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Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Atoon on June 14, 2007, 11:41:46 PM
maybe it was just a bad night, but between the stench from the rotting corpse of these stale arse maps we are STILL forced to fly on, and the never ending sea of high la7s, often piloted by skilled sticks slumming in trainer rides stroking their pathetic egos-  I really didnt enjoy the game tonight. It seems to be an increasing trend, nothing but la7s-


It really is OK to not fly la7s & spit16 all the time, go ahead, have a lil confidence in yerself!  Try  somthing that doesnt have the pretty training wheels with spinners & the frilly tassels from the handlebars. Step outside the NORM! I remember when good pilots were ashamed to fly EZ mode planes. Some of us still are.

Perk rides are diff cause at least yer risking somthing, la7s are for noobs & simps. If you fly an la7, in my eyes yer either a noob or a simp-
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: 999000 on June 14, 2007, 11:44:14 PM
Aton good to see you
999000
Title: <----- Will mostly be in spits
Post by: 4deck on June 14, 2007, 11:47:20 PM
As far as the maps go, You have drained my NRG. Nothing but same tactics. PLEASE for the love a of a wiener dogs back, can we PLEASE have a different map;  Thank You in Advance.
Title: Re: completely unenjoyable
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2007, 12:08:26 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Atoon
Try  somthing that doesnt have the pretty training wheels with spinners & the frilly tassels from the handlebars.


Maybe I should try flying after all *grin*  I'll fly the newb LA
Title: Re: completely unenjoyable
Post by: thndregg on June 15, 2007, 12:14:52 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Atoon
Try  somthing that doesnt have the pretty training wheels with spinners & the frilly tassels from the handlebars. Step outside the NORM!


Yak9T works for me.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Atoon on June 15, 2007, 12:31:03 AM
999000

Ya dayum b17 daweeb :D
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: BaldEagl on June 15, 2007, 12:34:18 AM
I usually fly ~50 different planes each camp and I'll fly Spits and LA's when I please thank you (plus Ponies, N1Ki's, Temps, 163's, 262's, C-Hogs and whatever else I feel like).  I don't really care what you think.

Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Atoon on June 15, 2007, 12:43:32 AM
When ya fly simp rides- yer a simp.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Blooz on June 15, 2007, 01:07:29 AM
You're just lucky that so few know the Yak9U is a simp plane.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: BaldEagl on June 15, 2007, 01:54:51 AM
I was going to say the same thing.  The Yak-9U is one of my best planes overall behind only the 190's.  Better than the Spits and LA's by a very wide margin.  Fast, manouverable, awsome firepower, the best of all worlds.  Talk about training wheels.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: eh on June 15, 2007, 02:51:49 AM
But it's a socialist plane. It CAN'T be any good?
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Atoon on June 15, 2007, 04:20:51 AM
many try, but few can deal with yak limited firepower.  La7 is faster, turns better, grabs better, dives better & has more firepower. But dont let the facts get in the way. Simple is as simple does.
Title: Re: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Furball on June 15, 2007, 04:37:38 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Atoon
I got owned by an la7 :cry :cry :cry
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Atoon on June 15, 2007, 04:53:18 AM
very clever furball:aok  Fill in the quote to read what you want, how original!

yep I did get shot by an la7, if thats all the NME has the balls to fly, by process of elimination, thats all that CAN shoot me down.


Maybe one of the AH statisticians can create a graph charting all planes lifted. It would be interesting to see just how many elgay7/spixqueen simps the game really has. Im gonna guess 1 out of every 3 planes is an la7 or spixteen. So many BRAVE pile-its these days..............
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Bronk on June 15, 2007, 05:06:00 AM
Hmm, set auto speed to 220  watch the yak get all the separation it needs.
Most planes have 2 choices.
1. Try and match it's speed.  
Oops now the bugger 1.5- 2K  above me.:furious

2.Try and match it's climb.
Damn, still no good. Now the bastage is 1.5-2k in front. With more speed:furious

Yup the yak is such a weak ride.:rolleyes:

The only thing keeping it from La7/spit XVI use in the arenas is lack of ammo.
Well that and ignorance of how good a plane it is.

Bronk
Title: 3 words
Post by: Eagler on June 15, 2007, 05:39:26 AM
EW, MW, AvA
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Blooz on June 15, 2007, 05:41:08 AM
The Yak9U out turns the LA7 easily.

Just turn to the right.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Lusche on June 15, 2007, 06:55:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Atoon
Maybe one of the AH statisticians can create a graph charting all planes lifted. It would be interesting to see just how many elgay7/spixqueen simps the game really has. Im gonna guess 1 out of every 3 planes is an la7 or spixteen. So many BRAVE pile-its these days..............



Current tour plane usage:
(Usage= Kills+Deaths)  
Plane           Kills   Deaths   K/D    Usage    %
P-51D           13753 13206 1.04 26959 6.4%
Spitfire Mk XVI 13341 12529 1.06 25870 6.2%
La-7        13243 10786 1.23 24029 5.7%
N1K2        13028 10942 1.19 23970 5.7%
SeaFire          6794 7967 0.85 14761 3.5%
F6F-5         6029 7383 0.82 13412 3.2%
Typhoon IB 7546 5199 1.45 12745 3.0%
Bf 110G-2 5116 7236 0.71 12352 2.9%
Lancaster III 2601 9621 0.27 12222 2.9%
(...)
Total       149445  168951          419224


Spit XVI and LA have only 11.9 % combined.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SuperDud on June 15, 2007, 06:57:31 AM
All I see is "WAAAAA people won't fly what I like and keep killing me!" As for being "forced" to play on these maps... no one is forcing you to do anything. You choose to fly on them or you choose to leave.

I use to cry about people running away but it's how some people play. Same goes for the spits and lalas. Sure it sucks, but it's the way it is. Once again you're not being "forced" to fight them. You can choose to not play or(and stay with me on this) try mid or early war arenas.

Just a thought.

I will add I don't play this game to prove I have balls. I play it for fun, and if killing people in a lala is fun for me, I'm going to do it.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Ghastly on June 15, 2007, 07:01:29 AM
:noid

But no one complains about the P51D, there must be some rea...




What's that sound????



Oh no... Oh no ... OMG!!



It's the Pony Mafia!!!!!
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Ghastly on June 15, 2007, 07:07:26 AM
P.S.  

Flew the mid-war arena while waiting for an old squadmate and few of his coworkers to come online - had good fights and a pretty good time.  

(Not that I mind LA7's - most aircraft are more competitive than my ride in most ways, so it's all in knowing how to avoid the fights you can't win.)

You might have better luck out there.

Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: elc7367b on June 15, 2007, 07:35:53 AM
Fly the hurri 1, its a blast, takes a little more skill to get kills in.  There are those that fly the less ubber planesets.  I respect filth, he flys the p40 quite a bit.  To many people rely on cannon planes to compensate for gunnery.  I am not especially good a gunnery but 8 .303s at close range is where the fun is at for me at least.  Only problem is getting ganged when fighting.  Let the hurri fight, he surely cant run.
Title: Re: completely unenjoyable
Post by: 1Boner on June 15, 2007, 08:18:14 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Atoon
maybe it was just a bad night, but between the stench from the rotting corpse of these stale arse maps we are STILL forced to fly on, and the never ending sea of high la7s, often piloted by skilled sticks slumming in trainer rides stroking their pathetic egos-  I really didnt enjoy the game tonight. It seems to be an increasing trend, nothing but la7s-


It really is OK to not fly la7s & spit16 all the time, go ahead, have a lil confidence in yerself!  Try  somthing that doesnt have the pretty training wheels with spinners & the frilly tassels from the handlebars. Step outside the NORM! I remember when good pilots were ashamed to fly EZ mode planes. Some of us still are.

Perk rides are diff cause at least yer risking somthing, la7s are for noobs & simps. If you fly an la7, in my eyes yer either a noob or a simp-




La 7s?  

I ususally can,t see the La 7s because all of the 109s and F4s are in the way.



La 7 is a great plane by the way.




Simply Noobish,

Boner:cool:
Title: Re: completely unenjoyable
Post by: dedalos on June 15, 2007, 09:08:44 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Atoon
maybe it was just a bad night, but between the stench from the rotting corpse of these stale arse maps we are STILL forced to fly on, and the never ending sea of high la7s, often piloted by skilled sticks slumming in trainer rides stroking their pathetic egos-  I really didnt enjoy the game tonight. It seems to be an increasing trend, nothing but la7s-


It really is OK to not fly la7s & spit16 all the time, go ahead, have a lil confidence in yerself!  Try  somthing that doesnt have the pretty training wheels with spinners & the frilly tassels from the handlebars. Step outside the NORM! I remember when good pilots were ashamed to fly EZ mode planes. Some of us still are.

Perk rides are diff cause at least yer risking somthing, la7s are for noobs & simps. If you fly an la7, in my eyes yer either a noob or a simp-


SkyRock 200:<------- pwns you in a LA7
Title: Re: Re: completely unenjoyable
Post by: BaldEagl on June 15, 2007, 09:37:23 AM
Quote
Originally posted by 1Boner
La 7s?  

I ususally can,t see the La 7s because all of the 109s and F4s are in the way.


:rofl :aok

You forgot to add P-51's.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Avenger8 on June 15, 2007, 10:07:12 AM
Last tour # 1 was the N1K2 with 34,323 kills (In real life, less than 2,000 were produced :))   ((And yes I know this has nothing to do with real life.))
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Bruv119 on June 15, 2007, 10:17:47 AM
Step away from the computer.

Take a break, go outside do something different.

Come back DO NOT get wrapped into capturing or defending bases.  

Steer clear of the HUGE red dar bars.  

Try and find yourself a couple of one vs ones in a plane you wouldnt usually fly.   Amaze your enemy with your uber flying ability in a Spit mk 1 or other equally ancient plane and laugh at them when they take a face full of 303's from point blank range and explode.

Works for me give it a go  


:aok

Bruv
~S~
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Shamus on June 15, 2007, 10:20:40 AM
I don't fly the yak9u much any more, but when I'm in one the last thing that bothers me is an la7, I love fighting la7's in it.

Now a spit 16? thats another story.

shamus
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Bruv119 on June 15, 2007, 10:24:38 AM
Spit 16's are only dangerous in a good spit pilots hands.  The average 16 driver just plain sucks.

The 16 has pretty poor low speed handling and many planes can outturn it low and slow.

Cant count how many times ive been in a f4u1d and made LA7's and SPIT 16's look like idiots.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: whiteman on June 15, 2007, 10:25:10 AM
i must have been on the right part of the map, my short time before getting discoed i saw only one LA7 and two spit 16's. mainly spit 8, 38L and F6F. much more fun to fly against those when out numbered.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Sketch on June 15, 2007, 10:38:24 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Bronk
The only thing keeping it from La7/spit XVI use in the arenas is lack of ammo.
Well that and ignorance of how good a plane it is.

Bronk


Actually, it is the guy flying it and his lack of 'aim'..... :D

Yak is a great plane and you takes some time to really figure out.  Once you do though it is a blast to fly.  :aok
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Whisky58 on June 15, 2007, 10:48:58 AM
Yak.


<-----   Why'd anyone want to call a plane after a hairy Tibetan cow?
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Sincraft on June 15, 2007, 10:53:05 AM
yea I'm not long for this game either.

If you're higher.  You have a great advantage.  If you are lower, you have to work hard to get higher but OH you just got bounced by an LA7.

Sure, you can pull away or come in from another port, usually to be met by at the higher altitudes by even more skilled pilots, but you have more options at that point.

So, what then happens is, you find yourself flying forever before you can battle battle.

Then you have to ask yourself, what's next?  What can I do that is 'different or fun'.  So you take up some bombers, or work on attacking ords etc.  But for me, attacking into flack is ALWAYS a big no no.  I do all the right things but always end up dying or getting injured.  So that's not really fun.

The second you start focusing on ground forces to repel....OH here comes the uber LA or the diving p50run...

yea we can do all the same they are doing but geesh - give us something else to tinker with.  DIFFERENT maps would go a LONG way.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: hubsonfire on June 15, 2007, 10:56:12 AM
All those noobs and simps in low ENY planes are the bread and butter of kills every tour. If those people start flying lesser planes, they'll compensate by trying to maintain an even greater advantage in alt and numbers. There's quite enough of that already.

As long as they're willing to mix it up, who cares what they're in? I'd rather deal with some clown in an La who's hell-bent on shooting someone than a bunch of numpties in yaks loitering 5k above me and not confident enough to engage until they have a 5 to 1 advantage.

Ukno, you really need to lighten up man. Your posts read like Urchin's.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SteveBailey on June 15, 2007, 11:11:56 AM
P51.  It used to be a formidable plane til they porked its turning ability.

Let's see...

Pros:
 It's pretty fast.
Good cockpit visibility
Good dive characteristics

Cons:

It's very average in sturdiness, has a radiator
It accelerates quite poorly.
Climbs below average
Turns poorly
Average lethality
Poor low speed performance
Average to poor roll rate and losw speed.

