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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: The Fugitive on June 25, 2007, 07:58:25 AM
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Flying this weekend, was one of those days were everyone is just about a second ahead of ya in everything. All in all, lets just say I was dieing A LOT :) Now while I'm no "lean, mean, killin machine", I can give pretty much everyone a good fight, and thats pretty much all I'm looking for any way.
Yesterday, while defending V6, I was grabbin a bit of alt.... was hopelessly out numbered, but figured alt might help me :) I found out a "well known" player was there in the attack. I figured I'd head back and give him a go, maybe I could learn something. We were out numbered 7-2, but I knew what plane he was in (its his favorite), and I was in a like plane so he would be easy to spot.
Getting back over the base.... which they had captured by now, I spot him. He's got the alt advantage, and he knows I'm coming back and in what type of plane. So as I fly along level I'm watching him pass 1000+ feet over head, while an F6 heads strait for me. At this point I'm more worried about the "Pro" flying over head, I "hope" the F6 isn't going to fire on his merge, but being the MA he does, I give him a squirt, with both take hits and are smoking. A second bad guy passes head on, and either doesn't fire, or has his tracers off, either way I don't fire either.
I tell the other friendly in the area that I'm loosing oil from a HO and dive out. From 5k or so to 750 feet off the deck I'm screamin along.... jug dives nice :) , the "Pro" follows me. In less than a minute, we are the only ones around. I type out on 200 "was hoping to have a fight but F6 HOed me", and then a bit after, I type "So your not going to let me go huh?". It took this "Pro" another minute and a half to finish me off while I was flying strait and level. Why? because we were in like birds and he was having trouble catching me, he used the last 750 feet of alt to build a bit of speed to then lob shots at me till I took enough damage to go down.
His excuses were many, "I didn't know it was you"," you should have called out","I was busy watching 2 other targets, didn't see your message". All of which is BS, he just wanted a cheap "freebi" of a kill. This guys been flying here forever (you can check his score back to Tour 12), and I believe he use to fly in Air Warrior too. Back in those days if you called "bingo" most guys would break off, say "nice fight", and go there seperate ways with a "I'll get you next time!" and a salute. I guess thats too much to ask these days.
I know, its the time of the "squeeker", and we shouldn't expect much, but this guy is an old "Pro", well known in the community, and I thought, someone with honor, and a little class. Its sad to see how corrupt, how "needy" some of these guys have gotten.
For me, I'll still let a guy go if he calls bingo, unless he turns back on me, I'll still hold my shot when running into a head on merge, till the clown HOs me then he gets it from then on(oh btw, for the F6 that HOed me, a HO is when you make a head on pass WITH guns blazing, its just a merge when you don't fire). I know its "just a game", but I'd still like to see it played with a little class, a little honor. Cheap shots, and gameing the game just pisses people off, and takes away from the fun.
I could name names here, and post the film of this "Pro". Show that when I was typing to him on 200 we were the only ones around, but that just wouldn't be classy, and I have a bit more honor than that.
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I'll let a guy go if he i someone whom I like, and asks...but if he's an Lghey pilot, f'em
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Honestly, Im going to kill a guy if hes smoking. Im not going to let him get home. Its not like real life where you spared a guy. In here the difference between life and death is a " F&^@!" or a "Phew!" Thats it.
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Whats kind of 'BS' as you put it, is that you had to run from what became a 1 vs 1 because you had oil damage, lol. Where were you going? Back to your wife and kids? She'd proly make you work on the house anyway lol.
Why not turn around and kill him or atlist try?
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I read your post to my dog. She went back to sleep. Thanks for sharing.
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If you had gotten to a point where it was just the 2 of you, he was probably pinging you to try and get you to turn around and fight. So what you have some oil on the windscreen ... your still able to fly/fight.
I would have done the same thing to you ... why run straight and level and die, when you could have turned ... fought some ... and then died ... the result would have been the same, but you at least you would have put up some sort of fight.
If you had reversed, you might have had a chance to survive.
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oil hit or no oil hit, once we were 1 on 1 I woulda killed 'em.
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Well I guess we can see who has "class" and who doesn't !!! LOL!!
Ya I could have turned around once we were a few miles out from the VB, but even on a good day with a plane undamged I didn't really stand a chance against this "Pro" in his favorite ride. The point of the thread was pointing out how thw community has degenerated to such a state that HTC might as well call it "Quake II".
I'm sorry that the topics of "honor" and "class" were a bit to deep for some of you to understand. You may now return to your "vulchfests" and HO rides, and have a nice day.
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He didnt see your 200 message, so what? There are 200 people in the arena, if you knew his name, which you say you do, you should of PM'd him.
You have an oil leak in a Jug, so what? It'll fly forever.
No Honor???
lol
:O
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i would have shot you down also, no mercy, war is dirty business
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I cant see anything smaller than a heavy bomber with oil hit, I don't even try anymore
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Be Honourable if you like,but you should never expect it.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Well I guess we can see who has "class" and who doesn't !!! LOL!!
Ya I could have turned around once we were a few miles out from the VB, but even on a good day with a plane undamged I didn't really stand a chance against this "Pro" in his favorite ride. The point of the thread was pointing out how thw community has degenerated to such a state that HTC might as well call it "Quake II".
I'm sorry that the topics of "honor" and "class" were a bit to deep for some of you to understand. You may now return to your "vulchfests" and HO rides, and have a nice day.
You HOed the other guy, then dove and ran. Honor? Class? Since when is either typified by diving to the deck and screaming for mercy once the advantage is lost?
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I read a book a month or so ago called "Mustang Ace." Obviously about a P51 pilot. It was interesting to note, that even late in the war, when most of the honor had disappeared, both Luftwaffe and USAAC pilots allowed their opposing number to ditch a wounded bird.
That being said, this is just a game. For $14.95 per month you can play it however you like.
Personally, if you were smoking, I would have finished you off too and without excuses or an apology.
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For me, it depends. I would not have let you go, because you took your damage Head On. If a pilot EARNS his way home, Ill let him be. By that I mean a good fight. If im fighting a guy and say he calls bingo fuel or bingo ammo. Assuming it wasnt a fight riddle with HOs, Cherry Picking or gangbangs (And chances are, if he has the presence of mind to CALL bingo, hes also smarter than to HO or Cherry Pick) I will let him go. If he takes an oil hit due to an enemy OTHER than me during our fight and needs to RTB, he can go, so long as he promises to come back and finish things :)
Any head ons, and your dead to me. If you sustain damage BEFORE my engagement, unless youre one hell of a pilot and earn it through your teeth in my fight, its your own concern. And if I take out your oil or fuel, youre dead. I gave you that damage, I WILL take the kill for it. Just my oppinion. Any pilot can earn his way home with me, so long as he fights fair.
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I dont understand all this cacamania talk about Honor and Respect and wat nots in a game :huh :confused: :huh
Just last night I uped from a field in a 109g2 with a lone k4 and 110 strafing the town... I knew the k4 was a clueless tyke cuz hes strafing buildings in a k4...ok so Boom he's dead...the 110 is on autoclimb about 1k on top of me, probably afk. So I hit the WEP making my DB605 scream for all she could climbing up to this 110 and some other friendly comes on vox and says "hey plat, I think the 110's afk, you gonna shoot em down?" I'm like Hell yea. Then he's like "ok but there no honor in it"
In my head im like and? so wat. I can give two chits if he's AFK or not.
Honor? Pffttt... PUH-leeeze...
Oh BTW the 110 went boom-boom too :aok
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All those guys trying to beg for mercy on CH200: Many people, including me, are not even tuned to that channel.
Besides that:
Enemy plane on fire or missing a wing: I don't shoot it.
