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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: halcyon on June 25, 2007, 01:32:23 PM
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I see a lot of people posting stuff with reference to "losing kills" or "getting my rank lower" or "my score is higher then yours."
I'd just like to say, score and rank mean absolutely jack in this game.
Your rank does not prove you're a better pilot then anyone else, same goes for score.
I'm really tired of people trash talking others and then pulling out the inevitable, "I've got the higher rank so I'm better." I know plenty of pilots that have ranks in the thousands that can cream some in the hundreds.
Score and rank in this game do nothing more then salve the extreme gamer ego, making him feel good because he believes he's better then someone else. Personally I think it puts a dent into the game some, because some people treat it like an arcade and will do anything they can just to boost their own score.
Anyway, just felt like posting this.
Flame on.
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Depends on how they fly. Some people have really high k/d but low k/s or low k/t which means they are most likely a cherry picker. The cherry pickers dont usually have a high k/t or a high k/s. Those that like to get down in the furball will sometimes have a high k/d but not as high as a cherry picker but will probably have a higher k/s or k/t.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Depends on how they fly. Some people have really high k/d but low k/s or low k/t which means they are most likely a cherry picker. The cherry pickers dont usually have a high k/t or a high k/s. Those that like to get down in the furball will sometimes have a high k/d but not as high as a cherry picker but will probably have a higher k/s or k/t.
I can attest, this player is tongue-twisted-verbal dweeb as well. ROFLMAO.
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well i totally agree with you halcyon its only a game but people will get better weather they play alot or not its just practice but if someone brags about it then maybe they shoud face luche or vanscrew to find out how good they realy are.
i fly to get kills but dont fly to brag about it
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Originally posted by Bosco123
well i totally agree with you halcyon its only a game but people will get better weather they play alot or not its just practice but if someone brags about it then maybe they shoud face luche or vanscrew to find out how good they realy are.
No one finds out how good he really is by fighting those two players... there are hundreds of better ones to be measured against.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
luche or vanscrew to find out how good they realy are.
:rofl :lol :rofl :lol :rofl He said Vanscrew! I though I was gonna fall out of my chair
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I disagree. Other than vulching your buddy or your second account getting into the top ranks takes some amount of skill and means you had to fight someone somewhere along the line.
Oh sure, a guy raked in the 2000's might be able to beat up on someone ranked in the top 100 but look more closely at their scores. The guy in to 2000's might also be a top 2-300 fighter jock while the other is much lower.
If it's so easy and so meaningless then eveyone should be at the top right?
It seems to me the thing that gets so many people charged up about it is that there are so many ways to get there. Bombing, attack, GV's and fighters plus all the sub-stats contained in each and to get near the top you have to be at least decent in all of them.
The one reason I'll agree a little is that I think the EW/MW scores and the LW scores need to be seperated. When I fly EW/MW I often find myself beating much higher ranked players, even looking at fighter rank vs fighter rank. That tells me the competition level isn't generally as high in EW/MW as in LW although I know that there are some very skilled players there at least on occasion.
The other reason I'll agree somewhat is the furballers/base defenders vs. cherry-pickers/vultures difference. The later group will generally score better than the former, although the former will generally be better pilots.
Milking in EW/MW will also only get you so far. Eventually you have to fight and win.
I check the scores of people I shoot down and those that shoot me down. I look at it in ranges of scores. Is a guy top 50? top 100? top 500? top 1000? I also check their K/D and K/S because that's usually a pretty good indicator of how good they are. If you really want to know what a guy has go look at his kill stats in expanded format. You can see what he fly's and what he attacks and draw a pretty good picture of his fighting style.
Completely useless? No. Maybe just grey.
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Yes I argee with eagle. KD and KS can tell you alot about a person. 10+ KD means they are eather really really lucky or good at flying timid. On the other side when someone says "Im a better stick then you" and they have less then a 1.0 KD I call thier BS. I fly to kill and only RTB for ammo or fuel I think my KD is around 3 and my KS about 2. Another thing to look at is thier Hit %.
The overall score means nothing because most scorepotatos have really low bomber GV and attack ranks and have crappy fighter. Or fighter and attack swiched.
Only reason I ever try to keep good a good rank is to keep fleets outa retard hands.
(like the ones that try to take a little field with a box around it):rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Larry
Yes I argee with eagle. KD and KS can tell you alot about a person. 10+ KD means they are eather really really lucky or good at flying timid. On the other side when someone says "Im a better stick then you" and they have less then a 1.0 KD I call thier BS. I fly to kill and only RTB for ammo or fuel I think my KD is around 3 and my KS about 2. Another thing to look at is thier Hit %.
The overall score means nothing because most scorepotatos have really low bomber GV and attack ranks and have crappy fighter. Or fighter and attack swiched.
Only reason I ever try to keep good a good rank is to keep fleets outa retard hands.
(like the ones that try to take a little field with a box around it):rolleyes:
10+ K/D could also mean they only turn up at a field thats being vulched, get their vulches and run home.
Guys who've been playing the game a long time, know who these guys are, and also know the good sticks.
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Originally posted by Husky01
:rofl :lol :rofl :lol :rofl He said Vanscrew! I though I was gonna fall out of my chair
I did :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Maybe he was being sarkastic? :rofl
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Originally posted by Larry
Yes I argee with eagle. KD and KS can tell you alot about a person. 10+ KD means they are eather really really lucky or good at flying timid. On the other side when someone says "Im a better stick then you" and they have less then a 1.0 KD I call thier BS. I fly to kill and only RTB for ammo or fuel I think my KD is around 3 and my KS about 2. Another thing to look at is thier Hit %.
The overall score means nothing because most scorepotatos have really low bomber GV and attack ranks and have crappy fighter. Or fighter and attack swiched.
Only reason I ever try to keep good a good rank is to keep fleets outa retard hands.
(like the ones that try to take a little field with a box around it):rolleyes:
Even hit % is a misnomer -- if ya fly a 50 cal plane you are spraying LOTS of lead, and said % will be lower. Of late, I see lotsa folks flyin K4's and squeezing off individual taters at point blank--always gonna have high% that way
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Originally posted by halcyon
" I know plenty of pilots that have ranks in the thousands that can cream some in the hundreds.
Let me fix this for you. You should have said: "I know plenty of pilots that have ranks in the thousands that can cream all in the top 10."
They guys in the hundrets are a mix so it could be dangerus to fight one of them.
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Many good players have kids and wives bugging them while their playing and may have to go afk quite often, which kill their score if their in flight at the time.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Let me fix this for you. You should have said: "I know plenty of pilots that have ranks in the thousands that can cream all in the top 10."
They guys in the hundrets are a mix so it could be dangerus to fight one of them.
:rofl
So a #150 guy could be a dangerous enemy but a top 10 can not?
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I do disagree.. Score can be a quick reference for people to see if that person is a aggressive our passive pilot. It can also be a quick reference for in flight check to see if the person you have just shot down has any idea what they are doing. take for instance my score. I dont have a high KD in fighter but what i do have is a high KT time. This shows me that i have been doing base protection and not that many landings in fighter.
If you have under a 2 KD in my book shows me that your air combat skills need to be better.
