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Squadron Forums => Squadrons => Topic started by: louman on June 15, 2007, 01:56:22 PM
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Major........You interest me! Funny you should mention physics. If you are interested I can direct you to a web site that explains a lot about physics and God and creation. Someone I respect has just turned the world of physics upside down...in relation to gravity...."the big bang theory" and creation! I'm sure you would be interested in his web page. Lou
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I'm interested louman. Can you PM me with the site. Thank You
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i want a post that says "MegaDud answer"
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Just post something contrary to St. Lou's beliefs, dud.
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Yay, religious trolling!
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sounds cool lou :)
i always find there's more to spirituality and philosophy if it's truely explored ;)
pretty crazy deep stuff, but i read a book about wormholes time machines and spacetime that came out about a year ago. had some really cool bits about 4 dimensional quatum physics and stuff :) wasn't too hard to read either. it's quite funny how philosophy isn't a straight line, with two sides, but a line that goes full circle. some of the science goes so far off the line that it becomes philosophical, and religion so far that it becomes scientific :)
yeah, no, i would love to see that site, sounds interesting. what precisely is it about?
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Originally posted by scottydawg
Yay, religious trolling!
:noid :noid :noid
the finest trolling there is!
intardnet trolling is for silly middle aged men with nothing better to do. religious trolling is the fine art of the elite extremist! :D
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Do dogs go to heaven?
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The web site is FHU.com. "The Foundation of Human Understanding" The founder of the site's name is Roy Masters. Recently at a meeting of a large organization of physicists he gave a short talk on the origin of the universe......he was able to question the so called "big bang theory" and disprove it by new thought and study on the subject. Before the talk he was thought to be someone interesting but not someone to be taken seriously. After the talk he was approached by many for a copy of his paper on the subject. It all was based on what gravity is. A very interesting subject. He has written a book....one of many....but this one is called "Finding God in Physics" It is downloadable at this site FREE. I would suggest that you and all interested check this site out. You will find it very interesting if you are a searching person. Lou
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looks cool :) DL'ing it now.
from what it briefly looks at, it seems interesting. just to clarify, i'm a christian as such, quite spiritual and religious, but don't 'like' to allign myself alongside a lot of people who claim to be christians, but aren't really, or claim to be holy and follow the bible, despite the fact that they almost epitomise everything that jesus stood against.
there are of course genuine christians who really know what it's all about, but unfortunately not enough :)
anywho, the matter at hand.
i personally believe in the big bang. it ticks all the boxes and is a good theory supported by good evidence. we don't truely understand it (but the CERN experiments will be VERY interesting), but, that's like a lot of science. there are questions we will never know the answer to, and personally i like it like that. how boring would it be if all there was to creation was god and some clay? pretty boring is what :) god is too complex to do something the simple easy way, he likes to do it the awesome way :D who could possibly be more of an enigma than 'the dude'? for some reason though, many religious people fear the big bang???
to me, nothing is more proving of a creator than the big bang. an infinite amount of energy in an infinitely small explosion, that creates an almost infinitely large and amazing universe, with laws, and weird features that don't obey the laws!... :) that to me is cooler than god making the earth in 6 days, instead he took billions of years and created the entire, awesome universe. that's something he would do, go over the top, just for the fun, isn't it? :)
taking the creation story literally is a bit silly. if you've ever really experienced what god is like, you'll know that he has a warped perception of time. he does things by his own schedule, not ours, and i certainly don't think that when the bible says roughly 6000 years, that that is what god really means to say ;) think about it :)
another topic for discussion is evolution, always a good one, but we'll get to that in time :)
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hmmm, reading the part about speed of light was interesting, although i think he's not quite got it.
basically, the faster you go, your momentum rapidly increases, far to fast for it to be related to speed, something else is effecting it. personally, i think it goes right back to basic quantum mechanics, like the momentum of electromagnetic waves (which have no mass, but somehow have momentum). spacetime is somehow effecting the momentum, which i reckon changes the way the universe reacts to the object. unfortunately, i'm no einstein or hawking, so most of that i have no idea how to solve.
i have figured out though, that it IS possible to travel at exactly the speed of light, if you had an immensly powerful engine. travelling through spacetime appears to effect the object's mass, so you need more energy to increase the speed (because of the momentum factor). if you have loads of energy you can get to the speed of light, but once there nothing can stop you, because at the speed of light you become infinitely heavy, so you cannot change your momentum.
