time to get a 5 second burst. I only see about 5 hit sprites in the picture. Of course, my eyes ain't what they use to be, and I'm sure we do see "everything" in a snap shot. I'm thinking you just didn't hit him as well as you thought. If you had, you would have sawed his wing off.... even against a tough old bird like the 109 :D
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Originally posted by Engine
I really want to love jugs, because I think they have absolutely gorgeous wings. Then I fly one, and am disappointed in what pigs they are. Guess I'm just cut out for rides that build E faster. Shame... jugs are so pretty.
Ya need to stay reasonably fast at ALL times, but if ya have a couple thousand feet of alt to give up they accel REAL fast, and hang onto it longer than most planes. Was at 4k or so land slow ast night and managed to escape from a slightly higher 51 and a K4, 2 planes that would catch an N on the straight and level---gotta live before ya can fight somethin--also does split S quicker than most any plane I have seen
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Do you know how long 5 seconds is? A 5 second burst would be a long tracking shot. The picture you showed here is almost a 90 degree deflection shot. You would have had to been on him through half a circle firring the whole time to get a 5 second burst. I only see about 5 hit sprites in the picture. Of course, my eyes ain't what they use to be, and I'm sure we do see "everything" in a snap shot. I'm thinking you just didn't hit him as well as you thought. If you had, you would have sawed his wing off.... even against a tough old bird like the 109 :D
He had been flying straight an level before that. He had just kicked his rudder and aileron over to try to evade. I had already been firing and hitting. That picture as posted here looks wrong... as in somehow it changed from the one I have hosted online. Its not ACTUALLY a 90 degree deflection...
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Dude, no need to argue about time as it is a constant(or as atomically close as possible to constant). 5 seconds will blow up anyplane in the set!(and yes I mean bombers too) It takes less than that if you are at convergence!:aok
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Originally posted by Spikey
56th is good in jugs
also, you can find either me (SpikesX) or van.
spikesX sucks in a jug,the 56th would be good,if they can help you.
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We will help .... just look any 56th up, come fly with us some ..... we have some really good jug pilots and some in training c(:
Most people don't know much about what a p47 is capable of... some 56th have been to the "limits" and beyond (wink)
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Thanks Blu. Ill keep an eye out for you, as im just about to log in :)
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Had seen some pics in the past showing them bulldozing a lot of P38's into pits in the Phillippines after the war.
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Serenity...
The best thing you can do is Fly with the 56th for thier squad Night...
The info you will get from those guys (And girl ;) ) in one night will be better than getting training sessions.
I myself am losing my touch in the P-47 as I am back to Full time 109 dweebing...but If you have any questions fell free to ask me or any other 56th JUG Jockies.
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HOLY S***!!! :O :O :O
P-47 is UB3R!!!! Im sorry, this bird is squealing AMAZING! She outdives a Bf-109, so the BnZ is GREAT on her. I spent about 5 hours flying her when I got home friday night/saturday morning. I started off BnZing, but was getting no luck. Im just not good at BnZ. So, I saw a large furball, and decided to TnB low on the deck... DEAR GOD!!! The jug out-dives a 109 and turns like a Spitifre! I felt like I really was flying a spit! She was light, nimble, YoYos were killer, and I LOVE her in the rolling scissors. As long as I was careful about her energy, it was great!!! All 15+ (Im trying to recall from memory) kills in that period were LOW on the deck against Seafires and Corsairs. Virtually no deaths in the furballs. This plane is absolutely amazing...
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Originally posted by Serenity
HOLY S***!!! :O :O :O
P-47 is UB3R!!!! Im sorry, this bird is squealing AMAZING! She outdives a Bf-109, so the BnZ is GREAT on her. I spent about 5 hours flying her when I got home friday night/saturday morning. I started off BnZing, but was getting no luck. Im just not good at BnZ. So, I saw a large furball, and decided to TnB low on the deck... DEAR GOD!!! The jug out-dives a 109 and turns like a Spitifre! I felt like I really was flying a spit! She was light, nimble, YoYos were killer, and I LOVE her in the rolling scissors. As long as I was careful about her energy, it was great!!! All 15+ (Im trying to recall from memory) kills in that period were LOW on the deck against Seafires and Corsairs. Virtually no deaths in the furballs. This plane is absolutely amazing...
