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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on June 20, 2007, 04:57:38 PM
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8PSKSDO0&show_article=1
Didn't expect this from a city that boasts, "This is a city with a heart and with a soul. Cosmopolitan, yet unpretentious. Thriving cultural scene and vibrant nightlife. High-tech, low-key. Big city, college town. Quirky and far from ordinary, it's the kind of place where you check your worries at the city limits sign, trade in suits for something a bit more casual and prepare for experiences you'll find only in Austin."
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Milwaukee has a problem too, on "Juneteenth" day.
http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/8092297.html
Take a guess on the common denominator(s) these two "events" had...?
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Nothing to do with this, just druken college students.
Austin may be weird but 6th st should have a cage around it and gloves handed to every college student entering. I see atleast 3 fights every time i'm down there. makes for good entertainment watching 21 yro punks get tasered while drinking frosty beverages.
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Suprised to hear that happened in Austin of all places.
I almost bought a condo the end of last year in downtown Austin right across from Town Lake. I still kick myself for not doing it, seems like a great place to live. (other than something stupid like tthat happening)
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Originally posted by Sandman
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8PSKSDO0&show_article=1
Didn't expect this from a city that boasts, "This is a city with a heart and with a soul. Cosmopolitan, yet unpretentious. Thriving cultural scene and vibrant nightlife. High-tech, low-key. Big city, college town. Quirky and far from ordinary, it's the kind of place where you check your worries at the city limits sign, trade in suits for something a bit more casual and prepare for experiences you'll find only in Austin."
Wow. To stereotype an entire state from one incident. WTG lib! Where's your diversity mantra??!!
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stupid/unbelievable stuff happens every where, just give it time.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Wow. To stereotype an entire state from one incident. WTG lib! Where's your diversity mantra??!!
YHBT. :D
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:rofl I sat here thinking to myself, I bet I can guess the race of the people who did this in one try.
What do you know? I was right. http://www.breitbart.tv/html/1962.html
Does that make me a racist?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
snip
Take a guess on the common denominator(s) these two "events" had...?
Neither victim was armed?
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In 1981, I spent 3 days in Austin TX... Partyin on the 6th st loop...
I HAD A BLAST... Definately times to remember!!!
Maybe its changed since then???
OG
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Originally posted by OdinGrunherze
In 1981, I spent 3 days in Austin TX... Partyin on the 6th st loop...
I HAD A BLAST... Definately times to remember!!!
Maybe its changed since then???
OG
Nope...its still the same nut house it's always been. Just different nuts. (for the most part anyway)
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
:rofl I sat here thinking to myself, I bet I can guess the race of the people who did this in one try.
What do you know? I was right. http://www.breitbart.tv/html/1962.html
Does that make me a racist?
It's not difficult to guess the race of a large group celebrating Juneteenth.
I celebrated yesterday too, our 25th wedding anniversary.
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nothing to get excited about, just people expressing their multicultural diversity.
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Originally posted by AKIron
It's not difficult to guess the race of a large group celebrating Juneteenth.
I celebrated yesterday too, our 25th wedding anniversary.
I had never heard of juneteenth before today.
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I heard a little more info on the radio than the story gives.
Seems the child was not even injured. The car "bumped" him and stopped. An ambulance was called "just in case". The incident was 2 streets over from the Juneteenth party. The crowd heard a "Mexican ran over a black kid!" and went to the scene. It went downhill from there.
I lived in South Texas for a couple years and learned there is no racial hate like the hate between Hispanics and Blacks.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I had never heard of juneteenth before today.
It's not difficult to guess the ethnicity of a date called juneteenth. Hmmm, that might be a little racist. ;)
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
:rofl
Does that make me a racist?
Makes you a "realist" IMO.
And it is indeed a shame that a few (hundred in this case) tarnish something meant to be uplifting.
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Originally posted by Sandman
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8PSKSDO0&show_article=1
Didn't expect this from a city that boasts, "This is a city with a heart and with a soul. Cosmopolitan, yet unpretentious. Thriving cultural scene and vibrant nightlife. High-tech, low-key. Big city, college town. Quirky and far from ordinary, it's the kind of place where you check your worries at the city limits sign, trade in suits for something a bit more casual and prepare for experiences you'll find only in Austin."