always funny looking at light. photons act like waves and particles, have no mass, but have momentum, and once they've been slowed down (travelling through glass or something) they speed back up...
they're also effected by gravity (which alters spacetime). so therefore, light must have a huge connection with spacetime that we're missing, perhaps light is even powered by spacetime. also, don't forget that a photon can theoretically go wherever it likes without having to travel, as it can just quantum leap.
would like to read on further but don't have time, it's late here in the UK, i'm off to bed :)
post something good for me to reply to in the morning, i always enjoy discussing this :)
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I believe in the Little Bang.
Seriously, though.
Anyone who will dismiss the Big Bang theory out of hand simply by reading some copy on a website never WANTED to believe it, and definitely does not have the acumen to be able to understand it.
There's a cool place for people who aren't interested in science, the scientific method or scientific theories. It's in Kentucky, I think, just opened up. (http://www.creationmuseum.org)
Me, I have no problem squaring the scientific theories regarding the origin and age of the universe with my faith.
Don't pretend you have an open mind if you're saying one website written by some guy has definitively disproven the Big Bang Theory. That's just silly, mate.
Edit: Just looked at the website. Whooo, boy. A quote by P.T. Barnum comes to mind.
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I have never believed the big bang theory.....and as it states..... it is a theory....never has been proven! Roy Masters is the 1st person to come up with an alternate view in all of this time in a scientific way. He approches religion that way also. From a differn't perspective....not using a lot of religious terms that people have been turned off by. Jesus it may supprise you was not caught up with religion nor was he a scholar. Meaning he was not a scribe or pharisee.....saducee. He knew the scripture but didn't walk around quoteing it all of the time. He kept the law....fulfilled it even.....but didn't follow it religiously...verse and chapter....traditionally. When someone asked him a question he knew how to get to the root of the problem and speak truthfully. He did this by intuition. If something is right you can see it if your a seeking and intuitive person.....you may not be able to explain it in scientific terms....you just know it is the truth. Jesus said "you must become like children" ponder on what he ment by that.....it has deep meaning.
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Shouldn't this be in the O'Club.
Notice no question mark.
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Originally posted by louman
I have never believed the big bang theory.....and as it states..... it is a theory....never has been proven!
And its been proven that there is a god? All of this because some people wanted an all Christian squad.
Heres what I think. There is no reason for you to make your squad only open to Christians. I can see you wanting someone from the same country so you all can fly together but not the same religion. To me thats like making a sqaud and saying "whites only". Theres no need to discrimante/segregate people because of there race or religion. Just because its a game it doesnt make it right.
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Originally posted by louman
I have never believed the big bang theory.....and as it states..... it is a theory....never has been proven! Roy Masters is the 1st person to come up with an alternate view in all of this time in a scientific way. He approches religion that way also. From a differn't perspective....not using a lot of religious terms that people have been turned off by. Jesus it may supprise you was not caught up with religion nor was he a scholar. Meaning he was not a scribe or pharisee.....saducee. He knew the scripture but didn't walk around quoteing it all of the time. He kept the law....fulfilled it even.....but didn't follow it religiously...verse and chapter....traditionally. When someone asked him a question he knew how to get to the root of the problem and speak truthfully. He did this by intuition. If something is right you can see it if your a seeking and intuitive person.....you may not be able to explain it in scientific terms....you just know it is the truth. Jesus said "you must become like children" ponder on what he ment by that.....it has deep meaning.
yes, and that's EXACTLY why IMHO a lot of christianity has lost all meaning. don't get me wrong, i *am* a christian, i just believe the the term christian spreads over a lot of stuff, from rastafarianism to that weirdo baptist church on TV with their 'god hates studmuffins, god hates you, god hates everyone except us' banners. that's another thing i find stupid, christian right's treatment of gays. it says in the bible that being gay is a sin, along with pretty much everything. it's impossible to live a life without sin, totally impossible, and that's exactly why god sent jesus, to die for sin, so that all are forgiven. the bible doesn't even put being gay very high up on the list of sins, yet people believe that god will forgive anyone of anything, including murder etc, yet at the same time they believe that god hates gays.
there's only one word for that, idiocy.
