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Title: 262 tail wheel....
Post by: titanic3 on June 24, 2007, 07:26:47 PM: didn't the Me-262a-1 had tail wheels, but the Germans replaced it with the 262a-2 with nose wheel due to no forward view while taking off? or was there an earlier version before the 262a-1?
Title: 262 tail wheel....
Post by: Lusche on June 24, 2007, 07:37:51 PM: Only the first prototypes had a tailwheel. Me 262 V5 was the first to have a tricycle gear.
Title: 262 tail wheel....
Post by: titanic3 on June 24, 2007, 07:39:09 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Lusche
Only the first prototypes had a tailwheel. Me 262 V5 was the first to have a tricycle gear.

oooohhh, ty lusche. :aok
Title: Re: 262 tail wheel....
Post by: CAP1 on June 24, 2007, 10:50:43 PM: Quote
Originally posted by titanic3
didn't the Me-262a-1 had tail wheels, but the Germans replaced it with the 262a-2 with nose wheel due to no forward view while taking off? or was there an earlier version before the 262a-1?

only the prototypes had the tail wheel.........they changed it to tricycle gear due to the fact that the pilot had to allow some speed to build, then push the stick foward a bit to bring the tail up(it wouldn't come up on its own like modern tail draggers). this i guess you could imagine is kinda a hairy move.....think it lead to some noseovers.........but to the best of my knowledge, all combat versions had trike gear..

BTW.......nice observation, and good question!!:aok
Title: 262 tail wheel....
Post by: Xasthur on June 25, 2007, 04:15:56 AM: tail-dragging 262s had to tap the breaks to force the nose down.

The tail-low position gave it no evelator authority.
Title: 262 tail wheel....
Post by: TUXC on June 25, 2007, 12:47:10 PM: I think the jet engine nozzles pointed downwards also tended to damage the runway.
Title: 262 tail wheel....
Post by: Jonny boy 8 on June 25, 2007, 06:57:42 PM: ive seen films of the me262 tail wheel version,(history channel) it only looks a little diffrent, but the reson they got rid of the tailwheel verson was poor visability.

p51srule :aok
Title: 262 tail wheel....
Post by: Serenity on June 25, 2007, 07:08:26 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
ive seen films of the me262 tail wheel version,(history channel) it only looks a little diffrent, but the reson they got rid of the tailwheel verson was poor visability.

p51srule :aok

DONT TRUST HISTORY CHANNEL!!! Theyre completely untrustworthy. Take EVERYTHING you see there with a dump-truck-sized grain of salt.
Title: 262 tail wheel....
Post by: Jonny boy 8 on June 26, 2007, 07:44:39 AM: :huh.......................... .......OK ill forget what i just readed.

p51srule:aok
Title: 262 tail wheel....
Post by: Krusty on June 26, 2007, 09:00:56 AM: It wasn't visibility. You didn't need that to take off (hell look at most WW2 planes). It was because the pilot could not get the tail to lift off the ground, and had to perform a dangerous brake tap once at speed to allow the plane to take off.

That's what Serenity means by "don't trust the history channel": they take broad strokes to generalize very fine details. Sometimes what they say applies, sometimes it doesn't.
Title: 262 tail wheel....
Post by: Xasthur on June 26, 2007, 12:49:30 PM: Krusty is on the money.
Title: 262 tail wheel....
Post by: clerick on June 26, 2007, 01:11:58 PM: Nope, wrong again.... The REAL reason that they changed it was that the trike gear looked so awesome on the P38 that the Germans had to have it too. Unt das ist der truth.

p38srule! :aok
Title: 262 tail wheel....
Post by: Wes14 on June 26, 2007, 03:25:07 PM: Quote
Originally posted by clerick
Nope, wrong again.... The REAL reason that they changed it was that the trike gear looked so awesome on the P38 that the Germans had to have it too. Unt das ist der truth.

p38srule! :aok

Amen:aok
Title: 262 tail wheel....
Post by: KD303 on June 29, 2007, 06:12:29 AM: Yeah, if you look at footage of tail wheel versions taking off, you'll see a white line painted on the ground which told the pilot when he should hit the brakes to bring up the tail plane. Not very practical, looking out for that, dabbing the brakes,and doing all the usual pilot stuff too. Oh well, at least they didn't go for that old German fave of sticking a huge dolly underneath and landing on a retractable skid...
Title: 262 tail wheel....
Post by: Lusche on June 29, 2007, 06:58:02 AM: Quote
Originally posted by KD303
Yeah, if you look at footage of tail wheel versions taking off, you'll see a white line painted on the ground which told the pilot when he should hit the brakes to bring up the tail plane. Not very practical, looking out for that, dabbing the brakes,and doing all the usual pilot stuff too. Oh well, at least they didn't go for that old German fave of sticking a huge dolly underneath and landing on a retractable skid...

Yep.
(http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Bilder/Ar234/Ar234V8.jpg)
Title: 262 tail wheel....
Post by: Jonny boy 8 on June 29, 2007, 07:13:39 AM: we should have the ar234 up dated to that version.

p51srule:aok
Title: 262 tail wheel....
Post by: KD303 on July 08, 2007, 07:24:35 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Lusche
Yep.
(http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Bilder/Ar234/Ar234V8.jpg)

Yeah, that's the one.

Imagine nearing the end of the airfield, ready to unstick and that bleedin' thing decides not release! You'd be completely f***ed, unless you somehow managed to get into the air, then you'd be limping around the sky like a giant shopping cart on drugs.
A mixture of genius and extreme silliness, those Gerry designers.