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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on June 22, 2007, 07:21:12 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070620/ap_on_re_us/crushed_hot_rods
Crushing the cars in view of the offenders. Perfect! Now they can't say that police confiscate cars to sell them and make money!
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It wasn't really for street racing, since they were confiscated for having stolen parts on the car.
The article said they could only do it by court order and only if the police could prove the VIN had been modified or it had stolen parts in it.
That being said, I don't have any sympathy for these guys, there are tracks all over southern Cali you can race legally at. Though I do not think you should have your property taken away for something as minor as traffic violations.
Granted I have street raced in the past, but not like these dip****s do, we would meet up or run into another fast car and get them to pull over, and then agree to a spot, always a place in the middle of no wear, then meet, race and leave and the only spectators were the people with us. If ANYONE was around we left. Still not the brightest thing to do but boys will be boys.
These guys, at least locally travel in 100 car packs, they sometimes race three cars at once, (one right behind another ricer) and have packs of people watching. I used to work right in an area they raced every weekend. I went out with work friends one Friday night and came back with one to get my car about midnight and there were people everywhere, cars filling the parking lots on both sides of the street, hundreds of people on foot and cars zooming by. Just as we are pulling out cops show up. Cars drove by for a good 3 minutes in a steady stream heading for the freeway. It was like every Honda in the bay area was on gateway BLVD lol.
Another ******* trick I have seen them do more then once was get in a row, side by side and block all the lanes on the freeway and slow it down to 50 and then either 4 or 2 take off when they have a huge gap.
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Crushing the cars in view of the offenders. Perfect! Now they can't say that police confiscate cars to sell them and make money!
i beleive people should keep it at a local drag strip...but i think the crushing of there cars for 13 deaths due to street racing is bullcrap...why dont they crush drunk drivers cars for dwi's? drunk drivers kill alot more than 13 people sence march in cali i bet..lol
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Originally posted by hyena426
i beleive people should keep it at a local drag strip...but i think the crushing of there cars for 13 deaths due to street racing is bullcrap...why dont they crush drunk drivers cars for dwi's? drunk drivers kill alot more than 13 people sence march in cali i bet..lol
Sure, you could crush the DUI offender's cars, but then how would the politicians get to work?
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I used to street race. I was good at it. And I was STILL stupid. We took it out of town, to a deserted road. We took 3 cars. The two to race, and one to carry the guy who flagged the race and the guy who judged the finish line. They carried the money as well. NEVER more than three cars, and maybe seven people, if the guys racing had passengers (who were at the starting line, or waiting at the finish line, not riding). No one got hurt, even though a couple of cars cleaned out some fences and ditches. But we were STILL stupid. And lucky.
Later, the next bunch got busted at least once a month, because 10-20 cars and 100 people went out to watch. Those fools got people hurt, and killed.
I think street racers AND drunks should have their cars confiscated, and sold at auction. And if they owe money on them, they should have to pay the balance.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Sure, you could crush the DUI offender's cars, but then how would the politicians get to work?
Isn't that the truth :rofl
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the main problem is there isnt enough tracks and todays youngsters are Idiots.
they pick very stupid places to race ..industrial zones, city streets , ect .
Back when I used to race we always went out to the deserted country roads were you could see for 20 miles on a clear night and cars never lined the road from the start line on .
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Today's assignment: Compare and contrast the street racing scenes from American Graffitti vs. The Fast and the Furious. Assigment is due tomorrow.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
That being said, I don't have any sympathy for these guys, there are tracks all over southern Cali you can race legally at.
I hate to ear that. Spend 40 min+ in traffic to drive to Irweendale drag racing track, that's available on Thursday night. Wait in line for 1 hour to make a pass, get lucky so you can race against your buddy. Spend the whole evening waiting in the car, get away with making 2 to 3 passes.
In the other hand, runing 70-120MPH in the streets is unacceptable.