Don't give our secret away.:noid
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I honestly thought I was WAAAAAYYYY too tired to be playing, because I couldnt believe a JUG could feel so light, lol. After all, I had only gotten home at 0130, lol. But no, repeated the same results last night, and im going back in in a few minutes!
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Originally posted by Serenity
HOLY S***!!! :O :O :O
P-47 is UB3R!!!! Im sorry, this bird is squealing AMAZING! She outdives a Bf-109, so the BnZ is GREAT on her. I spent about 5 hours flying her when I got home friday night/saturday morning. I started off BnZing, but was getting no luck. Im just not good at BnZ. So, I saw a large furball, and decided to TnB low on the deck... DEAR GOD!!! The jug out-dives a 109 and turns like a Spitifre! I felt like I really was flying a spit! She was light, nimble, YoYos were killer, and I LOVE her in the rolling scissors. As long as I was careful about her energy, it was great!!! All 15+ (Im trying to recall from memory) kills in that period were LOW on the deck against Seafires and Corsairs. Virtually no deaths in the furballs. This plane is absolutely amazing...
It gets like 10 min of wep too, though not all ina row I think--watch the temp gauge and cycle it on and off throughout the fight, under normal 100% power, it will be a few ticks off the redline, when it stays ON red line long enough, ya lose it for a while, often at worst time
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Originally posted by bj229r
It gets like 10 min of wep too, though not all ina row I think--watch the temp gauge and cycle it on and off throughout the fight, under normal 100% power, it will be a few ticks off the redline, when it stays ON red line long enough, ya lose it for a while, often at worst time
It gets only 5 minutes of wep, just like all american birds. The WEP is critical for the P47N. Without it you are the biggest, heaviest, slowest, worst climbing jug, with a slightly improved roll rate. With it, you out-everything the other jugs, perhaps except for tightest low speed turning circle. What a difference.
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Originally posted by bozon
It gets only 5 minutes of wep, just like all american birds. The WEP is critical for the P47N. Without it you are the biggest, heaviest, slowest, worst climbing jug, with a slightly improved roll rate. With it, you out-everything the other jugs, perhaps except for tightest low speed turning circle. What a difference.
I know it can outturn a spit16 for a short bit, assuming he hasn't manged to get his flaps down yet. (Yah, the slow-climbing aspect is mind-numbing, making me think more about the D40, but it seems to require either more talent, more patience, or more wingies:lol
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Ive been flying with them these last few days, GREAT stuff. Bj, so far as far as best performance in these furballs, the D-40 is king. I wont ever fly the N. ENY is WAY to low for the added performance. In fact, im going the other direction. I might be in the D-11 by the end of the tour! (Im just getting comfortable in the D-25 right now)
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Ya, the D25 is nice ... .d40 does have a little extra kick to let you run if you need too .... but I prefer the d25 for a really nasty knife fight.
Good flying with you last night serenity .. I wish I had more energy to pull things together. Will try to fly with you again sir, hope we can show you a better time next... and show you some good jug flyin' :)
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Originally posted by BluKitty
Ya, the D25 is nice ... .d40 does have a little extra kick to let you run if you need too .... but I prefer the d25 for a really nasty knife fight.
Good flying with you last night serenity .. I wish I had more energy to pull things together. Will try to fly with you again sir, hope we can show you a better time next... and show you some good jug flyin' :)
lol. Sorry I disappeared... im kinda grounded, so my mum came home and I had to shut down before she got the door open :D
Ill be back on later tonight when Ashlee goes for dinner.
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Sorry I haven't been on the past couple late nights Serenity. I'm finally getting better from mono after 4 or 5 months so I'm starting to get back into sports and what not. I should be a lil more freed up after Wednesday though.
Glad you are enjoying flying with the 56th and the Jug.
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Hey, no worries. Like I said, im grounded, so I tend to disappear mid-sortie when my mum gets home early ;)
Sorry about the other day. Id been playing since 0130 with zero sleep, so when you went AFK and I put my head down on the keyboard, I didnt wake up for another 5 hours, lol. (Yeah, my jug was STILL on the runway waiting 5 hours later, lol)
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Originally posted by Serenity
(Yeah, my jug was STILL on the runway waiting 5 hours later, lol)
And you didn't get vulched?????? I"m shocked!!!!!:D
Seriously though, I really enjoy flying the Jug. She can be a real handful though. Keep with it. You won't be disappointed.
