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My father was in this battle abord the USS McKee DD-575 shelling the beaches for the landing party.
Did you know that Sgt. Bob Keeshan played a big roll in this campain, We all knew Sgt. Keeshan as Captain Kangaroo.
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TOKYO - Japan has returned to using the prewar name for the island of Iwo Jima — site of one of World War II's most horrific battles — at the urging of its original inhabitants, who want to reclaim an identity they say has been hijacked by high-profile movies like Clint Eastwood's "Letters from Iwo Jima."
The new name, Iwo To, was adopted Monday by the Japanese Geographical Survey Institute in consultation with Japan's coast guard.
Surviving islanders evacuated during the war praised the move, but others said it cheapens the memory of a brutal campaign that today is inextricably linked to the words Iwo Jima.
Back in 1945, the small, volcanic island was the vortex of the fierce World War II battle immortalized by the famous photograph by Joe Rosenthal of The Associated Press showing Marines raising the American flag on the islet's Mount Suribachi.
Retired Marine Maj. Gen. Fred Haynes, who was a 24-year-old captain in the regiment that raised the flag on Mount Suribachi, was surprised and upset by the news.
"Frankly, I don't like it. That name is so much a part of our tradition, our legacy," said Haynes
Haynes, 87, heads the Combat Veterans of Iwo Jima, a group of about 600 veterans that travels to the island every year for a reunion. He is working on a book about the battle called "We Walk by Faith: The Story of Combat Team 28 and the Battle of Iwo Jima." He doesn't plan to change the name.
"It was Iwo Jima to us when we took it," said Haynes. "We'll recognize whatever the Japanese want to call it but we'll stick to Iwo Jima."
Before the war, the isolated spit of land was called Iwo To — pronounced "ee-woh-toh" — by the 1,000 or so people who lived there. In Japanese, that name looks and means the same as Iwo Jima — Sulfur Island — but it has a different sound.
The civilians were evacuated in 1944 as U.S. forces advanced across the Pacific. Some Japanese navy officers who moved in to fortify the island mistakenly called it Iwo Jima, and the name stuck. After the war, civilians weren't allowed to return and the island was put to exclusive military use by both the U.S. and Japan, cementing its identity.
Locals were never happy the name Iwo Jima took root. But the last straw came this year with the release of Eastwood's "Letters from Iwo Jima" and "Flags of Our Fathers," war films that only reinforced the misnomer.
In March, Ogasawara, the municipality that administers Iwo To and neighboring islands, responded by adopting a resolution making Iwo To the official name. Ogasawara residents and descendants of Iwo To evacuees petitioned the central government to follow suit.
"Though we're happy for Iwo To, which has been forgotten by history, the islanders are extremely grieved every time they hear Iwo To referred to as Iwo Jima," the local Ogasawara newspaper quoted the resolution as saying of the Eastwood movies.
The government agreed; an official map with the new name will be released on Sept. 1.
Still, Iwo Jima is the only name that clicks with most Japanese who aren't from the remote island chain, some 700 miles southeast of Tokyo in the Pacific Ocean.
Even some Japanese war veterans, like 84-year-old Kiyoshi Endo, who heads an association commemorating soldiers killed in the battle, feel uncomfortable about the switch.
"Naval maps have long used the name Iwo Jima," Japan's Sankei newspaper quoted Endo as saying. "We should respect that history."
Today Iwo To's only inhabitants are about 400 Japanese soldiers.
The 1945 battle for Iwo Jima pitted some 100,000 U.S. troops against 22,000 Japanese deeply dug into a labyrinth of tunnels and trenches. Nearly 7,000 Americans were killed capturing the island, and fewer than 1,000 of the Japanese survived.
The Americans occupied the island after the war, and returned it to Japanese jurisdiction in 1968. The U.S. Navy still uses an airstrip on the island to train pilots who operate from aircraft carriers.
