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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: stroker71 on June 22, 2007, 11:35:55 AM
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Is there a graph somewhere on plane usage? I would love to see it.
I played around in the TA dive bombing with the A20 and felt I would use it in the game. Seems like when I started using it and landing kills I saw more of them. Now when I am in a GV I dred seeing A20 coming at me more the IL2's. Or is it like when you buy a new car, think you bought something unique and see 50 of them on the way home!
Stroker1 of (+)
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There are other bombers that get used more... Like P-38 for example...
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
There are other bombers that get used more... Like P-38 for example...
Who do you think you are calling a P38 a bomber. :furious :mad: :furious :mad: :furious
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Ahh, airliner then, it's got a yoke, no? :noid
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P38 isnt a bomber its a fighter/jabo.
and it SUCKS!!!:t
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I love the A20, "snake in the grass"....
It would be truly awesome, if it had the right kind of bombs...
OG
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Originally posted by Larry
P38 isnt a bomber its a fighter/jabo.
Hehe, that's urban legend...
Lockheed had great tradition converting airliners into bombers. Hudson, Ventura. etc... Lightning was no exception.
Sorry S.A.P.P., I had to get that off my chest :p
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
There are other bombers that get used more... Like P-38 for example...
Baaaahhahahahaahha he bit me to it :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Larry
P38 isnt a bomber its a fighter/jabo.
and it SUCKS!!!:t
Just those that use it as a jabo. Those that dont use it as a jabo are generally good sticks. :p
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Originally posted by OdinGrunherze
I love the A20, "snake in the grass"....
It would be truly awesome, if it had the right kind of bombs...
OG
and what would the "right" bombs be?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
and what would the "right" bombs be?
1000 pounder like other bombers carry (hint hint p-38) :rofl
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Hehe, that's urban legend...
Lockheed had great tradition converting airliners into bombers. Hudson, Ventura. etc... Lightning was no exception.
You got it all wrong... Lockheed made the P38 as a bomber first, then added troop carrying DTs. So the airliner came after the bomber, get it right!
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Your bait is dead and your hook is rusty.
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Originally posted by Raptor
You got it all wrong... Lockheed made the P38 as a bomber first, then added troop carrying DTs. So the airliner came after the bomber, get it right!
Apologies to S.A.P.P. pilot union for my utter ignorance. :o
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Originally posted by stroker71
Is there a graph somewhere on plane usage? I would love to see it.
There is none.
You can only estimate plane usage by adding kills&deaths a plane has in a given tour. Works more or less for all planes but the Ar234.
In current tour, the A-20 is ranked #40. Two tours ago, it was ranked #41, four tours ago #46
So I guess it has not really become more popular.
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Originally posted by Delirium
Your bait is dead and your hook is rusty.
I've heard the rumors you guys got better benefits than NWA, AA, DL and UAL combined :O
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Right kind of bomb's???
500lb'ers with delay fusing or parachutes... Just enough to allow the plane to clear the blast area...
Right now I can fly in and out fairly easily between the trees, avoiding most of the flak, because they cant see me... But if I drop at 50 feet, my own bombs kill me... Thats major BS man....
Thats how they used them in reality!!!
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A-20 is a sweet plane.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
1000 pounder like other bombers carry (hint hint p-38) :rofl
.salvo 2
there's your 1000lbers
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LOL, good film of lowlevel frag attack.... But the vertical drop, Very funny...
LOL no wind is right.... The bombs would scatter everywhere in reality....
Overall:aok
OG
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Originally posted by OdinGrunherze
Right now I can fly in and out fairly easily between the trees, avoiding most of the flak, because they cant see me... But if I drop at 50 feet, my own bombs kill me... Thats major BS man....
It's not BS...that's what happened if you dropped bombs below the safe altitude.
ack-ack
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Just love how you selectively quote people...
Thats Chickensquat... But being a grown man, I realize that children do that...
You avoid the whole point of my reply to your Q.....
Which is correct, and you know it...
OG
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I've used the A20 for awhile now. Typically for finishing off a CV or killing a spawn camper. It's ok at a fighter once you get rid of the bombs and it's surprisingly fast. It can out run quite a few fighters if you dive it to the deck and wep the hell out of there.
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I find the B26 is comparable in some ways to the A20G. Not as manueverable, but man does it pack a punch.
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Just love how you selectively quote people...
Thats Chickensquat... But being a grown man, I realize that children do that...