In short, the 51 is a long way from being an uber ride.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: 7Gank7 on June 15, 2007, 11:16:57 AM
I agree with ya atoon.  I'm new to the game (although I'm an old warbirds vet) and I've already learned to hate those freakin La7's buzzing everywhere.  Only manuver they seem to know is BnZ
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Lusche on June 15, 2007, 11:17:30 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SteveBailey
P51.  It used to be a formidable plane til they porked its turning ability.

Let's see...

Pros:
 It's pretty fast.
Good cockpit visibility
Good dive characteristics

Cons:

It's very average in sturdiness, has a radiator
It accelerates quite poorly.
Climbs below average
Turns poorly
Average lethality
Poor low speed performance
Average to poor roll rate and losw speed.

In short, the 51 is a long way from being an uber ride.


I would like to add on the PRO side: still quite good instant turns at high speed
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Lusche on June 15, 2007, 11:19:11 AM
Quote
Originally posted by 7Gank7
I agree with ya atoon.  I'm new to the game (although I'm an old warbirds vet) and I've already learned to hate those freakin La7's buzzing everywhere.  Only manuver they seem to know is BnZ


They are far from buzzing everywhere. For real numbers, look my first post in this thread.
Besides that, you rarely see La7 venturing into enemy territory. They simply don't have enough gas.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: BaldEagl on June 15, 2007, 11:29:43 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SteveBailey
P51.  It used to be a formidable plane til they porked its turning ability.

Let's see...

Pros:
 It's pretty fast.
Good cockpit visibility
Good dive characteristics

Cons:

It's very average in sturdiness, has a radiator
It accelerates quite poorly.
Climbs below average
Turns poorly
Average lethality
Poor low speed performance
Average to poor roll rate and losw speed.

In short, the 51 is a long way from being an uber ride.


I assume you mean the P-51D.  I actually prefer the B.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: dedalos on June 15, 2007, 11:29:43 AM
Quote
Originally posted by 7Gank7
I agree with ya atoon.  I'm new to the game (although I'm an old warbirds vet) and I've already learned to hate those freakin La7's buzzing everywhere.  Only manuver they seem to know is BnZ


Yeah, Unlike the 51s, typhies, tempests, vulch90s, F4Us, C205s, 109s and even spits.

U guys think lalas are so easy, take one up.  See how many kills you land.  I said it before.  The only real problem people have with lalas is that they ran them down.  No vulch ol cherry kill landings fo you.  No wtfg on your 15 kills in a F4U-1C or Tiphy.

Focus on killing them instead of where the ack is
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SlapShot on June 15, 2007, 11:45:35 AM
Quote
Originally posted by dedalos
The only real problem people have with lalas is that they ran them down.  No vulch ol cherry kill landings fo you.  No wtfg on your 15 kills in a F4U-1C or Tiphy.


Can I get an AMEN !!!

Those who fly in the "faster" planes that run when things go wrong (usually after the first reversal) cringe at the sight of an LA-7 ... cause they know they will get run down like a dog and ultimately killed cause they really can't fight for watermelon when things get ugly.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: FALCONWING on June 15, 2007, 11:47:19 AM
Quote
Originally posted by dedalos
Yeah, Unlike the 51s, typhies, tempests, vulch90s, F4Us, C205s, 109s and even spits.

U guys think lalas are so easy, take one up.  See how many kills you land.  I said it before.  The only real problem people have with lalas is that they ran them down.  No vulch ol cherry kill landings fo you.  No wtfg on your 15 kills in a F4U-1C or Tiphy.

Focus on killing them instead of where the ack is



you said it perfectly!!!!:aok

when i first began flying this game i flew the spit5 because it was the most forgiving model...but soon i realized i couldnt catch the "good pilots" who would pick me in a furball but then easily outclimb or plain run...lot of times these were 190's and 51's back then...i have an anti-german plane bias growing up in Britain and the 51 has never been sexy for me...so i tried the la7 and it is wonderful for catching the "great pickers" who used to live in 190d9 and 109g14 and 51s...now everyone has to fight when i show up!!!  i love it!!! it also easily outturns a 51 and 190...but it is NOT a GREAT turner and i have no trouble killing la7s when im in a different plane....

i have noticed that since the 190d9s and 51s get run down i am now seeing these l33t guys hopping in tempests/262s/f4u1cs....and then the crap of ..."oh its a perk plane so its ok"  puhlease....everyone one of those perk birds are better speed and cannon than a la7....which is what most criticize about them:huh
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: whiteman on June 15, 2007, 11:48:08 AM
only planes i hate seeing are niki's and ki-84's, i get turned into swiss cheese most the time.

190's, Typ/ Temp, 51's and c-hogs you seem to get the same fight. atleast from my breif experience here.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: FALCONWING on June 15, 2007, 11:48:48 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SlapShot
Can I get an AMEN !!!

Those who fly in the "faster" planes that run when things go wrong (usually after the first reversal) cringe at the sight of an LA-7 ... cause they know they will get run down like a dog and ultimately killed cause they really can't fight for watermelon when things get ugly.


Preach it brother slapshot!!!!

love seeing some other vets recognizing what the real hatred of la7's stem from....:aok
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Guppy35 on June 15, 2007, 11:55:15 AM
It's all about the mindset YOU bring to the game.  Who cares what the other guy flies.  Shoot em down.

I fly a early/midwar bird all the time, the P38G.  And as anyone who flies with me can tell you, I don't fly at alt.  (Too old to waste time climbing)  So the bad guys are always above me and 9 times out of 10 are in better birds performance wise.

BUT!  Since I'm not really dying and the challenge for me is to beat them from a disadvantage, it's all good.

I'm a sucky pilot, but so far I'm 101 kills to 58 deaths under those circumstances that I fly.  10-3 vs Spit 16s, 8-4 against 109K4s,  9-0 against Spit IXs, 7-1 against LAs.  etc.

Quit grumbling about the other guy and kill em.  And if it's really that serious, it's time to do something else until you get your perspective back on the game :aok
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Avenger8 on June 15, 2007, 12:04:45 PM
Hey Guppy, P-38G is my main ride too.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Guppy35 on June 15, 2007, 12:15:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Avenger8
Hey Guppy, P-38G is my main ride too.


Glad to know there is another 38G convert.  My goal is to have everyone in em, while coating the arenas with my 38G parts :)
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SteveBailey on June 15, 2007, 12:17:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by BaldEagl
I assume you mean the P-51D.  I actually prefer the B.