Your title should be.....
Part of Austin....not Texas in general.
I live just North of Austin and work downtown. 1 block north of the capital as a matter of fact.
Austin itself is a wonderful place to have a good time in. I wouldn't live in Austin proper for anything. Taxes SUK...City Council is a joke....and its WAY TO LEFT for me.
But as a town of beautiful things to see , the lakes , rivers , and some of the cultural things I like, its one in a million.
Texas itself isn't third world...but there is a part of Austin....that any lighter skinned person with a lick of sense would stay out of at certain times. That don't make me a racist.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I had never heard of juneteenth before today.
It's a Texas thing.
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Uhhh, if it's a Texas thing, why is it celebrated in Milwaukee?
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
:rofl I sat here thinking to myself, I bet I can guess the race of the people who did this in one try.
What do you know? I was right. http://www.breitbart.tv/html/1962.html
Does that make me a racist?
You read about a "Juneteenth" celebration and lept to the conclusion that the people there were black? I think you need to change your name to Kreskin.
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Originally posted by rpm
It's a Texas thing.
then why EVERY year we have a multitude of blocks shut down and "mob violence" while the news talks about the cultural importance of juneteenth, and it is city sponsered?
I actually know people who leave the city limits for the days surrounding it.
I guess there's some huge reason Milwaukee is a center for "black" community. I still don't know why the "black holocaust" museum is here in Milwaukee either.
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Originally posted by rpm
I lived in South Texas for a couple years and learned there is no racial hate like the hate between Hispanics and Blacks.
That 100% true!
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I have no idea why Milwaukee celebrates the day Texas slaves were freed.
From Wikipedia...
Though the Emancipation Proclamation had been issued on September 22, 1862, with an effective date of January 1, 1863, it had little immediate effect on most slaves’ day-to-day lives, particularly in Texas, which was almost entirely under Confederate control. Juneteenth commemorates June 19, 1865, the day Union General Gordon Granger and 2,000 federal troops arrived on Galveston Island to take possession of the state and enforce the emancipation of its slaves. Standing on the balcony of Galveston’s Ashton Villa, Granger read the contents of “General Order No. 3”:
The people of Texas are informed that, in accordance with a proclamation from the Executive of the United States, all slaves are free. This involves an absolute equality of personal rights and rights of property between former masters and slaves, and the connection heretofore existing between them becomes that between employer and hired labor. The freedmen are advised to remain quietly at their present homes and work for wages. They are informed that they will not be allowed to collect at military posts and that they will not be supported in idleness either there or elsewhere.[6]
That day has since become known as Juneteenth, a name derived from a portmanteau of the words June and nineteenth.
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That day has since become known as Juneteenth, a name derived from a portmanteau of the words June and nineteenth.
Ahh, we have ground zero for ebonics!
And no BS about the animosity between blacks and hispanics in Texas. My mother in law is 100% hispanic and you should hear some of the things said at her family reunions.
:O
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Sandman, does New York also join the 3rd world?
http://www.news10now.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=109361
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I suspect it's my overindulgence in alcohol prompting me to mention that I have an idea what the "third world" is but what are the first and second worlds?
A good definition as any I suppose:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/93/World_map_worlds_first_second_third.gif/300px-World_map_worlds_first_second_third.gif)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You read about a "Juneteenth" celebration and lept to the conclusion that the people there were black? I think you need to change your name to Kreskin.
No, I read about the rioting of mass amounts of people for no real reason.
Then I guessed they were black.
I came to the conclusion that they were black when all the black people on the video proved I was right.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
No, I read about the rioting of mass amounts of people for no real reason.
Then I guessed they were black.
I came to the conclusion that they were black when all the black people on the video proved I was right.
Certainly not for "no reason". A group suffering a persecution complex is prone to react emotionally to a perceived attack. Doesn't justify killing of course.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Certainly not for "no reason". A group suffering a persecution complex is prone to react emotionally to a perceived attack. Doesn't justify killing of course.