i'm shocked at what's done 'in the name of god' and i'm sure he is too :lol
but the big bang. why religious people fear i have absolutely no clue. for the big bang to have occured, it had to come from a singularity, a singularity that came from nowhere, and i think you'd be hard-pressed to find a more reasonable explanation than god. where else are you gonna get an infinitely small infinitely hot explosion out of nowhere?
no need to be scared of it because it isn't mentioned in the bible. god didn't write the bible, people did, and people can be wrong. these people of course will have gained inspiration from god, but what he created is so far beyond them back then that they couldn't comprehend it, so let them come up with their own stories.
wouldn't it be boring if god told us exactly how everything was created, and how it all works? where would the fun be in science. life isn't a prison, it's an adventure, and to have an adventure you gotta have some fun along the way. god could *prove* everything in an instant if he wanted to, but he wants us to have some fun trying to figure it out, is the way i see it.
as for jesus saying, be like children, yes, it's a great line, with a lot of connotations. one one hand, children are blind in faith, and believe whatever they're told, and will always trust their parents (in our case god) to look after them. children are also rebellious however, and have great imaginations, and that's also what god wants us to do, use our minds and hearts to challenge what we believe, to explore our faith.
why is it you disagree with the big bang theory then btw? you think it conflicts with the bible? it is a theory of course, but so is pretty much ALL of science, most theories are just very credible and likely, and the big bang has a lot of evidence backing it up.
i'd love to read that paper though, i need to get the book, the ebook is a right PITA ;)
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Originally posted by Larry
And its been proven that there is a god? All of this because some people wanted an all Christian squad.
Heres what I think. There is no reason for you to make your squad only open to Christians. I can see you wanting someone from the same country so you all can fly together but not the same religion. To me thats like making a sqaud and saying "whites only". Theres no need to discrimante/segregate people because of there race or religion. Just because its a game it doesnt make it right.
i think the original idea of that post wasn't about segregating, but advertising for christians who would like to fly with a christian squad. i doubt they'd turn someone away because they weren't christian, nothing like that was said, it was purely saying, if you're looking for a christian squad, then our squad is full of christians, we talk about god stuff, we have discussions like this one etc, advertising themselves as a religious squad for anyone that wanted to join.
this is an old thread btw (years old). someone punted it and them people started being weird, and i don't think louman had anything to do with the original post.
what you been up to btw TK? my exams are over in a few weeks, then i'm off to amsterdam to celebrate, but when i get back i'm gonna school yo honky prettythang! :D
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Originally posted by Xargos
Shouldn't this be in the O'Club.
Notice no question mark.
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it's nice in here though, you don't get loads of people jumping in, you can have a small detailed conversation instead of a long rushed one.
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
but when i get back i'm gonna school yo honky prettythang! :D
Pff you wish.:p
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
the finest trolling there is!
intardnet trolling is for silly middle aged men with nothing better to do. religious trolling is the fine art of the elite extremist! :D
Well said. :D :aok
Skawtydawg Do dogs go to heaven?
In two words; You bet
At least I believe mine to be across what is called the Rainbow Bridge chasing whatever, and sniffing up a storm until the wife and I get there to blaze new trails together.
Native American's, and other races have religions promoting the Spirit World of animals and man coinciding in harmony. *shrugs* Who are we to say there is not?
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ok...lot of ground to cover....first of all on the old subject of a christian squad.....a revolution was fought many years ago against the British I might add.....to achieve.....religeous, and personal freedom. Many religious groups came to this new world to be able to worship God in freedom and not be persecuted for their beliefs. Make no mistake about it europe is not as free as america...and america is not as free as it once was. The battle for freedom of religion and speech goes on as we discuss all of this now. God....does not hate any group or any one person. God at this place in time does not judge anyone or any group. People who like to play god are the ones doing all of the judging. We are in these bodys to live our lives how ever we choose.... for a time. But that does not dismiss that there is a right and a wrong, good and evil. Children are bright little people and know more the day they are born than most adults. Because adults have fallen into sin. Children are not innocent ...they are born in sin....still they are bright in the beginning. Society later turns them into cannabals or gays or englishmen. LOL...gotta keep this light. My friends we have not evolved from the apes.....we have devolved from a higher realm. The god that loves you just as you are is the god of this world....and the God who says you must change and become AS children....is the one and only true God. Not children but child like in that we must regain our bright nature...stop the excuses and lies and change. I personally don't care if you all go to hell if thats how your soul is inclined.....but if you want to know the truth......It can be found.
