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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: halcyon on June 23, 2007, 01:43:05 AM
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GOD I can't stand this. :mad:
Yea I just got back from playing in the main arena and I'm steamed right now....how DUMB do you have to be to ram a bomber, I mean C'MON! :furious :furious :furious
Did you not see the billion tons of STEEL flying through the air at the speed of snail?! :O
I can't exactly turn out of the way to avoid your dweebiness you bimbos.
God!
ARgh!
Frick frick frick.
I'm going to bed now.
After I inject myself with a tranquilzer or something.
:furious
(this was a heat of the moment post...please excuse all of the above and for futher note I cannot be held accountable for what I wrote here due to temporary insanity....thank you)
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:huh
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I have rammed bombers more than once :D
Come in too fast in a 262 or K4 and it happens when you are target fixated and guns blazing. Doubt anyone with more than their 14 free days do it on purpose as they all know it will not end in their favor.
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It's rather easy to collide with a buff when the pilot switches lead ships and ya get warped into. It's also not too hard to bump into a drone when attacking the lead from the wrong angle.
Other than that, I agree the "dolt" tag should apply :)
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I have rammed bombers more than once :D
DOLT!:D :p :t
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Ah, ramming POS's I should have shot em.
Ill gun fer ya next time Hal.
Cheers
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Greetings,
Ah, yes. The infamous bombers that suddenly appear in front of me. I think it's because they just. don't. fly. dang it. fast. enough. I know, I know, don't blame the slow guy. But that is just the issue. They. are. a. slow. and. available. target.
Don't blame me for diving in to fast. Blame the bomber for being. so. dang. slow.
Honestly, I have rammed buffs. Totally unexpected and unplanned. It has been a while, but I do tend to get a bit 'focused' on that big ol' target.
Regards,
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While doing one of those HARM missions, flying B17s. Had targets all over me, Im focusing on the 190 on my dead six. Hes getting closer and closer, them WHAM! You have colided with so and so. My bomber goes down in flames, he flies away. Its amazing how someone can smack into your six while you're flying in a straight line and yet somehow you colide with them.
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happens all the time....I should make a Post too... I was just on a 26 kill k4 sorty to just be Vulched by a F***** in a Tempest :( :cry :( :furious :mad: :mad: :furious :(
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Worst part is -
Usually as he comes through your buff spraying and collides - you take a pilot wound.
One stage further -
Sitting stationary in an M4 and an LA7 collides with me, he flies off, my turrets gone.
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Originally posted by halcyon
(this was a heat of the moment post...please excuse all of the above and for futher note I cannot be held accountable for what I wrote here due to temporary insanity....thank you)
If you could write that... you were not temporary insane! Sue him! :D
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I remember flying my 190A8 and diving on bombers, 800 out I colide with them. I was flipping on my squad, what a perfect time for those bombers to warp 800 RIGHT into me. I took out the lead from 800 out, was lining up a drone and I colide. Makes me wanna kick a puppy.
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I was under a formation of bombers, pulled up intending to make a guns pass from underneath, misjudged my climb rate and collided. I flew away undamaged while the buff went down in flames.
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Originally posted by halcyon
Did you not see the billion tons of STEEL flying through the air at the speed of snail?! :O
I can't exactly turn out of the way to avoid your dweebiness you bimbos.
People also ram the billion tons of dirt called earth, and not always intentionally.
Accidental crashing into the warping drones is common.
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Bombers are made of aluminum, for the most part (cast iron and some steel in the engines, and steel in the guns) and weigh thousands of pounds. Further, the rate of closure and the inconsistent flight pattern of bombers often combines to cause collisions. Try blowing a bomber in half (literally watching the front half of the fuselage stand straight up vertically and climb 300 feet, as the tail falls away) and being killed by part of the dead bomber's fuselage.
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I'd always like to see more debris from a downed plane instead of the *poof* explosion. Anyways, I've rammed a few bombers in my day. All unintentionally. Usually happen when my closure rate is much more than I anticipated and when I attempt to pull or break away from the attack run I collide.