Tour 89 Fighter Scores for FX1
Score Rank
Kills per Death + 1 6.54 59
Kills per Sortie 3.86 15
Kills per Hour of Flight 21.20 5
Kills Hit Percentage 16.31 25
Kill Points 22475.34 330
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People who only HO can have a high Kills per Hour because they never waste time in combat and never waste time rtb because they die in the HO and get back to the tower faster to up another bird to HO again.
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Originally posted by Xargos
People who only HO can have a high Kill to time ratio because they never waste time in combat and never waste time rtb because they die in the HO and get back to the tower faster to up another bird to HO again.
But they won't get a high K/D and high K/T at the same time this way. HO's are simply too dangerous even for skilled pilots.
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Right, you can't just look at one thing. as I've said before You must look beyond the numbers.
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Originally posted by Larry
Yes I argee with eagle. KD and KS can tell you alot about a person. 10+ KD means they are eather really really lucky or good at flying timid. On the other side when someone says "Im a better stick then you" and they have less then a 1.0 KD I call thier BS. I fly to kill and only RTB for ammo or fuel I think my KD is around 3 and my KS about 2. Another thing to look at is thier Hit %.
The overall score means nothing because most scorepotatos have really low bomber GV and attack ranks and have crappy fighter. Or fighter and attack swiched.
Only reason I ever try to keep good a good rank is to keep fleets outa retard hands.
(like the ones that try to take a little field with a box around it):rolleyes:
I agree with yah Larry... I tend to stick around too long with kills and end up dying in the process. I try to rtb for ammo but am pretty decent at conserving ammo and end up dying with 400 plus cannon rounds left in my A8 holding 4 or 5 kills... :rofl Damn that greed!!:t
And like yo said with low scores in bomber and attack is sitting in the EW and MW when no enemy are around to defend. Milk the attack, bomber and gv capture's.:rolleyes:
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What i do agree with is the EW and MW milk running. HT needs to role back to one main.
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Originally posted by FX1
What i do agree with is the EW and MW milk running. HT needs to role back to one main.
I disagree, because some folks do actually like to fight there.
Just score each arena seperate.
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Originally posted by Lusche
I disagree, because some folks do actually like to fight there.
Just score each arena seperate.
:aok
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Good idea..
I have not had a fight in EW our MW for a long time. I do jump around arena's to see if their is a nice small furball but in EW and MW you never see a fight.
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my bet is on Vanscrew over Husky
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Originally posted by SEgunner
my bet is on Vanscrew over Husky
They both Suck :D :p :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by FX1
Good idea..
I have not had a fight in EW our MW for a long time. I do jump around arena's to see if their is a nice small furball but in EW and MW you never see a fight.
Well, actually most of the time (at least when I'm on) the pattern is:
Country with highest number of players attacking country with lowest number. Force ratios often go 8-1 or worse that way. Many tries for easy sneak captures, preferably by GVs. There are "squads" solely aiming at resetting the arena as often as possible. But jumping to the outnumbered and defending a base against them can be fun.
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Originally posted by Lusche
:rofl
So a #150 guy could be a dangerous enemy but a top 10 can not?
you mean you didnt know that? :huh :confused: :huh
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Originally posted by Platano
you mean you didnt know that? :huh :confused: :huh
Nope. Guess I have been killed to often by top10 guys.
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I had some chump calling me a newb because I'm in the 2900s, after he tried to HO me in a Niki. Of course, my score is high because I haven't done any Bomber, Attack, or GVing this tour. And of course, he wouldn't come to the DA... sigh.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Nope. Guess I have been killed to often by top10 guys.
Below is a list of CUrrent Top 10 Pile-itz... Observe:
Game ID
1-slayr1
2-SHawk
3-BiPoLaR2
4-pacerr
5-Lusche
6-Dextur
7-AXER
8-shreck
9-Zip5389
10-AKDogg
I see ONLY 1 person on this list capable of puting a good fight..and thats AKdogg.... and He's 10th. I cant see any of the rest winning a 1v1 fight with lets say Skyrock, Stang, Dedalos, Dolfo, Wetrat, lev, bighorn, Fester, FX1 or any other good stick.
Face it RankTardlings will be just that... Its all they have to make themselves feel all nice and fuzzy inside to know they have a nice high shiney rank...
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God, it was orgasmic watching Lev at work...
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Originally posted by Platano
Below is a list of CUrrent Top 10 Pile-itz... Observe:
Game ID
1-slayr1
2-SHawk
3-BiPoLaR2
4-pacerr
5-Lusche
6-Dextur
7-AXER
8-shreck
9-Zip5389
10-AKDogg
I see ONLY 1 person on this list capable of puting a good fight..and thats AKdogg.... and He's 10th. I cant see any of the rest winning a 1v1 fight with lets say Skyrock, Stang, Dedalos, Dolfo, Wetrat, lev, bighorn, Fester, FX1 or any other good stick.
Face it RankTardlings will be just that... Its all they have to make themselves feel all nice and fuzzy inside to know they have a nice high shiney rank...
lol...
Many of that guys you name do only have a "lower" rank because they just fly fighters. Would any of them care to fly bombers an do GV sorties from time to time, they would been ranked top 10 too. But wait, that would prove they do suck... ;)
And let's face it, the only people constantly talking about (other peoples) rank are the ones pretending not to care about it :)
Fact is: You don't need to be the best pilot to get into the top ranks. But being one of the worst ones won't get you there either.
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lol
Not careing..just posting my 2cents :aok
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K/D can be a good indicator, but dont trust it. Someone with a K/D of 5 can very well be flying mostly lalas, spixteens etc, while one with K/D of say 3 may fly more challenging planes... That does not make the 5 K/D fella a "better cartoon pilot" than the one with 3.
Overall rank can mean that the player is fairly good at, and enjoys all aspects of the game, or it can mean that he is only playing for score. Both are fairly easy to spot (unless they hide in EW/MW all day).
The ONLY good thing about the rank/score thing is that it may prevent atleast alittle bit of the suicide attacks and mindless pork-n-running by atleast some players.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Fact is: You don't need to be the best pilot to get into the top ranks. But being one of the worst ones won't get you there either.
Beer-$3
A dime of Weed-$5
AH Subcription-$15
Joystick-$30
Finding a post from Lusche that actually makes sense- PRICELESS
:lol
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Beer-$3
A dime of Weed-$5
AH Subcription-$15
Joystick-$30
That there's funny I don't care who ya are:rofl
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Originally posted by Platano
Beer-$3
A dime of Weed-$5
AH Subcription-$15
Joystick-$30
Finding a post from Lusche that actually makes sense- PRICELESS
:lol
:D
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Originally posted by Nilsen
K/D can be a good indicator, but dont trust it. Someone with a K/D of 5 can very well be flying mostly lalas, spixteens etc, while one with K/D of say 3 may fly more challenging planes... That does not make the 5 K/D fella a "better cartoon pilot" than the one with 3.
Agree but the guy with 3 K/D in more challenging planes is scoring higher on each kill. There have been times I've had the same # of kills as squad-mates but twice the kill points.