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Why to people try to push others into what they think is right? I dont believe in god, the devil, heaven, hell, ect. I live like this is the only life I get, and untill there is proof that there is a higher life form that is how I will continue to live. All religions say is live like I do (the right way) or burn in hell. God may not hate groups of people but people that believe in god do, and some kill in the name of him. Most of the worlds wars and horrific crimes and atrocities are done by people saying they are doing gods work.
The day we all stop hating others and just accept how people live THIER life the world will be a better place. I was raised as a jehovah's witness. When I got older I realized that most religions breed hate. I dont judge people because that is wrong. I dont care about your skin color, religion, or sexual preference. As long as you havnt done anything wrong I dont care how you live because that is none of my business.
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There's a reason people fed christians to the lions, and it's not because they were smart.
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Originally posted by Larry
Why to people try to push others into what they think is right? I dont believe in god, the devil, heaven, hell, ect. I live like this is the only life I get, and untill there is proof that there is a higher life form that is how I will continue to live. All religions say is live like I do (the right way) or burn in hell. God may not hate groups of people but people that believe in god do, and some kill in the name of him. Most of the worlds wars and horrific crimes and atrocities are done by people saying they are doing gods work.
The day we all stop hating others and just accept how people live THIER life the world will be a better place. I was raised as a jehovah's witness. When I got older I realized that most religions breed hate. I dont judge people because that is wrong. I dont care about your skin color, religion, or sexual preference. As long as you havnt done anything wrong I dont care how you live because that is none of my business.
yeah agreed.
almost all religions are corrupt in some way or area. that's why i hate the religious stigma. like i said religions are created by men to control other men, god has nothing to do with any of them.
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Larry......if you live your life for the here and now you are kidding yourself. Animals for instance have no spirit....they live their short lives here doing what they do by instinct. Human beings on the other hand have a spirit. You said you didn't care what people believed or did as long as it wasn't wrong.......who defines what is wrong. I submit that it is your conscience that allows you to see what is wrong. You have a body...spirit....and a conscience......I can understand you being turned off by organized religion....esp coming out of the jehovahs witnisses.......but that does not mean there is not a God! People and the evil force that is in this world that controls them have used religion to harm many. Remember.....evil comes to you in every form......even the form of orginized religion....but you don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
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well said lou
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You do if it's a make believe baby.
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who made god..
http://www.myspace.com/godlygospels
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Wrong... *buzzer sound*
Originally posted by louman
... Animals for instance have no spirit....they live their short lives here doing what they do by instinct.
Wrong...
...but your opinion is yours, yet since nobody has actually captured a Spirit, nor dfined or impyrically identified the spirit, who am I to argue other than...
Native American's, and other races have religions promoting the Spirit World of animals and man coinciding in harmony. *shrugs* So who are we to say there is not?
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You really cant talk to him odee he thinks he is all knowing and everything we say is the work of the devil.
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Originally posted by Larry
You really cant talk to him odee he thinks he is all knowing and everything we say is the work of the devil.
I understand that's the problem with some Jehova Witnesses... :lol
No worries... I judge a person on there merit... not skin color, religious faction, or any of the numerous politically correct criteria that muddles daily interfacing with the multi-dudes. :rofl
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TK you're arguing with what I equate to a religious finatic. There is no reasoning with him. He is a big problem with the world today. Be it christian or muslim, people like him either cannot or will not reconize that they might not be right and won't except anybody elses beliefs as plausible.
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I believe in having foot up yer butt. That's what this game is all about. For me to kick and for louman to provide butt I can kick. So far no god's interference; louman's butt hurts and that's proof god doesn't want to get involved in this game.
Amen...
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:lol
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THE BIBLE AND BIG BANG WORK TOGETHER.
belive it or not they do . 7 literal days?? nope the the word translated "days" from hebrew could mean an unspecified length of time for a task. EG the making of stars took a day as it was the length of time it took to make them . be that millions of years or thousands of millions of years.
another example the bible often says in the days of (insert name) .......
how many days was that??? what "day" did those things occure?
sciance and the bible can work together. Geolagists and Botanists agree that the way creation is explained is in the order that they would have happenned in a simplified way.
my pennies worth.
p.s where did god get matter from to form the universe .......big bang.....