All other cases, I do. Only on very rare occasions I let someone go. Earn it ;)
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Well I guess we can see who has "class" and who doesn't !!! LOL!!
Ya I could have turned around once we were a few miles out from the VB, but even on a good day with a plane undamged I didn't really stand a chance against this "Pro" in his favorite ride. The point of the thread was pointing out how thw community has degenerated to such a state that HTC might as well call it "Quake II".
I'm sorry that the topics of "honor" and "class" were a bit to deep for some of you to understand. You may now return to your "vulchfests" and HO rides, and have a nice day.
So anyone that doesn't quite see it your way or agree with you lacks honor and/or class ... yeah that's "classy".
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Platano
I dont understand all this cacamania talk about Honor and Respect and wat nots in a game :huh :confused: :huh
Honor? Pffttt... PUH-leeeze...
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HT has said , < I'm sure with his tongue firmly planted in his cheek >, that the goal of AH is to piss off the enemy, you don't do that by letting them go, you do it by killing them.
As for honor and courage, AH is a game, save that for real life where it actualy means something.
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AW was like that fugitive, for the most part anyways. One of the reasons I say the community there was far superior to AH...and most likely will remain that way. But that is gone, this is the game now...and it is different...so I never expect anything like that, its nice when it happens, but never expect it.
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Bah.......I dont play this game to "bingo" or "wave a white flag" or to get ghey with some "childish honor code" nonesense. I come to this game to play the role of a infamous cartoon aero killer. Absolutely No Mercy given, none expected.
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Sounds like a wine, anyone see the cheese?
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Originally posted by killnu
AW was like that fugitive, for the most part anyways. One of the reasons I say the community there was far superior to AH...and most likely will remain that way. But that is gone, this is the game now...and it is different...so I never expect anything like that, its nice when it happens, but never expect it.
Thats what I was saying Killn, this guy was from those days, thats why I expected it. I guess I'm just too much into the old ways. Some of us old farts are like that. Ya its a game, but if your playing a game of chess its kinda like your opponet spittin in your face.
Well I guess "the boards have spoken" not that I really expected much from those that post here. Call it a whine, call it what you will, but I'll dumb it down for those of you that didn't get it....
Its too bad the community has falling this far, like a lot of things, the old days were better. Salute!
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found out a "well known" player was there in the attack. I figured I'd head back and give him a go, maybe I could learn something.
even on a good day with a plane undamged I didn't really stand a chance against this "Pro" in his favorite ride.
*sigh* irony
I hope you learned that holding your plane straight and level as a guy gains on you will get you killed every time. Whereas, had you turned and fought, or maneuvered in an effort to shake him loose, you might actually have reached your originally intended goal(learn something) and had some fun in the process.
Steve
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Yeah, HO then run then look for mercy and talk about honor. You mentioned that you wanted to learn something from him maybe? Well, had you turned back you might have.
I love those guys that are 600 on my 12 and they keep going straight hoping for what? You ack is not comming to meet you. You are either there or you are not. Turn and fight, you are dead anyway foo, lol
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dedalos, crawl back under your rock bud. Had you read the first post you might have noticed that the "Pro" I was talking about passed over head 1000+ feet up in a P47. While watching said "Pro", a dweeb in an F6 pointed his nose at me. Had he never fired on that pass, neither would I. Again had you read my post you might have understood that a second plane made a head on merge and either didn't fire or had tracers off, so I DID NOT fire on him. Yes I'm sorry I gave them the benefit of a free shot on me, as it crippled my plane and took out any chance I had with tangling with the P47.
So no I didn't HO the "Pro", no did I HO the F6 till after he blew my oil for me, nor did I HO the third plane in. The whole post was nothing more than. "Its too bad the community has falling this far, like a lot of things, the old days were better.", I wish I would have typed it that way the first time.
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Bingo is a game old ladies play.
ack-ack
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I understood ya the first time Fugi :)
I guess I look at it this way. I can choose how I go about it in the game and that's about it.
If I can let a guy ditch after his plane is clearly in no shape to keep up the fight I will for the most part.
I don't expect it in return and considering my goal of coating all the arenas in 38G parts, it's a good thing as it keeps up the distrubition of parts for me :)
Comparing it to the old AW days fits only to a point as that was a smaller community where folks knew each other better. You knew who you were going to run into on certain parts of the map and expected those fights and that kind of response.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
So no I didn't HO the "Pro", no did I HO the F6 till after he blew my oil for me, nor did I HO the third plane in. The whole post was nothing more than. "Its too bad the community has falling this far, like a lot of things, the old days were better.", I wish I would have typed it that way the first time.
you are using one encounter with an established stick as a measurement of the whole community? now if you had declared your intentions over to 200 to said "pro" maybe he would have been happy to oblige you, but to think that the other 6 enemies weren't eager to kill you is ridiculous.
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Originally posted by Carwash
I read a book a month or so ago called "Mustang Ace." Obviously about a P51 pilot. It was interesting to note, that even late in the war, when most of the honor had disappeared, both Luftwaffe and USAAC pilots allowed their opposing number to ditch a wounded bird.
Don't take that to be gospel, Carwash.
Not long ago I read about a P-47 pilot who bounced a low 262. He damaged the 262 badly enough to force it to crash land in a field.
He and his wingman straffed the pilot as he ran from the wreckage.
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P47.........."Pro"......... only name that comes to mind is...................:noid NOMDE!!:noid.
If you want "honor" try the AvA. Sometimes a few people will give you a and break off with you get hurt. I only do it if you gave me a fight. But if you run to the ack Ill circle around your base and vulch you on landing then smack talk you on 200.
The "few people" are mostly vets who are there just for the fights and not "oh look at me I landed 15 vulches in my tempest everyone tell me WTFG" kinda people.
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Originally posted by Xasthur
Don't take that to be gospel, Carwash.
Not long ago I read about a P-47 pilot who bounced a low 262. He damaged the 262 badly enough to force it to crash land in a field.
He and his wingman straffed the pilot as he ran from the wreckage.
Generally the idea was you didn't want the guy coming back up the next day to shoot at you again. if he was coming down over your territory he wasn't going to do that, but if he was coming down on his territory he was still a threat.
That being said, there were lots of instances where guys didn't shoot chutes and lots of instances where they did.
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Originally posted by Larry
P47.........."Pro"......... only name that comes to mind is...................:noid NOMDE!!:noid.
If you want "honor" try the AvA. Sometimes a few people will give you a and break off with you get hurt. I only do it if you gave me a fight. But if you run to the ack Ill circle around your base and vulch you on landing then smack talk you on 200.
The "few people" are mostly vets who are there just for the fights and not "oh look at me I landed 15 vulches in my tempest everyone tell me WTFG" kinda people.
Ahhh yes, like the 2 109s chasing my spit missing a half wing for a sector? lol. If I could have only made one of them hit the trees muahahahahahaha :lol
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
dedalos, crawl back under your rock bud. Had you read the first post you might have noticed that the "Pro" I was talking about passed over head 1000+ feet up in a P47. While watching said "Pro", a dweeb in an F6 pointed his nose at me. Had he never fired on that pass, neither would I. Again had you read my post you might have understood that a second plane made a head on merge and either didn't fire or had tracers off, so I DID NOT fire on him. Yes I'm sorry I gave them the benefit of a free shot on me, as it crippled my plane and took out any chance I had with tangling with the P47.
So no I didn't HO the "Pro", no did I HO the F6 till after he blew my oil for me, nor did I HO the third plane in. The whole post was nothing more than. "Its too bad the community has falling this far, like a lot of things, the old days were better.", I wish I would have typed it that way the first time.
ohhh, I read it alright. You did not read mine. I never said you hoed the 'pro'. Please point me to the text in your post where you tried to avoid the two HOs lol. You went for it twice at the merge, and for some reason the 'pro' that passed 1K over your head had something to do with it. Does not get any worse than that bud. Sounds like a typical HO and run lol. Just because you were smoking it does not mean you could not fight. Answer my question please. Where were you going? To see your kids one more time? lol. Did you learn anything from the pro by not trying to stay alive?