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Originally posted by Platano
Below is a list of CUrrent Top 10 Pile-itz... Observe:
Game ID
1-slayr1
2-SHawk
3-BiPoLaR2
4-pacerr
5-Lusche
6-Dextur
7-AXER
8-shreck
9-Zip5389
10-AKDogg
I see ONLY 1 person on this list capable of puting a good fight..and thats AKdogg.... and He's 10th. I cant see any of the rest winning a 1v1 fight with lets say Skyrock, Stang, Dedalos, Dolfo, Wetrat, lev, bighorn, Fester, FX1 or any other good stick.
Face it RankTardlings will be just that... Its all they have to make themselves feel all nice and fuzzy inside to know they have a nice high shiney rank...
I will back you up on Dogg being able to put up a good fight. I watch him fly into a group of nme and he comes out alive and they all have to relaunch. :D Alot of those guys in the top scores are the ones who sit in the EW/MW and milk it and then they whine when you shoot them down. The ones that get me are the guys with 4 or 5 guys in thier "squad" and milk it to have one of the best ranking squads... oh well I guess they must be aces at this game then! :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Platano
Below is a list of CUrrent Top 10 Pile-itz... Observe:
Game ID
1-slayr1
2-SHawk
3-BiPoLaR2
4-pacerr
5-Lusche
6-Dextur
7-AXER
8-shreck
9-Zip5389
10-AKDogg
I see ONLY 1 person on this list capable of puting a good fight..and thats AKdogg.... and He's 10th. I cant see any of the rest winning a 1v1 fight with lets say Skyrock, Stang, Dedalos, Dolfo, Wetrat, lev, bighorn, Fester, FX1 or any other good stick.
Face it RankTardlings will be just that... Its all they have to make themselves feel all nice and fuzzy inside to know they have a nice high shiney rank...
And here's the current top 10 ranked fighter pilots, 3 of which were on your list of better sticks and only 1 of whom is in the top 10 overall.
364565
Fester
wETRAT
BearKats
Fringe
Steve
SHawk
81524352
SkatSr
SkyRock
Don't confuse overall rank with fighter rank.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
And here's the current top 10 ranked fighter pilots, 3 of which were on your list of better sticks and only 1 of whom is in the top 10 overall.
364565
Fester
wETRAT
BearKats
Fringe
Steve
SHawk
81524352
SkatSr
SkyRock
Don't confuse overall rank with fighter rank.
2 are numbers guys
2 other are milkers
2 others I actually see fighting
and 4 are fellow muppets :D :lol
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Originally posted by Platano
2 are numbers guys
2 other are milkers
2 others I actually see fighting
and 4 are fellow muppets :D :lol
So it is a rigged game with those Muppet guys.... interesting!! I wanna be a muppet! :D
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Originally posted by Platano
2 are numbers guys
2 other are milkers
2 others I actually see fighting
and 4 are fellow muppets :D :lol
The one numbers guy doesn't count. Its a glitch in the system.
You only see two fighting? Wow you might need glasses.
Only 1 is a Milker.
One of those muppets I've seen fly pretty timid at times.
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Originally posted by Lusche
:rofl
So a #150 guy could be a dangerous enemy but a top 10 can not?
Exactly.
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Originally posted by Platano
and 4 are fellow muppets :D :lol
Aha... So YOU are the vulching hoard!!!
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Exactly.
Hmm so if that capable & dangerous #150 guy starts to fly a few additional bomber & attack sorties and thus is aotmatically ranked in top 10 overall rank - does that mean he lost all his skills?
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I not dangerous, I ranked 10th. I a milker, picker and runner as I am called on 200 and pm's all the time. I think these posts are hilarous. They mean nothing along with score/rank. I have never tried for the single digit ranks. Don't care to either. I rather fight it out with someone or a squad then milk run like the people on the list that was stated earlier. I just happen to be on that list because I do it all for the squad. I bomb, attack, GV it and kick butt in fighters. If u are going to attack a field, select attack. If u putting up a defense for your field, select fighter.
Only reason to have a good rank imho is to control a CV from newbs who take the CV right into the coast with ords and SB's up at enemy field.
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if you care to look at the stats for the top fiter pilots you will find several consistencies:
1. at least 1/4-1/2 of their kills are in perk planes...cough cough:rolleyes:
unclear to me why a true skill fiter only guy hops in 262s/c-hogs, f4u4 and tempests (hmmmmm)
2. other half of their kills are in 109k4's (new perk/point farmer of choice)
3. They play unbelievable amounts of hours....i think an average of 60 hours in just fiter mode from what i remember....i think i have 6 fiter hours with 25 total hours...and i think i play a lot...
so their is your answer...to be top 10 fiter you need to play tons of hours, use perk planes to jack your k/d up, and fly a perk farming plane in a way that will get you tons of points....
awesome!
:aok
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Originally posted by Lusche
Hmm so if that capable & dangerous #150 guy starts to fly a few additional bomber & attack sorties and thus is aotmatically ranked in top 10 overall rank - does that mean he lost all his skills?
Wait, I guess since yer Top 20. You must be Tiffany? Rank is but one a few methods to "gauge someone".
The day I give a damn "who is ranked what", is the day that will never come.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
if you care to look at the stats for the top fiter pilots you will find several consistencies:
1. at least 1/4-1/2 of their kills are in perk planes...cough cough:rolleyes:
unclear to me why a true skill fiter only guy hops in 262s/c-hogs, f4u4 and tempests (hmmmmm)
2. other half of their kills are in 109k4's (new perk/point farmer of choice)
3. They play unbelievable amounts of hours....i think an average of 60 hours in just fiter mode from what i remember....i think i have 6 fiter hours with 25 total hours...and i think i play a lot...
so their is your answer...to be top 10 fiter you need to play tons of hours, use perk planes to jack your k/d up, and fly a perk farming plane in a way that will get you tons of points....
awesome!
:aok
You just saved me a lot of typing. Perfectly stated Falcn.
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I'm still hoping one day I will be under 1000, normally I'm in the 2k range:(
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
if you care to look at the stats for the top fiter pilots you will find several consistencies:
1. at least 1/4-1/2 of their kills are in perk planes...cough cough:rolleyes:
unclear to me why a true skill fiter only guy hops in 262s/c-hogs, f4u4 and tempests (hmmmmm)
2. other half of their kills are in 109k4's (new perk/point farmer of choice)
3. They play unbelievable amounts of hours....i think an average of 60 hours in just fiter mode from what i remember....i think i have 6 fiter hours with 25 total hours...and i think i play a lot...
so their is your answer...to be top 10 fiter you need to play tons of hours, use perk planes to jack your k/d up, and fly a perk farming plane in a way that will get you tons of points....
awesome!
:aok
There only 2 perk rides that I really fly and it only depends on the mission. If I attacking a field, its the C hog. IF I going to catch all the runstangs and lala's, I up the -4 hog. Otherwise, it the -1 hog for me. I actually like the -1 better then all the hogs. Love it when I kill lala's, runstangs, spit 8's, spit 16's and even zekes (in turn fights) and hear them whine on 200 or PM me saying I cheat, there no way a -1 hog can do that.:aok
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Wait, I guess since yer Top 20. You must be Tiffany? Rank is but one a few methods to "gauge someone".
