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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Major Biggles on June 23, 2007, 08:20:57 PM
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Zimbabwe is getting really bad at the moment. I just don't understand why they don't get rid of mugabe. he's terrorized his people so much that they are scared to stand up to him, so why doesn't anyone with power stand in and remove the bastard?
they think inflation will reach 1.5 million percent by the end of 2007. you can buy 400,000 zimbabwean dollars for one US dollar atm, and in a week, it'll be a million.
why oh why don't we do anything about him?
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Get a plane ticket, buy a nice rifle and go take care of things.
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I think the UN voted to have another meeting about him in a few months
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I believe they are debating sending hm a letter telling him he is a very very bad boy. That will fix it.
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there was once a country called Rhodesia, it was a prosperous country that grew so much food it exported food, but it was run by the evil white people, so the dark people said we want this country and they got it.
be carefull what you ask for.
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robert Mugabe really ran that country into the ground - took the very successful food producing farms from whites who worked hard for them and redistributed them to the "disadvantaged black" who didn't have a clue how to produce food. this is a failed state. mugable stays in power by the iron hand, but he won't last forever. he will die, or get lazy about security and there will be another coupe. seems to be the way of things on that continent.
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stupid frickin UN. rubber dogchit is more useful and purposeful
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well... at least they threw off the yoke of the white debil.
lazs
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Sense of freedom.
Die and be free or live and be slave.They chose the first option.
I agree, UN is useless, they allowed so many massacres, they just let it happen and then just condemn it.
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it sure worked better when it was rhodesia. look for MT to step in here and call me a racist.
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
stupid frickin UN. rubber dogchit is more useful and purposeful
at least it's not occupying prime real estate in your country, I want it moved to to belgium, the capital of teh france.
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the people of zimbabwe haven't been free in hundreds of years. they got rid of some imperialists and got an evil dictator.
time for the people to sort out their own country. mugabe is so harsh on all who oppose him though, that they all live in total fear. reminds me of ceascaue (sp?) or whatever his name was in romania. one guy shouted out against the regime in a public square, and within a week ceascaue was dead. mugabe is headed for a violent and brutal public death if he doesn't stand down and go into exile. i'll be one of the first celebrating when they do get him. my good friend's grandparents lived in zimbabwe and his grandpa was beaten really badly a few years ago.
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lols, a brit and yanks (who both hold permanent seats on the UN Security Council) *****ing about how useless it is.
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sure it worked better as rhodesia, but that doesn't mean it's right. the people need to sieze the power, and become masters of their own destiny.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
lols, a brit and yanks (who both hold permanent seats on the UN Security Council) *****ing about how useless it is.
it is frickin useless. it's like most governments, run by lazy moneygrabbing oafs, who do everything in their own interests. people don't realise that if they f*ck everyone they depend on, they f*ck themselves.
here in the UK, the government doesn't represent the country, they're the rich toffs who just want more money, educated at eton and cambridge, sleazy scams and things going on constantly, and they just jump on the latest bandwagon to get votes and more money. from what i've heard america is just as bad.
about time democracy actually meant democracy
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Originally posted by Thrawn
lols, a brit and yanks (who both hold permanent seats on the UN Security Council) *****ing about how useless it is.
I'm good with moving teh UN to cannedaduh teh capital of teh englund.
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Will if we went to Zimbabwe to take Mugabe out of power by military force, people of the United States would say "Yeah lets help the people of Zimbabwe," then we invade, then a couple of troops die, the media makes it seem like a big deal and that it will turn into another Vietnam (or I guess a so called Iraq situation) then the people of the U.S. will be against supporting the War effort and the people of Zimbabwe. Then the President would be hated more.
Will this is what I think would happen, but I hope that if we do take out Mugabe that no one would think of it as an invasion for pro west culture in Africa, or another Vietnam type war.
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time for the people to sort out their own country
Exactly.
Countries get the government they deserve (unless their government is imposed by an outside power)
Zimbabwe has got Mugabe because they elected him, and because enough of the people either support him, or aren't prepared to oppose him.
Yes it would be easy for the outside world to oust Mugabe, and put some other government in his place.
Zimbabwe would still be Zimbabwe, though, and in another decade or so they would have someone else like Mugabe ruling them.
Time to let the people of Zimbabwe accept the consequences of choosing their own government.
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Originally posted by VooWho
Will if we went to Zimbabwe to take Mugabe out of power by military force, people of the United States would say "Yeah lets help the people of Zimbabwe," then we invade, then a couple of troops die, the media makes it seem like a big deal and that it will turn into another Vietnam (or I guess a so called Iraq situation) then the people of the U.S. will be against supporting the War effort and the people of Zimbabwe. Then the President would be hated more.