More access to drag strips AND road courses! ... without having to spend $250 for the day at your local road course at the monthly open house.:cry
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Having had the misfortune to have contact with numerous repeat DUI offenders I have no problem what so ever with crushing their cars. paid for or not. I've been hit by a DUI driver and even arrested the same one 3 times in 2 weeks and they STILL drove a vehicle. Until you take the damn thing away from them they will drive, license or not.
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Wrong move to make IMO. If a street racer knows that if he's caught his car will be crushed it's just going to lead to more pursuits. I know that if somebody was going to crush my '68 Cougar they'd have a fight on their hands. Street racing is dangerous and stupid but there are more effective ways to crack down on it.
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Suave,
Why did you post your picture? Didn't you learn anything from Nilsens experiance at posting his picture???
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Origanally posted by Roscoroo
the main problem is there isnt enough tracks and todays youngsters are Idiots.
they pick very stupid places to race ..industrial zones, city streets , ect .
Back when I used to race we always went out to the deserted country roads were you could see for 20 miles on a clear night and cars never lined the road from the start line on .
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You're all too right, Rosco. It used to be around here, that there were plenty of open farm roads that were deserted late at night, which people would use for a pass or two. However, with all of the housing and expansion, and all of the people moving here from LA, It's totally changed the flavor of the ol' SR crowd to where I cheer to myself when I see the rice-rockets taking paper from a holstein-sled. The funny thing is, I used to run my fair share of them. But now...crush every damn import they can catch, I say. It's not just the changeup in cars, it's the change in the kind of people who used to run them.
As far as the lack of dragstrips go...as developers' offer more for the land, more track owners are going to get tired of putting up with high insurance, driver's complaints, ever-bigger purses, and seemingly lower turnouts, and just sell the tracks to become houses or condos. THAT part is sad; I have also had the unpleasant experience of taking part of the demise of Los Angeles County Raceway in Palmdale, CA.
Due to a shortsighted business move on Bernie's part, he left the lease of the land open so that Granite, Inc. could operate a Rock-sand-gravel mine there. As the mine expanded, they took a little more of the track, and a little more, a little more...And I ran the D-10T that shoved the Raw material from the mine into the hopper that fed the crushing and sizeing facility.
I left there about a year ago, and the last time I drove by, the Track had almost lost all of its' pit area. I'm thinking that by now, the track is closed, with the Track surface getting ready to be stripped off, so that it can be turned into Gravel, Class A base, and asphalt. I'm glad I took another job before I saw it's final demise.
They also need a cheap Street race-oriented track that has an open schedule to cater to the majority of these racers, if they really want to get them off the streets.
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WHAT??? Crushing their cars in front of them? Some people put all their money and their lives into a good classic car, maybe they run into a guy out on the highway, thinks he can blow the paint off that old car with his new foriegn car, and then he's wondering where the heck you went when you flew by him. If someone crushed my Papaw's car, me and him both would go back to the police on our own, and beat every officer there down. This isn't the problem, the problem is cocky police officers and idiots who can't drive well enough to be racing.
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jeeez... at least let the owners salvage the expensive car parts they bought. Some of the parts they bought are more expensive than the car itself.
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i actually used to race on a regular basis on front street in philly.........but that was years ago when a 12 second car was extremely fast there......i went there to watch about a year ago, and the stupid chits were runnin 9 second track cars....they actually TRAILERED them to a parking lot, unloaded them then raced them.......this is incredibly STUPID as these cars have over 30k invested in them sometimes..............
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Last 'organized' street race I was involved in was over 200 cars, outside Victorville, October 1991. No one parked past the go line, one car was a the finish line well off the road, ..lotta races that night.. it finally broke up as the sun was coming up.
Local Sheriff cruised by a coupla times, ..told the kids to go home about 11pm or so.
Most of us weren't kids.
They stopped and chatted for awhile, one of 'em was a friend of mine who has since gone to the DEA and probably retired by now ..last I heard he was jumpin outta planes in the middle of the night somewhere. He had been in LRRP in Southeast Asia, said bein a Sheriff was boring.
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I agree that local access is needed.. the strips available are overcrowded on any weekend evening.