Interesting stament there about the persecution complex.
Ever wonder if the Al Sharptons / Jesse Jacksons of the world promoted a different message than "Woe is We" how things would be?
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
No, I read about the rioting of mass amounts of people for no real reason.
Then I guessed they were black.
I came to the conclusion that they were black when all the black people on the video proved I was right.
The link you posted happened in Milwaukee, the thread is about a killing in Texas. But you already knew that.. right Kreskin?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The link you posted happened in Milwaukee, the thread is about a killing in Texas. But you already knew that.. right Kreskin?
Second post highlighted the same thing happened in Milwaukee a thousand(?) miles away. Apparently it happened in new york as well.
I had to look up Kreskin. Even then, I don't understand what connection you're trying to make.
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there is no racial hate like the hate between Hispanics and Blacks.
No kidding.. It isn't just Texas, though. Depending who you ask, I look American Indian/Hispanic/Creole/Indian/Arabic with some European traits. When I moved to Tempe, Arizona, though, all the blacks in High School were a lot less friendly than those I'd known before then.. for some reason :D
It's stupid.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Milwaukee has a problem too, on "Juneteenth" day.
http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/8092297.html
Take a guess on the common denominator(s) these two "events" had...?
I don't know, what was the common denominator?
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Mobs and cavemen.
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Old dogs and children......and watermelon wine..........
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UPDATE:
link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070621/ap_on_re_us/crash_assault;_ylt=AnkKS96hR.PTkqyYclMvYJgEtbAF)
There could have been anywhere from two to 20 attackers, Austin Police Commander Harold Piatt said.
Looks like the size of the crowd may have been exaggerated.
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Originally posted by RedTop
Interesting stament there about the persecution complex.
Ever wonder if the Al Sharptons / Jesse Jacksons of the world promoted a different message than "Woe is We" how things would be?
All you have to do is look at the reception that Bill Cosby got when he postulated going to work as a way to improving yourself.
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Originally posted by rpm
UPDATE:
link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070621/ap_on_re_us/crash_assault;_ylt=AnkKS96hR.PTkqyYclMvYJgEtbAF)
Looks like the size of the crowd may have been exaggerated.
You wanna know why the size of the crowd drastically reduced?
Stop Snitchin'! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin%27)
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update:
Officials say violence had nothing to do with the festival..
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=622973
:rolleyes: :lol
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Originally posted by Sandman
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8PSKSDO0&show_article=1
Didn't expect this from a city that boasts, "This is a city with a heart and with a soul. Cosmopolitan, yet unpretentious. Thriving cultural scene and vibrant nightlife. High-tech, low-key. Big city, college town. Quirky and far from ordinary, it's the kind of place where you check your worries at the city limits sign, trade in suits for something a bit more casual and prepare for experiences you'll find only in Austin."
What a lame low class troll. Truly pathetic.
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http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Thompson+Street+austin&sll=37.0625,-95.677071&sspn=31.095668,59.238281&ie=UTF8&ll=30.274486,-97.690001&spn=0.03306,0.05785&z=14&om=1
Yall see a road that a famous black comedian warned the world to stay away from.
(http://i.rollingstone.com/assets/rs/2/1562/images/00330989.jpg)
RUN!
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Originally posted by FX1
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Thompson+Street+austin&sll=37.0625,-95.677071&sspn=31.095668,59.238281&ie=UTF8&ll=30.274486,-97.690001&spn=0.03306,0.05785&z=14&om=1
Yall see a road that a famous black comedian warned the world to stay away from.
(http://i.rollingstone.com/assets/rs/2/1562/images/00330989.jpg)
RUN!
I really don't see MLK on that map.
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point?
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Look harder.. Its the first major street to the north.
Born and raised in Austin my point is i never ever go to that area any time after dark.
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MT...It is difficult to have a really good riot in America without negroes. They are much better at it than the other races.
I know a lot of mexicans.. the n word is not taboo for them. There is no love lost between those ethnic groups/races.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
MT...It is difficult to have a really good riot in America without negroes.