Crawling back under my rock now, lol
Who was it anyway? I need to know where to send the free beer.
EDIT. did you maybe think that the pro saw what you did and did not want to let a HO run dweeb escape? lol
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Dont remember chasing your spit. But eather way I dont like you deadalot so Ill vulch you on take off if I knew it was you. :D
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Ever notice how so many of these posts about 'lack of honour or class' are from people who lost the encounter.
You died because you ho'd and lost - get over it.
Every red icon is fair game.
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It depends who I let live or let die:
If I am in a pure 1 on 1 fight and kill their engine, I will usually finish them off because I did the initial damage to begin with.
If they call out Pilot Wound on 200 I'll let them go.
If they are the 6k extend, turn around try again, timid type. I make a point to kill them since death in a game is such a big thing for them.
If I shoot off a wingtip... I try to take the other one off to balance things out:aok
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First off, takes two to HO. You could have avoided going H2H with the F6, but you chose to shoot at him as well, hence you're now leaking oil by your own hand.
Don't expect pilots to give you a free pass just because you're greased a little. An oil leak by no means makes a plane disabled. Sure might be hard to see, but you CAN still see out the window and your guns WILL still shoot.
Personally I won't fire on a plane if he's missing a wing or on fire (although you get the occasional pilot who still tries to continue on while burning, in which case I will take him down to save allies).
If the wing's gone, that plane is pretty much out of the fight, and I'll let him go. I don't need perk points and I don't care about score, so me chasing down a disabled fighter does nothing more for me then trying to boost my own ego, which I don't need to do.
You'll come across a lot of different pilots in here. But truth is it's an online game....expect everything, and don't be surprised if people play the way you usually don't.
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Ive lost kills of burning aircraft because they land and exit. Ive also lost kills of de-winged IL2s that float softly to the ground and ditch. Bottom line: If they are burning, kill them. If its an IL2 spinning to the ground with half a wing gone, keep gunning it.
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There was an AH screenshot someone posted a long time ago involving a 190? or 109? escorting a wounded P38 back to it's base after a good fight. It's good to see that kind of respect on occasion, even in a game.
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Originally posted by Larry
Dont remember chasing your spit. But eather way I dont like you deadalot so Ill vulch you on take off if I knew it was you. :D
Nah, it was TB and the guy I colided with. I have the feeling I was chaced because the colision gave up my name :O . But thats the point. Even with half a wing, it was fun to try to see if one of them would get ganged by the trees. Did not work out but stil fun. I had the speed to make it to ack btw but nothing like a JG54 friend hiting a tree chasing a desabled plane hehehehehe
Good fights again last night
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Originally posted by Xasthur
Don't take that to be gospel, Carwash.
Not long ago I read about a P-47 pilot who bounced a low 262. He damaged the 262 badly enough to force it to crash land in a field.
He and his wingman straffed the pilot as he ran from the wreckage.
One of Germany's top aces was killed in his chute by some P-51 driver.
ack-ack
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i hear you Fugitive! even if no one else does.
the other day i as fighting a T-152 and in my Chog and i hit his engine out dead with a quick burst. He was at about 2000ft and near his base so i flew his wing for a min as he glides towards home then roll around him and peel off. he sent me a salute and i still felt like i 'won' the fight, without the need to get a kill credit.
then maybe a week ago, i was flying in a sector in an La7 and i came accross a certain player in another La7 as he was AFK climbing from base. At least i thought AFK. i knew who it was so i formed up 100yrds off his left wing and sent him a PM 'Check 6 sleepy' :)
instantly he banks off to the right and i bank off to the left.
he turn a wide circle and comes back at me, and i go in for the merge.
WOW surprise he HOs me straight up and kills my motor dead.
i glide down and under, and point my nose at him as he comes back, and i HO him killing his pilot. boom.
what a waste of time.
:rofl
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Dedalos, maybe thats where we have a communication problem. In and head to head pass where no one fires I call a merge. Anyone firering on a head to head pass turns it into a HO, aka "cheap shot". Again if you read the post you would see I didn't shoot in my "merges" untill the F6 proved himself a dweeb by shooting me. At that point the fights were done, and it was time to RTB.
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Originally posted by halcyon
First off, takes two to HO.
You are a moron! Apparently, you don't know you are a moron, so you continue typing moronic statements like this one here in the BBS. Shut it, HO twit!:aok
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Originally posted by SkyRock
You are a moron! Apparently, you don't know you are a moron, so you continue typing moronic statements like this one here in the BBS. Shut it, HO twit!:aok
I squelch you in the game, and apparently I also have to do it on the forums.
Why are you such a ******* anyway?
All the trash talking gets old real quick and just makes you look immature and a jerk.
But please...continue making yourself look bad.
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Originally posted by halcyon
All the trash talking gets old real quick
.....and so do moronic statements like, "It takes two to HO!" Oh, and by the way.......................... .......read the sig, then read the avatar!!!:aok
Mark
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it takes two to fly head on at each other.
it can only take 1 to fire the head on shot.
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stop playing BS with the HO shot. The HO shot is a absolutely LEGITIMATE shot, and takes skill to both apply and avoid.
What is total contemptable BS is the HO Rammer. Rather than avoid the collision, this idiot wants it, and enjoys doiing his part in ruining the game.
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If you're looking for honor, you're playing the wrong game. I learned a long time ago that most people want the kill, even if it means dying themselves. There have been times that I have flown 100 miles behind the lines to land a wounded set of bombers, only to have a P51, who tailed me with droptanks, to swoop in and kill me as I'm on final. People in this game give no quarter and honestly you shouldn't expect it. Just fly and have fun, yeah it sucks to get shot down and it sucks even more to get shot down in really lame ways but oh well, it's a game. Have fun.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Nah, it was TB and the guy I colided with. I have the feeling I was chaced because the colision gave up my name
huh? why bring me into this?
ive let several pilots rtb after ive killed their eng
but it depends on the person if its 1 on 1 ill let u go and hope you die ditching
if you gang me and if i can ill kill everylast one of you
but thats me ive gotten serveral salutes for letting wounded birds go
also if i know its someone i like and they have a target already ill let him fight it out fair unless he shoots at me ....then i i take off my gloves
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Someone else already mentioned it, but i'll say it too: Honor in some pilots does exist, but you can never expect it. Let people off the hook if you really want to and you think they've deserved it somehow, but NEVER expect someone to do it to you.
IMO, letting someone off the hook gives them an opportunity to become a threat to you again. Once you have someone on the rocks, only a sentimental fool lets them go. Of course if they can not be a threat once you let em go, eg they're on fire or engine stopped etc, then thats a different mattter and letting them go/ditch becomes an option if you really want. A smoke trail just means you didnt do your job properly.
It seems you bought this situation on yourself anyway. You go into a hot zone, out-numbered, out-E'd, and get tagged then turn tail and try escape and fail. Not to mention how you got tagged. I never understand the people who say 'i wont fire on a HO if they arent firing'. Thats just weird. Firstly, most of the time its over too fast to make those sort of decisions - if you see them firing, you've left it too late to retaliate anyways, so you've opened yourself up to getting hit with nothing to show for it. Secondly, some people (like me) fly with tracers off, so you wont see it anyways. Thirdly, why the hang are you flying straight at another aircraft till you pass HO anyway??? You're giving up valuable maneuvering time. When i see these "cold-merger" types in the MA, i give em a good squirt as they fly by. It aint the DA, we aint dueling. If you don't defend yourself at all times, then you're asking for it, IMO.