Obie:aok
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Originally posted by Obie303
And you didn't get vulched?????? I"m shocked!!!!!:D
Seriously though, I really enjoy flying the Jug. She can be a real handful though. Keep with it. You won't be disappointed.
Obie:aok
I know! It was TT too!
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Alright, every plane has a 'sweet spot' for speed. a spot where she turns at her best. Anyone willing to share with me the P-47 D-40's sweet spot? Ive been trying to find it, but have been unsuccesful.
Oh, and ive changed my favorite P-47. While I still want to be able to fly the D-11, and its my favorite overall, I find I work best with the D-40, and probably the N, but I refuse to fly any ENY=5 plane ;) I just find I fly the heavier birds with a lot more sucess. More stability, and more momentum. It makes E fights a lot easier for me. I like big Jugs :D
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serenity, SNap roll that B**ch. Also as yucca told me once, she can do unreal things when she is at her most unstable point in a stall.
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thats awsome serenity keep learnin man 56th are great guys
big<<>> to 56th on our squad fight a while back it was great fun we had a blast in the jugs and in the ponys
from the 412th!:aok
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Originally posted by Platano
serenity, SNap roll that B**ch. Also as yucca told me once, she can do unreal things when she is at her most unstable point in a stall.
ALL of my kills are at about 135 mph on the deck in a flat turn. Its where I PWN! lol. But I cannot snap-roll. I have MASSIVE issues keeping the D-25 and D-11 stable at ALL! Its an issue with my controler, since I got my new computer it is a LOT twitchier. It makes maintaining stability in ANY plane difficult, as it is WAY too responsive, but I find the '40 Jug' to be quite easy to control due to the added weight. Snap-rolls KILL me in the Jug. I stall, and spin, and then get nailed while recovering. High Yo-Yos are my secret.
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Go into the TA and up.......tell everyone in there your free target practice........and just practice snap stalling and sliding your plane in there.
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I think what they mean by snap roll is the same thing I would recommend. Learn to snap roll at will, in the direction you want too, and stop at will. . . Only way to learn is practice - try snap rolling both directions and stopping at 45 degrees, 90 degrees, 180 degrees 360... etc.... but to a point where you can control it.... This above many other things will give you much better control of your aircraft. Then try to start learning more about stalls and 'skids'.
In the end ... try to get to a point where knowing how your airplane reacts, even in extreme situations, is second nature.
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Originally posted by Serenity
ALL of my kills are at about 135 mph on the deck in a flat turn. Its where I PWN! lol. But I cannot snap-roll.
I try not to get that slow. But more times I do find myself low on the deck with about 3 cons behind me. I try for the overshoot by using alot of rudder and sometimes using the dive flaps in the D-40 to slow me down even more. I usually can get one more kill before I get blasted by a La-La or Spitty. Experiment a little.
One of the better sticks I've seen in the Jug is JensK. I think he's with the 56th but I'n not so sure. He flys Knights and is always willing to fly wing with somebody! JensK!
To be completely honest, I have the utmost respect for Jug pilots. And I definately have respect for anyone who flys a ride with an ENY more than 10!:aok
Good luck with it!
Obie:aok
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Obie you've been on channel alot lately haven't you..? Are you squadless?:)
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Originally posted by Obie303
I try not to get that slow. But more times I do find myself low on the deck with about 3 cons behind me. I try for the overshoot by using alot of rudder and sometimes using the dive flaps in the D-40 to slow me down even more. I usually can get one more kill before I get blasted by a La-La or Spitty. Experiment a little.
I TRY to get there, simply because I find my Jug outperforms their planes, regardless of WHAT plane it is. It outturns Spitfires, and outlasts Hellcats.
