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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Connery on June 21, 2007, 06:37:22 PM
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ok ok this thread isnt meant to be a flamefest or a name and shame lets get that right from the outset.
I would like to ask, has "kill stealing" become rife recently ?
We all know it takes many forms, from out and out blatant shooting the fuselage of a wingless aircraft as it falls to the deck, to more subtle techniques like person a calls his target dives in someone decides to race person A to it and normally comes booming past and person A ends up maybe kill shooting him or herself.
I would say that latter isn't really kill stealing, but more of a frustration.
I am posting this because I have seen a few people mention it, and I've been witness to it a LOT recently...
Your thoughts please, and remember I don't want this to be a flame thread or a name and shame thread. Perhaps someone could post the etiquette of the game and the unwritten rules in case any new players are reading :)
Thanks guys
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i can handle someone blowing by me killing someone i just dove on. But i have seen a lot more one winged planes being chased by people that didn't put a shot into disabling it in the first place.
last night was the first time i really got fustarted with it. One guy in particular that stayed above the fight and then dove on planes that were on fire or missing wings. Same guy was also playing General from 15k telling people to protect the m3's and kill the ack so that may have been part of what p***ed me off.
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I steal kills as often as possible. It's great hearing people cry.
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What I don't like is seeing the tracers go past my wing without so
much as a courtesy call first. Let me know if you're going past or shooting
so I don't have to wonder if the tracers are from a bad guy or not.
More than once I have watched multiple friendlies chasing a bandit into
a friendly without a headsup from any of them.
As far as the pathetic disabled enemy vultchers, I feel sorry for them
if that's the only way they can score. Bad guys are like Doritos, they'll
always make more.
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I just hate looking on dar and seeing an incoming horde approaching, then see 10 green guys chasing 1 red guy in another direction otd... oh well... more for me.
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i'm tired greedy shy score putas vets saving kills and points for retirement always complaining about poor nobs strafing a wounded plane,
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Chasing wingless planes to the ground while spraying it the whole time will last till September. Remember it's sqeaker season. Tunnel vision is a tough thing to explain to someone. And just think of the bragging rights when Junior High starts. :rofl
LTARsqrl <>
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Nobody complains when they get a late kill credit that somebody else actually shot down. It all evens out in the end. I dont worry about it, put lead on target and let the credit falls where it may. If some squeaker needs to shoot at a flaming wing, f-it, who cares.
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The way I see it:
(Halcyon's unofficial AH2 rules)
1. Fly courteous, fly fair (no cable pulling, terrain glitching, etc.), fly fun. Doing the first two ensures the third.
2. Ask permission to help teammates. If the don't need it, don't intervene the dogfight.
3. Respect your teammates. Don't insult them or others, because you're just burning your bridges.
4. Mind your surroundings. Cutting off someone in a furball usually gets them killed.
5. Respect the radio. It's a privilege, not a right.
I've follow these rules everytime I fly, and I always have fun.
(just to note, score means jack in this game. Shooting disabled aircraft tells me you're a score potato and automatically turns you into a dweeb)
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Has anyone been killed by a "Spits Dead"? I only have problems with people who call their kills, when they are not dead.
They are dead when they turn into a ball of flame. I won't shoot any anything that is going down. If anyone need a kill bad enough, your welcome to anything I wing. This attitude sure makes the game more enjoyable to me :)
Gunner
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This is why I have not played in over a month. IL2 1946 has got me my fix. Yes it is on a smaller scale, but I don't have to play the same boring bellybutton maps, listen to squeakers as they die, deal with kill stealing, hording, wanna be master and commanders and stupid flying (most of the time).
I don't know what to tell you about kill stealing. I don't like it. But what can you do? HTC is making good money off of his current set up. So there isn't a need to fix it I guess.
