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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Odee on June 22, 2007, 07:38:54 AM
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Effective July 1 in the Commonwealth of Virginia, any traffic ticket, with the exception of regular speeding, will carry heavy civil penalties in addition to the fine and court costs that you will have to pay.
The legislation creates “civil remedial fees” to be
assessed against Virginia residents convicted of certain motor vehicle-related or driving
crimes.
Here are just a few of the extra fines............
- Driving on a suspended or revoked permit - Civil penalty $750.00 + the court cost & fines
- Reckless Driving - Civil penalty $1,050.00 + the court cost & fines
- DUI - 1st offence - Civil penalty $2,250.00 + the court cost & fines
- Failure to give proper signal - Civil penalty $1,050.00 + the court cost & fines
- Leaving the scene of an accident - Civil penalty $3,000.00 + the court cost & fines.
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Be careful when you driving Virginia. Tell your friends.
This is the website that lists the offenses and how much each civil penalty is.
http://www.courts.state.va.us/publications/hb_3202.pdf
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The legislation creates “civil remedial fees” to be assessed against Virginia residents convicted of certain motor vehicle-related or driving crimes.
Only Virginia residents so the rest of us drivers won't get the extras.
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Originally posted by Odee
- Driving on a suspended or revoked permit - Civil penalty $750.00 + the court cost & fines
- Reckless Driving - Civil penalty $1,050.00 + the court cost & fines
- DUI - 1st offence - Civil penalty $2,250.00 + the court cost & fines
- Failure to give proper signal - Civil penalty $1,050.00 + the court cost & fines
- Leaving the scene of an accident - Civil penalty $3,000.00 + the court cost & fines.
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Driving Suspended: Too cheap; maybe $2500.
DUI: WAY too cheap; $5k would be about right.
Proper Signal: Way too high...WAY too high. They should fugedabowdit.
Leaving the Accident: another $5k is fine by me.
Just my .02.
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Originally posted by Odee
Effective July 1 in the Commonwealth of Virginia, any traffic ticket, with the exception of regular speeding, will carry heavy civil penalties in addition to the fine and court costs that you will have to pay.
- Failure to give proper signal - Civil penalty $1,050.00 + the court cost & fines
http://www.courts.state.va.us/publications/hb_3202.pdf
This is the only one on the list here I thought of as excessive.
While the others to me seemed about right.
About 25 years ago I received a ticket for "Driving on the suspended list"
(which I beat,and without a lawyer I might add)
The fine back then would have been $500 plus court costs
Im kinda surprised that that one hasnt reached at least $1,000
The rest seem right to me
But
As muich as it annoys the hell out of me when other people do it.
I think having to pay $1,050.00 for forgetting to use your directional blinker is a bit much
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Seeing as how I live in Virginia, I can tell you the blinker fine should be more than it is. I don't know how many times I've almost been in an accident because some soccer mom in her minivan is to damn busy yacking on her cell phone and not paying attention to driving and has cut me off. One hand on the wheel , the other on the cell, who cares about the turn signal, I'm coming over into your lane right now.
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Originally posted by Hornet33
Seeing as how I live in Virginia, I can tell you the blinker fine should be more than it is. I don't know how many times I've almost been in an accident because some soccer mom in her minivan is to damn busy yacking on her cell phone and not paying attention to driving and has cut me off. One hand on the wheel , the other on the cell, who cares about the turn signal, I'm coming over into your lane right now.
It's the cell phone dude. talking on cell phone while driving... should be same penalty as driving while impaired because technically, one would be.
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Mac
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Oh I agree 100% it's the cell phone. If I'm driving in traffic I don't use mine. Pisses my girlfriend off because she'll call me and 9 times out of 10 I wont answer and if I do I'll pick up and say "I'm driving right now." and hang up.
Hell most military bases it's illegal to talk on a cell phone while driving on base now. It should be that way all over the country in my opinion.
I mean geez, people always want to talk about how guns kill people all the time, how about all the people that are killed everyday in a car crash because some idiot thought his phone call was more important that controling the several TONS of vehicle he's driving down the road at 55mph?
At least most gun owners actualy think about the responsibilty they have for protecting themselves and others when it comes to their firearms. People will hop in a car and not give saftey a second thought, and when an accident happens the public opinion is, o'well accidents happen, no big deal.
OK I'm off my soap box now.
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"Aggressive Driving" is defined as operating a motor vehicle in violation of any speed law and a violation of two or more of the following traffic law provisions: (1) obedience to traffic control devices; (2) overtaking on the right; (3) driving within a traffic lane; (4) following too closely--interval between vehicles; (5) yielding right of way; (6) entering the roadway; (7) use of turn signals; (8) relating to school buses, special stops, stop signs and yield signs; and, (9) use of emergency break-down lane for travel.
$500
This is additional to whatever moving violations committed.
Bronk
Edit: I believe also up to 30 licence suspension also .
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In addition, this weekend is the "Air, Land, and Speed" (I did not make that up) campaign by the VA State Police to crack down on speeding and to severely enforce the speed limits on major interstates. I saw ~6 Troopers between Roanoke and Blacksburg (when on an average day I see only 1-2) this morning on I-81. Which comes as no surprise, people regularly do 10-15 mph over the posted speed limit on I-81. However, in order to not get run over you have to go with the flow of traffic and do 5-10 over the limit. The only problems I see are when yahoos (8 times out of 10 from out-of-state) driving very aggressively, swerving in and out of lanes, using no signal, and tailgating; which just makes it more dangerous than it has to be.