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never push th envelope to much know the limits of your a/c like its a part of you.
lets just say i outturn spits most every day and i know my limit if i get caught up in to slow of a tnb and or get over fixated ill extend. In the last week ive broken the wings off two of my ponys and lets just say i know how this plane preforms all because i got overfixated( big no no in all american rides) only option was to split s and guess what happend lol. Ill take anyhting to scissors in a jug then whil the dipstick is scisoring at me i cut throttle flap up and wait for snapshot and boom guess what 8 50 cals do ;) have fun
freezman
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Originally posted by evenhaim
never push th envelope to much know the limits of your a/c like its a part of you.
lets just say i outturn spits most every day and i know my limit if i get caught up in to slow of a tnb and or get over fixated ill extend. In the last week ive broken the wings off two of my ponys and lets just say i know how this plane preforms all because i got overfixated( big no no in all american rides) only option was to split s and guess what happend lol. Ill take anyhting to scissors in a jug then whil the dipstick is scisoring at me i cut throttle flap up and wait for snapshot and boom guess what 8 50 cals do ;) have fun
freezman
Yes, the rolling scissors is KILLER in that plane. Its the ONLY plane I enjoy a sucussful rolling scissors, and I find it VERY sucessful. :t
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Originally posted by Husky01
Obie you've been on channel alot lately haven't you..? Are you squadless?:)
Hi there Bear. Yes, I'm squadless. Unfortunately, I have one of those jobs that requires me to be available 24/7. I usually log on when I have some free time and the wife ack isn't too heavy.:D I'm lucky if I log 20 hours a month.
I usually tune to vox 156 or 171. (Never tuned to 200 since I started AH). Great bunch of people with the 56th and the 71st RAF!:aok
Obie
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Originally posted by Serenity
While I still want to be able to fly the D-11, and its my favorite overall, I find I work best with the D-40, and probably the N, but I refuse to fly any ENY=5 plane ;) I just find I fly the heavier birds with a lot more sucess.
Strange. I find the N to be the worst of the lot. Less lethal due to even wider spread guns, turns worse and totaly dependent on WEP or it becomes the worst jug in climb and speed. Roll rate is nice. Somehow I get killed easily or just fly it into the ground every time I take it up. I do a lot better with the D11 and D25. Give the D11 a paddle blade prop and it will OWN the other jugs.
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Here's a Jug hint:
On the N, take a drop tank and 25% fuel.
On all the rest take 50% and a drop tank.
Use the smallest ammo load.
Give that a spin. Maybe 3 sorties.
What you discover will give you food for thought.
There should be immediate food for thought if you're used to running the Jug with 1700 rounds of ammo and 75 to 100% fuel.
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and probably the N, but I refuse to fly any ENY=5 plane
Utter bs that the N is 5. Nothing for HT to base that upon
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The N carries 2500lbs of bombs, 10 rockets, over 3000 rounds of ammo, and can carry this over much longer ranges than almost every other fighter in the game, and after it drops said ord it can easily dogfight using speed, high alt performance, rugged durability.
Hell if it WASN'T ENY5 I'm be yelling for it to be MADE ENY5!
A 47D with full internal fuel will get you about 30 minutes and change on full throttle. I would say NEVER take less than 50% (and only that in rare cases) and more often you should take 75% or 100%. If you take 100% you get the added bonus that your aux tank is filled. Considering the 47 takes fuel leaks like nobody's business, once you drop your DT (if applicable) switch manual burn to main tank. Once it's gone you RTB on aux. Also handy if your main tank is losing gas due to a 20mm sized hole in the tank.
It does perform better with the smallest weapons option and the least amount of fuel, but you'll only be able to fly/fight for about 7 minutes on 25%. I never was into "disposable planes" and even if I had no kills I have always enjoyed being able to RTB. The up-killoneinafurball-die/crash/auger/bail-so-you-don't-have-to-waste-time-landing fad is a bad thing and I would not encourage anybody to take it up as a habit.
EDITED: My apologies to HAP, thought he was talking about the 47D for a minute. Removed his name because it didn't apply to what I was talking about
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Thanks Krusty. Even for base defense I take at least 75% just because the MORE weight I can pile on to that plane, the better it flies for me. No idea why, but the heavier the better.
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The N carries 2500lbs of bombs, 10 rockets, over 3000 rounds of ammo, and can carry this over much longer ranges than almost every other fighter in the game, and after it drops said ord it can easily dogfight using speed, high alt performance, rugged durability.
Hell if it WASN'T ENY5 I'm be yelling for it to be MADE ENY5!
And how is this loadout more than D40?
As for range, D40 goes 40 min at full throttle, (WHO needs more than 40 min?)
