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Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: Tiger on June 19, 2007, 05:22:39 PM
I would love to be able to have a formation of SBD's or TBM's.  

AS it is now, you can up an F4C or D and carry more hitting power than upping any of the carrier based bombers.  Enabling formations would make the bombers a more viable option.
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: whiteman on June 19, 2007, 05:56:28 PM
would be a nice way to spend some perkies
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: Lusche on June 19, 2007, 06:05:04 PM
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Originally posted by whiteman
would be a nice way to spend some perkies


Why in the world you would perk a formation of B5N or TBMs?
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: whiteman on June 19, 2007, 06:21:29 PM
because i have nothing else to spend them on
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: EagleDNY on June 19, 2007, 06:30:23 PM
I think the problem there is that unless you are level bombing in a TBM or a B5N, you would just lose the drones the minute you started your dive bombing run.
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: Lusche on June 19, 2007, 06:35:53 PM
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Originally posted by whiteman
because i have nothing else to spend them on

throwing them away is no solution at all - And you can already use Ar234 to waste them ;)
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: whiteman on June 19, 2007, 06:38:36 PM
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Originally posted by Lusche
throwing them away is no solution at all - And you can already use Ar234 to waste them ;)


whats wrong with a new way to waste them :D , or could ask for the B-29 :noid

EagleDNY your probably right.
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: Bosco123 on June 19, 2007, 06:39:43 PM
well I have this idea that we could use that Vultee Vengence as a formation bomber of the carrier
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: PanzerIV on June 19, 2007, 08:02:40 PM
If you wanna dive-bomb using a naval plane use a SBD or Val, anyways. Its not very smart to dive-bomb when you can use a bomb-sight instead on the TBM and B5N, i do agree that formations would be helpful.
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: tedrbr on June 19, 2007, 09:07:27 PM
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Originally posted by Lusche
throwing them away is no solution at all - And you can already use Ar234 to waste them ;)



There may be reasons why the Arado is the least flown plane in the plane set.
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: Lusche on June 19, 2007, 09:22:43 PM
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Originally posted by tedrbr
There may be reasons why the Arado is the least flown plane in the plane set.


I doubt it's the least flown. I see a lot more Arados than SBD's or P40B's.
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: Ghosth on June 20, 2007, 07:37:15 AM
Well it was never said or posted on the boards that I know of. However I think HT had problems trying to take a formation of Carrier planes off the short deck.

Or I could be all wet and he just decided that carrier birds didn't need formations.
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: Spikes on June 20, 2007, 09:53:11 AM
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Originally posted by Lusche
I doubt it's the least flown. I see a lot more Arados than SBD's or P40B's.


234's my new Fav ride...I fly it 4 times 1 day on average.
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: Spikes on June 20, 2007, 09:54:20 AM
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Well it was never said or posted on the boards that I know of. However I think HT had problems trying to take a formation of Carrier planes off the short deck.

Or I could be all wet and he just decided that carrier birds didn't need formations.


yeah...go into offline and enable say a KI67 on a CV...the drones are floating off the deck.
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: tedrbr on June 20, 2007, 12:26:38 PM
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Originally posted by Lusche
I doubt it's the least flown. I see a lot more Arados than SBD's or P40B's.


Well, we only have kill and death numbers to work with from database HTC let's us see, not "use" or "takeoffs", but P-40B probably sees use in EW, and the SBD's sees some similar use in CV operations (SBD's accounted for around 400 kills in May, Arado just over 200).  When comparing it's numbers based on deaths and kills, it comes in dead last: but even allowing for Arados that hit target and RTB, it's usage is still down with the Val, Kate, SBD, Bf 109E-4, and C.202.

The Arado is by no means a bomber perk sink.  Personally, I'll use Ki-67's over a Arado.

OTOH, enabling CV bomber formations *may* increase their use in CV operations, over the use of F4U-D's in Jabo role all the time.  A small perk price might be in order, but it still would not be any sort of perk sink to use up points, and I don't know if the code will allow a free prime ride and perked drones.