-Spot
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My very first time in the arena I dove after a falling plane on fire. Then a guy politely told me that is not a good thing to do as many people will get mad. Since he was so polite I listened and learned. I don't do it anymore because I'd rather die trying to get a real kill then just get some cheap kill. Now, if some squeaker started yelling at me, I would just keep diving and firing. :aok
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"Finish him off next time! WOO WOOOOOOOO"
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Originally posted by Grits
"Finish him off next time! WOO WOOOOOOOO"
Heard that about you.
Sinner.
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Originally posted by Grits
"Finish him off next time! WOO WOOOOOOOO"
What ever happened to that video?
:lol
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Grits always was into sloppy seconds......:eek:
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Originally posted by soda72
What ever happened to that video?
:lol
It's on You Tube, among several other places . . .
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Originally posted by ghi
i'm tired greedy shy score putas vets saving kills and points for retirement always complaining about poor nobs strafing a wounded plane,
and he ended with a ,
he must have gotten discoed...:D
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Originally posted by Connery
ok ok this thread isnt meant to be a flamefest or a name and shame lets get that right from the outset.
I would like to ask, has "kill stealing" become rife recently ?
We all know it takes many forms, from out and out blatant shooting the fuselage of a wingless aircraft as it falls to the deck, to more subtle techniques like person a calls his target dives in someone decides to race person A to it and normally comes booming past and person A ends up maybe kill shooting him or herself.
I would say that latter isn't really kill stealing, but more of a frustration.
I am posting this because I have seen a few people mention it, and I've been witness to it a LOT recently...
Your thoughts please, and remember I don't want this to be a flame thread or a name and shame thread. Perhaps someone could post the etiquette of the game and the unwritten rules in case any new players are reading :)
Thanks guys
well...i guess in a way i may or may not be guilty of this.....see...my marksmanship REALLY sucks......although its getting better. so, here's the scenario.......i'm fighting this bogie.....lets say its a spit9, vs my hurri2(EW and i still need the cannons) so i can easily outturn him about 1/2 the time, i pop a few rounds at him, but miss....or possibly see a flash on the very tip of his wing. regardless,,this is going on for a couple of minutes now.....then suddenly, with no warning or calls, i hear an engine bearing down on me hard and fast.....as i'm just about to squeeze the trigger again, i don'yt look back..then next i know, there comes a friendly blasting past me from the ionosphere, fires a single burst, and disables my bogie......then he climbs back up to safety........in this instance, i DO follow my bogie all the way down, shooting at him till i break his plane more for him. so i guess in a sort of way i'm stealing that kill. but i'm stealing the kill that was stolen from me....so am i really stealing the kill then? or did the friendly steal it from me forcing me to have to steal it back from him for stealing it from me?
:rofl :rofl
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CAP1:
then next i know, there comes a friendly blasting past me from the ionosphere
You play for the Rooks don't ya. LOL
In that instance you are just claiming what is yours. But all to often, it is when 3 or more planes chase a plane and the first plane shoots off the enemies wing. As the plane goes down, the three other boneheads chase it to the ground guns blazing intentionally trying to steal the kill from the person that shot the wing off. :huh Now how lame is that.
LTARsqrl <>
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Kills stolen= Assists x hit % :lol
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Very thin line between eliminating a threat and stealing a kill. Sometimes burning zeros can carry on fighting for over a minute.
Elevator kills the guy could be having a nice (trip) back to earth and maybe a friendly thinks he is still up or stalling out. I always call those on range vox so people around me know he is dead.
Half the time people see the nearest red icon and fly straight to it like a bull in a china shop. Oblivious of the other 10 guys inbound. If you see a guy on someones 6 or duking it out leave them too it and find another enemy. Unless they are squealing for help.
There are other times where I might be RTB to find a runway warrior or porking princess getting chased by a couple of friendlies. If I have E to kill him quick my shot would make quick work of him whereas the friendlies might be sitting there spraying. Whatever it takes to get the field clear and for me to re-arm or land quicker.