The day I give a damn "who is ranked what", is the day that will never come.
BLAME KARAYA!!!! :D
Man, I think I started that rant for yah bud!
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Wait, I guess since yer Top 20. You must be Tiffany? Rank is but one a few methods to "gauge someone".
The day I give a damn "who is ranked what", is the day that will never come.
Nice evasion. :)
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
if you care to look at the stats for the top fiter pilots you will find several consistencies:
1. at least 1/4-1/2 of their kills are in perk planes...cough cough:rolleyes:
unclear to me why a true skill fiter only guy hops in 262s/c-hogs, f4u4 and tempests (hmmmmm)
2. other half of their kills are in 109k4's (new perk/point farmer of choice)
3. They play unbelievable amounts of hours....i think an average of 60 hours in just fiter mode from what i remember....i think i have 6 fiter hours with 25 total hours...and i think i play a lot...
so their is your answer...to be top 10 fiter you need to play tons of hours, use perk planes to jack your k/d up, and fly a perk farming plane in a way that will get you tons of points....
awesome!
:aok
Thats not really true only about 70 or my 600+ fighters kills have been in a perk plane and there mostly just to fly for fun. 200+ of my fighter kills are in the jugs. The other kills are mostly in p-38s p51s American Muscle is the only way to go!
I would never fly a 109 cant aim taters for squat.
I only have 40 some hours in fighter mode I think.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
if you care to look at the stats for the top fiter pilots you will find several consistencies:
1. at least 1/4-1/2 of their kills are in perk planes...cough cough:rolleyes:
unclear to me why a true skill fiter only guy hops in 262s/c-hogs, f4u4 and tempests (hmmmmm)
2. other half of their kills are in 109k4's (new perk/point farmer of choice)
3. They play unbelievable amounts of hours....i think an average of 60 hours in just fiter mode from what i remember....i think i have 6 fiter hours with 25 total hours...and i think i play a lot...
so their is your answer...to be top 10 fiter you need to play tons of hours, use perk planes to jack your k/d up, and fly a perk farming plane in a way that will get you tons of points....
awesome!
:aok
I'm ranked in the top 10 of fighter pilots. Personally I don't think rank is a definitive indicator of skill level but the stats in various categories may give an idea of skill.
That said, NONE of the above points you made apply to me, not one.
When you get your foot out of your mouth, you are having crow for supper. I heard it's palatable with a healthy does of A1 sauce, you may want to pick some up.
Steve
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Originally posted by Lusche
Nope. Guess I have been killed to often by top10 guys.
Same here, but it was always while I was fighting someone else, lol
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There is only one thing that is truly important here:
Platano, where are you getting a dime bag for $5?!?
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I'm living proof fighter rank means nothing. I never, ever vulch and can obtain a top 10 fighter rank at will. Even in the face of stiff competition vs. people who fly 10 times as many hours as I do simply by picking my prey carefully and flying a fast plane...I have close to zero actual talent or skill, but never fight at a disadvantage if I can possibly avoid it...
My method is proof positive you don't have to be good or a vulcher to rank well in the fighter category, you just have to be mentally disciplined and reasonably intelligent.
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Originally posted by Auger
There is only one thing that is truly important here:
Platano, where are you getting a dime bag for $5?!?
I'm thankful I'm not the only one that caught this.
:aok
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Originally posted by Husky01
Thats not really true only about 70 or my 600+ fighters kills have been in a perk plane and there mostly just to fly for fun. 200+ of my fighter kills are in the jugs. The other kills are mostly in p-38s p51s American Muscle is the only way to go!
I would never fly a 109 cant aim taters for squat.
I only have 40 some hours in fighter mode I think.
But you've also vulched a second account to get your name in lights. No offense but this one thread you should have stayed clear from.
ack-ack
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Mabey your right but its not like Im bragging about my fighter rank...Im not going look at me I don't do this but im still in the top ten fighters.....I just stated that what he posted wasn't necessarily true for all people. Ill just shut up now.
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I dont agree with you falconwing. I have less than 30 hours in fighter this tour and I was ranked 3 fighter but now I see Im at 4. Most of my kills are in a P38. Less than a quarter of my kills are in a perk plane. Also I dont vulch. When I see a vulch start I leave or attack the planes that are already up.
So explain me Falconwing. :p
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Originally posted by dedalos
Let me fix this for you. You should have said: "I know plenty of pilots that have ranks in the thousands that can cream all in the top 10."
They guys in the hundrets are a mix so it could be dangerus to fight one of them.
Well said.
the very best I've gone against I havent ever seen ranked inthe top 100 let alone the top 10
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Originally posted by Auger
There is only one thing that is truly important here:
Platano, where are you getting a dime bag for $5?!?
gotta know where to look as well as have the connekshunz :D :aok
As well as Flaconwngs indirect statement towards dolfo and wetrat as the k4 being the new perk farmer... gimme a facking break... when was the last time you heard people perkfarming in something that shoots taters, being as hard as it is to hit anything with them, AND only having but 65 rounds?? :rollseyes:
Get ur head out ya anal hole bud :aok
THem guys fly it cuz its a good plane and almost untouchable in the right hands...and hey if it has an ENY of 20 yay for us.... Dont YOU wish ur Lghey had an ENY of 20?? :D
For that just take up 51B :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Lusche
Nice evasion. :)
Evasion? Neg, I just put it bluntly.
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Originally posted by FX1
Good idea..
I have not had a fight in EW our MW for a long time. I do jump around arena's to see if their is a nice small furball but in EW and MW you never see a fight.
MW has lots of good fights and less '' play it safe for score'' players in my opinion. if your ever around in the late night e.s.t. that is.
alot of peeps could care less about score,I know i dont.
I just log in for a few hours a week and have fun.My rank is usually in the 1000-2000 range probly cause i dont fly fighters much but i rack up my fair share of kills in the attack catagory flying the A20 and most of those kills are air to air.
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hehehe...
wow...im gonna have to start watchin my rods better...these fish have taken a lot of my tackle out to sea!!!
hoarach..no offense bud but 130 out of 600 kills in a perk planes is awful close to the 1/4 mark i commented on...didnt know you had changed your name to fringe..so took me awhile to figure it out :cool:
steve i dont really know you or your flying style so im sorry you seem personally offended by my generalization..but admittedly thats what it was...again you got caught in my net..but i again say its because of the fish you swim with not because i am trying to target you...
as for akdogg...i respect you and your squad...dont take my troll to seriously...
i stand by my assessment of how to maintain a top fiter score...thats all my tips for the newbies...and judging by the top 2 fiters in camps for as long as you care to trace back..i am spot on!:aok
im sure there are a few top buff guys who actually fly formation buffs into tight situations....but the gamers dont do that...re-armed ju87s seem to work just fine..no???:rolleyes: the only difference i see is that the guys who "work" any other particular category dont seem to actually start believing their own hype....
i will leave it at this...we all know who the fiter jocks are, the ones you are excited to run into because they are just that good...they are never in the top ten or twenty for that matter...tuff furballing doesnt mesh with high score....and lets stop pretending please that the reason many of these guys are in 262s/tempests is because they are scrambling to intercept buffs and help team play...thAT is just silly....:lol
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Originally posted by Platano
gotta know where to look as well as have the connekshunz :D :aok
As well as Flaconwngs indirect statement towards dolfo and wetrat as the k4 being the new perk farmer... gimme a facking break... when was the last time you heard people perkfarming in something that shoots taters, being as hard as it is to hit anything with them, AND only having but 65 rounds?? :rollseyes:
Get ur head out ya anal hole bud :aok
THem guys fly it cuz its a good plane and almost untouchable in the right hands...and hey if it has an ENY of 20 yay for us.... Dont YOU wish ur Lghey had an ENY of 20?? :D
For that just take up 51B :rolleyes:
lets see "high eny" "untouchable" "tater gun" "being used by guys with top scores when they arent in perked rides"....hmm looks like a duck, quacks like a duck......yes it is a perk farmer!!!! i love it when you make my argument for me!!! you are awesome...