Been to two test-an-tune days to get myself dialed into my Corvette.. both days were well over 100 cars, both days limited to 3 passes due to crowded staging lanes and the time it takes to prep a track after some yahoo hoses it down with his junk motor.
I will miss the days I used to spend at LACR .. it was a great place to race.
-GE aka Frank
(ya .. 'we' .. the Vette and I .. do .01 - .05 lites now.. cake..and the car runs within .01 of what I dial in at ..we ready for 2008 season brackets -evil grin-..I 'tree'd' *all* of my ricer opponents last time out ..for laffs. )
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Sure, you could crush the DUI offender's cars, but then how would the politicians get to work?
Well, they have been known to ride interns...
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If no one is hurt then the only penalties should be for the infractions... speeding or whatever.
No "extra" penalty needs be assesed. a drag race could get you about 3 tickets most likely not even counting "reckless driving" enough to lose your licence.
I am very careful about who and where I race.
MT.. I was crippled by a drunk driver way back when.. long painful recovery.. I don't like drunk drivers any more than you do but crushing cars seems such a waste to everyone.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
If no one is hurt then the only penalties should be for the infractions... speeding or whatever.
No "extra" penalty needs be assesed. a drag race could get you about 3 tickets most likely not even counting "reckless driving" enough to lose your licence.
I am very careful about who and where I race.
MT.. I was crippled by a drunk driver way back when.. long painful recovery.. I don't like drunk drivers any more than you do but crushing cars seems such a waste to everyone.
lazs
The extra penalties aren't for street racing. They are for if the car is found with stolen parts in it.
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that is different... there are penalties for recieving stolen goods.. I see no sense in crushing a house tho say.. if it had a stolen tv in it.
I see no need to have any extra penalties not associated with theft.
lazs
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I hope they give the parts back to the original owners… for that matter it would be better to give the theft victims the entire care instead of crushing it.
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Originally posted by 1K3
jeeez... at least let the owners salvage the expensive car parts they bought. Some of the parts they bought are more expensive than the car itself.
These are usually the parts that have been stolen.
The other problem is the majority of the street racers tobay are Idiots.
They do a major motor swap, put in huge sway bars so the car will "rotate", and then go race on stock brakes and pads.
If they decide to race on a course with turns, they think that "drifting" the car is the way to go fast around the corner.
Here's some examples of what I 've seen ( I'm a instructor at the local race track) :
A Datsun 260 Z- Chevy 350 motor swapped in, stock brake and pads.
A Evo with roll cage, 4 point harness, but no anti -sub belt.
Last year a guy rented a 350z, rolled it turn 10 and totaled it.
The kid I rode with just this past Friday in a WRX STI - " My next upgrade is gonna be a larger anti- sway bar for the back so I can get the car to rotate in the corner". When I asked him what kind of brake pads he was running on - "Stock".
A kid in another STI whose goal was to practice "trail braking". When I asked how many times he'd been on any track- "This is my first time".
So I say, well, how about we learn the line first, before we worry about trail braking.
The point is, a lot of these guy know the words, but don't understand the physics.
They want to jerk the wheel, stomp on the gas and the brake and look down the hood at the track.
When they shift gears my helmet slams into the seat.
They are amazed when I take them out in my Integra GSR, that has minimal upgrades (suspension and brake pads) and see how fast I go by squeezing on the gas and brakes, and using minimal steering inputs to turn the car.
Most of them don't understand why you should not brake in a corner at speed, or why the backend wants to come around if they even lift the throttle in a corner.
Luckily I'm have the ability to pass on my knowledge in a way that most of them seem to understand.
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That is our problem, as I stated earlier, that people racing today don't know how to drive very well, let alone race driving. I was taught by the two best racers here in Tennessee, and I'm proud of it. And I still have a lot to learn. And when we race, we do it safely, we go out to the middle of nowwhere, or on a four lane highway late at night, or the interstate late at night, and then we race. And our cars are safe, we use stock pads and rotors, and discs, but we use only the best, and we turn our own discs and drums. We also have sway bars in the cars to keep them from swaying. I saw Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift, and I didn't like it. That wasn't racing, that was just stupid. Racing is on a straight tack, or a very large round track.