You avoid the whole point of my reply to your Q.....
Which is correct, and you know it...
The only statement you made that was correct was the part of you dying to your bomb blast after dropping a 500lb. bomb at 50ft.
The A-20 did not carry 500lb parafrag bombs nor did they drop said bombs at 50ft. The safe mimimum altitude was 300ft and they were 23lb fragmentation bombs of which the A-20 was able to carry 40 on wing points.
Skip bombing was different and with a delayed fuse, they did drop those sometimes at wave top level.
ack-ack
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Then I guess the genuine WW2 films of A20's and B25's dropping 500lb'ers with drag chutes, right over the tops of straw huts in the SOPAC are fake right....LOL!!!!
And my reply said NOTHING about parafrags!!!!
Guess again boy!!!
OG
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
This should be fun.
:D
Bronk
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Stroker
go to Community.
Scores.
Kill stats. (using IE expanded link)
Pulldown menu to model vs.
3 pull down menus will then appear.
set them to models.
click GO
If my verbage was to confusing here is a linky.
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/105score/105stats.pl
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(http://www.screenshotart.com/uploads/post-1709-1132486976_thumb.jpg)
Sssh...
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lol, gotta love the "Mean People Suck"
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Originally posted by OdinGrunherze
I love the A20, "snake in the grass"....
It would be truly awesome, if it had the right kind of bombs...
OG
You mean like:
Internal Bays Options
* 4 × 1,000 lb
* 8 × 500 lb
* 8 × 250 lb
* 12 × 100 lb
Wings - 4 Mount Points Options
* 14 x 5-inch rockets
* 8 X 5-inch rockets and 2 -230 gallon drop tanks
* 4 × 500 lb
* 4 × 250 lb
6 X .50's X 400 rpg in the wing leading edge
8 X .50's X 400 rpg in the nose
4 X .50's X 500 rpg in two twin barbette mounts.
....and powered by a pair of Pratt & Whitney R-2800-27 "Double Wasp" 18-cylinder radial engines; Horsepower: 2000 HP each (1,500 kW) ?
Oh, wait, that was the A-26B Invader. Nevermind.
As to why A-20G's might be seen more may be the difficulty some IL-2 pilots are having taking out Shermans since their introduction. So, instead of gunning them down with Hurri-2D's and IL2's, they are getting buff-dived with ord. Putting all those .50's into GV's afterward can get a pilot some kills and assists.
As to the P-38's... it's always nice to see a P-38 cruise missile auger into the target it JABO'd a moment before. Pure talent.
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Yeah, the A26 was A**KICKIN TOO....
OG
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Originally posted by OdinGrunherze
Yeah, the A26 was A**KICKIN TOO....
OG
Now for the obligatory ted whine.
Bronk
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Originally posted by OdinGrunherze
Then I guess the genuine WW2 films of A20's and B25's dropping 500lb'ers with drag chutes, right over the tops of straw huts in the SOPAC are fake right....LOL!!!!
And my reply said NOTHING about parafrags!!!!
Guess again boy!!!
OG
1. Parafrags and bombs with drag chutes are the same thing.
2. The A-20 Havoc only carried parafrags on wingmounts and those were the 23lb fragmentation bomb of which 40 could be mounted on the wings.
3. From the angles of the war footage, what looked like 25ft above a hut in reality was probably around 250-300ft if they were making a bomb run.
4. Bombs needed time to arm, which is why most of them had those little spinners on them. Dropping them at 50ft, even with a drag chute probably wouldn't be sufficient time for the bomb to arm and would be close for the plane to escape the blast radius (a blast radius from a 500lb bomb is quite big).
5. B-25 is a different plane than the A-20, so it may have been able to carry a 500lb parafrag.
Now it's time for you to show your cards. Please, show us video or authentic photograph of an A-20 dropping a parafrag 500 pounder at 50ft.
ack-ack
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I love it when "newbies" come on the boards a pick fights!..... someone pass the popcorn please
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Originally posted by Wolfala
(http://www.screenshotart.com/uploads/post-1709-1132486976_thumb.jpg)
Sssh...
:lol
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Hmmm should be in german :rofl
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I've been flying the A20G for the past few months now and have found it to be great plane for GV killin and surprising unwary pilots. 8 500lbs eggs and 8 .50 cal gun give a decent array of options in dealing with GVs and planes. Once ord has been dropped, the A20G is surprisingly manuverable. The WEP is so so, better than none. It can take some damage and still fly, though Flaks can take it down in 1 to 3 hits--3 being the most mine has ever taken from a Flak and lived. I prefer it over the IL2.