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Sgt Shultz was portrayed by John Banner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Banner
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Originally posted by KG45
Sgt Shultz was portrayed by John Banner
Ty: fixed
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The Captain Kangaroo story is a myth. (http://www.snopes.com/military/marvin.asp)
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You Would Never Have Guessed
Captain Kangaroo passed away on January 23, 2004, as age 76 , which is odd, because he always looked to be 76. (DOB: 6/27/27) His death reminds us of the following story:
Some people have been a bit offended that the actor, Lee Marvin, is buried in a grave alongside 3- and 4-star generals at Arlington National Cemetery . His marker gives his name, rank (PVT) and service (USMC). Nothing else. Here's a guy who was only a famous movie star who served his time, why the heck does he rate burial with these guys? Well, following is the amazing answer:
I always liked Lee Marvin, but didn't know the extent of his Corps experiences.
In a time when many Hollywood stars served their country in the armed forces often in rear echelon posts where they were carefully protected, only to be trotted out to perform for the cameras in war bond promotions, Lee Marvin was a genuine hero. He won the Navy Cross at Iwo Jima. There is only one higher Naval award... the Medal Of Honor!
If that is a surprising comment on the true character of the man, he credits his sergeant with an even greater show of bravery.
Dialog from "The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson": His guest was Lee Marvin. Johnny said, "Lee, I'll bet a lot of people are unaware that you were a Marine in the initial landing at Iwo Jima ...and that during the course of that action you earned the Navy Cross and were severely wounded."
"Yeah, yeah... I got shot square in the bottom and they gave me the Cross for securing a hot spot about halfway up Suribachi. Bad thing about getting shot up on a mountain is guys getting' shot hauling you down. But,Johnny, at Iwo I served under the bravest man I ever knew... We both got the Cross the same day, but what he did for his Cross made mine look cheap in comparison. That dumb guy actually stood up on Red beach and directed his troops to move forward and get the hell off the beach. Bullets flying by, with mortar rounds landing everywhere and he stood there as the main target of gunfire so that he could get his men to safety. He did this on more than one occasion because his men's safety was more important than his own life.
That Sergeant and I have been lifelong friends. When they brought me off Suribachi we passed the Sergeant and he lit a smoke and passed it to me, lying on my belly on the litter and said, "Where'd they get you Lee?" "Well Bob... if you make it home before me, tell Mom to sell the outhouse!"
Johnny, I'm not lying, Sergeant Keeshan was the bravest man I ever knew.
The Sergeant's name is Bob Keeshan. You and the world know him as Captain Kangaroo."
On another note, there was this wimpy little man (who just passed away) on PBS, gentle and quiet. Mr. Rogers is another of those you would least suspect of being anything but what he now portrays to our youth. But Mr. Rogers was a U.S. Navy Seal, combat-proven in Vietnam with over twenty-five confirmed kills to his name. He wore a long-sleeved sweater on TV, to cover the many tattoos on his forearm and biceps. He was a master in small arms and hand-to-hand combat, able to disarm or kill in a heartbeat
After the war Mr. Rogers became an ordained Presbyterian minister and therefore a pacifist. Vowing to never harm another human and also dedicating the rest of his life to trying to help lead children on the right path in life. He hid away the tattoos and his past life and won our hearts with his quiet wit and charm.
America's real heroes don't flaunt what they did; they quietly go about their day-to-day lives, doing what they do best They earned our respect and the freedoms that we all enjoy.
Look around and see if you can find one of those heroes in your midst.
Often, they are the ones you'd least suspect, but would most like to have on your side if anything ever happened
Take the time to thank anyone that has fought for our freedom. With encouragement they could be the next Captain Kangaroo or Mr.Rogers
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HGPappy, you're really barking up the wrong tree here with Captain Kangaroo, and Mr Rogers. No offense.
Of course Mr Keeshan should be saluted for his service. However his service did not include Iwo jima or combat. Mr Rogers......... Never served.
Don't trivialize the service of real hero's by adding the names of those to the list that didn't serve.
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HGPappy, Thanks for writing that reply...
It kept me from having to do it myself...
ALSO
Gene Hackman
Charlton Heston
Brian Keith
Steve McQueen
George Peppard
George C Scott
Burt Reynolds
Ken Norton
Leon Spinks
Ed McMahon
Hugh Brannum> Mr GreenJeans too
God bless my brothers, wherever they are..
Semper Fi
OG
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You forgot Charles Bronson
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:huh
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snopes... never let facts cloud your opinions or beliefs...
http://www.snopes.com/military/marvin.asp
http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/mrrogers.asp
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"You forgot Charles Bronson"
And Chuck Norris too you khuckle heads.