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The collision modeling in this game is trash IMO...and when attacking Bombers fast and at steep angles(the only smart way to do it) it gets even more ridiculous. you wind up colliding when your screen shows you clear of the bombers or the debris you shear off them. i enjoy stalking bombers in a 262, but losing 150+ perks to game bugginess is no fun so ive given up on it for now.
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Originally posted by Acidrain
The collision modeling in this game is trash IMO...you wind up colliding when your screen shows you clear of the bombers or the debris you shear off them
If you Front End shows that you missed the bombers, then you won't ever take damage from a collision.
Ever.
Not once.
Won't happen.
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Originally posted by Acidrain
you wind up colliding when your screen shows you clear of the bombers or the debris you shear off them. i enjoy stalking bombers in a 262, but losing 150+ perks to game bugginess is no fun so ive given up on it for now.
What WMLute said.
And I might add that debris does no damage at all. It just gives a fancy BANG. That's all.
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It is all due to internet connection...
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And I might add that people colliding with you does no damage to you, only to them.
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A few years back I was in an la5, and found 3 groups of B17s on the deck. I remember flying through each formation, ramming as I went, and downing half of them with no damage. Good times.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
And I might add that people colliding with you does no damage to you, only to them.
Negative, it may be planned to work this way but for a lot of us we know it doesn't. I know I've been rammed from behind in both fighters and bombers and have suffered structural damage. Of course it doesn't happen all that often and I'd have to film every single flight to record it. It'd be interesting if someone did a test in the DA on this. But you'd have to set several variables - mainly ping related, dial up or high speed, 50ms ping to 250ms pings and see what the outcome is.
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Originally posted by Fulmar
Negative, it may be planned to work this way but for a lot of us we know it doesn't. I know I've been rammed from behind in both fighters and bombers and have suffered structural damage. Of course it doesn't happen all that often and I'd have to film every single flight to record it. It'd be interesting if someone did a test in the DA on this. But you'd have to set several variables - mainly ping related, dial up or high speed, 50ms ping to 250ms pings and see what the outcome is.
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This is absolutely not true.
If the collision is on their FE only ("XXX has collided with you"), only they take damage.
If the collision is on your FE only ("You have collided") , only you take damage.
If the collision happens on both FE's (you get both the above messages), both take damage from it.
If you only get the "XXX has collided with you" message and you take damage, you just have been shot.
And yes, it was tested several times in the DA.
And no, type of connection and amount of lag has no influence on the result of a collision.
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Originally posted by Fulmar
Negative, it may be planned to work this way but for a lot of us we know it doesn't. I know I've been rammed from behind in both fighters and bombers and have suffered structural damage. Of course it doesn't happen all that often and I'd have to film every single flight to record it. It'd be interesting if someone did a test in the DA on this. But you'd have to set several variables - mainly ping related, dial up or high speed, 50ms ping to 250ms pings and see what the outcome is.
The key is that if a collision happens on your front end, you take damage. The same goes for the other guy - if a collision happens on his front end, he takes damage. Only if a collision happens on both[/U] front ends do both planes take damage. That is the only way it can work because of the way the internet works. How Lag Affects Aces High (http://www.netaces.org/lag/lag.htm).
Regards,
Hammer
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I hit them alot. Usually because of the warp. Thats why I dont attack them much.
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Originally posted by WMLute
If you Front End shows that you missed the bombers, then you won't ever take damage from a collision.
Ever.
Not once.
Won't happen.
Lute, I have missed bombers visibly numerous times and got a collision message as well as having people ram me from my 6 and it said I collided.
You can insist it doesnt happen but you'll still be just as wrong.
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[TwilightZoneMusic]
I give up!
Tryna argue and explain how collision model works is like trying to explain that there is or isnt Extraterrestial life....
Its a mystery :( [/TwilightZoneMusic]
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[TwilightZoneMusic]
I give up!
Tryna argue and explain how collision model works is like trying to explain that there is or isnt Extraterrestial life....