Bruv
~S~
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Originally posted by LTARsqrl
CAP1:
You play for the Rooks don't ya. LOL
funny ya should say......in LW, yes...thats when the scenario imentioned usually happens.....in EW i fly knights......doesn't happen so much there.....
In that instance you are just claiming what is yours. But all to often, it is when 3 or more planes chase a plane and the first plane shoots off the enemies wing. As the plane goes down, the three other boneheads chase it to the ground guns blazing intentionally trying to steal the kill from the person that shot the wing off. :huh Now how lame is that.
yes...that is very lame.......
LTARsqrl <>
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I always make it a practice to watch what's going on in the fight before actually engaging. Many times I don't even engage because the green dots are winning and one extra set of guns won't help a whole lot so I'll be on the lookout for other baddies coming into the AO.
The only times I'll actually ever zoom on an enemy engaged in a dogfight with a friend is if I see the enemy gain an overwhelming advantage, in which case I'll fly like a bat out of hell to try and bail out the friendly.
Never heard any complaints, but I have gotten killed several times for it.
(Where does that bloody damned spitfire come from? Seriously every time I bail out a friendly and am about to return to alt there's a spitfire on my tail from nowhere...)
I don't see the whole point behind getting upset of kill stealing, having played MMORPGS for the past decade or so kill stealing is fairly common. However AH has a uniqe aspect in which you simply don't help the not-so-friendly out if he steals your kill. If he's so bad a pilot he has to chase a burning wreck to the ground to get his perk points then he'll get into trouble pretty easily.
Karma can sometimes be the deadliest of flak.
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One wonders how many of this new batch of "tunnell visioned kill stealers" will one day vie for first place fighter scores. It's only an extension of the "picking" strategy employed by so many. They just wait for someone else to do a bit more of the dirty work before claiming the prize.
It's not surprising that this post comes after a "fighter town" rotation. Big furballs are the worst scenarios for gentlemanly fights. Sometimes there's just too much going on.
In time it will ebb when the new batch of flyers gets yelled at , or sees someone else yelled at for less than courteous behavior.
My suggestions;
- If you come across an engagement ask if help's needed. If no answer, try to
figure out if you should join the fight as a TEAM player. Let the other friendly
get the kill if he can. Try to keep the enemy guessing by maneuvering
within the fight but try to stay clear of the shot path.
- Walk (or fly) away from conga lines.
- Avoid burning planes, if they turn to you KILL them. Unless they pose a
threat to your side
All said, I still sometimes get between shooter and shootee, occasionall fire at a disabled plane (offset shot, can't see target), or make a pass through a tracer stream while trying to get an angle. Sorry to all when I do. I would rather you know me as a guy who has your six and can be called upon when it gets hairy than a guy who you need to watch out for lest you waste time fighting for the betterment of my kill ratio.
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BooHoo-BKs are whiners:p
guys good fights!
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Halcyon has the first 5 down, but here are the ones I'd add:
6. Give the other guy the benefit of any doubt - chances are 99 out of 100 he's not doing "whatever" intentionally just because it p***es you off.
7. Play to your own satisfactions, and grant others mental "permission" to play to theirs - even if the aspects of the game that you each enjoy are very different. There is room for everyone to enjoy themselves that way.
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Originally posted by Thruster
It's not surprising that this post comes after a "fighter town" rotation.
Thruster Last night there was no FT map in play and it was possibly THE worst night since I've been back - One flight I got 9 assist's of which at least 5 should have been my kills.
Either way as people say it will balance out, I just feel that with the squeekers, some of us more experienced players could perhaps throw them some pointers on etiquette if we see this happening in the MA :)
cya up tonite guys!
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I like sarcasm.
"Thanks for clearing that bandit off my 12" means $%*^%$&^#^@#^%#^&((*^(*&(*^(*^(*^)&^#%#))(&*.
Unless it's a squaddie, then it's expected and followed by some form of "neener, neener, neener" on squad channel.
HONK!
Gooss