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Who is Chuck Norris???:D
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I saw that Ernest Borgnine use to drive PT boats :D
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is it spelt Audee murphy? the actor that was a real war hero in italy and N.A?
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Eddie Albert - World War II --
Then World War II broke and Albert signed up. Albert served as an officer in the navy during World War II, seeing combat in the Pacific Theater. In 1943 during the fighting of the Japanese on Tarawa he rescued 70 wounded Marines, earning him a Bronze Star for his heroic bravery.
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My great uncle was a Marine and landed on Iwo Jima in the first wave.
He was a member of the same company as the flag raisers and ended up being pressed into being a runner when they lost all of their radios and all the other runners were killed.
Other than that he wouldn't tell me much more about his experiences when I asked, just saying "It was hell and I really don't want to talk about it." He died when I was 12 or so.
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The other one who comes to mind is Charles Durning. Haven't checked Snopes on this, but I recall reading that at one point he was attacked by a fanatical teenage soldier - ended up having to kill the kid with a rock.
Among other misadventures.
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Lee Marvin wasn't on Iwo. He was wounded on Pelileu if memory serves. He apparently suffered from a great deal of survivor's guilt for the rest of his life.
Rod Serling of Twilight Zone fame was a combat paratrooper in the Pacific. It clearly influenced his work.
Jimmy Stewart flew combat as a B24 pilot.
Eddie Albert was at Tarawa commanding a landing craft.
What makes Stewart's service stand out to me, is that he was a star already and could have avoided it. Instead he did it the hard way. The others mentioned became stars after the war.
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I thought James Stewart flew B-17s? I have lots of respect for him, he went in and did the full meal deal, not just a handfull of missions like Clark Gable, although I dont know if Gable was ordered to be grounded, he probably was.
Oh ya and its Iwo Jima. Sorry, I get all spell-nazi when it comes to WW2 stuff. ;)
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Originally posted by Squire
I thought Stewart flew B-17s?
Oh ya and its Iwo Jima. Sorry, I get all spell-nazi when it comes to WW2 stuff. ;)
Stewart trained in 17s but ended up in 24s with the 445th BG, 8th AF. He then moved to the 453rd BG as Ops officer
Good book on his combat career called "Jimmy Stewart-Bomber Pilot" Lots of great photos from that time.
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My Grand Dad flew escort missions in a Jug. Now you all know why my tag is P47 in it. He escorted for Jimmy Stewart on several occasions before the 51's entered and then he went to train killin. In fact Mr. Stewart bought several rounds of beers for all the escort pukes. Stewart said he never found a escort pilot he did not like.
My father (Thud driver) got his butt saved over Hanoi by a Naval Aviator soon became an Apollo Astronaught. Ended up getting in the butt later in the day by a SAM 100 miles from base bailed and saved by a Jolly with a Spad as escort. Go figure.
To all the vets out there......Never Forget.
:aok
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my great grandfather flew the cosairs in the pacific, between 1943 to the end of the war. with 11 kills.
p51srule:aok
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Geez, I know that I'm gettin old, but damn???
Granddads and Great Granddads???
My Father, was a USMC rifleman, on Bougainville, Saipan, Okinawa...
Occupied Japan...
In 1950, as a Gunny Sgt. he went into the Pusan perimiter, landed at Inchon, and Hungnam, and had his right knee shot away on a hill above the Chosin reservoir... He would have bled to death, but the blood froze, which kept him alive... He rode out over the pass, tied to the fender of a 2 1/2 ton truck...
I never met a man who was SOOO Hard in my life...
But he had a heart of PURE GOLD!!!
He died fron a blood clot in 1980
I still miss ya pop
OG
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First, to those yahoos (like the one who started this thread) who simply copy something off of an email sent to them, or from any ol' site on the In-TARD-net without checking to see if there is a shred of truth in it, or who spread this bull guano purposely.
You are permanently squelched from me reading or believe anything you say from now on. Can't think of anything more degrading to our WWII and ALL other war vets than to have some but(t)-plug propagate this crapola. Either for your stupidity or your maliciousness, you don't deserve to live here and enjoy the freedoms the people you denegrate gave us, some at the cost of their lives.