B pony suffers still more.... yes it turns a smidge better but it only has 4 guns.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Atoon on June 15, 2007, 12:17:09 PM
pretty surprised by the numbers, and yea, I prolly am due for another break.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Atoon on June 15, 2007, 12:19:14 PM
I know theres some guys out there that still have the courage & skill to not fly trainer rides, I  them.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Atoon on June 15, 2007, 12:22:29 PM
Quote
Originally posted by FALCONWING
Preach it brother slapshot!!!!

love seeing some other vets recognizing what the real hatred of la7's stem from....:aok


The real hatred of AH la7  for me is that I feel they were made so easy to fly to help NEWBIES with the extreme AH learning curve. Unfortunately there is no system keeping 6-7 year vets from "slumming" in them.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: tedrbr on June 15, 2007, 12:31:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Lusche
Current tour plane usage:

.................

Spit XVI and LA have only 11.9 % combined.


But 4 planes out of 74 account for 1/4 of all planes flown, pretty much every tour:  La-7, Pony-D, Niki, and Spit-16.
 
I also see a lot of C-Hawgs some tours, but it's been off in numbers the last two tours that I checked.

Last tour, the top four planes accounted for about 24% of all flown.
The next 28 planes accounted for about 57% of those flown in the 1 to 3% range per plane, and where many bombers, carrier planes, 110's, and goons are found in use.
The next 31 planes accounted for just under 17% of planes flown in the 1% down to .25% per plane.
The lowest 11 planes accounted for less than 2% flown, all under .25% per plane:  Spit-1, Me 163, Boston, SBD, Stuka (Give us the G conversion!), P-40B, C.202, Bf 109E-4, Kate, Val (Judy, where art thou!), and the Arado (only perk buff ride) dead last.

It's sad because there are a lot of other great rides in the game players are missing out on.  Where's the challenge of flying ENY 5 planes all the time?
Well, it's their nickel; they paid to play.   And if the choice is for me to engage a high eny plane in a furball, or a "uber-ride"..... well..... I love taking Spit-16's out from under their pilot's seats whenever I can.

And for you score jocky's out there: Mine has been between 500 and 700 most of this tour.  I'm not that great of a stick, but flying higher ENY planes does wonders for your scores and perk points if you like those things, but don't frequent the milkrunner arenas other than to mess up some one else's score.


Why fly an La7 when you can take an La5 (ENY 20).  I actually like the Pony-B (ENY 20) more than the Pony-D in the game.  The Ki-84 (ENY 15) is still my favorite turn fighter.  Yak-9T (ENY 25) and Yak9-U (ENY 20) are great little planes in base defense.  I've been flying the C.205 (ENY 20) a lot this past month with good results (I'm sorry the G.55 was never a contender in voting) -- I'm liking the C.205 in high alt (I love catching high ponies and splixteens hovering over a furball or capped field), combat patrols, and in anti-bomber roles.

I used to fly B-17's a lot on older, larger maps in strat war, but these days my bombers are the IL-2 and A-20G (both ENY 25) ( since we won't be seeing the 'Vader).


If the game is becoming un-enjoyable, it's time to switch what you are doing, switch your AO on the map, switch sides, switch arenas, or step away from the game for a while.  I took a two+ month break from the game, and it can help.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: FALCONWING on June 15, 2007, 12:37:26 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Atoon
The real hatred of AH la7  for me is that I feel they were made so easy to fly to help NEWBIES with the extreme AH learning curve. Unfortunately there is no system keeping 6-7 year vets from "slumming" in them.


you obviously see this as a furball/dogfiting game and i can understand where you are coming from...but the MA has many different facets and ways to play...you wish to bring a DA/AvA mentality to the MA and impose it (via insults and degrading comments) on a much more dynamic playing ground....


if the la7 was somehow modeled by HTC as a newbie training plane, then i missed that day and announcement...i dont think it is the easiest plane to fly..but i do think it is a tuff plane for vets to fly against....

i have always flown the best plane for the situation i am fighting in and i ALWAYS choose difficult fights...so i do NOT consider slumming as flying the best possible plane to accomplish my goals...

i actually consider slumming to be PURPOSEFULLY choosing the wrong plane to do well in a situation and hoping i run into less experienced pilots in better rides so i can "feel good" about myself (OR make then feel bad about themselves)...

Im NOT sure what one considers purposefully choosing a lesser ride and BERATING others for not doing the same thing when the same choices are available to all....:rolleyes:
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SteveBailey on June 15, 2007, 12:41:32 PM
I fail to see what the  hub bub about the la7 is.  I understand its' strengths but it has weaknesses that are often exacerbated by the pilot's dependence on the plane's speed and said pilot's lack of acm knowledge.

These weaknesses are readily exploitable. Rev on a  La make him miss the HO and they are often at a loss of what to do next besides "extend"

Make an la7 overshoot and you often have a panicked pilot in front of your guns.

No, I'm  not claiming to be the expert on killing cartoon planes but I do OK against la7's in a plane that is slower, turns worse, rolls worse, climbs worse, and accelerates worse.  Maybe I'm just lucky.   :aok
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SlapShot on June 15, 2007, 12:48:04 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Atoon
The real hatred of AH la7  for me is that I feel they were made so easy to fly to help NEWBIES with the extreme AH learning curve. Unfortunately there is no system keeping 6-7 year vets from "slumming" in them.


So you are insinuating that the flight model of the LA-7 has been tweaked to help NEWBIES and that it really doesn't fall within the "correct" flight model for LA-7s like other planes ?

I drag my LA-7 out of the hanger for goon hunting or when I look out of the tower and see multiple 190s, 109s, P-51s, and Typhoons coming in with alt that need a spanking after their initial lame attempt at attacking the base.
Title: Fly it.
Post by: Stampf on June 15, 2007, 12:49:22 PM
Alot of actually good and valid points in this thead from both sides of the topic. I have the opposite affection for German planes than Falc does and fly them exclusively in Late War everynight.  Everybody plays differently, and always will.

There's: warwinners,landgrabbers,milkrunners,furballers,scoremongers,historytypesand  just plain old aviation freaks.  We have all kinds.  Who cares what the other guy is flying and why.  I'm a student stick at best and this tour I am currently at 115K to 12d and NONE of my rides made THE LIST.

The man makes the machine...Fight the man.  .
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Atoon on June 15, 2007, 12:50:16 PM
Excellent post tedrbr!

