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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Silat on June 21, 2007, 03:13:22 PM
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The Office of Vice President Dick Cheney told an agency within the National Archives that for purposes of securing classified information, the Vice President's office is not an 'entity within the executive branch' according to a letter released Thursday by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Cheney_tells_agency_that_Vice_Presidents_0621.html
Just try to explain this one fanbois:)
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it's very simple, Waxman is on a witch hunt.:D
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Lew, quit harassing the Vice President or he'll be forced to shoot you :D
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Originally posted by john9001
it's very simple, Waxman is on a witch hunt.:D
Lol!!
Has nothing to do with Waxman.. Has everything to do with the law..
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Flat out lying headlines.
“for purposes of securing classified information” which is entirely correct.
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I'm wondering what parts of this story have been conveniently left out, considering the source (Raw Story, left wing rag)
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thank you silat.. I would not know about all the obscure lefty sites on the internet if not for you... following your links is always an eye opener. I always feel a little dirty and can't force myself to read too much on em but it is probly good to see what the other side has in mind for my life.
lazs
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attacking the source and not the content isn't debating the issue.
Fact is that DC doesn't want his office to have to preserve records as required by law. So he's going to ignore said law, same ol, same ol.
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Silat ho'd me once.....
:t
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Here ya go, same story from Fox, so the discussion can be fair and balanced:
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Jun21/0,4670,CheneySecrecy,00.html
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sweet so lets go invade him and throw his bellybutton in getmo
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If you slog thru what and how an executive order works and then think about why Cheney did this it becomes moot. Only if the president really gets upset will something come out of this other than Waxman and the media having yet another feeding frenzy on Cheney is the left hand of Bush/Lucifer and drinks the bloood of new borns.
Cheney has locked down his office since the Palme B.S.. Armitage outed her, but one of Cheney's staff payed because a witch hunt in D.C. is always great entertainment and you never know how many other scandels can be generated and careers you can ruin in the process. Waxman is a low rent politician trying to make his legacy bones as the "Bulldog of the Potomac". The media is having a slow news week and knows any administration Lib or Con can string this kind of a burp out for 4-8 years if they want to.
2008 a new V.P will be in office and all of Cheney's current classified documents will have been turned in to the archive. End of B.S. moot point.
I wish E.T. would finally land and hold a press conference so the media and the Kook base would have something a bit more interesting to frenzy about.
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Originally posted by bustr
If you slog thru what and how an executive order works and then think about why Cheney did this it becomes moot. Only if the president really gets upset will something come out of this other than Waxman and the media having yet another feeding frenzy on Cheney is the left hand of Bush/Lucifer and drinks the bloood of new borns.
Cheney has locked down his office since the Palme B.S.. Armitage outed her, but one of Cheney's staff payed because a witch hunt in D.C. is always great entertainment and you never know how many other scandels can be generated and careers you can ruin in the process. Waxman is a low rent politician trying to make his legacy bones as the "Bulldog of the Potomac". The media is having a slow news week and knows any administration Lib or Con can string this kind of a burp out for 4-8 years if they want to.
2008 a new V.P will be in office and all of Cheney's current classified documents will have been turned in to the archive. End of B.S. moot point.
I wish E.T. would finally land and hold a press conference so the media and the Kook base would have something a bit more interesting to frenzy about.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
And :aok to your post.(However, don't expect to see Silat reply, he rarely does, since *his* kool-aid comes with slide-on blinders.
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Since he's stated that he's not part of the Executive Branch, it looks like the House of Representatives will be discussing removing his office from the executive funding bill next week. Makes sense.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Since he's stated that he's not part of the Executive Branch, it looks like the House of Representatives will be discussing removing his office from the executive funding bill next week. Makes sense.
It's BRILLIANT!
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Since he's stated that he's not part of the Executive Branch, it looks like the House of Representatives will be discussing removing his office from the executive funding bill next week. Makes sense.
It's not that he isn't a member of the executive branch but his role is not limited to that and any restrictions derived don't apply to the legislative hat he also wears.
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Originally posted by AKIron
It's not that he isn't a member of the executive branch
Well, he explicitly stated that he wasn't a member of the executive branch, so I'm gonna have to side with him I'd assume he knows what branch he's not part of.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Well, he explicitly stated that he wasn't a member of the executive branch, so I'm gonna have to side with him I'd assume he knows what branch he's not part of.
Maybe he was misquoted? Of course he's a member of the executive branch. His role just isn't limited to that.