N goes 43 min at 75% (WHO takes 100% in an N?---which is 59 min)
Climb: D40 climbs at 1260 fpm with said full load out
Climb: N climbs at 923 fpm with full gas/loadout (960 or so fpm with 75% load)
(For comparison) Lancaster: 25% gas --(1 hour) 820 fpm
Climb: N 75% gas no ord 1918 fpm
Climb: D40 100% gas no ord 2260 fpm
With full load of ord, N climbs so mind numbing slowly with ord that it easier to whack a base with lancs--takes the thing well over a sector to get from zero to 14k, where it is relatively safe to have such an overladen pig. D40 beats the crap out of it in climb, is somewhat more nimble (Im starting to grasp why the 56th has it as their main ride) N has nearly 25 knots more than D40 at wep, which is its only real advantage in the MA, as I can see(that makes it faster than spit16 in level flight)---is that worth having same eny as Lghey?
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Originally posted by Krusty
The N carries 2500lbs of bombs, 10 rockets, over 3000 rounds of ammo, and can carry this over much longer ranges than almost every other fighter in the game, and after it drops said ord it can easily dogfight using speed, high alt performance, rugged durability.
Hell if it WASN'T ENY5 I'm be yelling for it to be MADE ENY5!
This is what the OBJ rating is for. I think it should have a 5 OBJ for sure. But a 5 ENY? I'll never understand it. It used to be 12. Probably more balanced at that rating.
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Bj229 is right. The N is far from the best jabo of the jug, but so few realize it. The only thing it will do better is use WEP to escape after the drop.
Krusty, this is partially true. I usually take 75%+DT on the D25/40. For the D11 I sometimes take up to 100%. However, you can get extreme milage out of the jug if you reduce MAP and RPM. The cruise home I usually do on "normal" settings in the E6B. If I want to loiter in some location I also reduce throttle/RPM. D25/40 with 50% and DT is very viable if you are in mind to fly economically. For the D11 this is still a little short.
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how do you get the i love big jugs thing serinity if you mom gets home early just turn off monitor:aok
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Bj229 is right.
sonofabich lemme get the camera, this moment must be prerserved:O
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Tryin out D40 more this camp, for jabo esp. ....if all the gas ya have left is aux tank, does plane get un-balanced or anything?
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Originally posted by 64kills
how do you get the i love big jugs thing serinity if you mom gets home early just turn off monitor:aok
I made it. And you think my mum is bad? I was having a long loud conversation about that when my girlfriend walked in!
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Sorry, been gone a few days
All good responses, re D40 v N.
However, the D40 is range limited when max loaded. Because it has to struggle so hard it burns off a lot of gas. 2500 + rks slows you down a lot.
While it might climb a bit better than the N (it does this when "empty" as well) it will not have the option of loitering as long AFTER the ord has been placed on target. The N has "free DTs" so to speak. They don't take up hard points on the wings, but they allow it to burn as much gas as needed to get the ord to target then it can fly around as long as it takes to use up 3500 rounds of ammo.
Also, while it does climb worse, the top speed and WEP performance more than make up for it. The acceleration on the N is remarkably better than the D40 (especially the high end acceleration). On of the better tactics in a jug is to slow down, bleed off speed, force an overshoot, or do something that lands a faster enemy in your gunsights. Surviving AFTER that point is greatly helped by the superior WEP capabilities, to get back up to speed again.
Stoney: Do you consider the P51D any better a plane than the P47N? Personally I see them as equals, pretty much. Making the 47N an ENY of (let's say) 20 would require the P-51D to have the same ENY. Now, a p51D with an ENY of 20 would have EVERYBODY up in a rage.
So, I don't see why folks would want a plane just as good, but with longer range and more ord, to have a lesser value... :huh
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Originally posted by Serenity
I made it. how do you make avatars?:huh
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Originally posted by Serenity
lol, I said, "not to my surprise". I have yet to meet a pilot who favored ANY plane more than the P-38.
have you talked to someone that flew spits???? you will not see them talking about P38s. not saying the spits are the best ride out there. i love alot of planes. i fly ponys spits 262s IL2 P47 all models P38s the list goes on and on.
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Originally posted by LTARkilz
have you talked to someone that flew spits???? you will not see them talking about P38s. not saying the spits are the best ride out there. i love alot of planes. i fly ponys spits 262s IL2 P47 all models P38s the list goes on and on.
No, not a lot of former RAF out here in Hawaii.