You insult our intellegence (you are found out so simply), our families, our warriers, our heritage and legacy as Americans.
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I dont think there is any great harm in a few errors, where exactly Lee Marvin was wounded for instance. Saipan or Iwo Jima, he still served in WW2 and was wounded.
As for Mister Rogers though, thats all bupkuss.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Rogers
He never served a day in the Armed Forces. He certainly was NOT a SEAL. From 1968-2001 he was on Mr Rogers Neighborhood, so how he ever could have served in Vietnam is kind of a mystery to me.
Can we still admire the man? sure, I do, he spent his life trying to be a good person and worked in a field for kids shows. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Capt Kangaroo, well, I guess he didnt serve in combat either, but lets remember he wasnt the thread starter, so lets not take it out on him, by all accounts he was an ok guy too, and did serve in the military, I take it he was just turning 18 at wars end, so he was one of the lucky ones that didnt have to invade Japan as a grunt in the fall of 1945 had there been no atom bomb.
I agree folks should check their facts better before posting stuff. Oh well, its the internet.
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Originally posted by john9001
Eddie Albert - World War II --
Then World War II broke and Albert signed up. Albert served as an officer in the navy during World War II, seeing combat in the Pacific Theater. In 1943 during the fighting of the Japanese on Tarawa he rescued 70 wounded Marines, earning him a Bronze Star for his heroic bravery.
Believe he commanded a LVT or some other type of landing craft. He also took part in the D-Day invasion.
ack-ack
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praise & SALUTE all those who gave for freedom of others, never to see the fruits of their fighting. but what has not been mentioned yet, is the fact they want to rename Iwo Jima ~ Iwa Jima ~ who Jima? to a name that will displace the history for future generations. the politically correct agenda is amongst us everywhere we turn.
they change the names of dinasours we all knew as kids, they change the history books to change the facts regarding the US Civil war and all it intelled.
It will not be long before they find out Jupiter is not really a planet but was actually the middle of the solar system until it got hit by a big sheet of astroid acid made up of window pane.
the real shame is nobody cares anymore, they have these internet games and worry about how we can get another flight in before we got to leave for work. yeah that's the ticket :rolleyes:
but seriously, why would they want to change a part or name of history that so many lost their lives fighting for and or defending is beyond me.
Mighty01
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Originally posted by Mighty01
praise & SALUTE all those who gave for freedom of others, never to see the fruits of their fighting. but what has not been mentioned yet, is the fact they want to rename Iwo Jima ~ Iwa Jima ~ who Jima? to a name that will displace the history for future generations. the politically correct agenda is amongst us everywhere we turn.
they change the names of dinasours we all knew as kids, they change the history books to change the facts regarding the US Civil war and all it intelled.
It will not be long before they find out Jupiter is not really a planet but was actually the middle of the solar system until it got hit by a big sheet of astroid acid made up of window pane.
the real shame is nobody cares anymore, they have these internet games and worry about how we can get another flight in before we got to leave for work. yeah that's the ticket :rolleyes:
but seriously, why would they want to change a part or name of history that so many lost their lives fighting for and or defending is beyond me.
Mighty01
I guess the Japanese have the right to change the name of their Island back to it's original name. Many Japanese have been trying to forget what happened there since they lost the war. Not much different from changing Truk (the site of a major naval/air battle in Feb, 1944) back to it's original name - Chuuk.
DJ229 Air Mafia
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Actually, it was changed back in 1968, but a clerical error in 1982 changed it back to the jima pronunciation of the same kanji. Just like the Truk mispronunciation was corrected by the Federated States of Micronesia, as you said, davenrino.
The pronunciation was not changed as a "politically correct" measure. The events, island or history haven't changed. No one has to change their pronunciation of it for the time those events occurred. Iwo Jima was where the events occurred. Iwo Tou is how the same place was pronounced before and after the war.
