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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: red26 on June 22, 2007, 01:45:56 PM
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On 11 January 2002,
Joseph J. Foss of Scottsdale, Arizona — a major in the USMC during World War II, a colonel in the USAF during the Korean War, and later a brigadier general with the South Dakota Air National Guard — was attempting to board an America West flight bound for Arlington, Virginia, when airport security held him for 45 minutes while they debated what to do with a variety of suspect items he had about his person. This 86-year-old former governor of South Dakota was on his way to attend a National Rifle Association meeting and to speak to cadets at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, and he carried with him his Medal of Honor, as well as a Medal of Honor commemorative nail file and a dummy bullet which had been made into a key fob.
Each of these items was regarded as a potential security risk by airport personnel: the bullet for being a bullet, the nail file for being a nail file (metal nail files are now banned on flights in the USA), and the Medal of Honor for being a suspicious five-pointed metal object that might have been a weapon (similar to the Japanese throwing discs known hira shuriken).
After being repeatedly searched, Foss was allowed to board the plane with his Medal of Honor, but he had to mail the bullet and nail file home to himself.
:mad: :furious
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So.......veterans should be able to board aircraft with sharp metal objects but the rest of the public should not? Is that the reason for your post?
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
So.......veterans should be able to board aircraft with sharp metal objects but the rest of the public should not? Is that the reason for your post?
I expect crap like that from a kid like you.
Mac
US Army Retired
'75 ~ '95
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Careful who you accuse of the crap slinging.
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
So.......veterans should be able to board aircraft with sharp metal objects but the rest of the public should not? Is that the reason for your post?
Yeah, everyone knows what a threat Medal of Honor winners are to
national security.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Careful who you accuse of the crap slinging.
Watching....
Mac
Seems as another "Post and Run" thread.
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Originally posted by AWMac
I expect crap like that from a kid like you.
Mac
US Army Retired
'75 ~ '95
It's a valid point.
Airport security is an excessive joke.
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Judgement in airport security has been banned in favor of Political Correctness.
I think everyone sees that Joe Foss, aged MOH winner, is just as much a threat to air safety as Mohammed Atta.
You all do see that, don't you?
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Originally posted by Sandman
It's a valid point.
True
Originally posted by Sandman
Airport security is an excessive joke.
excessive and expensive.
I think we should ban air travel all together. For security reasons... And for AWMac...
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Hey didnt we have a thread about this in say........ 2002? When it took place?
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Originally posted by AWMac
I expect crap like that from a kid like you.
Thanks for the compliment, I am actually 39.
My point is that ANYONE, 4 months after 9/11, who doesn't go through the metal detector (because of a pacemaker) that is then found to have lots of metal objects in his jacket pocket (after he was told to take all objects out of the jacket) is bound to get some extra attention from airport security. Do you not remember what a cluster airport security was back then?
I was simply asking what the point of the post was.
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
Thanks for the compliment, I am actually 39.
My point is that ANYONE, 4 months after 9/11, who doesn't go through the metal detector (because of a pacemaker) that is then found to have lots of metal objects in his jacket pocket (after he was told to take all objects out of the jacket) is bound to get some extra attention from airport security. Do you not remember what a cluster airport security was back then?
I was simply asking what the point of the post was.
Yep still a kid. You have no point. Problem is you are not making a point.
Stop spinning.
My point is that ANYONE, 4 months after Alice in Wonderland, who doesn't go through the small hole well (because of a rabbit) that is then found to have lots of time objects in his jacket pocket (after he was told to hurry because he couldn't be late) is bound to get some extra attention from the Queen of Hearts. Do you not remember what a cluster the Tea Party was back then?
Kind of sums it up a bit.
Mac
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Yeah, it's gone too far from the common sense department that's for sure.
Last April I took a flight out to Vancouver. I'm retired military, have a couple of gongs etc...also have a steel plate in my leg that sets off the security scanner. I was nearly strip searched both ways.........odd that we hire people from less secure area's of the world to work security at our airports, and that they cannot seem to understand that there is no way for me to remove my leg prior to going through security.
The real threat to airport security is the ability of all airport employees to have virtually free access to aircraft once they are employed. We have had instances of aircraft groomers (cleaning ladies and gents) walking onto aircraft just to "look around and sit in the Captains seat" ...unescorted.
The Bus and Train are looking better all the time.
cheers,
RTR
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Airport security ehh.
Chopper says it best.:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mA3voZUZrk&mode=related&search=
Bronk
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Originally posted by AWMac
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Wow, you totally lost me on where you were going on your response.
Take the 5 minutes I did and google the late Joseph J. Foss and read the transcript of the interview he did with CNN shortly after his incident with airport security. You may/should/will find that this encounter had next to nothing to do with his service background or the fact that he was carrying the Medal of Honor.
That is my point.