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Interesting thread I have run across here..And while I do not have much to say at this point I will try and keep it relatively short,but no promises.;)
I think as far as Jesus/God is concerned,it is about our relationship with him and not religion.We have all at some time met someone whom we would call a religious fanatic,someone who says we have to STRIVE to get into God's good graces,Work our way into heaven.These religious fanatics I say are full of pride and just want to have the ability to say "I WORKED HARDEST"..They remind me of the parable which Jesus spoke of where some workers were hired to work a field at 7 am for 1 penny,then he hired more about 4 hours later and paid them the same wage,1 Penny.What do you think the ones who were hird at 7 am said? "WE WORKED ALL DAY,AND YOU PAID US THE SAME AS THOSE WHO YOU HIRED LATER"..What I am trying to get at is it is about relationship with God through Christ..
Jesus is the way,the truth and the life.It is written in the bible,when Jesus was born,Peace on earth,and goodwill torwards men..This was quite a statement..It means that through Christ we have peace with God,and he only has goodwill torward all of us..Even those who have not accepted his son as the only way..It was not,contrary to popular belief,a call for all men to have this torwards each other.as that came later when the Jesus stated that the greatest commandment was to Love God with all of our heart mind and soul,and the other is like unto it,to love our fellow man as ourselves.On these 2 commandments which Jesus spoke of lay all the law of the prophets..
I am not saying that anyone here is denying these things which I speak,nor agreeing with them..And I do not have a handle at all on how great and glorious God is to us,nor have I even scratched in my lifetime so far,a sliver of just how good God is..All I know is that God is GOOD:aok
And he is not using us as whipping boys when we do something wrong,But he will discipline us in such a way as to increase our faith and to keep us looking torwards him.Just as we discipline our children,we do it in love,so does he.
Are their churches out there who mess up?? You better believe it.But why?Because humans are fallible.I am fallible,you are fallible.We all mess up,we all make mistakes.
I cannot convince those of you who do not believe in God that their is one,but I can only go by the example I see in Christ through the bible and through the Holy Spirit as he leads me.I can give you the word,but that does not mean you will take it.will it stop me from speaking it? no.,but some seeds may get into your heart,or for that matter,even my heart as I speak it as well.
Will believing in evolution send you to hell? no.
Will believeing that the world is millions of years old sen you to hell? no.
Will believing in God get you to heaven? no.
Will accepting Jesus christ as saviour get you to heaven? yes.
accepting Christ Jesus will save you...Save you from what? God's wrath..
God does not send people to hell,they make the choice to go there by not accepting Christ as saviour and repenting of their sins.
All it takes is a little faith to accept him..you want to read aabout some of those who needed faith the most?? Read about the disciples who followed christ around when he was here on the earth,talk about people needing faith..it is pretty funny.But it is common to all men.
my apologies for the long post..
Peace and Plenty,
Kevin
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
I believe in having foot up yer butt. That's what this game is all about. For me to kick and for louman to provide butt I can kick. So far no god's interference; louman's butt hurts and that's proof god doesn't want to get involved in this game.
Amen...
:rofl :rofl :rofl
LOL
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Falcon23......you say accepting Jesus Christ as your savior will save you. I submit that most so called Christians and the church ministers that they listen to don't have a clue as to what that means. Intellectually accepting Jesus won't save you. The fact is....most Christians are not really Christians...nor are they saved. Your not dealing with just people in this thing but spiritual forces that are much more intelligent than any normal human being. People think they are free....but if they don't choose God they come under the control of the other guy. If your not a servant of God you are a slave to satan. We are all forgiven.....we are not all saved. I'm not here to tell you that I am saved myself....that is something that I am looking at. Salvation is free my friends....but not easy to find. God does not make you obey Him....but you cannot make Him save you....salvation is a gift....but there is a requirement....you might even know that requirement intellectually....but can you see it deeply ...and seeing it can you do it. That is very hard my friends....and you are given a whole lifetime here on earth to work that out.