BTW im not flexible enough to put my head in my butt...thats why i use bananas ;)
you may want to use shampoo tomorrow...
:rofl :lol :rofl:p
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I've seen quite a few of the guys listed in the top 10 in EW wearin' milk maid outfits (some are pretty sexy too :D). I have heard that HT is considering changing the scoring system to account for this.
There are usually some good fights in the MW. Unfortunately, the EW is mostly noobs. However, efforts are being made by some to get them out their weak-kneed, capture monkey rut. It takes time (and lots of blows around the head and neck) to convince some of them. It is kinda cool to see folks, that a couple of months ago would only up a fighter to kill the ack at a gv field, flying fighters and losing fields!!
Rank and scoring? For the most part, they simply show who is good at getting rank and score. That doesn't mean that the 'good' drivers can't (or don't) make rank. It does mean that trying to compare players based on their scores if usually futile. However, the scoring info isn't "Completely useless..". It is a good way to see if one is making improvements when trying new things.
For me, trying to make rank is often too much like playing solitaire...BORING. If you think it has more meaning....GO FOR IT!!! Just don't expect me to care. :D
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If you have been playing the game two our more years you respect good sticks. I bet you can make a short list in your head in two seconds.
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Originally posted by Platano
gotta know where to look as well as have the connekshunz :D :aok
As well as Flaconwngs indirect statement towards dolfo and wetrat as the k4 being the new perk farmer... gimme a facking break... when was the last time you heard people perkfarming in something that shoots taters, being as hard as it is to hit anything with them, AND only having but 65 rounds?? :rollseyes:
Get ur head out ya anal hole bud :aok
THem guys fly it cuz its a good plane and almost untouchable in the right hands...and hey if it has an ENY of 20 yay for us.... Dont YOU wish ur Lghey had an ENY of 20?? :D
For that just take up 51B :rolleyes:
If ONLY the K4 had 8 50's:O
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Originally posted by bj229r
If ONLY the K4 had 8 50's:O
lol...if it had 4 12.7mm MG's in the nose it'd be just as bad :D
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
lets see "high eny" "untouchable" "tater gun" "being used by guys with top scores when they arent in perked rides"....hmm looks like a duck, quacks like a duck......yes it is a perk farmer!!!! i love it when you make my argument for me!!! you are awesome...
BTW im not flexible enough to put my head in my butt...thats why i use bananas ;)
you may want to use shampoo tomorrow...
:rofl :lol :rofl:p
this from the queenbee of the horde who rides in the very center of the horde in an La7 or a woobiecane. give me break. go back to killing outhouses. birds of prey fly alone. you guys are a flock of seagulls diving on flotsam. at least have the integrity to change your squad name. henceforth I refer to you as the FoSG the flocks of seagulls.
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109K a perk farmer? LMAO thats one of the funniest things Iv ever heard. Thanks for the laugh falc.
The only "Perk Farmer" that is a LW fighter is the 109A8 with an ENY of 31. Sure you could take a G6 with gondies but nothing beats zooming into a horde and sprayin those quad 20.
Come to think about it rooks dont even have a perk farmer becuase even when I land 5+ kills in an A8 Im lucky to get 10 perks because ENY is so jacked up.
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Originally posted by Larry
109K a perk farmer? LMAO thats one of the funniest things Iv ever heard. Thanks for the laugh falc.
The only "Perk Farmer" that is a LW fighter is the 109A8 with an ENY of 31. Sure you could take a G6 with gondies but nothing beats zooming into a horde and sprayin those quad 20.
Come to think about it rooks dont even have a perk farmer becuase even when I land 5+ kills in an A8 Im lucky to get 10 perks because ENY is so jacked up.
The K4 has a low ENY for it's effectiveness. That is what Falcn said Larry. He is correct.
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Well when I'm toodling about, and I see a '109' thingie above me, I worry until I can see if it's a K4 or not--the others I can do SOMEthin with. If I look up and see 3-5 109's, I know it's the #$#% Muppets and they are going to execute me with said K4's:cry
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Only thing good about the K4 is the speed. It cant turn that well and the gun is hard to hit with. Thats why it has a normal ENY. If it had three 20mms then it would a lower ENY. The only reason its "untouchable" in the right hands is because of its speed and nothing else. The tater is why its ENY is at 20. And an ENY of 20 inst a perk farmer. I am doing some farming myself trying to get atlease 1k fighter perks and I tell ya the Mossi and A8 are WAYYYY better then the K4 at getting them.
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Originally posted by Larry
Only thing good about the K4 is the speed.
Ya cause its climb rate and ability to stall fight are horrific. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by bj229r
Well when I'm toodling about, and I see a '109' thingie above me, I worry until I can see if it's a K4 or not--the others I can do SOMEthin with. If I look up and see 3-5 109's, I know it's the #$#% Muppets and they are going to execute me with said K4's:cry
have you run across elevenk in a G2?
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Originally posted by Husky01
Ya cause its climb rate and ability to stall fight are horrific. :rolleyes:
Ah yes like you would know. Climb rate is good because of its speed. Stall fight a K4 yea uh huh. Only time you should ever get in a turn fight with a K4 is when you cant out run them. Even then the Mk108s RoF isnt good for turn fights and snapshots. So yea take it from someone who flys it, only thing good about the 109K is the speed.
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Originally posted by storch
henceforth I refer to you as the FoSG the flocks of seagulls.
Big Hair!
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OK, this si just an example and there are exceptions to the 'rule'.
This is overall rank and fighter rank. Can you tell who would hand you your arse in a plate in a 1 vs 1 and who always gets you when you fight someone else? I guess scores are good for something after all lol
Fester 2100 2
wETRAT 1171 3
BearKats 49 4
Fringe 1180 5
Steve 2634 6
SHawk 2 7
81524352 595 8
SkatSr 407 9
SkyRock 1843 10
WingZeRo 1728 11
LYNX 13 12
slayr1 1 13
FX1 2243 14
pacerr 4 15
Saber 3487 15
Strich9 1695 17
Dextur 6 18
BiPoLaR2 3 19
C00RS 90 20
shreck 8 21
Blade 1488 22
Zip5389 9 23
MtnMan 3491 24
JensK 1147 25
Pari 192 26
Lusche 5 27
oADONAIo 20 28
Greebo 1222 29
Zazen 1635 30
Whels 18 31
Engine 2770 31
AXER 7 33
Croft 2526 34
DmdRodan 1662 35
WaRLoCkL 435 36
AKdream 11 37
druski85 106 38
Stang 698 39
trotter 725 40
INDIANA 148 41
Wmaker 3198 42
blukitty 2208 43
VansCrew 39 44
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Stall fight a K4 yea uh huh. Only time you should ever get in a turn fight with a K4 is when you cant out run them
haha, I guess you have never dualed a good k4 stick. I have dualed creton in it and he was pretty amazing with that thing.