Its a mystery :( [./TwilightZoneMusic]
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[TwilightZoneMusic]
I give up!
Tryna argue and explain how collision model works is like trying to explain that there is or isnt Extraterrestial life....
Its a mystery :( [/TwilightZoneMusic]
:D
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Not sure how I missed that link on netaces, I've been there quite a few times. Learn something new everyday. Makes sense. Stand corrected.
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Originally posted by Fulmar
Not sure how I missed that link on netaces, I've been there quite a few times. Learn something new everyday. Makes sense. Stand corrected.
It's new :D
I need to put the "what's new" page back.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
Lute, I have missed bombers visibly numerous times and got a collision message as well as having people ram me from my 6 and it said I collided.
You can insist it doesnt happen but you'll still be just as wrong.
got film?
and yes, people can fly in from your 6 and it says "you collided" - because there was a collision on YOUR FE. That message just states there is a collision, it does not "blame" anyone for it. Some people seem to mistake "You collided" with "You rammed"
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
Lute, I have missed bombers visibly numerous times and got a collision message as well as having people ram me from my 6 and it said I collided.
You can insist it doesnt happen but you'll still be just as wrong.
I love these "I am right" posts that are just totally wrong. You only collide if there is a collision on your FE. It's really that simple.
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I got nailed by a warping bomber just today.
Shot down the lead ship and the port ship warped straight right and into me.
Lost 6 kills from that warp.
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Originally posted by stockli
I got nailed by a warping bomber just today.
Shot down the lead ship and the port ship warped straight right and into me.
Lost 6 kills from that warp.
Yep, the warping drones are annoying. I usually shoot them first before attacking the lead buff.
(BTW, you didn't lose any kills just because you died :p)
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if it got you this worked up i would do it TOO HEHEHEHEHEHE :rofl
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Sometimes when Im out of ammo and theres no one around to finnish them off I try to make them ram into me. I dont fly right into them, I fly all around them from about 600-200. Iv only brought one bomber down that way. Most other times they shoot me down.:D
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Originally posted by Larry
Sometimes when Im out of ammo and theres no one around to finnish them off I try to make them ram into me. I dont fly right into them, I fly all around them from about 600-200. Iv only brought one bomber down that way. Most other times they shoot me down.:D
thats cause you suck:D
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Originally posted by halcyon
GOD I can't stand this. :mad:
Yea I just got back from playing in the main arena and I'm steamed right now....how DUMB do you have to be to ram a bomber, I mean C'MON! :furious :furious :furious
Did you not see the billion tons of STEEL flying through the air at the speed of snail?! :O
I can't exactly turn out of the way to avoid your dweebiness you bimbos.
God!
ARgh!
Frick frick frick.
I'm going to bed now.
After I inject myself with a tranquilzer or something.
:furious
(this was a heat of the moment post...please excuse all of the above and for futher note I cannot be held accountable for what I wrote here due to temporary insanity....thank you)
gues i hafta wear the dolt tag too.......but i've not done it on purpose...i've done it in mis-judging their speed, ot in mis-judging the distance as i'm slicing through the formation and shooting......and i've even done it when flying a new plane.....i found out the hard way that a P40 gets REALLY mushy and hard to control at very hi speeds....i hit one of the JU's i was getting overly anxious to kill....then continued my dive right into the grass.....:rofl a lawn-dart with sharks teeth!!
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Originally posted by Larry
Sometimes when Im out of ammo and theres no one around to finnish them off I try to make them ram into me. I dont fly right into them, I fly all around them from about 600-200. Iv only brought one bomber down that way. Most other times they shoot me down.:D
Wow, the man comes out and says he games the game. Mighty honest of you I guess.
I had this happen once and it ticked me right off. I was being chased down by a nik after bombing some enemy airfield. The niki made 3 or 4 really poor passes, didnt hit squat. He ran himself out of ammo. I was low on ammo too as i had already killed 3 enemy fighters that sortie.