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Originally posted by louman
Falcon23......you say accepting Jesus Christ as your savior will save you. I submit that most so called Christians and the church ministers that they listen to don't have a clue as to what that means. Intellectually accepting Jesus won't save you. The fact is....most Christians are not really Christians...nor are they saved. Your not dealing with just people in this thing but spiritual forces that are much more intelligent than any normal human being. People think they are free....but if they don't choose God they come under the control of the other guy. If your not a servant of God you are a slave to satan. We are all forgiven.....we are not all saved. I'm not here to tell you that I am saved myself....that is something that I am looking at. Salvation is free my friends....but not easy to find. God does not make you obey Him....but you cannot make Him save you....salvation is a gift....but there is a requirement....you might even know that requirement intellectually....but can you see it deeply ...and seeing it can you do it. That is very hard my friends....and you are given a whole lifetime here on earth to work that out.
Your submission has been duly noted and filed.But what facts do you present to back up that statement that most churches and preachers know nothing of salvation,I see none.
I agree that intellectualy accepting Jesus Christ is not enough,*see believeing in God will not save you in my original post*.
We are only forgiven if we accept Jesus christ as Lord and saviour of our lives.
I did not at any time say that we are all saved,if that is directed at me.
I disagree with your statement that salvation is not easy to find..Jesus is always knocking at the door,and if we choose to accept him he will come in to our hearts.
Salvation is a gift,yes,but When you give a gift to someone in your family do you hide it and make it difficult for them to accept.I mean we dont make them jump through hoops and juggle to get it,we bring it to them.
As far as seeing it "deeply".I did not "SEE" deeply Jesus and what he had done for me on the cross,or what the shedding of his blood accomplished on the cross.
But by FAITH I accepted him,and by mouth I confessed and asked him to come into my life and heart and forgive me of my sins,and be Lord of my life.
Do I always obey as I should?no,but do any christians?no.We all make mistakes.But he is quick to forgive us of them if we confess them and repent.
Thank God that he is long-suffering and has mercy beyond our wildest imagination,And Love,this is just to name a few of his traits.
I am not sure what you mean when you say we can see it,but can we do it..Do what?
I get a bit concerned when I start seeing people saying it is not easy to accept Christ,or,we have to work at it,or we have to search to find it..
It can only be accepted by FAITH.Although I totally understand some wanting to intellectualize it and look at it from a scientific point of view.Some who look at it this way,do come to accept Christ,and some dont.
I will say that when one becomes a christian it is one of the hardest battles which you will ever fight in your life.trials,temptations,the world trying to pull you back into it..But if we keep looking to Jesus and praying,and seeking others who are christians as well,and reading the bible,we grow stronger in faith and learn to be at peace in the world,but not be of the world.And trust that God is with us ALWAYS.
I may be wrong,and pardon me if I am..But do you by chance go to a church whos sign on the outside reads Church Of Christ?
My denomination is bapticostal holiness presbytarian.
:aok
I thank you for your reply..
Kevin
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Falcon23.....I have been a member of different congregations and visited other congregations. People from my observation hear the word and seem to have good intentions but then they convert to a minister with a strong personality. They end up worshiping the minister and following him. The minister for his part thinks he is winning souls for Christ but then finds that he has to be careful with what he says least he loose his job. People in congregations of this era are loved just the way they are. I say that God does not love you just the way you are but the other guy does. So called Christians are dieing from cancer and suffering all kinds of disorders....this should not be! Also, so called Christians justify their sins by saying you cannot be perfect....they say "God forgives me by the blood of Christ and I do the best I can" I say people can follow any religion and say that. Is not religion all about being moral? But being moral and doing your best cannot save you. Yes, I repeat....we are all forgiven....but not all saved. From God's perspective salvation is very very easy! It is only from the human perspective that it is very very hard. Hard....because we make it hard. Because we do not want to "see" the truth...we are decieved away from it. You said you "accepted Christ and he came into your heart" do you still sin? Do you get angry at your wife...kick the dog...yell at your kids. Shake your fist at people who cut you off on the highway. Has your life really changed or just gotten a little better. Are you a better person or do you just look like a better person. Is Jesus God....or is he the son of God. Did he posess the power....or did the power of God come through him. I make this statement now....if you are saved you "know" you are saved....and your life changes completely...and in the process you become perfect....as the scripture says...be ye perfect...(it's a command) as your father in heaven is perfect!
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The Bible also says something about boasting.
Just a heads up, This should be IN the O'Club. They may kick it.
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great answer there rat....a personal judgement and a warning