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Originally posted by dedalos
OK, this si just an example and there are exceptions to the 'rule'.
This is overall rank and fighter rank. Can you tell who would hand you your arse in a plate in a 1 vs 1 and who always gets you when you fight someone else? I guess scores are good for something after all lol
very good point dedalot. I never look at scores it's amazing to see who is in the top fighters
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Originally posted by storch
very good point dedalot. I never look at scores it's amazing to see who is in the top fighters
Get back in the AvA. My keyboard is bored lol
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nope. for the most part those guys in there suck at fighting and are far too thin skinned. unbelievable how "oh mommy make the bad man stop" they are. but you can call me names here and I'll respond. :D
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Originally posted by Larry
Climb rate is good because of its speed.
Wrong. Climb rate is good because of it's powerful engine and comparatively low weight. Even the slow F-4 and G-2 / G-6 outclimb most other fighters in the plane set.
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Originally posted by storch
nope. for the most part those guys in there suck at fighting and are far too thin skinned. unbelievable how "oh mommy make the bad man stop" they are. but you can call me names here and I'll respond. :D
I'll see what I can do with out being Skazzynated :rofl
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Originally posted by storch
have you run across elevenk in a G2?
No, I think he's usually a Rook, though I've not seen him of late
(G2 is hard for me to actually FIGHT in jug...is turny thing)
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Originally posted by bj229r
No, I think he's usually a Rook, though I've not seen him of late
(G2 is hard for me to actually FIGHT in jug...is turny thing)
you and I are equally matched skillwise. would you like to meet up in the DA for some 109vP47 fights?
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Yuppers! Rarely get actual 1:1 fights with jugs (lol sounds like 70's porn flick:rofl )
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Originally posted by Lusche
Wrong. Climb rate is good because of it's powerful engine and comparatively low weight. Even the slow F-4 and G-2 / G-6 outclimb most other fighters in the plane set.
Hmm good enigne, less weight doesnt that = more speed? Inst that why heavy under powered planes go slow? Now I dont think the 109F,G2, and G6 can out climb most but if you think so, ok.
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Originally posted by jerkins
haha, I guess you have never dualed a good k4 stick. I have dualed creton in it and he was pretty amazing with that thing.
There arent many "good K4 sticks" that I know of on bish or nit. Iv been in a few K4 duels but like most people that fly them all they did was try to HO. I dont know why people think a single pop gun plane is good to HO in. I wouldnt say Im a great K4 stick but I know what Im doing and can hold my own. I said "only time you should turn in it is if they can out run you" is because in the MAs once you get slow in something that cant turn like some of the uberplanes your preatty much saying PICK ME PICK ME!
Some may think its ENY is to high and some even think it needs to be perked, but its ENY is set at 20 for a reason. That reason is its not an uber plane. It may be great in the hands of someone that can fly it, but so is 1Duke1s P40.
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Originally posted by Larry
Hmm good enigne, less weight doesnt that = more speed? Inst that why heavy under powered planes go slow? Now I dont think the 109F,G2, and G6 can out climb most but if you think so, ok.
Check the numbers. http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php
For example, a 109F has about the same climbrate as the monster F4U-4, which has about 800HP more and is 50mph faster. Only four or five planes climb faster than a G-2, most notably Spit 8 & 16
And engine power & weight doesn't necessarily translate into more speed. It's all about aerodynamics.
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Originally posted by bj229r
Yuppers! Rarely get actual 1:1 fights with jugs (lol sounds like 70's porn flick:rofl )
I'll be on tonight I'll look for you.
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Originally posted by dedalos
OK, this si just an example and there are exceptions to the 'rule'.
This is overall rank and fighter rank. Can you tell who would hand you your arse in a plate in a 1 vs 1 and who always gets you when you fight someone else? I guess scores are good for something after all lol
Fester 2100 2
wETRAT 1171 3
BearKats 49 4
Fringe 1180 5
Steve 2634 6
SHawk 2 7
81524352 595 8
SkatSr 407 9
SkyRock 1843 10
WingZeRo 1728 11
LYNX 13 12
slayr1 1 13
FX1 2243 14
pacerr 4 15
Saber 3487 15
Strich9 1695 17
Dextur 6 18
BiPoLaR2 3 19
C00RS 90 20
shreck 8 21
Blade 1488 22
Zip5389 9 23
MtnMan 3491 24
JensK 1147 25
Pari 192 26
Lusche 5 27
oADONAIo 20 28
Greebo 1222 29
Zazen 1635 30
Whels 18 31
Engine 2770 31
AXER 7 33
Croft 2526 34
DmdRodan 1662 35
WaRLoCkL 435 36
AKdream 11 37
druski85 106 38
Stang 698 39
trotter 725 40
INDIANA 148 41
Wmaker 3198 42
blukitty 2208 43
VansCrew 39 44
Of this list ... there is only 10 guys that I would consider a "handfull".
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I haven't seen a "perk farmer" since I started flying the Fw190A8....
Boatloads of cannon and a decent sized drop tank.
Picked up over 100 perkies in it in less than a week. It's my favorite bird now.
I don't furball in it, but it will rip a bomber formation up in a heartbeat.
Lusche: I wish my German was as good as your English! <>
68ROX
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Disagree.
Score and Rank perform the very useful function of providing a more populated and thereby a richer, more fulfilling game environment, because it attracts those who measure their success by such means.
Just because it doesn't provide information you think it should - i.e. a tool for evaluating relative skill levels - doesn't mean it doesn't fulfill some purpose. In fact, it probably does a pretty admirable job of fulfilling it's intended purpose.
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k4 is uber FTW.
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Originally posted by Ghastly
Disagree.
Score and Rank perform the very useful function of providing a more populated and thereby a richer, more fulfilling game environment, because it attracts those who measure their success by such means.
Just because it doesn't provide information you think it should - i.e. a tool for evaluating relative skill levels - doesn't mean it doesn't fulfill some purpose. In fact, it probably does a pretty admirable job of fulfilling it's intended purpose.
Yup ... milk-running and vulching second accounts to achieve "elite" status was it's intended purpose.
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Originally posted by Platano
Below is a list of CUrrent Top 10 Pile-itz... Observe:
Game ID
1-slayr1
2-SHawk
3-BiPoLaR2
4-pacerr
5-Lusche
6-Dextur
7-AXER
8-shreck
9-Zip5389
10-AKDogg
I see ONLY 1 person on this list capable of puting a good fight..and thats AKdogg.... and He's 10th. I cant see any of the rest winning a 1v1 fight with lets say Skyrock, Stang, Dedalos, Dolfo, Wetrat, lev, bighorn, Fester, FX1 or any other good stick.