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Originally posted by Yeager
The HO shot is a absolutely LEGITIMATE shot,
Legitimate shot for cheapshot morons! This is a game, if you want to fly through HOing everything like a moron, then don't come in here and claim legitimacy! Maybe if this were real life and death war, then kill the guy anyway you want to, but this is a dogfighting game, and HOing is a cheapshot tactic in a 1 vs 1! If you're outnumbered, then by all means HO away, but 1 vs 1, it's cheap!! Maybe you and Halycon, can get together for some lunch???
:aok
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Originally posted by Platano
I dont understand all this cacamania talk about Honor and Respect and wat nots in a game :huh :confused: :huh
Just last night I uped from a field in a 109g2 with a lone k4 and 110 strafing the town... I knew the k4 was a clueless tyke cuz hes strafing buildings in a k4...ok so Boom he's dead...the 110 is on autoclimb about 1k on top of me, probably afk. So I hit the WEP making my DB605 scream for all she could climbing up to this 110 and some other friendly comes on vox and says "hey plat, I think the 110's afk, you gonna shoot em down?" I'm like Hell yea. Then he's like "ok but there no honor in it"
In my head im like and? so wat. I can give two chits if he's AFK or not.
Honor? Pffttt... PUH-leeeze...
Oh BTW the 110 went boom-boom too :aok
that wasn't a lack of honor on your part.....it was a lack of intelligence on HIS part.......who the heeeelllll goes afk in a combat zone???????????:O
he deserved it!!
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I remember those "days of honor" from AW where a bingo call got you a free ride home. What the H*** were we thinking?
Where do you draw the line of honor? What about playing at a disadvantage? Alt, speed or unmatched planes?
Spits to the left, Yaks to the right, spin your partner dosey doe. Yehaw!
Times have changed. I'll kill anything I can get a shot on short of kill-stealing.
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Originally posted by halcyon
First off, takes two to HO.
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzt, wrong answer. Takes two to merge, one to HO.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzt, wrong answer. Takes two to merge, one to HO.
I try to stay out of my enemies gun arc at all time. If I merge head -on, it's my own fault gettin shot down.
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It depends, if the guy put up a good fight and I know he's out of ammo I sometimes let him run. Just depends if the guy tried to HO me or play dirty. If he was a good honest fight I'll let him go. If he tried to HO me, then I'll chase him all the way back to his base..lol
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Originally posted by TwinBoom
huh? why bring me into this?
ive let several pilots rtb after ive killed their eng
but it depends on the person if its 1 on 1 ill let u go and hope you die ditching
if you gang me and if i can ill kill everylast one of you
but thats me ive gotten serveral salutes for letting wounded birds go
also if i know its someone i like and they have a target already ill let him fight it out fair unless he shoots at me ....then i i take off my gloves
lol. Tbaron foo, not you. It was more of them sain hello to me the same way I would have said hello to them hehehe. Its part of the fun
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Originally posted by Max
I read your post to my dog. She went back to sleep. Thanks for sharing.
:rofl
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im new to this game but i must admit that letting someone "bingo" out of a fight is retarded. Mind you, I haven't had someone do this to me but have been on the short end of this stick quite a few times already. It seemed like a simple enough reason for me: If I cannot properly ration my fuel or ammo to get me into a fight, throught the fight, and back home, then I need to rethink my calculations and this lesson will be drilled into me with countless deaths until I learn. Plain as day, this isn't a FPS, you have to focus on the big picture, not just one fight at a time. As for losing oil, so what. Now that sounds like a good way to learn something new. Limited visiblility with time being scarce. Talk about a good training session. Just my 2 cents.
BTW thnx to all the vets that have given me little pointers here and there and in these forums.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzt, wrong answer. Takes two to merge, one to HO.
HO = Head On
Whether or not you fire your guns is up to you. So yes, it takes two for a head on.
And SkyRock, you personally can't make me angry on a forum or the video game just to let you know. Second, I never said I HO'd...you're the one that automatically assumed I did.
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Originally posted by halcyon
HO = Head On
Whether or not you fire your guns is up to you. So yes, it takes two for a head on.
And SkyRock, you personally can't make me angry on a forum or the video game just to let you know. Second, I never said I HO'd...you're the one that automatically assumed I did.
HO=cheap shot, in this game!!!!!!!! now if you want to get technical, HO really means Head On, but we here in this game refer to the word HO, as a cheap shot taken!!!!!!!!!!!!!:aok
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1. What is not honourable in a HO?? Is there something more honourable than giving you the possibility to kill him as well?? If you dont want the HO, simply avoid it, nothing is more easy than that.
2. A smoking planes is absolut combat worthy, specialy a Jug, which can fly very long with a smoking engine.
3. Why you didnt bail??? Its absolut ok to save you live by bailing and it would be absolut not honourable, if he would kill you at the chute.
4. Its absolut not honourable to expect from others(cry for mercy) to let you go as long as your plane is combat worthy. A lost elevator or aleron is a bigger handycap than a just smoked engine.
If your engine was shut out by someone else, or if someone else shot off a wingtip, then imho its not honourable to shoot the other plane down(in most situation i let such guys go).
Or if a plane, damaged by me, is to low for bailing out and obvious wanna ditch, its hounorable to let him do it and dishonourable to shoot him down.
If it was a long "close edge fight" its hobourable to let the damaged enemy go home as price for the great fight.
But its not dishonourable to shoot down a damaged but fully combat worthy plane with a for mercy crying pilot in it, of course its also not very honourable, its simply a thing needed to be done, otherwise the chat will fill up with "mercy cry´s" only cause the graphic show a hole in the wing.
No all things that dont add to the honour are dishonourable!!
Greetings,
Knegel
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I don't mean to be argumentative, but the first thing I thought was that you should have bailed.
I understand what you're saying. But nobody owes you a free ride, even if you fought well and honorably.
If you want to save your virtual life, bail or ditch. As long as you're still making a go of it, I say you're fair game. Enough folks so far have said that they would turn and shoot wounded as you were...makes me convinced to shoot all planes down until they are flaming dead.
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if ur still flying then ur still able to fight, so that makes u dangerous, so ur fair game.
ive only had 1 time that i got seriously peeved at being shoot down.
i was in a 38l and had 3 kills that i had worked "very" hard to get.i considered myself lucky to have lived (no vultch's straight acm kills).id taken damage to both engines (oil. so i was smoking with obvious damage) and aileron damage and headed back to base.i was on final and i spotted a spit high above the base.
now i thought who would shoot up a badly damaged bird on final so continued to land.well the spit wanted a cheep kill so he got one.
i was that peeved i was going to start slagging him off on 200 but i logged instead to cool down.
the guy is currantly ranked in the top 40 with just under a 1000 kills.(no wonder if he was after cheep kills).
now myself i will kill a plane if its still flying (unless i no its going to go down.that would be kill stealing) but if its trying to land ill leave him alone and let him land.
end of the day its a game.play it the way u want to.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
For me, I'll still let a guy go if he calls bingo, unless he turns back on me, I'll still hold my shot when running into a head on merge, till the clown HOs me then he gets it from then on(oh btw, for the F6 that HOed me, a HO is when you make a head on pass WITH guns blazing, its just a merge when you don't fire). I know its "just a game", but I'd still like to see it played with a little class, a little honor. Cheap shots, and gameing the game just pisses people off, and takes away from the fun.
"The PRO " <---thats funny stuff, this is a GAME.Unfortunatley this is how everyone in the MA plays now, they all must get those kills so to get thier name up in lights for the WTG's, and for the free steak knife set.We had some really good organized " CLEAN " fights in the DA last nite.Maybe you should organize some DA flights, you may actually have some fun.People fly differently when score is not INvolved.