Falc- your plane use/choice is logical and likely not the la7s I would normally consider slumming. I admit I was painting with a broad brush when I made the slumming comment. I think vets in la7s taking on a whorde is perfectly acceptable. Its more often used AS THE WHORDE though.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Kev367th on June 15, 2007, 12:53:39 PM
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Originally posted by Lusche
Current tour plane usage:
(Usage= Kills+Deaths)  
Plane           Kills   Deaths   K/D    Usage    %
P-51D           13753 13206 1.04 26959 6.4%
Spitfire Mk XVI 13341 12529 1.06 25870 6.2%
La-7        13243 10786 1.23 24029 5.7%
N1K2        13028 10942 1.19 23970 5.7%
SeaFire          6794 7967 0.85 14761 3.5%
F6F-5         6029 7383 0.82 13412 3.2%
Typhoon IB 7546 5199 1.45 12745 3.0%
Bf 110G-2 5116 7236 0.71 12352 2.9%
Lancaster III 2601 9621 0.27 12222 2.9%
(...)
Total       149445  168951          419224


Spit XVI and LA have only 11.9 % combined. [/B]



If you look back the last 3-4 tours the PonyD has overtaken the XVI and La7 as the most used plane.

STRANGE - PonyD is still an ENY of 8, every other reaching those heights had an ENY 5 slapped on it REAL FAST.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Atoon on June 15, 2007, 12:54:20 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SteveBailey
No, I'm  not claiming to be the expert on killing cartoon planes but I do OK against la7's in a plane that is slower, turns worse, rolls worse, climbs worse, and accelerates worse.  Maybe I'm just lucky.   :aok


I kill PLENTY of LA7s, im prolly just lucky too. But that isnt the point of the thread.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SlapShot on June 15, 2007, 12:56:12 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SteveBailey
I fail to see what the  hub bub about the la7 is.  I understand its' strengths but it has weaknesses that are often exacerbated by the pilot's dependence on the plane's speed and said pilot's lack of acm knowledge.

These weaknesses are readily exploitable. Rev on a  La make him miss the HO and they are often at a loss of what to do next besides "extend"

Make an la7 overshoot and you often have a panicked pilot in front of your guns.

No, I'm  not claiming to be the expert on killing cartoon planes but I do OK against la7's in a plane that is slower, turns worse, rolls worse, climbs worse, and accelerates worse.  Maybe I'm just lucky.   :aok


Nope ... your not lucky ... your description is pretty much right on.

According to the stats that Lusche printed ...

La-7            13243   10786   1.23

The La-7 has a whopping K/D of 1.23 ... a real monster in my book ...  :rofl

When are people going to realize ... it's not the plane ... it's the pilot that makes a plane dangerous.

If a vet hands you your arse in an La-7 ... you can almost rest assured that he probably would have handed you your arse in just about any plane ... so it doesn't really matter in the long run.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: BaldEagl on June 15, 2007, 01:01:23 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Atoon
Falc- your plane use/choice is logical and likely not the la7s I would normally consider slumming. I admit I was painting with a broad brush when I made the slumming comment. I think vets in la7s taking on a whorde is perfectly acceptable. Its more often used AS THE WHORDE though.


Hmm... didn't you say anybody who flew a "simp" plane was a "simp"?  Are we qualifying that now?  Sucking up because you were out-argued?  Changing your mind?  Ready for a retraction?
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Lusche on June 15, 2007, 01:05:25 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SlapShot

The La-7 has a whopping K/D of 1.23 ... a real monster in my book ...  :rofl
^


Yep. In K/D ranking, La is currently ranked #17, N1K #19 Spit 16 #28 :)
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: dedalos on June 15, 2007, 02:02:32 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Atoon
The real hatred of AH la7  for me is that I feel they were made so easy to fly to help NEWBIES with the extreme AH learning curve. Unfortunately there is no system keeping 6-7 year vets from "slumming" in them.


Tell you what.  You take a lala with its training wheels, I'll take a P40 and we will see how easy the lala is.

I guess the Yak you fly is a slow plane that does not turn well? :lol
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Lusche on June 15, 2007, 02:08:17 PM
All in all, this thread encourages me to start flying the LA7 more often again. :aok
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SkyRock on June 15, 2007, 02:10:10 PM
Quote
Originally posted by FALCONWING
you obviously see this as a furball/dogfiting game


if the la7 was somehow modeled by HTC as a newbie training plane, then i missed that day and announcement...i dont think it is the easiest plane to fly..but i do think it is a tuff plane for vets to fly against....


It is a dogfighting/furballing game!

la7 is one of the easiest planes to kill, I find them to be no problem and a lot easier than yaks and spits and hurri's.   Dweebs that live in them, are just whiney little boys who don't want to learn the advantages of planes which they can't run from a fight in......!  That is my only complaint about la7 dweebs, they like to run, they run almost every time they can't sneak up and gang someone, and they run everytime they get scared, which is constantly!:aok
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: crockett on June 15, 2007, 02:11:07 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Blooz
The Yak9U out turns the LA7 easily.

Just turn to the right.


I agree I've been flying the Yak this tour and I find it's a pretty good plane. I think it easily out turns the LA 7. Lack of ammo doesn't bug me too much because I've also been training myself in the 262 this tour. So I've been getting used to lack of ammo.

as for LA7's I don't like them, not for the planes, but for the guys that fly them. I use a LA7 from time to time  in two situations.  1) when a base has a raid coming in and I need alt fast. 2) If I need to get somewhere fast like trying to save a Vbase or something I'll up a LA7.

The issue I see with the  LA7's is, it's a plane that tends to make people want to HO and run away. It doesn't turn that good IMO so a weak pilot tends to try for the HO's then run away to extend so they can try another HO.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SkyRock on June 15, 2007, 02:12:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Lusche
All in all, this thread encourages me to start flying the LA7 more often again. :aok

Well, it is good vor vulching ang ganghording, so you should feel right at home in one!  Whenever you feel like getting slapped around in any of your rides, let me know, we go DA a little!:aok
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SkyRock on June 15, 2007, 02:14:14 PM
Quote
Originally posted by crockett


The issue I see with the  LA7's is, it's a plane that tends to make people want to HO and run away. It doesn't turn that good IMO so a weak pilot tends to try for the HO's then run away to extend so they can try another HO.

So do the vets that fly them!  :rofl
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Husky01 on June 15, 2007, 02:14:49 PM
WOW!
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: dedalos on June 15, 2007, 02:15:40 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
Well, it is good vor vulching ang ganghording, so you should feel right at home in one!  Whenever you feel like getting slapped around in any of your rides, let me know, we go DA a little!:aok


SkyRock 200:<--------- pwns slapping
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Lusche on June 15, 2007, 02:16:47 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
Well, it is good vor vulching ang ganghording, so you should feel right at home in one!  


I certainly do. It was my first ride in this game and I used it almost exclusively for the first months, so it's still #2 in my all time "kills in" list. ;)
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SlapShot on June 15, 2007, 02:20:34 PM
It doesn't turn that good IMO so a weak pilot tends to try for the HO's then run away to extend so they can try another HO.