Face it RankTardlings will be just that... Its all they have to make themselves feel all nice and fuzzy inside to know they have a nice high shiney rank...
hahahahh... that slayr1 guy was asking me how to game fighter rank since I was #1 at the time. I told him he's better off asking someone that sucks, like Dextur or something :lol Dogg is the only guy in there that can pose any kind of challenge (I think shreck may be the worst there), but he's not that great either.
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Originally posted by wetrat
hahahahh... that slayr1 guy was asking me how to game fighter rank since I was #1 at the time. I told him he's better off asking someone that sucks, like Dextur or something :lol Dogg is the only guy in there that can pose any kind of challenge (I think shreck may be the worst there), but he's not that great either.
Disagree w/ ya' on AKDogg.
He can fight.
SlapShot I only counted 7 I would consider a "tough" fight.
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Nother thing that rank will never tank into account is how much equipment you have. I fly with stick (and n50 for views) only and seldom find myslef using rudder. Some have throttle control, rudder pedals and whatnot.
Some even fly with mouse and can be fairly good using only that.
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Originally posted by WMLute
Disagree w/ ya' on AKDogg.
He can fight.
SlapShot I only counted 7 I would consider a "tough" fight.
My point was to compare over all rank with fighter rank. It seems that good over all with good fighter = teh suck (guys you die to when you fight someone else)
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Originally posted by WMLute
Disagree w/ ya' on AKDogg.
He can fight.
SlapShot I only counted 7 I would consider a "tough" fight.
I said a "handfull" ... not "tough" ... ;)
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Dogg gets kills in a mid-war plane without a protective borg cube, more often than not
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:rofl
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I welcome any of U to show up at a KOTH event and show your talents. This is where u can prove yourself not that any of u have to. In the KOTH u need to have SA, Furball and ACM skills in order to survive. If u don't have any one of them, then u should still come to learn them. Its the best place I found to learn different Aircraft, see other Good pilots in action and learn/ try new tactics and skills. U don't have to be the best to participate.
There are 2 KOTH events a month. July's dates I believe are:
FriKOTH July 6th @3pm EDT
SatKOTH July 28th @9pm EDT
BTW, Here is the link to the rules:
http://ahevents.org/koth-related/koth-rules.html
Follow these rules and u will have no problem.:aok
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I suck at this game/sim, most everyone here says so. So it must be true.
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If it interests more players in the game and keeps them playing more and longer ... then yes.
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Originally posted by WMLute
Disagree w/ ya' on AKDogg.
He can fight.
SlapShot I only counted 7 I would consider a "tough" fight.
I think his post on dogg is a typo. I think it was merely supposwed to read as follows: "Dogg is the only guy in there that can pose any kind of challenge"
Dogg is a good stick and a good guy, I enjoy flying w/ or against him. Heck we go back to AW days.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Agree but the guy with 3 K/D in more challenging planes is scoring higher on each kill. There have been times I've had the same # of kills as squad-mates but twice the kill points.
Indeed the 3 K/D guy can get more points, but he still gets a lowe KD and that is something u usually look for when checking out peoples fighter rank so the 5 k/d guy would look more "skilled" than the 3k/d guy.
A few weeks ago i saw (it hink) the lamest thing i have ever seen.. i went into orange or was it blue?... Anyways it was a LW arena with only 8 players. A fella took off from the base in a c202 while i was in tower with my coffe and he headed over to an enemy field. 15 mins later he returned and landed 16 kills. I said wtg and checked roster to see if any more had logged on and i saw the oddest thing. A squadmember of the guy who had just landed 16 kills was on the enemy side. My nugget sarted thinking that someting fishy was going on and asked him if he had vulched his own buddy, but didnt get a reply.. they had both logged :D
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guess I should comment on my rank dweebery since my name is on the list and people are discussing our muppet squad
I officially blame everyone else in my squad for all of it and take no responsibility for anything.
I blame wetrat and dolfo entirely.
with dolfo moving wetrat decided to make a half hearted attempt to get a high fighter rank and I figured what the hell I will try to since I havent score potatod in years. getting overall rank isnt fun for me but I like to get high Kill/death and gunnery %, kill/time and kill/sortie
Zazen is responsible for the high kill/death ratios in our squad with all his crazy theories on survivalism being an enjoyable gameplay style for those that have burned out playing oblivion and are doing a halfway job of roll playing in aces high.
as for the 109k4 that is skyrocks fault and I take no responsibility for him picking the 109k4 as our current squad ride despite the fact that I suggested it to him.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
A few weeks ago i saw (it hink) the lamest thing i have ever seen.. i went into orange or was it blue?... Anyways it was a LW arena with only 8 players. A fella took off from the base in a c202 while i was in tower with my coffe and he headed over to an enemy field. 15 mins later he returned and landed 16 kills. I said wtg and checked roster to see if any more had logged on and i saw the oddest thing. A squadmember of the guy who had just landed 16 kills was on the enemy side. My nugget sarted thinking that someting fishy was going on and asked him if he had vulched his own buddy, but didnt get a reply.. they had both logged :D
Name names. Name names.
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We must have the names. Tell us.
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Might not have been his buddy but his second account.
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Nah.. no need to name names as i can not be 100% sure there was any foul play. Its not one of your typical high rankers either because the name was not very familiar. The squadname was tho.
I always film every sortie, but as i was in tower i didnt get this one on tape. Kind makes you wonder how much of this is really going on around the arenas.
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do people really play on two separate accounts? I have a difficult time believing this
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Some do.
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I know of quite a few people maintaining at least 2 accounts. I believe there are probably many more than those that I'm aware of. Regardless of second account status, cooperative vulching between squadmates or other players is nothing new.
That being said, I think Nilsen is right to backpedal- anyone can get 60 kills per hour in a 202. It's one of the best planes in the game by a huge margin, and I wouldn't want to look like a fool suggesting that someone was doing anything untoward in the hopes of improving their ranking.
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Clearly I need to fly more.. haha I'm sad cause im not on anyone's list! :furious
hehe
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Clearly I need to fly more.. haha I'm sad cause im not on anyone's list! :furious
hehe
you are now on my list! :D :noid
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Score/Rank has helped me to grow immensely.
As a retired Olympics class competitor, stats are the "smart" way to see how you can compete better and improve yourself.
As a former Casino Marketing Director, data serves to prove how well you have done, and how much better you can do it next time.
As a squad member with the 68th Lightning Lancers, score goes by the wayside and what you can do for your wingman and squadmate, and your squad is paramount.
Killing radar, ords, and troops so your other squaddies can come in to kill the town and take the base make a difference to your country.
IMOHO=TT wastes resources....furballing with no intent of taking the base wastes resources.
HOW SOON WE FORGET: each solder, sailor, airman in WWII sole purpose was to win the war (reset)....not to get medals (score).
There are too many lone wolves in this game who want to run the game. I saw it as a Casino Marketing Director.
TEAM EFFORT = WIN.
Lone Wolves = Dissention.