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you mean "Tokyo Drift" is not a ocean current in the pacific?:O
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Originally posted by McFarland
That is our problem, as I stated earlier, that people racing today don't know how to drive very well, let alone race driving. I was taught by the two best racers here in Tennessee, and I'm proud of it. And I still have a lot to learn. And when we race, we do it safely, we go out to the middle of nowwhere, or on a four lane highway late at night, or the interstate late at night, and then we race. And our cars are safe, we use stock pads and rotors, and discs, but we use only the best, and we turn our own discs and drums. We also have sway bars in the cars to keep them from swaying. I saw Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift, and I didn't like it. That wasn't racing, that was just stupid. Racing is on a straight tack, or a very large round track.
If it's not a on a track, off of public roads, with safety workers, a medical team ( EMT's and a ambulance) and it's not supervised, is not racing, it's reckless driving.
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BTW, just for the record, I don't "Race"
I attend HPDE's, where there is no passing without a point-by, and only in designated passing zones.
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Originally posted by Flit
If it's not a on a track, off of public roads, with safety workers, a medical team ( EMT's and a ambulance) and it's not supervised, is not racing, it's reckless driving.
Supervised? It is not reckless driving, reckless driving is when you swerve all over the road because the police layed down a spike strip. And it's reckless on the police's part. We are safe, we make sure. We have a guy down the road watching for cars, a guy down the road the other way, and we only go for 1/8 and 1/4 mile races. None of that stupid city-city junk.
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There's no such thing as safe racing on a 4-lane highway or interstate at night. All it takes is for one small thing to go wrong and someone dies. At a track there are safety personnel on site to help immediately. On the streets you're at the mercy of response times.
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Originally posted by Cougar68
There's no such thing as safe racing on a 4-lane highway or interstate at night. All it takes is for one small thing to go wrong and someone dies. At a track there are safety personnel on site to help immediately. On the streets you're at the mercy of response times.
Thank you
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say your on the freeway..you go to pass a car that is going a little slower than the speed limit..he speeds up when he see's your coming up on him to pass..you punch it so you can get around him..<~~i know im not the only one this happens to on a regular basis} a cop see's this and decides you must be racing ...he now has the right to crush your car....this law is pure bullcrap and if a cop decides he dont like you..he now has the right to say you were racing..even know you were just tring to pass some freeway jerk...that is the major problem i have with this law..i hope they dont pass the same law in my state...just another way for the cops to have there way with you..lol
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Originally posted by hyena426
say your on the freeway..you go to pass a car that is going a little slower than the speed limit..he speeds up when he see's your coming up on him to pass..you punch it so you can get around him..<~~i know im not the only one this happens to on a regular basis} a cop see's this and decides you must be racing ...he now has the right to crush your car....this law is pure bullcrap and if a cop decides he dont like you..he now has the right to say you were racing..even know you were just tring to pass some freeway jerk...that is the major problem i have with this law..i hope they dont pass the same law in my state...just another way for the cops to have there way with you..lol
Because you didn't read, I"ll repeat it.
They only crush cars found with stolen parts in them.
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Because you didn't read, I"ll repeat it.
ok repeat again please;)<~~ thought it was talking about any alterd part on your car.
still doesnt help..how do you know if your car is illegal? how do you know the carb on your car is not hot? or the transmission? or the rear end? ..and you pass a car..a cop decides you were racing..and boom you loose your car cause of one illegal part that you didnt even know about..i bet money not many people on here has checked the numbers on there transmission to see if its stolen..lol..let alone little peices here and there..lol...so i guess we all better check the numbers on are cars..lol.heck how do you find out if a transmission is stolen? lol let alone buying parts from a salvage yard..i know they dont check the numbers besides on titles...so if you have a fuel filter was reported stolen..and its on your car..you get your car crushed for a 15 dollar filter?