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Originally posted by toonces3
I don't mean to be argumentative, but the first thing I thought was that you should have bailed.
I understand what you're saying. But nobody owes you a free ride, even if you fought well and honorably.
If you want to save your virtual life, bail or ditch. As long as you're still making a go of it, I say you're fair game. Enough folks so far have said that they would turn and shoot wounded as you were...makes me convinced to shoot all planes down until they are flaming dead.
:O What is going on here? It a game!!!!! Fight!!! He should have fought for his life. You guys sudgest bailing, diching, asking for mercy on 200 WTF?!?!?!??!?!:O
What is wrong with fighting? There was nothing wrong with his ride. His plane got a litle dirty and he ran home.
Honor? There is honor in fighting, (maybe since it is only a game). There is non in crying or running.
Why no one is recomending fighting for your life as an alternative is :furious :furious :furious :furious :furious :furious lol
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When I smoke another planes engine it's just like blood in the water to a shark.
KILL IT!!!:noid
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This is a game, if you want to fly through HOing everything like a moron, then don't come in here and claim legitimacy!
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You need to understand something: I take any and all shots that have a decent chance of passing through your central nervous system. Be it from behind, above, below, left to right, right to left, aft to forward, forward to aft and yes, even head on, and even as you float to earth in your blood stained silken rag. I will gun your brains out every chance I get. Thats why I play the G A M E.
You dont like it? tough **** buddy :cool:
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Originally posted by Yeager
This is a game, if you want to fly through HOing everything like a moron, then don't come in here and claim legitimacy!
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You need to understand something: I take any and all shots that have a decent chance of passing through your central nervous system. Be it from behind, above, below, left to right, right to left, aft to forward, forward to aft and yes, even head on, and even as you float to earth in your blood stained silken rag. I will gun your brains out every chance I get. Thats why I play the G A M E.
You dont like it? tough **** buddy :cool:
Your only chance of ever getting guns on me in a 1 vs 1 would be to cheapshot me! You would not stand a chance at outflying me!:aok
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*yawn* After 10 or more years playing these online sims I am amazed that the bbs "content" rarely changes.
A word to the wise "Never throw a complaint out on the bbs and expect Any one to agree with you"
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Originally posted by MajWoody
When I smoke another planes engine it's just like blood in the water to a shark.
KILL IT!!!:noid
It amazes me how many times you will be in a furball and see players going after the " Wounded Easy Kill" and not the other planes that are coming down upon them.Threat management is very important and only few do it.
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Funny how everyone talks about aerial combat as fair or honorable. Yeah, it is a game, but this game is about DEFEATING the fellow pilot. In other words you fly to kill no matter what. HOing, cherrypicking or whatever is a common practice here. Does it irritate me at times. Yeah, but it is war. If I see a RTB on 200, I will chase him/her down. I want him to come for me after he ups. Why? Because usually the guy who survives long enough to RTB due to gas or ammo is pretty good and I want to fly against him. I want to learn how to ACM better. The only way to do that is to fly against the good sticks. Stop the dam whining about Honor and BS.
Do you guys really think that the fighter jocks didnt go after a wonded duck or an RTB bomber. Dam straight they would. As some of you know my Grandad was a Jug pilot and he said there was no quarter given on any day. That pilot in your gunsight was coming for you also and would fill the plane and you full of cannon. I think the only time I would give a guy a break was when he bails and a CHUTE lights up. I enjoy bailing and watch the guy who shot me down get flamed by a squadie of mine. Yeah baby. Revenge is sweet.
So Stop Whining. Sounds like a Bish
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Originally posted by P47Gra
Dee Da Dee
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Originally posted by Platano
I dont understand all this cacamania talk about Honor and Respect and wat nots in a game :huh :confused: :huh
Just last night I uped from a field in a 109g2 with a lone k4 and 110 strafing the town... I knew the k4 was a clueless tyke cuz hes strafing buildings in a k4...ok so Boom he's dead...the 110 is on autoclimb about 1k on top of me, probably afk. So I hit the WEP making my DB605 scream for all she could climbing up to this 110 and some other friendly comes on vox and says "hey plat, I think the 110's afk, you gonna shoot em down?" I'm like Hell yea. Then he's like "ok but there no honor in it"
In my head im like and? so wat. I can give two chits if he's AFK or not.
Honor? Pffttt... PUH-leeeze...
Oh BTW the 110 went boom-boom too :aok
i love those afk killz
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Most of my deaths happen when I get bored on the 10+ minute hop to an cartoon airfield one inch away on the clipboard and I end up minimising the stupid game to come read this stupid Bsb or something equally as stupid....
There is no honor in what? sitting on a fart cushion staring into a LCD virtually interacting with a bunch of other hosers with lots of better things to do but without the sense to do them?
I agree :aok but it is so much fun ;)
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fugi,
years ago thats the way it was here for the most part.
Now with the many numerous players and horde mentality it would be a very rare occurance for that to happen.
I gave up letting a crippled plane go along time ago when they stopped letting me go as well.
Just my 2 cents
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Originally posted by SkyRock
You are a moron! Apparently, you don't know you are a moron, so you continue typing moronic statements like this one here in the BBS. Shut it, HO twit!:aok
HTC shouldn't alow this kind of vocabulary, your insults on the game chat and BB are tolerated for years and make this game a disgusting experience for lot of players
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Originally posted by ghi
HTC shouldn't alow this kind of vocabulary, your insults on the game chat and BB are tolerated for years and make this game a disgusting experience for lot of players
ghi, u pik me out of all the 200 comments and cpid's that are offensive for this comment??? look right at the end buddy......it's a smiley face that's winking! Why would you take this so seriously????
Seriously, Ghi get a life and get off my ankle. I have nearly 100 screenshots of 200 bantor involving name calling, sexual refrences, personal attacks, attacks about peoples family's, threats, and the list goes on from many different individuals. If you have a problem with me, then make sure you take your foot out of your mouth before singling me out!
Just from this thread:
from yeager in this thread, "or to get ghey with some "childish honor code"
from Halycon in this thread "Why are you such a ******* anyway?"
now would you like to see some from the other threads???
Mark
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Any plane is a danger, any plane is a potential kill. I don't follow damaged planes only if it would put me in danger E wise, except when I'm an "arranged" fight.
Believing in the net chivalry will hurt you more than actually dieing in a HO :) I often fight with Bruv119 for exemple, we respect each other but we are mercyless, he won't hesitate to HO me in his tempest if he thinks I can't meet the angle, and I'll do the same.
And don't underestimate flaming planes, they are ready to give up everything to have a last kill before they go boom.
Cruel virtual world isn't it ? :t
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Originally posted by P47Gra
Do you guys really think that the fighter jocks didnt go after a wonded duck or an RTB bomber. Dam straight they would. As some of you know my Grandad was a Jug pilot and he said there was no quarter given on any day. That pilot in your gunsight was coming for you also and would fill the plane and you full of cannon. I think the only time I would give a guy a break was when he bails and a CHUTE lights up. I enjoy bailing and watch the guy who shot me down get flamed by a squadie of mine. Yeah baby. Revenge is sweet.
So Stop Whining. Sounds like a Bish
Several times it did happen that a wounded Bomber dont got shot down. Mainly they got forced to land, one time for sure a german 109g pilot did lead the badly damaged B17, which lost orientation, over the coast, so it could rtb.
The german pilot later did live in canada, where someone found him 60 years later to thank him.
Also while BoB such things did happen.
I did read several storys where pilots of the damaged plane wrote about oponents who stopped the attack after the plane wasnt combat worthy anymore.