I don't see many people trying to forget what happened there. There are a few right wing politicians, but that's about it. There is a normal sense of shame in losing, same as all people, right? Just because Japanese don't talk about it constantly, doesn't mean many are trying to forget. Life goes on. On the contrary, Japanese are very patient when 20 year-old American sailors or soldiers try to provoke an argument by trying to rub events that happened half a century, and a few generations ago, in their face. Neither had any hand in the cause or outcome of those events.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Believe he commanded a LVT or some other type of landing craft. He also took part in the D-Day invasion.
ack-ack
Nope, that was in the movie Longest Day where he was killed....er... his character was :)
Tarawa was where he saw the real deal and the horror of it all.
I often wondered what it was like for those guys who actually saw combat to act in movies that tried to portray it. Big Red One was on the other night with Lee Marvin, and I thought about his time in combat with the Marines. Must be really strange to pretend after that.
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How did the name get changed in the first place? Regional dialects, clerical error, typo?
The name doesn't change a thing, except what appears on a map. History remains as it was.
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Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
my great grandfather flew the cosairs in the pacific, between 1943 to the end of the war. with 11 kills.
p51srule:aok
Corsairs rule too! :aok
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The kanji for island can be pronounced a few ways, like all kanji.
Iwo Shima (or Jima) - 硫黄島
Iwo Tou - 硫黄島
They are both the same kanji and mean the same thing - sulphur island.
All the natives were evacuated during the war and a Japanese (a major, I believe) mispronounced it as Iwo Jima from a map. Since none of the natives were around to correct him, the name stuck until the island returned to Japan and the pronunciation returned to Iwo Tou.
The change was never remotely related to nationalism or any other political reasoning. It is simply the reading of the kanji.
People outside Japan may be thrown into fits of apoplexy if they learned that the roman spelling is actually "Iou Tou." :)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
I often wondered what it was like for those guys who actually saw combat to act in movies that tried to portray it. Big Red One was on the other night with Lee Marvin, and I thought about his time in combat with the Marines. Must be really strange to pretend after that.
Christopher Lee who served with the SIS, silenced Peter Jackson abruptly while Jackson was trying to relate how he wanted him to play the death of Saruman scene with a dead serious comment along the lines of "I *know* what the sound a man makes when he is being stabbed to death"
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Originally posted by Rolex
Actually, it was changed back in 1968, but a clerical error in 1982 changed it back to the jima pronunciation of the same kanji. Just like the Truk mispronunciation was corrected by the Federated States of Micronesia, as you said, davenrino.
The pronunciation was not changed as a "politically correct" measure. The events, island or history haven't changed. No one has to change their pronunciation of it for the time those events occurred. Iwo Jima was where the events occurred. Iwo Tou is how the same place was pronounced before and after the war.
I don't see many people trying to forget what happened there. There are a few right wing politicians, but that's about it. There is a normal sense of shame in losing, same as all people, right? Just because Japanese don't talk about it constantly, doesn't mean many are trying to forget. Life goes on. On the contrary, Japanese are very patient when 20 year-old American sailors or soldiers try to provoke an argument by trying to rub events that happened half a century, and a few generations ago, in their face. Neither had any hand in the cause or outcome of those events.
Rolex, I am in agreement with you. But, WW2 history is, or at least was barely covered in many Japanese schools. My wife is from Tokyo and she didn't even understand the significance of Iwo Jima. I pointed Iwo out one day as we flew past and then had to explain what occurred there and why it was such an important battle. Maybe history wasn't her favorite subject.;) I have seen the Island from the air a hundred times and it still stirs something inside me (or maybe it was the airline food). :)
DJ229 - Air Mafia
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I was not trying to take anything away from any nationality of people. both sides lost way to many of their young soldiers at this place. this is why I mentioned
that so many lost their lives fighting for and or defending
It is not a matter of rubbing something in one's eye, my object was more toward why all the time higherup political types try to change things, or names of events or places what have you, which eventually leads to history getting lost or readjusted for the future generations of our youth.
I can understand the orginial settlers and occupants of Iwo Tou wanting their Island named as it was originally.
As for the politically correct jab, it was nothing more than just that , a jab if you will. out of humor more than anything. that was why I spewed off about Jupiter getting hit by the big sheet of astroid acid consisting of window pane. As if 95% of the AH community could even understand what any of that stupid lil phrase even means.
my apology if I offended any person. that was not my intentions
Rolex: I find it down right shameful to hear of young US soldiers doing as you mentioned aboveJapanese are very patient when 20 year-old American sailors or soldiers try to provoke an argument by trying to rub events that happened half a century, and a few generations ago, in their face. Neither had any hand in the cause or outcome of those events.
that in itself shows a little about how our children are brought up this days. A True servicemember from any nationality with any worthy amount fo discipline or respect would not even think about going there.