:rofl ROFLMAO
Just nothing quite like a "We won the championship" riot. :)
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Originally posted by lazs2
MT...It is difficult to have a really good riot in America without negroes.
lazs
:rofl :aok :cry
That might just make my sig along with your other pearl of wisdom!
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Originally posted by lazs2
MT...It is difficult to have a really good riot in America without negroes. They are much better at it than the other races.
I know a lot of mexicans.. the n word is not taboo for them. There is no love lost between those ethnic groups/races.
lazs
that is indeed a fact. the mexicans are driving the blacks out black neighborhoods around here at an alarming rate.
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Originally posted by moot
Mobs and cavemen.
(http://www.thirdwayblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/caveman_1.jpg)
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wow...
The sheets must have returned from the cleaners this week.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
wow...
The sheets must have returned from the cleaners this week.
I've met lazs, he ain't hidin' under no sheet. :)
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No kidding, MT. It just shows the true colors of our "conservative" friends.
I'm surprised Skuzzy hasn't pulled out the PNG stick.
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why is that MT? I don't think anyone here is racist. some posters have posted verifiable comments regarding racial tension between minority groups. these tensions do indeed exist and by certain members of our society refusing to see let alone admit that these problems occur is bad for the society as a whole.
why would you want to stifle the debate by calling them klansmen?
here in my town whole neighborhoods that were traditionally black communities are being taken over by mexicans and central americans.
some folks here are calling it black flight but I have yet to see that in print or hear it on the news. many blacks are pulling up stakes and heading for georgia and alabama.
I personally don't like it. I think diversity is good. I like living here and I like the makeup of our communities.
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It's not illegal to be racist. I don't think it's even grounds for a PNG status on this board to be racist so long as no one is attacked in way that warrants removal. I'm not defending racism but an honest discussion shouldn't end just because a racist attitude is revealed.
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Oh, so it's cool to be racist...as long as you're not the minority.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by rpm
Oh, so it's cool to be racist...as long as you're not the minority.:rolleyes:
It's always more fun to be in a majority if there's oppression happenin'. ;)
Seriously though, I missed the part where anyone said it was cool to be a racist.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
wow...
The sheets must have returned from the cleaners this week.
RPM,
Is not the above statement I quoted also indicative of a racial stance or possible racist feeling. Obviously the conotation is that the individuals are a member of a white only group.
Is it equally racist to be prejudiced if one is from a minority population vs the majority population? Can one be racist if one is a minority? What is the equivalent of the clan for a minority person?
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so if one points out percieved racism one might be construed as being racist by one?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
so if one points out percieved racism one might be construed as being racist by one?
I think most dictionaries define racism as holding that one race is superior to another. I'm holding the NBA to be pretty darned racist.
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Well before the lock...
MT you start calling some "unidentified" posters in this thread Klansmen, in not so subtle a way... if that isn't the pot calling the kettle.
"Racism" being the generalization of a person because of their race (even assumed race).
Here you don't see us physically, but assume. Well let's assume you see a slitty eyed person possibly from an Asian decent. Do you assume they are Japanese? Possibly Chinese? If you were to see a name like "Phanmahavong" what would you assume from that?
Would expect whomever to speak broken engrish? same go for "Chow"?
You are assuming alot in this and many threads.
The term "racist" is thrown about here and there, in todays society it is almost a moniker for any white protestant male regardless of situation, or actual facts.
The truly sad part is the fact is there are "reverse" racists. Let us use black persons, or latino persons, or asian persons... they may see a white male and assume his thoughts / politics, whatever.
(SIDE NOTE firefox wants me to CAPITALIZE asian, and latino, but not black)
Anyway, NOT some people but ALL people have made their own judgments on others... race, religion, whatever... hopefully not on learned or "inherited" assumptions but on personal experience in the real world.
it is a fact of life, I see you, you see me, and we make a judgment, or at least an assumption based on clothing, manners, posture, skin color, whatever we can visually gather to assess the confrontation that will follow. I DO hope you are intelligent enough to know "confrontation" is referring to an interaction of a personal sort, NOT a "fight".