To shoot to pilots under the chute or to obvious not combat worthy planes imho is like killing POW´s which obvious will get freed within the next day´s.
Thats the morale of the dark age, "its war" is only a cheap excuse for the murders among the soldiers.
If we agree that killing soldiers under the chute or in a not combat worthy plane is ok to prevent that this solder will fight me again, then its also ok to kill the complete enemy population, to prevent that i need to fight them again(if Napoleon would have killed all Prussians in 1803, he wouldnt have lost Waterloo etc).
Such things are against our main religion and against the general condex of honour as well.
Who agree to such tactics shouldnt complain about terrorism, massacres and torture. Stalin, Hitler and some terrorists from today was/are like this, do we want to be in the same class, with the excuse "its war"??
Actually i cant understand that people come up with such a crappy argument in a "War Game", where the word game alone implement sportmanschip and fair play.
Many Soldiers in WWII was willing and able to follow the codex of honour, despite the HO particular gave other commands, why we should take the others as "good example" to follow??
Only my opinion.
Knegel
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Originally posted by SkyRock
ghi, u pik me out of all the 200 comments and cpid's that are offensive for this comment??? look right at the end buddy......it's a smiley face that's winking! Why would you take this so seriously????
Seriously, Ghi get a life and get off my ankle. I have nearly 100 screenshots of 200 bantor involving name calling, sexual refrences, personal attacks, attacks about peoples family's, threats, and the list goes on from many different individuals. If you have a problem with me, then make sure you take your foot out of your mouth before singling me out!
Just from this thread:
from yeager in this thread, "or to get ghey with some "childish honor code"
from Halycon in this thread "Why are you such a ******* anyway?"
now would you like to see some from the other threads???
Mark
Okay I'm going to attempt to be civil, adult, and serious here, and I hope SkyRock that you can return the favor.
Smiley face or not, your original comment of me being a moron and a HO twit is immature, childish, and just rude. It's not funny, even with the smiley face at the end.
The context in which it's taken is negative, and maybe if you had only said that it might have been passed off as a "hehe okay good one." But from observing what you say in game and in the forums here, your general attitude and demeanor is all about "I'm the best and you suck." Maybe that's not what you're trying to say, but that's how it's coming off.
Continually insulting people, putting people down, and boasting about how good you are constantly gets old very quick, and people start to just either ignore it, take it personally, or worse.
Myself, I don't take it personally because I believe you're just trying to keep people on their toes and you figure you're trying to harden their skin against verbal taunts.
But seriously...there's a line and I think you've crossed it. Just letting you know from an adult point of view. It's up to you, but I would suggest toning down the ego a bit and try using non detrimental humor.....you could be surprised at how it turns out. :)
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Originally posted by halcyon
Okay I'm going to attempt to be civil, adult, and serious here, and I hope SkyRock that you can return the favor.
Smiley face or not, your original comment of me being a moron and a HO twit is immature, childish, and just rude. It's not funny, even with the smiley face at the end.
The context in which it's taken is negative, and maybe if you had only said that it might have been passed off as a "hehe okay good one." But from observing what you say in game and in the forums here, your general attitude and demeanor is all about "I'm the best and you suck." Maybe that's not what you're trying to say, but that's how it's coming off.
Continually insulting people, putting people down, and boasting about how good you are constantly gets old very quick, and people start to just either ignore it, take it personally, or worse.
Myself, I don't take it personally because I believe you're just trying to keep people on their toes and you figure you're trying to harden their skin against verbal taunts.
But seriously...there's a line and I think you've crossed it. Just letting you know from an adult point of view. It's up to you, but I would suggest toning down the ego a bit and try using non detrimental humor.....you could be surprised at how it turns out. :)
I would add that some people who behave as you describe here, appear to enjoy pissing others off just for the fun of it. This is half the game to them, sometimes even more. These are 'griefers' who are really just closet sadists by nature. In the real world, most would get their teeth kicked in if they behaved with people as they do in here. Anonimity of the Internet is such a wonderful gift to them. This is their 'escape', 'entertainment' and 'relaxation' from reality -- where they can try to inflict whatever verbal pain they can in an effort to boost their fragile egos. They are pretty easy to spot and generally ignore.
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Originally posted by halcyon
Okay I'm going to attempt to be civil, adult, and serious here, and I hope SkyRock that you can return the favor.
Smiley face or not, your original comment of me being a moron and a HO twit is immature, childish, and just rude. It's not funny, even with the smiley face at the end.
The context in which it's taken is negative, and maybe if you had only said that it might have been passed off as a "hehe okay good one." But from observing what you say in game and in the forums here, your general attitude and demeanor is all about "I'm the best and you suck." Maybe that's not what you're trying to say, but that's how it's coming off.
Continually insulting people, putting people down, and boasting about how good you are constantly gets old very quick, and people start to just either ignore it, take it personally, or worse.
Myself, I don't take it personally because I believe you're just trying to keep people on their toes and you figure you're trying to harden their skin against verbal taunts.
But seriously...there's a line and I think you've crossed it. Just letting you know from an adult point of view. It's up to you, but I would suggest toning down the ego a bit and try using non detrimental humor.....you could be surprised at how it turns out. :)
I'm sorry! I guess you turned out to be a non-moron after all. :aok
SkyRock<---owns Halcyon!:t
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Originally posted by halcyon
And SkyRock, you personally can't make me angry
In time, chin up!!
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Originally posted by Knegel
Several times it did happen that a wounded Bomber dont got shot down. Mainly they got forced to land, one time for sure a german 109g pilot did lead the badly damaged B17, which lost orientation, over the coast, so it could rtb.
The german pilot later did live in canada, where someone found him 60 years later to thank him.
Also while BoB such things did happen.
I did read several storys where pilots of the damaged plane wrote about oponents who stopped the attack after the plane wasnt combat worthy anymore.
To shoot to pilots under the chute or to obvious not combat worthy planes imho is like killing POW´s which obvious will get freed within the next day´s.
Thats the morale of the dark age, "its war" is only a cheap excuse for the murders among the soldiers.
If we agree that killing soldiers under the chute or in a not combat worthy plane is ok to prevent that this solder will fight me again, then its also ok to kill the complete enemy population, to prevent that i need to fight them again(if Napoleon would have killed all Prussians in 1803, he wouldnt have lost Waterloo etc).
Such things are against our main religion and against the general condex of honour as well.
Who agree to such tactics shouldnt complain about terrorism, massacres and torture. Stalin, Hitler and some terrorists from today was/are like this, do we want to be in the same class, with the excuse "its war"??
Actually i cant understand that people come up with such a crappy argument in a "War Game", where the word game alone implement sportmanschip and fair play.
Many Soldiers in WWII was willing and able to follow the codex of honour, despite the HO particular gave other commands, why we should take the others as "good example" to follow??
Only my opinion.
Knegel
Lets forget that our country has done the above at one time or another and answer this question for me, please.
In real war, you bail to save your life. In a game, you bail, well, why?
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Originally posted by dedalos
Lets forget that our country has done the above at one time or another and answer this question for me, please.
In real war, you bail to save your life. In a game, you bail, well, why?
I know this wasn't directed at me but in the game I bail because my plane isn't flyable and I get more points for a bail (either successful or captured) than a crash.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
I know this wasn't directed at me but in the game I bail because my plane isn't flyable and I get more points for a bail (either successful or captured) than a crash.