Mighty01
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DJ,
out of curiosity, I wonder why Japan does not as you mentioned
But, WW2 history is, or at least was barely covered in many Japanese schools
It is and was a part of their nations history, regardless of it being a good point or bad point in time. Just as we have here in the States, it is as if the new age of teaching shuns away from any bad occurances that happend in the past or never fully explains them
to me it is the same in the states here, where certian things that happened as we grew up and read in our history books do not even get a mention of in "today's History books" of our children. And if it is mentioned it is twisted and distorted from everything we were taught when we were in school.
I have always been one for learning and trying to understand history, or shall I say understand why things happen the way they did. It can be a challenge when you have your 11 or 12 year old come home from school to be all excited and tell you about some point in history they learned about, to suddenly find out for example's sake, that what you might of learned back in the 60's or 70's is 100% opposite of the same part of history in discussion with your child has just learnt from his or her teacher today.
who is right? who is wrong? who shall we say is the one misinformed? what do you say to your child to make it where you can keep them interested in the subject, and not put down their teachers, or make them have to pick sides on who to believe.( all this is a hypothetical of course ) but something to speculate about.
I find nothing wrong and Iwo Jima returning to its rightful name of Iwo Tuo, as long as the Teachers and historians do not end up throwing away a valuable part of this worlds past history.
salute
Mighty01
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WWII is a sensitive subject for both the Japanese and German people. I have toured Europe and made stops at 2 Major Extermination Camps (Dacau and Auswitz sorry guys spelling is bad). The German population was very polite to me when I asked for directions but they were reluctant to give me directions. After finding a great bar to rest my feet I found a English speaking local. I asked him why it was so hard to find these areas of history. He told me that some of his countrymen are reluctant to show how brutal some of their fellow countrymen could do and that their country was lead by such a brutal leader. As time goes on the age of the population involved in the war grows older the younger people are left with the question: Do we grasp the history as a brutal learning experience or do we hide ourselves in that brutal history? I believe it is the same with the Japanese people.
My Granddad was a Jug driver and he had a hard time going back with me and seeing most of the country. It was an awesome experience to have him re tell his stories of missions and towns he literally pounded.
WAR IS HELL!!! Men that say it is glamorous or with honor have never lived it!!!!
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good post..and a good read..refreshing
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Originally posted by P47Gra
WWII is a sensitive subject for both the Japanese and German people. I have toured Europe and made stops at 2 Major Extermination Camps (Dacau and Auswitz sorry guys spelling is bad). The German population was very polite to me when I asked for directions but they were reluctant to give me directions. After finding a great bar to rest my feet I found a English speaking local. I asked him why it was so hard to find these areas of history. He told me that some of his countrymen are reluctant to show how brutal some of their fellow countrymen could do and that their country was lead by such a brutal leader. As time goes on the age of the population involved in the war grows older the younger people are left with the question: Do we grasp the history as a brutal learning experience or do we hide ourselves in that brutal history? I believe it is the same with the Japanese people.
Anyone whom has visited the Arizona Memorial here knows what an emotional experience it is. It is a very strange experience going there with your Japanese wife, her Mother and Aunt. They actually felt embarrassment at the intro movie. I haven't been to the memorial at Hiroshima, yet but plan to do so soon. I am sure that the shoe will be on the other foot then.;)
Originally posted by P47Gra
My Granddad was a Jug driver and he had a hard time going back with me and seeing most of the country. It was an awesome experience to have him re tell his stories of missions and towns he literally pounded.
WAR IS HELL!!! Men that say it is glamorous or with honor have never lived it!!!!
I know how your grandfather felt when I made a couple trips to Hanoi. I flew down the coast past my former bases in Chu Lai and Da Nang.
DJ229
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Here's an old, somewhat related topic
Famous Folks and WW2 (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=133038)
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Andy rooney? the cat at the end of sixty minutes, great read.