We might see more SBD's, TBM's, Vals, and Kates.  Even if you lose the drones in a bad dive bombing effort, you've got two extra chances of just getting there in the first place, plus a few extra tail guns.

Overall, I think enabling buff formations from CV's would be a good idea.
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: Lusche on June 20, 2007, 12:52:30 PM
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Well, we only have kill and death numbers to work with from database HTC let's us see, not "use" or "takeoffs", but P-40B probably sees use in EW, and the SBD's sees some similar use in CV operations (SBD's accounted for around 400 kills in May, Arado just over 200).  When comparing it's numbers based on deaths and kills, it comes in dead last: but even allowing for Arados that hit target and RTB, it's usage is still down with the Val, Kate, SBD, Bf 109E-4, and C.202.


Even in EW, a P40B is an exceptional rare sight. If you encounter a P40 there, its a E model (and even that is quite rare compared to HurriC, 109F, SpitV.


I think the kills/deaths stats work fine for all planes but the Arado 234. It's simply a plane that rarely kills and, thanks to it's performance envelope, is rarely killed. I would say the overwhelming majority of Arado's return to base without leaving a trace on the killstats page.

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Originally posted by tedrbr
The Arado is by no means a bomber perk sink. Personally, I'll use Ki-67's over a Arado.


Same here. I used the 234 a lot for porking troops, back in the old days before the numbers of  barracks on fields were increased. But now I rely on the Ki for pork runs.
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: MstWntd on June 20, 2007, 02:07:07 PM
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Originally posted by tedrbr

Overall, I think enabling buff formations from CV's would be a good idea.


and have them be floating off the deck?
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: PanzerIV on June 21, 2007, 02:07:13 AM
Did you say Arado ONLY had 200 kills? Uh.....for a plane with no rear visual and the guns mounted in the tail, thats alot! Usually smart people dont even take the gu ns, they are virtually useless!
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: E25280 on June 21, 2007, 11:05:43 AM
I believe the reason CV bombers do not have formations is their historic use.  IIRC, CV bombers flew in much the same way as CV fighters, i.e. with a wingman, and in relatively small numbers, perhaps a squadron or two grouped together.

On the other hand, land-based bombers flew in MUCH larger numbers (1000 bomber missions, anyone?) and flew in a "box" formation, which is what I believe the three bomber set represents.

So, no, I do not agree that CV-based single-engined bombers should have the formation option that the land-based multi-engined bombers currently enjoy.
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: FiLtH on June 21, 2007, 03:44:52 PM
I would be nice to see formations for CV planes and instead of the
3 plane vic, maybe a line astern type, or abreast..whatever its called when its slanted off the lead left or right.
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: OdinGrunherze on June 21, 2007, 04:45:21 PM
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I would be nice to see formations for CV planes and instead of the
3 plane vic, maybe a line astern type, or abreast..whatever its called when its slanted off the lead left or right.


Its called Echelon Left/Right

SBD's would stay together to maximize defense, and peel off into line astern during the diving attack... Coming down in a "train" to drop their bombs... I think it would be workable, and very cool...

Formation select would be very useful at times...

OG
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: WMDnow on June 22, 2007, 01:23:07 PM
Thats what I was thinking, train style instead of left/right.  I support this idea!

-WMD
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: MstWntd on June 22, 2007, 01:28:35 PM
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Originally posted by PanzerIV
Did you say Arado ONLY had 200 kills? Uh.....for a plane with no rear visual and the guns mounted in the tail, thats alot! Usually smart people dont even take the gu ns, they are virtually useless!


I've shot more planes down with those guns than targets hit with the bombs...
Title: CV Bomber Formations
Post by: AAolds on June 23, 2007, 02:24:02 PM
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Originally posted by Lusche
throwing them away is no solution at all - And you can already use Ar234 to waste them ;)


I would love to beable to up a form of TBMs, SBDs, or other carrier based bombers!  If the Ar234 could spawn from the CV, I would certainly try it.   As for wasting perks, the only good perks are fighter perks anymore, I cherish those and have few, my GV n Bomber perks.... I could really care less and I have plenty.  Go figure.