Wrong ... the La-7 turns very well ... it does alot of things well. In the hands of someone who knows what the La-7 can do ... it is an extremely deadly airplane.

But, as we all know, the majority of those that fly the La-7 don't fall into the category I described above ... hence it's an easy kill once they decide to stick around ... hence it's piss poor K/D ratio.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Bruv119 on June 15, 2007, 02:28:34 PM
"a poor workman blames his toolz"
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SlapShot on June 15, 2007, 02:30:09 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Lusche
I certainly do. It was my first ride in this game and I used it almost exclusively for the first months, so it's still #2 in my all time "kills in" list. ;)


I flew it almost exclusively from Tour 32 thru Tour 40 ... it was a blast. I think it's still my #1 killer too ... don't fly it much since then tho, but still love it when I do fly it.
Title: Re: Fly it.
Post by: storch on June 15, 2007, 02:37:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Stampf
Alot of actually good and valid points in this thead from both sides of the topic. I have the opposite affection for German planes than Falc does and fly them exclusively in Late War everynight.  Everybody plays differently, and always will.

There's: warwinners,landgrabbers,milkrunners,furballers,scoremongers,historytypesand  just plain old aviation freaks.  We have all kinds.  Who cares what the other guy is flying and why.  I'm a student stick at best and this tour I am currently at 115K to 12d and NONE of my rides made THE LIST.

The man makes the machine...Fight the man.  .
yup I guess so but you spend your time 10k above the fight and are a runner and a ganger.  please don't get all chest puffy as you are a timid player at best.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Stampf on June 15, 2007, 02:41:09 PM
:rofl  :rofl  :rofl

Crawl out from under for a bit today bud?  Good for you. :aok
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SkyRock on June 15, 2007, 03:21:09 PM
Quote
Originally posted by dedalos
SkyRock 200:<--------- pwns slapping
:D
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SkyRock on June 15, 2007, 03:32:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Lusche
I certainly do. It was my first ride in this game and I used it almost exclusively for the first months, so it's still #2 in my all time "kills in" list. ;)

Well, I guess if you never actually "fight" anyone, then you get good "kills" in any plane!   I've only seen you ingame a few times, and it is always vulching, or flying above a good furball cherrypicking.  Never have seen you actually fighting.  How's your overall rank this tour?  :rolleyes: :aok
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Lusche on June 15, 2007, 03:38:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
Well, I guess if you never actually "fight" anyone, then you get good "kills" in any plane!   I've only seen you ingame a few times, and it is always vulching, or flying above a good furball cherrypicking.  Never have seen you actually fighting.  How's your overall rank this tour?  :rolleyes: :aok


:rofl :rofl :rofl

Funny.. always people claiming not to care about rank start talking about it :)
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Bruv119 on June 15, 2007, 03:39:05 PM
Skyrock I saw Lusche "fighting" a friendly in his 109f only the other day.  He was all over the poor guy and I shot him right in the back with a sick snapshot he never saw it coming.


So yea he does fight people and yea he does get picked by the enemy.  I bet it doesnt happen often tho  ;)
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Lusche on June 15, 2007, 03:42:03 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Bruv119
Skyrock I saw Lusche "fighting" a friendly in his 109f only the other day.  He was all over the poor guy and I shot him right in the back with a sick snapshot he never saw it coming.
 


Yep, I got picked, but that's only the correct punishment for my utter lack of SA in that case. WTG Bruv! :aok
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Bruv119 on June 15, 2007, 03:44:12 PM
It was a  top drawer snapshot   m8  fired like  3 rounds from each cannon.

I must have been doing 400mph odd!!
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Atoon on June 15, 2007, 05:09:53 PM
Quote
Originally posted by BaldEagl
Hmm... didn't you say anybody who flew a "simp" plane was a "simp"?  Are we qualifying that now?  Sucking up because you were out-argued?  Changing your mind?  Ready for a retraction?


What I said was "when ya fly simp rides, yer a simp"  I retract nothing, nor did I suck up or change my mind. Its not an argument, it's a discussion:aok
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Atoon on June 15, 2007, 05:13:09 PM
Quote
Originally posted by dedalos
Tell you what.  You take a lala with its training wheels, I'll take a P40 and we will see how easy the lala is.

I guess the Yak you fly is a slow plane that does not turn well? :lol


anytime:cool:


The Yak is a very quick accelerating plane with good top speed, but not great top speed.  It does alot of things well &  1 thing great(roll).  Its not very stable when the fight gets real slow, and if you dont aim well you wont get more than 1-2 kills per loadout. Its been brought into full view for AH players many times, and the same reason its not popular always stands right out, Light ammo loadout.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SkyRock on June 15, 2007, 05:20:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Lusche
:rofl :rofl :rofl

Funny.. always people claiming not to care about rank start talking about it :)

After all that has gone on about rank, and how it makes most weenie out of their high chair and wabble on the floor to mommy to avoid a fight, you could say that the milkers of the rank system deserve a little confrontation every now and then!   Bruv, why don't you and Lusche come to the DA with me someday, and I will show you guys how to fly your birds correctly! :aok  
It will be all in fun, as to not ruffle Lusche's ego, but get ready to crash and burn alot!

Mark
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Fulmar on June 15, 2007, 05:40:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Bronk

The only thing keeping it from La7/spit XVI use in the arenas is lack of ammo.
Well that and ignorance of how good a plane it is.
 


It takes some folks quite a long time to figure out that shooting at 1k out doesnt land a kill.  300 rounds to these guys is like the first 5 seconds of combat.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Lusche on June 15, 2007, 05:51:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
 Bruv, why don't you and Lusche come to the DA with me someday, and I will show you guys how to fly your birds correctly! :aok  
It will be all in fun, as to not ruffle Lusche's ego, but get ready to crash and burn alot!

Mark


I leave my ego (if I have any at all) at the door each time I enter the arenas.
I hope that helps me avoiding to end as a taunting, delusional, name-calling, whining, play-the game-the-way-I-tell-you CH200 spammer.
Title: Completely Unenjoyable...
Post by: Speed55 on June 15, 2007, 06:38:30 PM
Is life without women.

The games still fun no matter how many hoing, newb, cheater dweebs there are out there.
Title: Re: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Spatula on June 15, 2007, 06:39:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Atoon
maybe it was just a bad night, but between the stench from the rotting corpse of these stale arse maps we are STILL forced to fly on, and the never ending sea of high la7s, often piloted by skilled sticks slumming in trainer rides stroking their pathetic egos-  I really didnt enjoy the game tonight. It seems to be an increasing trend, nothing but la7s-


It really is OK to not fly la7s & spit16 all the time, go ahead, have a lil confidence in yerself!  Try  somthing that doesnt have the pretty training wheels with spinners & the frilly tassels from the handlebars. Step outside the NORM! I remember when good pilots were ashamed to fly EZ mode planes. Some of us still are.