So much to my suprise and horror, the nikki starts making these swooping passes up and down through my formation. I only had a few rounds left in the chin turret of my B17s and ended up hitting his engine oil and then he split off...got the kill on him actually but forget his name.
Point is the guy tried to get me to collide with him for a good 3 or 4 minutes. I know I can't establish his intent..but c'mon the guy went wiggling through my formation dozens of times, never firing a shot.
Lame.
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Originally posted by Stang
I love these "I am right" posts that are just totally wrong. You only collide if there is a collision on your FE. It's really that simple.
How can I collide with someone who flies into my 6? You may argue the point until your face turns blue but It does not change reality.
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Because on their Front End (what they actually see) they didn't fly into your 6. Get it?
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I get the concept of a FE seeing and not seeing something. That does not make it correct.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
How can I collide with someone who flies into my 6? You may argue the point until your face turns blue but It does not change reality.
Your plane touches his plane : collision. Very simple.
You have to acknowledge that this game has two realities: One on your computer and one on your enemies.
Read this: http://www.netaces.org/lag/lag.htm
So you have to live with the collision model as is because
- It works fine
- All other suggested "solutions" would make things worse. Far worse.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Your plane touches his plane : collision. Very simple.
You have to acknowledge that this game has two realities: One on your computer and one on your enemies.
Read this: http://www.netaces.org/lag/lag.htm
So you have to live with the collision model as is because
- It works fine
- All other suggested "solutions" would make things worse. Far worse.
Yup. It would be far worse if it was coaded so if one guy collided both take damage. Then you'd have one guy who on his FE clearly missed yet still had a collision.
We have the best solution to the problem at present imho.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
How can I collide with someone who flies into my 6? You may argue the point until your face turns blue but It does not change reality.
Not quite sure what you are not "getting" here.
You just said a plane flew into your plane. Your planes "touched". That's called a collision. Be it 6, 12, above, below, on your Front End both planes collided.
Why does the fact that they flew into your 6 mean you shouldn't take damage? Your plane hit their plane. You SHOULD take damage. That's how it SHOULD work.
Are you trying to say that if an nme plane fly's in to your plane, you should NOT take damage from it for some odd reason?
Are you trying to say if it's not YOUR fault you were smacked into you shouldn't take damage from it?
How can I collide with someone who flies into my 6? Please explain your thinking here. You just said there was a collision, so why is it you feel you should NOT take damage from it?
(not gonna get into the whole "the nme that just flew into your plane didn't see it on their FE, it was a near miss, so they dont' take damage from it" part)
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In short, unless I can put the SOB in reverse, I should never get a "You have collided" message when the enemy plane is on my 6. When 2 planes collide in the air, they both take damage we shouldnt have the crapshoot we have now.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
In short, unless I can put the SOB in reverse, I should never get a "You have collided" message when the enemy plane is on my 6. When 2 planes collide in the air, they both take damage we shouldnt have the crapshoot we have now.
Did you actually read the link I provided?
If yes, you would understand that "both should take damage" would result in that you would suddenly go boom when you just fly close by an enemy plane, even if you never touched it. You would like that more?
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no point discusssing this. if i go BOOM when i am hit from behind while the other guy flies off, what point is it that you do not comprehend? 2 planes collide, 2 planes should be damaged, period.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
no point discusssing this. if i go BOOM when i am hit from behind while the other guy flies off, what point is it that you do not comprehend? 2 planes collide, 2 planes should be damaged, period.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
In real life: Yes.
This is not real life. We have two realities.
Sorry, but your refusal even to try to understand (for example by reading the short article ablout lag and it's influence on collision model) is simply rediculous. Period ;)
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Except that even in the case that you mentioned, only 2 planes collided.
NOT 4.
Wait, 4 planes? wth are you talking about loser?
Yeah for both planes to take damage from a collision (regardless of angle, speed, direction) FOUR planes have to collide.
Your plane and the enemy on your FE (2)
AND
Your enemy's plane and your plane on his (or her in case the enemy plane was flown by Furball) FE. (2 more)
This happened to me just today. Wrag was flying a 190 HO at me (and i HO at him in an Il2.) We went nose to nose both spraying like hell i missed his plane by a good 20 feet on my FE. Got the message "Wrag has collided with you."