Will this is what I think would happen, but I hope that if we do take out Mugabe that no one would think of it as an invasion for pro west culture in Africa, or another Vietnam type war.
why does america have to INVADE everyone? you could just remove him so that the people can vote freely. that way they aren't oppressed by mugabe or the americans...
nashwan, the people didn't choose him, he is the only person they can vote for! he destroys opposing parties or rigs elections. most of zimbabwe want's rid of him, but they'll be killed or tortured by the secret police if they stand against him (most of the secret police hate him too, but are scared of being killed for deserting)
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Originally posted by Nashwan
Exactly.
Countries get the government they deserve (unless their government is imposed by an outside power)
Zimbabwe has got Mugabe because they elected him, and because enough of the people either support him, or aren't prepared to oppose him.
Yes it would be easy for the outside world to oust Mugabe, and put some other government in his place.
Zimbabwe would still be Zimbabwe, though, and in another decade or so they would have someone else like Mugabe ruling them.
Time to let the people of Zimbabwe accept the consequences of choosing their own government.
that pretty well covers it for all of africa and latin america
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Lets just stay out and let AIDS and drought kill them all off, then we can repopulate with white people.
Seriously, every time a white lead nation has revereted to black leadership, the nation went downhill very fast. Results are starvation, rouge militias, human attrocities and mass murder. Danged if I can see why the blacks are anxious to experience that.
In Somalia, aid workers with military help tried to feed the people and give them the basic necessities to live. What was the result? They took up arms to protect their warlords who starved and killed them, and in doing so drove away the help they needed.
People that stupid deserve to die, and the earth is a better place for it.
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
why does america have to INVADE everyone? you could just remove him so that the people can vote freely. that way they aren't oppressed by mugabe or the americans...
How about YOU remove him? It's about time all the people *****ing and whining about how the U.S. does things just step up and do it your damned selves. Let's see how YOU do it. I want to watch, and see how well you do. THEN you can ***** about how someone else does it.
And one more thing. How the Hell do you expect to just "remove" him and have things change? Evidently you lack the basic fundamental understanding of how reality works. Because you can't remove ONE man and change everything. How the Hell do you think the ONE man came to be in control?
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Originally posted by john9001
there was once a country called Rhodesia, it was a prosperous country that grew so much food it exported food, but it was run by the evil white people, so the dark people said we want this country and they got it.
be carefull what you ask for.
DING DING DING - we have a winner! Quite correct sir
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If Zimbawe was built on Oil/gas fields we'ed be in like watermelon off a shovel.;)
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
How about YOU remove him? It's about time all the people *****ing and whining about how the U.S. does things just step up and do it your damned selves. Let's see how YOU do it. I want to watch, and see how well you do. THEN you can ***** about how someone else does it.
And one more thing. How the Hell do you expect to just "remove" him and have things change? Evidently you lack the basic fundamental understanding of how reality works. Because you can't remove ONE man and change everything. How the Hell do you think the ONE man came to be in control?
i'd bloody love to...
the US in general seem to think they will solve violence with being violent. this is one guy who kills, tortures or banishes anyone who opposes him. no one can stand up to him, but most of them hate him. the answer, remove him from office. you don't need to bomb the place or occupy the country.
israel have been the same in lebanon. hezbollah was once a freedom force that welcomed the israelis as liberators, but israels violence and brutal foreign policy made them turn against them.
i personally think that the USA's ideas on foreign policy have been awful in the last few decades. just my opinion, but there is a reason a lot of the east hates america, because america seems to hate them...
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
the US in general seem to think they will solve violence with being violent. this is one guy who kills, tortures or banishes anyone who opposes him. no one can stand up to him, but most of them hate him. the answer, remove him from office. you don't need to bomb the place or occupy the country.
who was hitler.
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Originally posted by bj229r
I think the UN voted to have another meeting about him in a few months
Yes, but a glitch has arose in the proceedings. It seems that they can`t agree on the place or the time, structure of the meeting table or ........who`s day in the barrel it is to be held on.
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
i'd bloody love to...
the US in general seem to think they will solve violence with being violent. this is one guy who kills, tortures or banishes anyone who opposes him. no one can stand up to him, but most of them hate him. the answer, remove him from office. you don't need to bomb the place or occupy the country.
israel have been the same in lebanon. hezbollah was once a freedom force that welcomed the israelis as liberators, but israels violence and brutal foreign policy made them turn against them.
i personally think that the USA's ideas on foreign policy have been awful in the last few decades. just my opinion, but there is a reason a lot of the east hates america, because america seems to hate them...