It was kind of directed at everyone. Excelent answer. Nothing to do with honor and the rest of the BS some these guys are talking about. It is about points. Nothing wrong with that, I just did not like the BS about honor these guys came up with. They get pissed off because they think they deserver points for hitting enter 3 times :rofl
Thank you
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I dunno but when I take an engine oil hit, thats when I get more aggressive. I would have been inclined to turn around and HO him with fervor.
shamus
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I recall three instances in AH1:
1.) Flew into a base, in LA7. I get tangled up with a Yak. We duke it out for almost 10 minutes. I could have HO'd him many times, and he could have done the same. He ran out of fuel near his base, I broke off and let him land. Then I see SYSTEM: Channel 1: IceMAW <> to the La7 who didn't HO. I saluted back, and flew with MAW in Friday Night Ops for a few months.
2.) I get into it with a 109F4, and I'm in a spit 9. For almost 15 minutes we are turning, climbing, dodging, diving, etc. I hit his Oil, he got a flap. I had used up my cannon. I typed on Channel 1 that I was bingo cannon. All of a sudden, I get a huge "Thank You" from shamus. We both saw it as a great fight, even though no kill was awarded. We never "HO'd", just had an intense fight for 15 minutes, and went rtb.
3.) I recall a fight in Pizza map. Bish attack our field. I up an La7 and quickly get 4, refuel, get 2. Upon the 2nd rearm I notice another La7. We get into one of the best fights I have ever been in. I end up losing both ailerons, both elevators, and both flaps. His plane was banged up good too, and he asked who it was on Channel 1. I replied and he asked "Why are you headed away from your base?" I told him I only had the rudder left as a control surface. He showed me quarter because "if you can land that plane in that bad of shape, I need to see it". I landed, and he never let me forget about that fight. It was SECOmust.
I still get PM's from some of the older crowd of simmers, for quarter. To me, if yer that hellbent on bottomfeeding an oil dripping, water venting beat up cartoon airplane then good for you. But if someone gives me a good fight, I'll let him go, provided he doesn't turn around. I don't need kills that bad to improve my score. I think a lot of people that play this game, take it WAY too serious.
I know FOR A FACT that if I get into fight with someone like SkyRock, Dolfo, Corky, Silat, shamus, rob53, Hajo, and many others. If I'm that beat up or they, quarter CAN/and WILL BE shown. It's happened to many times to count. It's just rarer to come across these guys. As they know I'm not out "to get every kill possible". Hell, there are times where I have never pulled the trigger, but have had some of the best turnfights. For me now, it's about the fight, and less about the kills.
The bottom line is this, while the above incidents may seem like embellishment, they are not so. They are merely examples of "courtesy".
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I recall three instances in AH1:
Yep, but the difference is that they all put up a good fight and you guys had fun. They did not HO and run for the closest base.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
.....................I know FOR A FACT that if I get into fight with someone like SkyRock, Dolfo, Corky, Silat, shamus, rob53, Hajo, and many others. If I'm that beat up or they, quarter CAN/and WILL BE shown. It's happened to many times to count. It's just rarer to come across these guys. As they know I'm not out "to get every kill possible". Hell, there are times where I have never pulled the trigger, but have had some of the best turnfights. For me now, it's about the fight, and less about the kills.
This is what I was talking about. Old School guys were like that, and it was just one of those things that was cool. In my original post the "Pro" is a guy I would have considered "old school" and it was why I was surprised he felt the need to chase me down and finish me off. The whole escapde was just an example of what I see as the community falling into the crapper.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
This is what I was talking about. Old School guys were like that, and it was just one of those things that was cool. In my original post the "Pro" is a guy I would have considered "old school" and it was why I was surprised he felt the need to chase me down and finish me off. The whole escapde was just an example of what I see as the community falling into the crapper.
Those kinda folks are still around. I don't agree that the "community is falling into the crapper".
Folks play the game for different reasons. There have always been those that play it like it really matters and that every kill and every point is the most important thing out there and that their ego's suffer if they don't believe they are the greatest cartoon pilot to walk the planet.....as if it matters :)
All kinds of good folks in this community too. I'm enjoying AH as much as I ever have and probably as much as I did AW during my early days when it was all so new.
In the end it still comes down to how I approach the game and how I choose to play. I don't expect anything from anyone else, so any of the good stuff is a bonus :)
With that in mind, you'll see the Headhunter 38s cruising along 5K or below looking for trouble, knowing we'll probably get mugged in the end, but the chance to have at it is all that really matters along with wondering how many more 38 parts we've left on the arena floor and how many baduns we took with us:D
As long as planes are free and we're not really dying, finding the biggest red dar bar and plowing into it is all that really matters:aok
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if someone like dan or others get hoed and gotta rtb and ask, i will let em slide all be it rarley do they ask. 2 nights ago i was going at it with akELFY and WMlute, and ink. akelfy kept coming back and we were having a ball as did lute, eventaully lute and i wandted a 1 on 1 so i told the local sheep to get of lutes 6, and when i got within wing distance i saw that lute was missing an elevator, so i asked him to plz rtb as it wasnt fair fight, he siad hell no then we fought it was a great fight. Until his disadvantage allowed me to get around on his 6. then akelfy bnz me who gives a crud;) it was all in good sport! keep it fun keep it cool, and keep fun is my policy
ps freezman lovie the afk plane kills makes em so easy i sometimes wing with them then kill em when i get bored ;) lol
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I wouldnt have let ya go. A smoking bird is blood in the water as far as I am concerned.
That being said.... I understand your frustration and have experenced it many times myself. I have been let off the hook in the past and have returned the favor myself a time or 2. Its not something you should expect though IMO.
Just take a break, grab a cold one then grab a new bird. ;)
No Worrys. It is what it is.
Dave
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I know FOR A FACT that if I get into fight with someone like SkyRock, Dolfo, Corky, Silat, shamus, rob53, Hajo, and many others. If I'm that beat up or they, quarter CAN/and WILL BE shown. It's happened to many times to count. It's just rarer to come across these guys. As they know I'm not out "to get every kill possible". Hell, there are times where I have never pulled the trigger, but have had some of the best turnfights. For me now, it's about the fight, and less about the kills.
The bottom line is this, while the above incidents may seem like embellishment, they are not so. They are merely examples of "courtesy".
These, for the most part, only happen when you both know exactly who you are fighting and once that is established, if there is mutal respect, then incidents as you have described take place more often than most realize.
Just last night I was bangin heads with Coronado ... we both had situations where we let the other guy "go home" ... but it was only because we knew it was each other and we both have respect for each other and when we do fight ... we want the best the other has to offer cause it's gonna be one helluva fight.
Now, if I didn't know it was Coronado and he was flying near me smokin' or we tangled and I get an oil hit on him ... he is NOT GOING HOME if I have anything to say about. If he were to shout out on 200 and I saw it ... I would let him go ... but only because it was him.
Giving "Quarter" in this game is a result of "respect" ... mutal respect to be more exact ... I have my own metal list of those that fall into this category.
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And that's how you build the community. Folks talking, sharing the wealth, enjoying the fight and keeping it in perspective.
Again it starts with each of us and how we approach the fight. For those of us who talk so much about the community and where it's going, this is what it's all about.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
These, for the most part, only happen when you both know exactly who you are fighting and once that is established, if there is mutal respect, then incidents as you have described take place more often than most realize.
Just last night I was bangin heads with Coronado ... we both had situations where we let the other guy "go home" ... but it was only because we knew it was each other and we both have respect for each other and when we do fight ... we want the best the other has to offer cause it's gonna be one helluva fight.
Now, if I didn't know it was Coronado and he was flying near me smokin' or we tangled and I get an oil hit on him ... he is NOT GOING HOME if I have anything to say about. If he were to shout out on 200 and I saw it ... I would let him go ... but only because it was him.
Giving "Quarter" in this game is a result of "respect" ... mutal respect to be more exact ... I have my own metal list of those that fall into this category.