From what I gather, the "liberals" or whatever name you want to give want us all in the WHOLE WORLD to forgo what we see and interpret, and just imagine our own twin walking up to us to have a conversation.
I have to say if you are that delusional to assume that will / can happen across the entire world, and with all races / creeds I am sorry for you.
You may cast your eyes down on someone like me for haven a predisposed opinion on many things, but turn your eye on ¾ of the world’s population at the same time. Remember I am not the majority of the entire world, not even close. I am just what you happen to personally see a lot.
What about what person XXX in Kenya see’s on a daily basis? What about what person YYY in Hong Kong see’s daily? Heck, choose any point on the globe, and more than ¾ of the time it won’t be me, or my likeness in any sort of the way.
What these liberal “equality” people seem to have is a double standards for what is “right”. Not only that, but a “righteous” pedestal to stand on from their moral high ground, approving or denying what is right or wrong to see… even though they have not “seen” it all themselves.
I neither profess to be “better” or “worse” then any other, NOR do I say what he / she should do or say in any given situation. I merely use my life experiences, and past events to possibly predict an outcome in a situation so I may react properly for my own personal gain.
It’s called self preservation.
If you really want to argue and debate semantics about it all there can be, has been, and will be a million other threads about it here in the AH Oclub. There are also MANY other outlets for your thoughts, but here I think Skuzzy would not disagree, we are a generally lighthearted bunch. We just have invigorating conversations, sometimes someone getting a bit hot-headed, but other than that we will NEVER solve the worlds problems.
So how’s it gonna be?
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Originally posted by rpm
No kidding, MT. It just shows the true colors of our "conservative" friends.
I'm surprised Skuzzy hasn't pulled out the PNG stick.
Won't happen.
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spot on 73
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Originally posted by AKIron
I think most dictionaries define racism as holding that one race is superior to another. I'm holding the NBA to be pretty darned racist.
heh
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Oakland California asked Juneteenth to go else where after the last 2 years of it turned into gang banger riots and general looting. The previous 10 years the juneteenth revelers setteled for the festivel on the lake and simple vandalizim in the surrounding neihborhoods. Breaking and entering, weeing and defecating on walls and parked cars. Harrassment and intimidation of citizens on the street and in their yards. Theft, pickpocketing, assault and battery, public sexual harrassment, some alleged rapes, drunken disorderly, under the influence of controled substances, loss of life that never made it in the news.
But then we just didn't understand the spirit of the celebration not being decendants of slaves and such as we were lead to beleive by community leaders in those days. I think that was during the rein of the Elihu M. Harris cleptocracy in Oakland. Butttttt, we were being afforded ample oportunities to feeeeeeeeeeel their anger and pain over what our ancestors had done to them, or some garbage like that.
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(http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/05.10.16.SynergeticRac-X.gif)
(http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20060602/cartoon20060602.gif)
And that's all I got to say about that.
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mt.. I got to ask....
Is it fun for you or does it cause you constant agony to be looking for racists in every facet of life? Every statement anyone makes?
In your world... is it better to treat some people better than others? Is it a better world if facts are ignored in the interest of PC?
In families of mixed races of children... would you like the ones of one race to be treated differently than the other by not only others but the parents as well?
MT world must either really suck or be really strange with all sorts of rationalizations for doing unfair things.
lazs
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I don't look for them lazs. I just shine a light on them once in a while. Why do you think every thread is about guns?
And JB73, what is what gonna be? You think my observations are any less or more serious than yours? You must be attaching some added significance to mine. Maybe it is some kind of conscience kicking in or something?
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The difference is of course.. that you want to treat people differently and you want to censor based on... based on what? Firearms are a necessary part of the god given right to defend oneself and are protected by the constitution.
What you defend is the right to treat people differently based on race. If what one race (only if it is a black race) does something percieved to be good... then it is alright to say that race is superior (like basketball or other stupid sports) ... if that race does something evil..