I have yet to see a violent dictator be successfully dealt with by any means other than violence. Further, the guy doesn't hold power BY HIMSELF. So, short of KILLING him AND his ASSOCIATES, exactly how do you propose to remove him?
You don't deal with violent people by talking to them or by kissing their ass. You KILL them. Yeah, it's that simple.
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Seriously, every time a white lead nation has revereted to black leadership, the nation went downhill very fast.
I agree. Zimbabwe should have stayed part of the British Empire and continued to be the only net exported of food on the whole African continent.
Strange hearing Americans agreeing that the British Empire was a force for good.
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Originally posted by Dowding
I agree. Zimbabwe should have stayed part of the British Empire and continued to be the only net exported of food on the whole African continent.
Strange hearing Americans agreeing that the British Empire was a force for good.
The British Empire was a force for selfish expansionism, but any white administration is going to be better than black self-rule in Africa. The French proved it, as did the Dutch.
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Many went the same way, prosperous Belgian Kongo (Zaire) etc.
And....Liberia. "LIBERIA" from Liberty.
From goods and while being soveireign, those countries should be okay.
Mugabe is one of the worst though, and a firing squad will soon be in sight, mark my words...
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He will probably retire in France or some European country, after lengthy negotiations:noid
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Wouldn't bet on the UK, but maybe another African country....
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South Africa is doing pretty well after its black majority was enfranchised in 1994 and promptly took power in the elections. It is the most economically and socially developed country on the African continent.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/CentralPretoria.jpg/800px-CentralPretoria.jpg)
Downtown Pretoria.
Some of you guys do seem like racists in this thread, but I trust that is not the case.
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south africa didn't chase away citizens just because they are white
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""Crime continues to be a major problem in South Africa. According to a survey for the period 1998–2000 compiled by the United Nations, South Africa was ranked second for assault and murder (by all means) per capita, in addition to being ranked second for rape and first for rapes per capita. Total crime per capita is tenth out of the sixty countries in the data set. Nevertheless, crime has had a pronounced effect on society: many wealthier South Africans moved into gated communities, abandoning the central business districts of some cities for the relative security of suburbs. This effect is most pronounced in Johannesburg, although the trend is noticeable in other cities as well. Many emigrants from South Africa also state that crime was a big motivator for them to leave. Crime against the farming community has continued to be a major problem.""
they are doing real good.
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Yup, they are doing rather well. In total crimes per capita South Africa ranks #10. The United States of America ranks #8. Surprisingly Denmark comes in at #4, Finland #3 and New Zealand #2.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita
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Originally posted by Viking
Yup, they are doing rather well. In total crimes per capita South Africa ranks #10. Surprisingly Denmark comes in at #4, Finland #3 and New Zealand #2.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita
I wonder how the gun control laws in those nations compare with that in the USA?
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Most of the blame for the lack of democracy in Africa can be directly attributed to the former colonial powers that ravaged the continent.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Viking
Yup, they are doing rather well. In total crimes per capita South Africa ranks #10. The United States of America ranks #8. Surprisingly Denmark comes in at #4, Finland #3 and New Zealand #2.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita
Ever talked to anyone from South Africa? I have, a lot, because a lot of South African whites have emigrated to New Zealand fleeing the crime issues in South Africa.
Note the bit at the bottom of that link: "DEFINITION: Note: Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence. Per capita figures expressed per 1,000 population. "
Let me translate, New Zealand is #2 because we report more crimes to the police to deal with. Right down to little stuff like shoplifting. Whereas in South Africa a lot of murders/rapes/etc go uninvestigated or reported.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Most of the blame for the lack of democracy in Africa can be directly attributed to the former colonial powers that ravaged the continent.
ack-ack
the only time when Africans were not killing each other was when the evil colonial powers were in control.
yeah, the "colonial powers " ravaged the continent by bringing law and order, medicine, education, and stopping tribal warfare. Damm euro-peans always trying to bring civilization to the savages.
whitey go home , but take us with you.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Most of the blame for the lack of democracy in Africa can be directly attributed to the former colonial powers that ravaged the continent.
ack-ack
Look at the picture above then:
Imagine it as a big forrest. Now if you think civilization ravages a conitinent, then to each there own.
Stooopid whitey comin all in here an buildin buildins and stit yo.