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I remember the incident, and I'm all for increased security...but, as Voltaire said, "Common sense is not so common."
(http://frontpage.americandaughter.com/wp-images/CareerOpportunity.gif)
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this event was several years ago and was completely hashed through back when it happened. Is there something new that makes this newsworthy again or is this just a slow day on the boards?
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Originally posted by AWMac
Watching....
Mac
Seems as another "Post and Run" thread.
Run from what?
Are you sure you want to bring up your service again?
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Originally posted by Sandman
It's a valid point.
Airport security is an excessive joke.
Yep, TSA pulled a guy out of line because he had written on a plastic bag that the head of the TSA sucked. The TSA tried to have the man arrested for being a threat to homeland security and that his comments about the head of the TSA was considered the same as making comments about a bomb. When the cops arrived, they laughed and left. Now the guy is suing the TSA for violating his freedom of speech.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Rino
Yeah, everyone knows what a threat Medal of Honor winners are to
national security.:rolleyes:
You mean especially 86 year old MOH winners.
Well you know what they say. "Common sense" is the least commonly used of all the senses
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Wow.... very old story.
Hearing these kinds of incidents of official stupidity did not make me feel any safer about airport security: That an 80-year old man, WWII veteran, and holder of a medal of honor recipient was considered by airport security as a threat, or considered a key fob made from a non-usable round as a threat, does not fill me with any confidence in the quality of people TSA has in charge of airport security. Plain English: if they are that stupid, a smart person who is actually trying will be able to get past them.
That NONE of the fools from TSA working the gates that day recognized the Medal of Honor comes in a close second.
Around this same time, you had infants showing up on the No-Fly List, and it being enforced at the boarding gates!
Common sense seems to be a liability in getting hired to Federal jobs more and more often.... seems we are taking the ideas of "leveling the playing field" and "lowest common denominator" to the extreme.
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i will never ever fly again, TSA can (deleated).
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Common sense seems to be a liability in getting hired to Federal jobs more and more often.... seems we are taking the ideas of "leveling the playing field" and "lowest common denominator" to the extreme.
TSA pays minimum wage for their screeners, what else do you expect?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Sandman
It's a valid point.
Airport security is an excessive joke.
x1Bogillion
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
You mean especially 86 year old MOH winners.
Well you know what they say. "Common sense" is the least commonly used of all the senses
Rethinking this..it wasn't a Japan Air flight was it? I mean he's already
knocked down about 26 of em so far :D
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What is the point of bringing up an incident from 5 years ago, when the guy (Foss) is dead now?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Run from what?
Are you sure you want to bring up your service again?
No Voss, you can do better than me.
At least I served 20... Tell me about your Service.
Thought so...
Mac
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Foss is as much of a politician as anyone in Wash DC, I definitely feel we aren't getting the whole story or it has been imbelished quite a bit.
Even airport security can't be THAT stupid.
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Originally posted by AWMac
No Voss, you can do better than me.
At least I served 20... Tell me about your Service.
Thought so...
Mac
I don't need to. You are the one using yours as a club to wield against the "kid". Maybe it was the PTSD kicking in that made you do it.
:aok
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I'm wonderin' if every American shouldn't be acquainted with who among us has been awarded the Medal of Honor. It is, afterall, an American award of the highest honor. Even though I served in the military I wouldn't recognize all who hold that esteemed honor. Since our airport screeners are less than likely to recognize all of the names and faces of the prominent among us, I feel that a database (beyond corruption) of those above reproach should be easily accessible to those guardians of our travel. That or three questions should suffice. ;)
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Originally posted by AWMac
Watching....
Mac
Seems as another "Post and Run" thread.
So says the über-trawll of the O'club.
Tardifantastic.
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Originally posted by Sandman
It's a valid point.
Airport security is an excessive joke.
It's not a valid point... the kid took the thread intent way out of context.
And I agree that security is way out of whack at airports and other places... especially when, once past the check point, you can walk about 50 feet and buy another set of nail files from the airport store.
Contracting security... what a farce.
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Airport security rules should apply to all. Over here they do, it does not matter who you are or were at some point in your life.
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It's not a valid point... the kid took the thread intent way out of context.
Contracting security... what a farce.
Its rather funny that you call me a "KID" I have already spent 4 yrs, In the US Army for this country 1 of those years was in Iraq so IM NOT A KID!!!
And right now i am a Contract Security Officer. I work for the County of Denton Texas at the Court House making shure that no wepons come in side the Courts. I use all the same machines that the screeners do in the airports and If I searched someone and I found the CMH I would know what it looked like and If for some reason I didnt there is plenty of guys around me that dose. So please Dont call Contract Security a JOKE "Because you know one day it might be your butt that they might be saving" And Never Call anyone a KID unless you know them. I one of the few Guys from my home school room that can say I have served my country. All the other guys are serving 10 to 20 in a prison some were in Texas.
RED26:aok