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Originally posted by AWMac
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four cops to arrest one little girl? no wonder america has a high crime rate, cops too busy "protecting and serving".
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Originally posted by Hornet33
Seeing as how I live in Virginia, I can tell you the blinker fine should be more than it is. I don't know how many times I've almost been in an accident because some soccer mom in her minivan is to damn busy yacking on her cell phone and not paying attention to driving and has cut me off. One hand on the wheel , the other on the cell, who cares about the turn signal, I'm coming over into your lane right now.
You've got a point.
My sister lives in Va. And I go visit her a few times a year.
Va is the only place where I have experienced two things.
Traffic tieups do to the Sun "Sun delay"
And seen people riding their breaks while going UP hill
LOL I watermelon you not
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Originally posted by Hornet33
Oh I agree 100% it's the cell phone. If I'm driving in traffic I don't use mine. Pisses my girlfriend off because she'll call me and 9 times out of 10 I wont answer and if I do I'll pick up and say "I'm driving right now." and hang up.
Hell most military bases it's illegal to talk on a cell phone while driving on base now. It should be that way all over the country in my opinion.
I mean geez, people always want to talk about how guns kill people all the time, how about all the people that are killed everyday in a car crash because some idiot thought his phone call was more important that controling the several TONS of vehicle he's driving down the road at 55mph?
At least most gun owners actualy think about the responsibilty they have for protecting themselves and others when it comes to their firearms. People will hop in a car and not give saftey a second thought, and when an accident happens the public opinion is, o'well accidents happen, no big deal.
OK I'm off my soap box now.
Make a mental note as well next time you drive. Observe how many law enforcement officers are talking on a cell and driving. One day about 2 months ago I counted 6 out of 10 cops doing just that. And I do the samething when my wife calls, "I'm driving, I'll call you back." It's amazing to me how many people in this country think that driving requires little or no effort and then ***** when they get in accident. It's NEVER their fault. Eh, don't even get me started on drunk titty dancers behind the wheel...
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Originally posted by Toad
Proper Signal: Way too high...WAY too high. They should fugedabowdit.
Me thinks the others are just there to justify this money maker.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Me thinks the others are just there to justify this money maker.
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner...
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Virginia went downhill about 1865.
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I've got nothing against the DUI and leaving the scene fines, but I'd think those ought to be part of the basic law and sentencing guidelines rather than done as special cases. It's hard to argue against the revenue generation accusation when they bypass the usual legal process to highlight certain crimes for additional fines.
I have NO PROBLEM with setting fines and enforcement to directly modify undesirable behavior or arrest negative anti-social behavior trends (DUI comes to mind) but arbitrary fines on top of existing laws and guidelines isn't the right way to do that IMO.
That's why Lazs and I will agree to disagree on helmet laws... It's a known fact that helmet use directly decreases the costs incurred by our health care system, so helmet laws are a direct attempt to create a social change. The current push for seat belt use is the same. It is a highly targeted effort to adjust people's behavior because certain behaviors have strong negative social impacts. But broad-brush and arbitrary fine increases across a variety of offenses sounds like a way to increase revenue.
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I wonder what they will do if you are not able to pay the fine. Imprisonment? Probation (with all it's little joys attached)? Maybe they will just suspend your license....wait a sec...
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Yah... these fines are added on to the normal fines...
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
You've got a point.
My sister lives in Va. And I go visit her a few times a year.
Va is the only place where I have experienced two things.
Traffic tieups do to the Sun "Sun delay"
And seen people riding their breaks while going UP hill
LOL I watermelon you not
watermelon man... I can show you 4 spots from Springfield to Fredericksburg where the "hammer lane" comes to a stop for absolutely no reason other than poor merging and lane changers.
And the rubber neckers! God forbid the cops got someone pulled over for a ticket, because 99% of the idiots on I-95 just feel they HAVE to slow down and see who it is!
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Who cares, just obey the law and it will never affect you.
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eagl... we certainly do not agree on helmets and seatbelt laws. If you think that personal freedom should be tied to how much expense may be incurred by others and that laws should be passed to curb behavior that may cost money... we do not agree.
But... I also agree that everyone should be personaly responsible. I have insurance. I have vehicle and medical insurance.
What costs have your laws brought down? what are you doing with that huge rebate that everyone got when the helmet and seatbelt laws came in? did you buy a home with it? what are you doing with the huge reductions in medical insurance you are seeing every month?
Nooo... that is one of the reasons I am against national health... millions die because of alcohol or candy or fat in foods... a case can (and will be) made for banning all those things... they cost me money... as does hiking and swimming and a myriad of other things.
I am willing to state to my various insurance companies that I do not use seatbelts about half the time and that I do not wear a helmet and I am willing to pay extra (more than you) based on what they think it is worth.
I have put 50,000 miles on my lincoln and not worn the seatbelts once. I wear the seatbelt in the el camino and Healey.. both lap belts, all the time.
I have my reasons that, except for conversational reasons, are none of your nanny frigging business.
lazs
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as for the other laws mentioned... the ones about driving without a licence or drunk driving have some merit.
The ones about turn signal or cell phone of whatever are insane. The crime is little unless it causes a problem... once the problem occurs then the fact that there was no signal or the guy was using a cell phone should be taken into account as a negligence matter.
An example would be... you are at a country road with no other car on the road in sight. you turn but don't use the signal and... horror of horror.. you are on the phone! A cop in an unmarked car is parked behind some trees and sees you.
What should the penalty be?
See the problem? you add all these multipliers and then you lose the ability to reason.
lazs