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As you beat these dead horses just remember China is now moving into Africa due to it's ravenous need of raw materials and oil. So the new whitey on the dark continent is chinese, and Oh don't forget India. Both of those asian cultures dislike of blacks makes a Klan member from the 1870's look like a school girl...........
But we won't hear too much about that since the cleptocratic governments in much of africa treat their people as badly or worse than how chinese and hindis revile blacks. Whats important to both parties is the chinese and hindies are greasing palms to get raw materials. So now instead of us evil whities keeping the afrikan natives down, the chinese and hindies are paying off the governments to do it themselves.
So basicly we anexed a whole continent, screwed the pooch and showed our current competitors\enemies how to do it right and not get caught with their fingers in the guts of the poor exploited afrikan masses. Hoooya.......
We modern western white people are such gutless wonders compaired to our ancestors.
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Originally posted by Viking
Yup, they are doing rather well. In total crimes per capita South Africa ranks #10. The United States of America ranks #8. Surprisingly Denmark comes in at #4, Finland #3 and New Zealand #2.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita
Guess the predominant race of people living in the crime centers (cities) in the United States.
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Originally posted by bustr
As you beat these dead horses just remember China is now moving into Africa due to it's ravenous need of raw materials and oil. So the new whitey on the dark continent is chinese, and Oh don't forget India. Both of those asian cultures dislike of blacks makes a Klan member from the 1870's look like a school girl...........
But we won't hear too much about that since the cleptocratic governments in much of africa treat their people as badly or worse than how chinese and hindis revile blacks. Whats important to both parties is the chinese and hindies are greasing palms to get raw materials. So now instead of us evil whities keeping the afrikan natives down, the chinese and hindies are paying off the governments to do it themselves.
So basicly we anexed a whole continent, screwed the pooch and showed our current competitors\enemies how to do it right and not get caught with their fingers in the guts of the poor exploited afrikan masses. Hoooya.......
We modern western white people are such gutless wonders compaired to our ancestors.
very true
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I have been to South Africa a number of times, both on vacation and with work. It is a wonderful, beautiful country populated by some of the friendliest people I have ever met.
It is also the most crime ridden place I have ever been and the poverty has to be seen to be believed. It was after seeing the shanty towns in Johannesburg that I realized Louisiana wasn't Third-World after all. By African standards, its doing OK. But those sure as heck aren't high standards.
The crime statistics referred to above simply point out the presence of a police force that collects such statistics and a population not scared to report them.
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I heard that Mugabe tried to buy yellowcake from Nigeria...
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Originally posted by john9001
""Crime continues to be a major problem in South Africa. According to a survey for the period 1998–2000 compiled by the United Nations, South Africa was ranked second for assault and murder (by all means) per capita, in addition to being ranked second for rape and first for rapes per capita. Total crime per capita is tenth out of the sixty countries in the data set. Nevertheless, crime has had a pronounced effect on society: many wealthier South Africans moved into gated communities, abandoning the central business districts of some cities for the relative security of suburbs. This effect is most pronounced in Johannesburg, although the trend is noticeable in other cities as well. Many emigrants from South Africa also state that crime was a big motivator for them to leave. Crime against the farming community has continued to be a major problem.""
they are doing real good.
I cleaned carpets for a living for a year or so. (Man that job sucked! lol) I cleaned for a South African family once. I couldn't quite place their accent, I guessed every country that spoke English (except South Africa) and then gave up. :D
At one point during the conversation I asked them, what made you decide to immigrate to the US. Their response was immediate, crime. I said....crime here is pretty bad as well, isn't that kinda like jumping from the frying pan into the fire? The wife said, yes there is crime in the US but you don't have to put bars over your windows to be safe at night. I think that just about says it all.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I heard that Mugabe tried to buy yellowcake from Nigeria...
Maybe he already has
Proof?
(http://photos.mg.co.za/original/0.05316800%201172147379.jpg)
But we can't be sure until the UN Cake Inspectors check under the icing
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Originally posted by Dago
I wonder how the gun control laws in those nations compare with that in the USA?
With the exception of New Zealand the gun control in those nations are pretty lax. Somehow I get the feeling that most of those crime statistics are about "drunk and disorderly" charges in Finland and Denmark. ;)
Originally posted by lasersailor184
Guess the predominant race of people living in the crime centers (cities) in the United States.
Human I should think.
Originally posted by Vulcan
Ever talked to anyone from South Africa? I have, a lot, because a lot of South African whites have emigrated to New Zealand fleeing the crime issues in South Africa.
Yup, but compared to the horror and depravity that prevail most places on the continent of Africa…
Originally posted by Viking
…they are doing rather well.