I reread it. He said for the purposes of securing classifed information his office was not an entity in the executive branch. Makes sense in that an executive order (not law btw) should not prevent him from fulfilling his obligaton to the senate.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Since he's stated that he's not part of the Executive Branch, it looks like the House of Representatives will be discussing removing his office from the executive funding bill next week. Makes sense.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by crockett
sweet so lets go invade him and throw his bellybutton in getmo
:D :D :D
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0607/4679.html?source=rss
As I mentioned above, he was about to have his funding under the Executive Branch funding bill removed. Mr. Cheney has reconsidered his stance that he's not part of the executive branch as a result.
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Ya just got to love politics.
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The only way this could get better is for Dick to go hunting again.
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its all the dems have ..
makes you wonder if they do win out in 08 are they going to go cannibal on themselves??
LOL LOL LOL
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Originally posted by Eagler
its all the dems have ..
makes you wonder if they do win out in 08 are they going to go cannibal on themselves??
LOL LOL LOL
It's all the Dem's have? Somehow a topic about Cheney not even knowing what branch of the govt he's in is now the Dem's fault? Some of you right wingers sure do live in your own little fairy tale land.
Funny stuff, I guess the liberal media must have tricked Cheney in to being a moron.
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And here I thought only the Democrats (aka Kerry) flip flop! :eek:
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I'm wondering what parts of this story have been conveniently left out, considering the source (Raw Story, left wing rag)
by all means post a link to a right wing news site that will rationally explain the entire situation.
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Originally posted by jhookt
by all means post a link to a right wing news site that will rationally explain the entire situation.
I don't have one. Looks like Cheney pulled a "Kerry".
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I'm ready to kick Bush, Cheney and the whole Senate out over this stupid amnesty bill they are trying to sneak past us. If it weren't for the cursed conservative talk radio they might have gotten away with it. I can well understand why the enemies of liberty want to crush talk radio.
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The quote that AKiron posted makes perfect sense. He's not saying he "isn't part of the executive branch" he's saying for the purposes of securing classified info he is not.
Keep in mind all you 70%ers that the VP has a role in the senate. I would fully agree that he would want to protect his office and staff from a frothing at the mouth witch hunt.
Every time Cheny's name is mentioned all you see is demcrats looking like a dog that want the "ball to be thrown"
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Every time Cheny's name is mentioned all you see is demcrats looking like a dog that want the "ball to be thrown"
(http://www.petplanet.co.uk/shop_dev/assets/new_product_images/hyperdog/hyperdog2ball.jpg)
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Well, It mat have been a stupid statement, or maybe he was misunderstood. Either way, if he'd have just shoved the papers down his pants and ran I'm sure we wouldn't be talking about this:aok
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I don't have one. Looks like Cheney pulled a "Kerry".
Why do you hate America? Can't you support our troops instead of emboldening the enemy?
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Whoops! He's not part of the executive branch again:
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/white-house-lets-leahys-deadline-pass-2007-08-20.html
This really must make billing complicated, which department code does he put into the Xerox?
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Originally posted by jhookt
by all means post a link to a right wing news site that will rationally explain the entire situation.
How about I post some of the constitution?
Article 2, Section 1. The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:
As the VP is elected under the rules of ART 2, The executive branch, it seems he is a member of the executive. He has no power under this article as "The executive power shall be vested in a President"
Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
But here is Art 2 section 4 that speaks of "all civil officers", which includes members of the judiciary. So just because the office of VP is mentioned here in Art 2, does not necesarily mean VP is within the executive, as the Judiciary is mentioned, and it is certainly not within the executive branch.
Art 1, Sec 3: The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided.
Here is a passage within the description of the Senate that outlines the VP power as a legislative one...
The VP's only constitutional function in the executive branch is to fill a vacancy. The Speaker of the House and President pro tempore of the Senate have this same function, and they are members of the legislative branch.
I see it as an interesting constitutional argument that as the VP's only power as VP a legislative power, and therefore could be considered a legislator.
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I'm kinda looking forward to Dems winning in 08. I wonder what Lew and the
rest of the commie horde can cry about then? :D
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Originally posted by Rino
I'm kinda looking forward to Dems winning in 08. I wonder what Lew and the
rest of the commie horde can cry about then? :D
I am almost to the same point... I hope for a democratic victory just so the whining will stop. Then we can see how well they deal with all the problems going on.
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Originally posted by Tiger
I am almost to the same point... I hope for a democratic victory just so the whining will stop. Then we can see how well they deal with all the problems going on.
So Republicans don't whine?
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approval poll for the democratic controlled congress is down to 18%, 08 not looking good.