Perk rides are diff cause at least yer risking somthing, la7s are for noobs & simps. If you fly an la7, in my eyes yer either a noob or a simp-



:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
Title: Re: 3 words
Post by: bj229r on June 15, 2007, 06:41:49 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Eagler
EW, MW, AvA

I popped into MW last night, as Blue just got the reset, and Orange was full....was 3 Rooks, 31 Nits, mebbe 10 Bish. About 10 68's were in there taking a base from the afore-mentioned 3 Rooks. Nuff said
Title: Re: Re: 3 words
Post by: storch on June 15, 2007, 07:07:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by bj229r
I popped into MW last night, as Blue just got the reset, and Orange was full....was 3 Rooks, 31 Nits, mebbe 10 Bish. About 10 68's were in there taking a base from the afore-mentioned 3 Rooks. Nuff said
those are the best times to go in there.  you don't land but you get lots of kills as most of those types of players are almost helpless.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Husky01 on June 15, 2007, 07:08:51 PM
WOW
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: BaldEagl on June 16, 2007, 03:16:07 AM
Light ammo load in a Yak-9U?  We're talking fricken cannons here!  If you can't land 3-5 kills in a Yak-9U then you should be flying something else cause you're just a spray and pray guy.  BTW, the loadout's no worse (or better) than any of the Spits.

On to another topic, I've run into Lusche in the arenas twice that I recall and we're one and one.  Both times were down low in the middle of the fight and each of our kills came while the other wasn't aware.  From what I've seen he gets dirty and fights.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SkyRock on June 16, 2007, 03:23:57 AM
I only speak for the times I've run into him!  :aok


I guess he doesn't like to DA!
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Platano on June 16, 2007, 03:29:59 AM
+1
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Bronk on June 16, 2007, 04:37:54 AM
Quote
Originally posted by BaldEagl
Light ammo load in a Yak-9U?  We're talking fricken cannons here!  If you can't land 3-5 kills in a Yak-9U then you should be flying something else cause you're just a spray and pray guy.  BTW, the loadout's no worse (or better) than any of the Spits.
 

Are you on crack?:huh  The majority of spitfires have 2x the cannon ammo load.
Not to mention they're hizzookas.

Bronk
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: 68ZooM on June 16, 2007, 09:24:29 AM
Quote
Originally posted by hubsonfire
All those noobs and simps in low ENY planes are the bread and butter of kills every tour. If those people start flying lesser planes, they'll compensate by trying to maintain an even greater advantage in alt and numbers. There's quite enough of that already.

As long as they're willing to mix it up, who cares what they're in? I'd rather deal with some clown in an La who's hell-bent on shooting someone than a bunch of numpties in yaks loitering 5k above me and not confident enough to engage until they have a 5 to 1 advantage.

Ukno, you really need to lighten up man. Your posts read like Urchin's.


Man i can agree with that, i was flying a hvy b17 mission all alone to A19 tuesday, dropped there hangers was returning home and what do i see 6 to 7 Yaks about 4k above me,( i was at 16k) all taking turns in tearing my old 17s apart.

Needless to say i died,managed to ping a few, but with a 6 to 7 on 1 i knew my fate was sealed with no way to really protect myself (to many to shoot at)
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: BaldEagl on June 16, 2007, 11:03:42 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Bronk
Are you on crack?:huh  The majority of spitfires have 2x the cannon ammo load.
Not to mention they're hizzookas.

Bronk


Oops, your right.  I was in an alcohol induced haze when I typed that.

I do stand behind 3-5 kills in a Yak though.  Generally I can get one with ~20 rounds.  If their juking a lot or I'm in spray and pray mode myself it takes ~40 rounds.  That's 3-5.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SteveBailey on June 16, 2007, 11:05:09 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Atoon
anytime:cool:


The Yak is a very quick accelerating plane with good top speed, but not great top speed.   and the same reason its not popular always stands right out, Light ammo loadout.


I always thought it was that and it's short legs.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SkyRock on June 16, 2007, 11:12:40 AM
and it's sukage!:aok
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: bj229r on June 16, 2007, 11:14:16 AM
When I'm in a furball the main planes I try to keep an eye on are yaks, Lgheys, and K4's
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Platano on June 16, 2007, 02:29:03 PM
Quote
Originally posted by bj229r
When I'm in a furball the main planes I try to keep an eye on are yaks, Lgheys, and K4's


any particular reason? just curious.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Tiger on July 05, 2007, 11:39:37 PM
Think about heading to the EW arena... no LA-7's, P51D's etc etc to make you mad
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: DoLbY on July 06, 2007, 12:24:12 AM
True, LAs are very formible in furballs and sometimes just straight out will be annoying at times, however, I actually enjoy fighting them in my pony, regardless if I win or lose, it is still fun. Even now and then, I'll jump in a LA7 loaded with 3 guns and take the sky, if i get a few kills, cool, if not, still fun. I been flying offline alot (all i can do until hopefully by end of next week) and i been flying pretty much all the fighters; I just feel most comfortable in the 51D

:aok
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: WaRLoCkL on July 06, 2007, 06:14:59 AM
LOL cant agree with this post at all, I love seeying spits and LAs all over, there my easiest kills, and easiest reversals, u dont balive me check my stats and look at how many times i actually die by a spit or a la but i bet u they are my highest kills
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: 1Boner on July 06, 2007, 09:11:05 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Tiger
Think about heading to the EW arena... no LA-7's, P51D's etc etc to make you mad




Doesn,t matter which arena you go to.

Every arena will have its "uber" planes.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Bucky73 on July 06, 2007, 09:54:37 AM
90% of lala's in the MA are easy kills for my pony (and i suck). Falc and a few others will do it some justice but you have to admit though most are newbs...the ones that ask (squeak)"whats the fastest plane" (squeak)?

I haven't "flown" a LA for at least a year and a half so I couldn't tell you how it "handles" but I think I can tell you already that I would like the pony alot more.

Btw....I saw falc land kills in a pony last night (*sniff*).....sry brings a tear to my eyes. :(


:aok
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: dedalos on July 06, 2007, 10:13:54 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Bucky73
90% of lala's in the MA are easy kills for my pony (and i suck). Falc and a few others will do it some justice but you have to admit though most are newbs...the ones that ask (squeak)"whats the fastest plane" (squeak)?

I haven't "flown" a LA for at least a year and a half so I couldn't tell you how it "handles" but I think I can tell you already that I would like the pony alot more.