So here we have 2 planes colliding (wrag's FE) and 0 on my FE. The end result...he takes the damage, I do not. Imagine if i would have all of a sudden lost a wing and died when I SAW a good 20 feet of separation? I would have cried.
Mutual destruction in a collision requires 4 planes to collide.. get it now?
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Originally posted by Lusche
your refusal even to try to understand (for example by reading the short article ablout lag and it's influence on collision model) is simply rediculous. Period ;)
yup.
If they are not even willing to TRY To understand how it works, we indeed are wastin' our time.
Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens
-Friedrich Schiller
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I rammed alot when i was newbier.:aok
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
no point discusssing this. if i go BOOM when i am hit from behind while the other guy flies off, what point is it that you do not comprehend? 2 planes collide, 2 planes should be damaged, period.
There are NOT 2 planes. There are 4. You and the other plane on your front end. And the other plane and you on his front end. Two realities, almost the same, but slightly different...4 planes. Frankly Id be pissed if I missed colliding with you on my front end by 50 yards, but had to take damage because YOU failed to avoid a collusion on your front end. In that scenerio that's your problem, not mine.
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Mr No Name to make this simple for you. Both planes dont die because of INTERNET LAG! You may be flying level and and plane comes in behind you and pass' through your plane. YOU may have seen him hit you but on his end I may have flown 200ft below you. Because YOU saw it on your end of the LAG YOU get damage. Only other thing they could do is when someone hits someone else both die. Would you like to watch me fly 200 feet off your wing then you magicly loose it? I dont think so. I think you and others would crash the forums with all the whines.
Yes I "game the game" because get this........its a game. I try to make people ram me on thier FE when Im outa ammo, I dive bomb GVs with a lanc and loop over and bomb another, and more. Hell when the windmill bug was out I tryed to a few times. (never got more then 3 kills before I got bombed):aok
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Originally posted by loser
... (or her in case the enemy plane was flown by Furball) ...
:rofl :rofl :rofl
MrNoName, we'll ask HT to change the system message into "a collision has been registered on your FE only"... at least it will be more correct, and maybe you'll get along with it better.
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I one time tried to land my Zeke on top of a lanc because I ran out of ammo :D
I had gear down and all, of course I died no idea if the lanc registered any damage :)
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:lol
You're entertaining me quite a bit, MrNoBrain, thanks!
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Thanks for the personal insults stang, lute & co. I am capable of having a disagreement and still keep it on a friendly level. I even attempted to speak to lusche last night. (we were flying on the same team in the same area) You guys need to learn a dividing line between a difference of opinion and conduct that would be worthy of these personal jabs. Hell, I usually disagree with something just about anyone says on some subject but still act in a civil, even friendly manner while discussing the disagreement with them.
If a collision occurs that implies one object striking another object. if 2 aircraft strike each other, both should be damaged as this would be the case. You cant have a 1 airplane collision, unless, of course that would be with a tree, building, etc. There are numerous accounts of GVs getting a "You have collided" message with aircraft!
I shouldnt have stepped into this thread but I did so because the "usual suspects" were ganging up on others who have had the same experiences that I have had. I understand the effects of internet lag as much or more than anyone here. I understand that someones FE may not have 'seen' the collision. Here is the point: If one person registers a collision, that implies striking another aircraft or GV. Both objects should be damaged. That eliminates the crapshoot as to who draws the damage and will prevent anyone from 'gaming the game'.
Facts:
1. 2 aircraft collide, both take damage.
2. It is difficult (but not impossible, I admit) for a lead plane to cause a collision.
3. There are people using this system (See Larrys post above) to 'game the game' using the current collision model to force the collision.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
...If a collision occurs that implies one object striking another object. if 2 aircraft strike each other, both should be damaged as this would be the case. You cant have a 1 airplane collision, unless, of course that would be with a tree, building, etc. There are numerous accounts of GVs getting a "You have collided" message with aircraft!