I enjoy the plane very much, wish it had 2000 more MG rounds......:noid
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Originally posted by OdinGrunherze
Then I guess the genuine WW2 films of A20's and B25's dropping 500lb'ers with drag chutes, right over the tops of straw huts in the SOPAC are fake right....LOL!!!!
And my reply said NOTHING about parafrags!!!!
Guess again boy!!!
OG
I don't think I've ever seen a 500 lb drag-chuted bomb. The chute
would have to be enormous, even the high drags they dropped over
Vietnam used mechanical devices .
(http://mofak.com/images/BombsSnakeEyes.jpg)
Oops, upon further research, I was wrong. They still didn't use this
in WW2, but they do have a parachute retarded large bomb.
(http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/FIG2-7.gif)
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
There are other bombers that get used more... Like P-38 for example...
:rofl :rofl :rofl :aok :aok
:rofl :rofl :rofl :aok :aok
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Originally posted by stroker71
Is there a graph somewhere on plane usage? I would love to see it.
I played around in the TA dive bombing with the A20 and felt I would use it in the game. Seems like when I started using it and landing kills I saw more of them. Now when I am in a GV I dred seeing A20 coming at me more the IL2's. Or is it like when you buy a new car, think you bought something unique and see 50 of them on the way home!
Stroker1 of (+)
you actually think you brought the A20 into popularaty :rofl
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not just the bombs are retarded in this thread. :)
On a more serious note: what's the placarded dive speed of the A-20?
If it didnt lose its elevators so quickly it would be a decent fighter.
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Some of the HISTORIC P38 Groups that were equipped with the P38 were
the:
475th Fighter Group
80th Fighter Group
55th Fighter Group
Anybody see the designation BOMBER for a group equipped with a P38? :)
Its a P 38, not a A38 ( as for designation Attack, like A20 )or a B38 ( As in B25, B17 Bombers...)
The 2 highest scoring American FIGHTER aces of the war were Richard Bong ( yes, Bong, as in the pipe some of you are smoking from :) ) and Thomas McGuire...P38 pilots both.
The P38 was a multi role FIGHTER, with the ability to also carry healthy loads of ordinance...just like the modern day F18 Hornet & F16 Falcon....do you P38 is a bomber folks consider those to be bombers too? :p
Everyone in sims uses the term jabo for this, which while correct in summing up the role is actually a German term for a fighter bomber, usually referring to the Fw190 series....is the Fw190 a bomber too ?
Oh, and in WW2 there was no such thing in the American arsenal as a 500 lb parafrag...they were 24 lbs
http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/P/a/Parafrag_Bombs.htm (http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/P/a/Parafrag_Bombs.htm)
While this very well may be bait, consider me with hook fully planted in cheek :) If not, here endeth the history lesson
Whew! Ok, now I feel better....Im going back to my Jack Daniels and P38 Lightning Strikes DVD;)
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Originally posted by leitwolf
not just the bombs are retarded in this thread. :)
On a more serious note: what's the placarded dive speed of the A-20?
If it didnt lose its elevators so quickly it would be a decent fighter.
Here's a tip for pulling out of a 400mph+ IAS dive. Gently pull back on the stick, pull no more than 3Gs. As soon as you pull a hair over 3Gs on the pullout, the elevators will snap. Keep the pull out under 3Gs and you'll be okay, just remember to start your pull out early.
ack-ack
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i know :)
The thing is, having to nurse it out of dive is strange for a bomber without a bombsight (which basically makes it a necessity to dive bomb).
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Sorry Boiz
Had to go to the Motorcycle Races on Sat... Took 3rd place in the main event too... LOL...
Right now I'm digitizing pics from VHS...
Have to go thru a few steps, to get them in my PC...
Oh yeah, I'm waitin for the peanut gallery to fill as well....
Pics coming soon
OG
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Hi,
Here are some Parafrag and parachute retarded bomb pictures from WWII.
A8
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1139_1182692468_scan0001.jpg)
Here are some more...
"Parafrag"
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1139_1182692947_parafragbomb.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1139_1182692966_parafrag-sally.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1139_1182692875_100parademo.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1139_1182692907_250parademo-2.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1139_1182692929_500parademo.jpg)