Btw....I saw falc land kills in a pony last night (*sniff*).....sry brings a tear to my eyes. :(


:aok


It handles pretty good.  Anything you can say about the LALA you can say about the D9, P51, Typhi, K4 etc.  It does handle better than those but the people you are talking about dont use it to turn so it really makes no difference if they are in a lala or not.

My rule is, if base ack is firing, out comes the lala down go the D9s and 51s buzing the field
Title: Re: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Ack-Ack on July 06, 2007, 12:38:40 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Atoon

It really is OK to not fly la7s & spit16 all the time....

Perk rides are diff cause at least yer risking somthing, la7s are for noobs & simps. If you fly an la7, in my eyes yer either a noob or a simp-



Who are you to tell anyone what plane is okay to fly or not?  If you were to spend less time caring what others flew and just enjoyed the game, you'd whine and cry less on the BBS.  The problem isn't the game, it's  you.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Re: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Bronk on July 06, 2007, 03:27:13 PM
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Who are you to tell anyone what plane is okay to fly or not?  If you were to spend less time caring what others flew and just enjoyed the game, you'd whine and cry less on the BBS.  The problem isn't the game, it's  you.


ack-ack


Quoted for truth.

Bronk
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: B3YT on July 06, 2007, 04:40:32 PM
LA's don't svare me , or spit XVI i fly the Spit Vb and IX mostly. Spit I aswell.  get them to fight your way and you owen them.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Vortex on July 06, 2007, 04:58:15 PM
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Originally posted by Lusche

Spit XVI and LA have only 11.9 % combined.


Er, only?

That's a pretty large percentage considering the number of available rides.

That said, one isn't going to change that. As long as there's been online games of any sort you will have a percentage that need a crutch to compete, and a percentage that want to make the experience more challenging. The prior drive the juiced up rides and the latter putter around in the early war stuff.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Lusche on July 06, 2007, 05:02:52 PM
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Originally posted by Vortex
Er, only?

That's a pretty large percentage considering the number of available rides.


"Only" considering all the claims "All you ever see are SpitXVI and La7's"

And there were and always will some planes getting top usage, and it has been MUCH worse in the past before perk system was introduced.

Edit: Fighters and bombers combined, we had last tour:

43 planes with a usage number of less than 1%
25 planes with a usage number between 1-2.9%
7 planes with a usage number between 3-6.6%
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Ack-Ack on July 06, 2007, 05:22:30 PM
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Originally posted by Vortex
The prior drive the juiced up rides and the latter putter around in the early war stuff.



Wrong.  It's simple minded thinking like that, that causes people such as Atoon to post whining threads.


ack-ack
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Vortex on July 06, 2007, 05:31:09 PM
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Wrong.  It's simple minded thinking like that, that causes people such as Atoon to post whining threads.


ack-ack


No, its quite correct.

Thanks for the input of verbal diarrhea though. Always good for a giggle.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: FALCONWING on July 07, 2007, 12:28:28 AM
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Originally posted by Bucky73
90% of lala's in the MA are easy kills for my pony (and i suck). Falc and a few others will do it some justice but you have to admit though most are newbs...the ones that ask (squeak)"whats the fastest plane" (squeak)?

I haven't "flown" a LA for at least a year and a half so I couldn't tell you how it "handles" but I think I can tell you already that I would like the pony alot more.

Btw....I saw falc land kills in a pony last night (*sniff*).....sry brings a tear to my eyes. :(


:aok


Good 51 pilots like bucky and skatsr and matrix have patience that i dont have...too fly it right you need some E and understand the flap system...and be a little balsy if you want to kill better turners...to kill a good 51 pilot you need to be okay with cutting your throttle so your speed wont work aginast you in a stall fight...

the LA7 turns better and has better guns then the 190s and 51s and is often faster in a given situation...i tried the la7 when i was "a newb" and didnt like it...any spit was a better furballer and more stable...but they couldnt catch 51s/190s and they didnt have the ammo to kill flights of buffs and keep going...so the la7 became a better choice for base defense...the funny thing is people dont whine about the la5 and it is only marginally slower and is a better turner then the la7...

:aok
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: DoLbY on July 07, 2007, 01:03:50 AM
I thought I was a decent Pony stick but apparently not, i wasn't even mentioned :eek:

(ah well, i'm easy to shoot down, for now :aok )
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: froger on July 07, 2007, 01:31:07 AM
>froger<--------flys Juggs
                                Ponys
                                P40 Es
 But always glad ta knock ya over in a Ldweeb 7
or a spixteen.

>S<


I'd fly a dang bananna phone if it had wings ....:aok
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Spatula on July 07, 2007, 03:02:15 AM
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Originally posted by DoLbY
I thought I was a decent Pony stick but apparently not, i wasn't even mentioned :eek:

(ah well, i'm easy to shoot down, for now :aok )


I remember ya from way back in AH1 Dolby... Yer, IIRC, you were a good fight when our ponies met :)
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: DoLbY on July 07, 2007, 03:16:55 AM
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Originally posted by Spatula
I remember ya from way back in AH1 Dolby... Yer, IIRC, you were a good fight when our ponies met :)



I remember those fights too, look forward to em again real soon <<(S)>>
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: AAolds on July 07, 2007, 03:30:29 AM
When I see an LA7, Niki, or Spixteen, I use the following tactics: HO, gang--i.e. call in pals, run thru ack or ram.  That's all they deserve, especially since my 190A8 has little chance of staying on their 6 long enough to even get a decent shot.
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: Bronk on July 07, 2007, 04:59:25 AM
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Originally posted by AAolds
When I see an LA7, Niki, or Spixteen, I use the following tactics: HO, gang--i.e. call in pals, run thru ack or ram.  That's all they deserve, especially since my 190A8 has little chance of staying on their 6 long enough to even get a decent shot.


Don't forget your negative g pushover into the land trout maneuver. :rolleyes:


Bronk
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: bj229r on July 07, 2007, 06:06:53 AM
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Originally posted by Platano
any particular reason? just curious.

Sorry Platano, never noticed your post. THOSE 3 planes, if Im under 3-5k and they get on me, I'm unable to do ANYthing with. K4 and Lghey BOTH faster than N, (Yak is close), both maneuver better (MAYbe not split S), and if I'm ALready low, diving out isnt an option
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: SlapShot on July 07, 2007, 09:48:10 AM
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Originally posted by Bronk
Don't forget your negative g pushover into the land trout maneuver. :rolleyes:


Bronk


 :rofl   :aok
Title: completely unenjoyable
Post by: HeavyH on July 07, 2007, 11:32:17 AM
See below...