True, but you know what I was sayin'.:D
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if you ask me, which you don't, i would say that the very biggest problem with our community is long term players setting a poor example for the newer guys. A lot of the damage has been done on this forum and almost all of us are responsible for what we turned this game into now, and what we make of it in the future.
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Originally posted by Nomak
I wouldnt have let ya go. A smoking bird is blood in the water as far as I am concerned.
Dave
i have yto agree with this........i've left a LOT of fights trailing oil smoke from one of my engines(usually #2..seems kinda funny that way in the 38)and with some sort of fuel leak, although i'm not good enough to be leaving the fight with multiple kills......i just wanna put my bird back on friendly concrete in whats left of its one piece. but i can be cruisin in a sector that shows no nmys....but miracously, 3 to 5 seem to entere the sector, find my smoke trails, and run me down:lol . it is howerver fun when ya can make em overshoot ya a couple times before they kill ya.
or there was last night in LW,,,,,i took down the 1 of the buffs that ghost66 didn't have enough ammo for, then cleared a seafire off someone else's 6, grabbed a bit of alt, got into a scuffle with a n1ki, and let him get the better of me(i REALLY thought a 38J could out turn them), so i cried like a sissy for help, and draged him right over friendly GV's....they did an awsome job clearnig him off me, but not before i was hurt bad......all the typical p38 smoke trails.....i thanked them and headed to rtb........8 miles away from the scene of the combat, i see a couple bogies, but looks like they don't see me...i dive to treetop anyway as they already had alt, hoping to blend in...well...they not only saw me, but it was like a shark frenzy......2 niks, a spit, and i think i saw an la back there.....on the fun note, it did take them a couple minutes to finish me off:D :D ....but no quarter shown,.,,i didn't ask or expect..and to be honest i think in reverse situation..i'd have done exactly what they did.........
:noid
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Originally posted by Nomak
I wouldnt have let ya go. A smoking bird is blood in the water as far as I am concerned.
That being said.... I understand your frustration and have experenced it many times myself. I have been let off the hook in the past and have returned the favor myself a time or 2. Its not something you should expect though IMO.
Just take a break, grab a cold one then grab a new bird. ;)
No Worrys. It is what it is.
Dave
i need to ad too...i do avoid entering in on someone elses kill, unless they ask for help....:D
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With me is who I am fighting against. If I know who it is I will let them go sometimes even when I get on their 6 after a good fight I wont fire. Instead I ll break off so we can try it again. I'll even fight someone when bingo ammo if they keep coming for me just for the fun of it and it is not because I don't care about dieing. Ill do everything I can to stay alive by fighting.
Sometimes though, because I know who it is, I will do everything I can to make sure they don't land. SHawk is my witnes :rofl :p
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
This is what I was talking about. Old School guys were like that, and it was just one of those things that was cool. In my original post the "Pro" is a guy I would have considered "old school" and it was why I was surprised he felt the need to chase me down and finish me off. The whole escapde was just an example of what I see as the community falling into the crapper.
Also in old times a just smoked engine wasnt a reason to let someone go.
You simply overstress the rules of honour to your favour.
You try to sell you was helpless, but you wasnt and that the other guy was better than you you only could guess and since you never did try to win, you never will know, if he would have won the fight.
If you play this game so long you also should be a "prof" and you should be able to fight with a bit oil on the screen.
If you would have been able to stay alive until your oil was empty and the engine was dead and so your plane wasnt combat worthy anymore, then i absolutly would agree to you.
Not to fight inside a combat worthy plane is the dishonourable behaviour here, it was your mistake not to disengage in time. You did decide to get into this fureball of enemys, so you have to fight as long as you can.
To fight as long as your plane allow it and as long as you cant disengage is one part of the game.
What would you have done, if your engine didnt smok??
I dont see a reason to behave much different, he was above you, so he would have attacked you anyway. Your engine still had the same power and your plane still had all rudders and guns, so there was no reason not to fight.
Otherwise i did engage many pilots, who didnt shot after my engine was out or after my wingtip was gone.
Greetings,
Knegel
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i hate it when ur comin back from a bombin run with ur formation and some1 kills u
or u say blackout and everyone jumps on u
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I've been reading these posts and thinking about it and I would have tried to make a run for home as you did but failing that by all means I would have fought.
I sometimes keep fighting even when I'm bingo ammo. It's better to be offensive than defensive and maybe I can distract an opponent for someone else, drag one for them, or at least look for my opportunity to exit while I control the tempo of the fight.
I've also scored kills as a glider on several occasions (had a beauty in a A6M-2 against a FW190-A5 in EW a few weeks ago). Oil on the windscreen is nothing.
BTW, I posted in the AC forum last week, I was fighting in a Yak-9U after losing 1 aileron, 1 flap, 1 gun, 1 fuel tank and my rudder to a C-Hog. Home field was nerby so I could have landed at any time and eventually did but why land when you can still fly and fight?
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I have read posts from both sides....Let a dying bird go or hose him. To be honest I have changed my thinking. If I see a dying bird and follow him/her I will not ACM unless he turns into me. Then all bets are off. Ill be on 200 guys just waiting to be hosed.
Jugman.
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play the game however you want, just remember, its a war game, and if you get killed, well.....its your own damned fault :rolleyes:
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Knegel
Only my opinion.
Thanks for your opinion and I respect it. I have sat at my Grandpops side as he was telling some gruesome stories of guys trying to limp back in their burning planes. One instance was a defenseless Jug on fire returning to a base in England. They were both jumped by a trio of 109's. The Jug pilot had no guns left and the plane was in no shape to fight. My Grandpop downed one and damaged one. The wounded Jug exploded as cannon entered the cockpit. Did theGerman Pilot have it in his mind to put a guy out of his misery. Maybe he did or didnt. My Grandpop definitely did not think so. When I have a little time I will break out the diaries he wrote in.
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Originally posted by P47Gra
Knegel
Only my opinion.
Thanks for your opinion and I respect it. I have sat at my Grandpops side as he was telling some gruesome stories of guys trying to limp back in their burning planes. One instance was a defenseless Jug on fire returning to a base in England. They were both jumped by a trio of 109's. The Jug pilot had no guns left and the plane was in no shape to fight. My Grandpop downed one and damaged one. The wounded Jug exploded as cannon entered the cockpit. Did theGerman Pilot have it in his mind to put a guy out of his misery. Maybe he did or didnt. My Grandpop definitely did not think so. When I have a little time I will break out the diaries he wrote in.
Knegel
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Sorry to say my mind, but I find your story highly suspect!
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
if you ask me, which you don't, i would say that the very biggest problem with our community is long term players setting a poor example for the newer guys. A lot of the damage has been done on this forum and almost all of us are responsible for what we turned this game into now, and what we make of it in the future.
Never a truer word said........rep what you sow lads.
I ain't no saint in this matter being like curdled milk to some of the blue fungus we have growing in the game and these very boards.
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First, I have a real hard time considering shooting down any plane that's still has wings and a tail - or is still firing - as ever being "dishonorable", regardless of how it might be previously damaged and by whom. (As long as it's not a threat to anyone - I ran into the exception to that the other night. A plane saddled up on a countrymate lost 1/2 a wing to one of us trying to clear him, but continues to try like mad to get a kill shot in.) And if it's my kill I reserve the right to continue to fire on you long after you should be dead to make sure.
Second, if I let you go it's usually because I don't consider the reward for chasing you down worth the risk. I play the game to RTB as much as possible, because to me that just seems "real". Don't consider it respect - I don't know any of you well enough to let you go out of respect (maybe some day). Don't expect to reach me on CH 200, either - it's usually so infantile I don't have it tuned most of the time.
Thirdly, "an old "Pro" shot someone down when they had the opportunity to" = "community going to pot" is pretty ludicrous.