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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: texasmom on June 25, 2007, 12:27:28 PM
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Why do the idiot politicians make it sound like the recent veto is a step back for embryonic stem cell research?
That in no way hinders organizations from conducting the research. It's about the money ~ saying the american tax payers aren't going to fund it.
Duh.
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Everyone knows you don't need to "research" them. You just take the dead fetus, crack it open and suck the cells right out!
Goes great with Salsa!
super powers follow soon afterwards.
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Hack-Man!:D
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Stem Cell treatment has saved the lives of two very close friends who had been told there cancer was un-treatable. They are both in full remission.
After this, i'm 100% for it.
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Stem cell research has found cures, (Adult stem cells). Embryonic stem cell research has not cured anything yet.
At this point the topic is strictly a partisan divider from one party to the other, to make them look bad in the public eye.
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California alone is already spending more on embryonic stem cell research than the federal government would have without the Bush veto.
Unless Congress comes up with the votes to override, they need to stop beating this dead horse until the Bush administration moves out.
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i'm in favor of storm cell research, storm cells breed tornadoes and hurricanes and kill people and break things, we must do everything we can to stop storm cells.
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the feds and kalifornia are not "funding" anything.
They don't have any money to fund anything. What we are talking about is letting kalifornia and the feds take money from us to spend on it.
lazs
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Originally posted by texasmom
Why do the idiot politicians make it sound like the recent veto is a step back for embryonic stem cell research?
That in no way hinders organizations from conducting the research. It's about the money ~ saying the american tax payers aren't going to fund it.
Duh.
Bingo.
First it should be understood that it's only embryonic stem cell research that has been denied funding.
A lot of flash and smoke is being used to try and say that no research is being done simply because federal funding has been witheld. I would say it's time to have telethons like they do for MS and some other equally valid research items. Michael J Fox is welcome to fund as much as he wants from his more than adequate funds.
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Originally posted by texasmom
Why do the idiot politicians make it sound like the recent veto is a step back for embryonic stem cell research?
That in no way hinders organizations from conducting the research. It's about the money ~ saying the american tax payers aren't going to fund it.
Duh.
because the average dumbarse can't figure that out and they believe Bush is killing the Michael J Fox's of the world by not letting my tax dollars hack up murdered babies in something some called "research".
If it was the wonder cure, funding would not be the issue as everyone would be investing in it .. privately, the gov does not need to be involved. Just another thing right Bush has done but has been twisted by the ,left and their media buds to portray something evil, wrong and stupid.
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Originally posted by lazs2
the feds and kalifornia are not "funding" anything.
They don't have any money to fund anything. What we are talking about is letting kalifornia and the feds take money from us to spend on it.
lazs
California voters approved the funding specifically for the research.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6384390/
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Don't waste time on embryonic stem cells in the USA.
The French will get the lead :t
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Originally posted by Angus
Don't waste time on embryonic stem cells in the USA.
The French will get the lead :t
Let them finance it, then we'll just steal their medical procedures. :t
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Hehe, we too :t :t
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Research with cord-blood stem cells and adult stem cells are chock full of promise. A number of successes have already been achieved... real cures, as opposed to those that are merely theoretical, pie-in-the-sky fantasies.
Embryonic stem cell research: no successes. Zilch. Nada. The problems controlling the growth of these cells in the lab are proving to be insuperable. In my opinion, this is poetic justice for those scientists and their supporters who have so cavalierly brushed aside the ethical and moral questions about conducting such research.
More money won't overcome these problems. Government funds would be far more wisely spend on cord-blood and adult stem cell research.
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The US leads the world in funding for embyonic stem cell research, outspending the UK by something like 3-to-1. The Bush administration if the FIRST to federally fund embryonic stem cell (zilch under Clinton). The only constraint placed on that funding is that no new embryos could be destroyed using Federal funds. This was a prudent decision, since as of the moment no human clinical trials have been successful using embryonic stem cells (and only one or two have even gotten approval to try, with disasterous results). Adult stem cells, on the other hand, have resulted in over a hundred human clinical trials, with a great deal of success. Actual approved treatments using ASC are now available. Moral issues asside, there is no good reason to through hundreds of millions of our tax dollars at ESC research. The only reason some are for it is because private funding is drying up (due to lack of success).
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Adult stem cells: 65 clinical trials on LIVE human beings, lives being saved.
Embryonic stem cells: zeeeerrrrooooo, and no promise, either. They have hit a wall with the problem of multiple tumors developing in whatever they inject the cells into.
Aside from that, if you don't ask me to fund research on murdered babies, I won't ask you to help fund Boy Scouts, kids going to religious schools, or those pesky crosses and Ten Commandments on government property, all of which seems to upset liberals so.
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Come on Sabre, you're ruining a good "Bad Bush" rant by the left! :mad:
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Stem cell research has found cures, (Adult stem cells). Embryonic stem cell research has not cured anything yet.
At this point the topic is strictly a partisan divider from one party to the other, to make them look bad in the public eye.
Whoops, I guess I am too. ;)
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
California voters approved the funding specifically for the research.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6384390/
I'd vote for funding research on stem cell removal from living liberals. ;)
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The issue isn't stem cells.
It's the embryonic ones.
It's called Fishing with Embryos financed by the Fed.
I'm against it.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Stem cell research has found cures, (Adult stem cells). Embryonic stem cell research has not cured anything yet.
At this point the topic is strictly a partisan divider from one party to the other, to make them look bad in the public eye.
Originally posted by bj229r
Adult stem cells: 65 clinical trials on LIVE human beings, lives being saved.
Embryonic stem cells: zeeeerrrrooooo, and no promise, either. They have hit a wall with the problem of multiple tumors developing in whatever they inject the cells into.
Aside from that, if you don't ask me to fund research on murdered babies, I won't ask you to help fund Boy Scouts, kids going to religious schools, or those pesky crosses and Ten Commandments on government property, all of which seems to upset liberals so.
some people get it, others just jump up and down hearing the phrase "stem cell" without knowing a single fact on it.
kudos to you 2 for knowing the truth and attempting (however futile it may seem) to spread the word
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yes.. kalifornia voters did vote to impose more taxes on each other to give to the government so that they could "fund" stem cell research. kalifornians vote to tax themselves on any number of things every day. It is good that we are such a large state with ports and farmland abundant that we can afford to lower the income of our citizens with higher taxes.
lazs