We are all supposed to ignore the makeup of the rioters or idiots or face your instant witch hunt for KKK members who have merely left their sheets at the cleaners... Since the KKK was/is made up of white people exclusively... it is a form of racism for you to bring them up all the time by your standards.
You never answer the question tho.. the one about how a family should treat their mixed race kids... How the rest of us should. Based soley on race.. you would have to treat the black kids with extra rights by your logic.
The black kids would and could use the (horror of horrors) "N" word but the white would be punished. Hitting the black kids by the whites would be a "hate crime" while the black kid hitting the white would just be... kids hitting their brother.
the black kids would be accepted no matter what their grades to higher learning but,, conversely... the white kids no matter what their grades would not be so long as it was percieved that not enough black kids had qualified or wanted in.
lazs
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People should be treated INDIVIDUALLY based on their actions. I've never said differently. You want the right to hate a group of people based on their skin color I can't stop you, but I can most certainly point out that it is wrong.
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I do not hate people based on their skin color nor do I think that people and society should treat people differently based on skin color.
I treat people that I don't know more on how they carry themselves than the color of their skin. I generalize... it works and is logical.
If I am in a drunken crowd full of black people I will generalize that it is far more likely that something bad will happen on a grand scale.
You call this racist. I call it pragmatic and using the power of observation and history.
I will be better off than you or the person who pretends that there is no danger.
but.. I already gave you examples of reverse racism and it's bad effects... I would only add that these racist policies like hate crimes and affirmitive action only increase the resentment and real biggotry.
lazs
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Originally posted by midnight Target
People should be treated INDIVIDUALLY based on their actions. I've never said differently. You want the right to hate a group of people based on their skin color I can't stop you, but I can most certainly point out that it is wrong.
Do you mean wrong to do so? Or their assumptions based off of race are wrong?
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take that example to the next level.
if you were in a very dark alley alone would you feel better if
a. you were approached by a group of lilly white, white short sleeved shirt and black necktie wearing mormon missionaries
or
b. a group of black or hispanic youths?
what would you do as the group approached? would you prepare for the encounter differently between one and the other group?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
People should be treated INDIVIDUALLY based on their actions. I've never said differently. You want the right to hate a group of people based on their skin color I can't stop you, but I can most certainly point out that it is wrong.
MT that is actually what I wanted to get into here and you already put it into words. The secondary point I wanted to make is to assume that an individual is bigoted just on the observation of a situation consisted of a monogamous skin colored part of the population could be erroneous. To make that assumption and then label them as members of a hate group of no redeeming value is also an example of a bigoted act itself, particularly in the assumption that the other group does hate a specific part of the population.
FWIW I was not picking on you personally, just that you came up with the reverse side of the "racist" equation in the post you made. I don't see either side of that equation as any better than the other. Assumptions based on skin color, size, hair color, eye color etc. are all faulty IMO. I feel it's better to base opinions on an individuals actions rather than the outward appearance they happened to be born with. Bigotry is bigotry no matter what the color of the person who is expressing it. It's equally wrong to apply it based on how or what appearance a person is born with.
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Somehow ....in the back of my mind...I knew this is where this thread would end up going.:lol
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Uhhh, if it's a Texas thing, why is it celebrated in Milwaukee?
There's quite a large Hispanic population in Milwaukuee. Milwaukuee's population would have decreased majorly 10 years ago if a large immigrant population didn't move in. Most of the white folk moved to the suburbs and the immigrants took what was left.
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MT... I think the most telling thing of this whole thread is you calling mav a racist whos sheets are simply at the cleaners.
You might run into a conflict of your own strange justifications if you meet him.
lazs
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I don't think Mav is a racist, and I don't think I ever called him one.
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then I am not either? are my beliefs much different than his? who were you refering to with the "sheets" comment and why?
or was it just a joke and you had no one in mind?
lazs
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I earnestly believe that I should treat everyone as an individual without respect to their race. However, that's not to say that I shouldn't judge the actions of a group easily identifiable by their race. Faulting an entire race for the actions of this group would be racist imo. Faulting a culture which this race embraces would not.