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Facts:
1. 2 aircraft collide, both take damage.
2. It is difficult (but not impossible, I admit) for a lead plane to cause a collision.
3. There are people using this system (See Larrys post above) to 'game the game' using the current collision model to force the collision.
There are three parts to this. The first is that there are 2 versions or reality for the planes involved. Essentially the 4 plane analogy that has been used. I think everyone can grasp and agree to that. The next part is admitting that, because there are two realities, a collision can occur in one reality (Player 1's front-end) and not in the other reality (Player 2's front end). Again, I think everyone can grasp and agree to that. The final part is understanding that how these two realities are reconciled is a decision made by HTC.
I see 3 basic options for reconciling a collision:
[list=1]- Neither plane takes damage unless the collision occurs on both front ends.
- Both planes take damage if a collision occurs on either front end.
- Damage occurs only to the plane on whose front end (version of reality) a collision occurs.
[/list=1]
Let's examine how each of these would affect game play.
Neither plane takes damage unless the collision occurs on both front ends. I haven't seen this option bandied about as "the way it should be" and I'm glad. It wouldn't take long for people to realize they can fly into someone (on their front-end) and probably survive. Diving directly through people with guns blazing would replace head-ons as the tactic of choice.
Both planes take damage if a collision occurs on either front end. The champion of the "how it should be" crowd. This crowd is always upset because they suffer damage and watch the other guy fly away with no damage. The kicker, though, is that if it were this way, they will complain even louder because they take damage when they clearly avoided a collision on their front end.
Try to imagine what it would be like to pull off a brilliant maneuver, coming up underneath a target, blowing its tail off, and climbing past 50 or 100 ft behind the dead-but-doesn't-know-it-yet bird. Then your left wing falls off as you see the message "PlayerX has collided with you".
In the milliseconds difference in realities, a collision occurred on PlayerX's front end but not on yours. You avoided the collision, you got a clean kill and avoided even the debris, but you are spinning to the ground because that is not the case on PlayerX's front-end. I can't imagine that you would accept this as a satisfactory outcome.
Damage occurs only to the plane on whose front end (version of reality) a collision occurs. This is the way HTC has chosen to model collisions. Note that if a collision occurs on both front-ends, both planes take damage. Here, you get credit for your brilliant flying and your skill in avoiding the collision. The player who did not avoid the collision, even if he didn't see it coming, is the one penalized. There is really no other option.
Can this be gamed? Maybe. You would have to have information on both connections to be sure it would work. The risk of having someone game this way is less troublesome than doing everything right, avoiding the collision on your own front end, and then tumbling to the ground because a collision occurred on somebody else's computer.
Regards,
Hammer
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
If one person registers a collision, that implies striking another aircraft or GV. Both objects should be damaged. That eliminates the crapshoot as to who draws the damage and will prevent anyone from 'gaming the game'.
You would die to a collision that never happened on your system. "Gaming the game" would be easier than ever before, because you can't even dogde a deliberate ram
From another ol thread:
Originally posted by Bronk
Slappy, it's my personal windmill.:D
Tangle's external from his front end the moment of impact.
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/Tanglesview.jpg)
Same basic angle external, tangle's view from my front end moment of impact.
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/myview.jpg)
How would you feel taking damage looking at your film and seeing tangles front end view, hmmmmmm?
I know I'd be pretty POed.
Bronk
Edit: This also works nicely for the "none should take damage" people.
Imagine you are the leading Spitfire and the upper picture would be how it shows on your Front End.
Now apply the "both should get damage"...
You really want to die when a enemy is just passing by your plane?
And the example Bronk did show us is not even en extreme one. If players from completely different parts of the world are involved, the positional differences between both Front Ends could be even a hundred yards or more.
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If there is a collision it involves 2 objects every time.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
If there is a collision it involves 2 objects every time.
I am really speechless now... :huh
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Originally posted by Lusche
I am really speechless now... :huh
Technically he's right.
You have to collide with something, therefore there must be two objects.
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Lusche goes to all that trouble, even gives you pictures, and you plug your ears and cover your eyes and go "LALALALALALALALA"
Terrible.
Lusche thanks for the effort, im sure you cleared things up for SOMEONE by posting that stuff.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Technically he's right.
You have to collide with something, therefore there must be two objects.
Yes, but he seems to ignore that fact that actually there are two objects on each FE = four.
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Originally posted by loser
Lusche goes to all that trouble, even gives you pictures, and you plug your ears and cover your eyes and go "LALALALALALALALA"
Terrible.
Lusche thanks for the effort, im sure you cleared things up for SOMEONE by posting that stuff.
Cudos to Brook who provided us with the very telling pictures from a DA session he did with Tangle3. I just did copy&paste.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
If there is a collision it involves 2 objects every time.
As soon as you develop warp speed internet we'll try it your way.
Until then if you collied YOU failed to maintain sufficient separation. Not the other guy.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Technically he's right.
You have to collide with something, therefore there must be two objects.
You really want to take damage from an ac that passes 100-300 out?
Bronk
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Originally posted by Lusche
Cudos to Brook who provided us with the very telling pictures from a DA session he did with Tangle3. I just did copy&paste.
Thanx lusche for saving me a cut & paste.:aok
Bronk
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Bronk,
Mind if I take those screenshots and put them into my write-up?
Regards,
Hammer
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Feel free. If it helps I think I still have the films if you want also.
Bronk
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Wow. I mean I understand where he's coming from, but this is really not hard to grasp.
:confused:
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
If there is a collision it involves 2 objects every time.
In a 1 on 1 fight there are FOUR planes (objects), not two.
Originally posted by Stang
Wow. I mean I understand where he's coming from, but this is really not hard to grasp.
It's a troll Stang. They already know how the collision model works, they are just stringing this thread along out of some screwed up need for attention/confrontation.
(how sad for them)
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Originally posted by halcyon
GOD I can't stand this. :mad:
Yea I just got back from playing in the main arena and I'm steamed right now....how DUMB do you have to be to ram a bomber, I mean C'MON! :furious :furious :furious
Did you not see the billion tons of STEEL flying through the air at the speed of snail?! :O
I can't exactly turn out of the way to avoid your dweebiness you bimbos.
God!
ARgh!
Frick frick frick.
I'm going to bed now.
After I inject myself with a tranquilzer or something.
:furious
(this was a heat of the moment post...please excuse all of the above and for futher note I cannot be held accountable for what I wrote here due to temporary insanity....thank you)
LMAO.... I'm the dolt who hit you halcyon. Just put in a new sound card 15 mins before i flew. Got it warmed up and flew out to see if it was set correctly (it wasn't, as it turned out.) Dove on you in my 109, waited till 600, pulled trigger, and everything froze... stuttered.. froze... then I hit you... Logged out and downloaded new drivers.. (found out soundblaster X-fi has issues with my nvidia, as it comes..) It's all better now, BTW, and it was the 30mm's that killed you not my broke K4.
I really glean some kind of pleasure from your post, though. Maybe this game IS all about pissin the other guy off. LOL..
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or they are an extreme liberal/conservatist and absolutely refuse to look at the facts...
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Originally posted by sntslilhlpr6601
or they are an extreme liberal/conservatist and absolutely refuse to look at the facts...
:huh :huh :huh
What does your political affiliation have to do with the collision model?
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
:huh :huh :huh
What does your political affiliation have to do with the collision model?
Bronk
Scratching my head on that one myself! LOL :huh
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I really didn't intend for this thread to turn into a collision debate.
Rather, it was designed to provide the maximum possible amount of sympathy and groveling to a buff victim (such as myself) of fighter ramming. :D
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Originally posted by halcyon
I really didn't intend for this thread to turn into a collision debate.
Sure you didn't ;)
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Originally posted by Lusche
Sure you didn't ;)
Shhhhhhhhhhh.... :aok