You see dissention on this board every day.
Which are you? Team? Or lone wolf?
I'm on a team.
68ROX
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Originally posted by 68ROX
IMOHO=TT wastes resources....furballing with no intent of taking the base wastes resources...
...HOW SOON WE FORGET: each solder, sailor, airman in WWII sole purpose was to win the war (reset)....not to get medals (score).
68ROX
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Some play the game to fulfill the actual parameters that it was designed for, which is to overcome and conquer bases, and eventually the country, thus winning the war/game.
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This is a false assumption.
The game was designed to have fun at different types of combat. Conquering bases is just a means to promote combat and hence fun. But by no means is it more or less justified than going out and just mixing it up.
HiTech
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First of all, the only non-computer generated resource YOU have in the game is.... YOU.
I am not one of your resources, I am not a resource of any particular country.
You pay your $15 and be as resourceful as you like. You are absolutely wrong in thinking that anyone else has some responsiblity towards you, your squad, your country or anything else.
We are indeed individual players with individual game goals.
Read what HiTech said.
Conquering bases is just a means to promote combat and hence fun. But by no means is it more or less justified than going out and just mixing it up.
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The war winners are not on some sacred AH mission, they are not fulfilling the one, only true goal of AH. They are just players doing what they choose to do. Please allow the rest of the player base the same privilege.
Secondly, LEST WE FORGET, there are no real AH soldiers, sailors or airmen. The sole purpose is most definitely NOT to win the war or reset. Again, refer to HiTech's quote. The war is just a means to promote combat. That's all, that's it; don't try to make it more than it is.
Feel free to be part of team. Play as a group to achieve common goals.
But you are way out of line thinking that anyone else that chooses not to participate in YOUR personal goals is some sort of resource that you own that is going to waste.
You own your account and that's it.
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Originally posted by Toad
First of all, the only non-computer generated resource YOU have in the game is.... YOU.
I am not one of your resources, I am not a resource of any particular country.
You pay your $15 and be as resourceful as you like. You are absolutely wrong in thinking that anyone else has some responsiblity towards you, your squad, your country or anything else.
We are indeed individual players with individual game goals.
Read what HiTech said.
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HiTech isn't a player...he is the OWNER.
What you say is what you do.
Good luck with that,
Answer the question....
Are you a TEAM PLAYER or a LONE WOLF, looking for the score?
Dodging the question answers all.
68ROX
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There is more to AH than just the simple cartoon war, or working for a low rank. The way in which you phrased the question says far more than any answer Toad might have to it.
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Originally posted by Larry
Only thing good about the K4 is the speed. It cant turn that well and the gun is hard to hit with. Thats why it has a normal ENY. If it had three 20mms then it would a lower ENY. The only reason its "untouchable" in the right hands is because of its speed and nothing else. The tater is why its ENY is at 20. And an ENY of 20 inst a perk farmer. I am doing some farming myself trying to get atlease 1k fighter perks and I tell ya the Mossi and A8 are WAYYYY better then the K4 at getting them.
Disagree. It turns plenty well enough, and the 30's are easy to hit with once you get the hang of it (still get strings of bad luck with them tho.. slow ROF and all..). I seem to recall fighting some guy who likes to fly the 109F and pwning him turning and whatnot at low speeds.... who could that have been? :cool: K4 turns adequately if you're good enough with angles and overshoots, or just know when it's time to nose-up and hang on your prop.
And to falcntard... excuse me? Flying the K4 to farm perks/rank? I'm afraid not, son. I fly the K4 because I've always flown the G10/K4. It's what I enjoy, what I'm most comfortable in, and what I'm best in. It's also a challenge if you like pulling angles with spits at low speeds. The fact that not much stuff can run away is kinda nice, too.
But whatever, I'm pretty much retired anyway. Stick is broken.
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Originally posted by 68ROX
Answer the question....
Are you a TEAM PLAYER or a LONE WOLF, looking for the score?
Dodging the question answers all.
68ROX
Here's a clue for yah....
You don't have to be a "win the war" kinda guy to be a team player. Additionally, you don't have to be a score monkey to be a lone wolf. :D
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Originally posted by 68ROX
IMOHO=TT wastes resources....furballing with no intent of taking the base wastes resources.
HOW SOON WE FORGET: each solder, sailor, airman in WWII sole purpose was to win the war (reset)....not to get medals (score).
There are too many lone wolves in this game who want to run the game. I saw it as a Casino Marketing Director.
TEAM EFFORT = WIN.
Lone Wolves = Dissention.
You see dissention on this board every day.
Which are you? Team? Or lone wolf?
I'm on a team.
68ROX
This isn't a war, it's a game. The point of a game is to win.
Herein lies the dichotomy. There are many ways to win in this game.
Win the fight
Win the battle
Win the war
Win the stat
Win the catagory score
Win the overall score
Fortunately, relative to a game, this allows for a lot of winners every day and every camp. In fact almost everyone can come away feeling like a winner at least once in a while. Furthermore, no one type of win is generally more or less appealing to the winner. Each player naturally gravitates to the form of winning that they have the most success with.
Do you want to deny people these small joys? It sounds like you do. In your opinion, if you dont win the war you're a loser right?
Lone wolf or team player? I'm a winner. It's a game.
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Originally posted by Citabria
guess I should comment on my rank dweebery since my name is on the list and people are discussing our muppet squad
I officially blame everyone else in my squad for all of it and take no responsibility for anything.
I blame wetrat and dolfo entirely.
with dolfo moving wetrat decided to make a half hearted attempt to get a high fighter rank and I figured what the hell I will try to since I havent score potatod in years. getting overall rank isnt fun for me but I like to get high Kill/death and gunnery %, kill/time and kill/sortie
Zazen is responsible for the high kill/death ratios in our squad with all his crazy theories on survivalism being an enjoyable gameplay style for those that have burned out playing oblivion and are doing a halfway job of roll playing in aces high.
as for the 109k4 that is skyrocks fault and I take no responsibility for him picking the 109k4 as our current squad ride despite the fact that I suggested it to him.
:furious
:rofl
:noid
Mark
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Originally posted by 68ROX
HiTech isn't a player...he is the OWNER.[/b]
Actually, he is the owner, programmer, player and most importantly DESIGNER.
He does play with several different accounts/names.
I'll post this for you again, as you clearly don't get it.
The game was designed to have fun at different types of combat. Conquering bases is just a means to promote combat and hence fun. But by no means is it more or less justified than going out and just mixing it up.[/size]
HiTech
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You're personal crusade to win the cartoon war for your cartoon country is no more and no less justified, right, correct, holy, ordained or sacred than any other player's personal game goal.
You can pretend that isn't so and you can believe it but that doesn't mean anyone else has to believe it. Delude yourself all you like; I don't care. The game's designer has clearly stated it is just not so and that's good enough for me.
Are you a TEAM PLAYER or a LONE WOLF, looking for the score?
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I switch teams to the low numbered side routinely. I don't care a whit about score. I have thousands and thousands of perk points and never fly perk rides. Winning the war means absolutely nothing to me. I will joyfully up at a capped field if it looks like the possiblililty of a good fight exists.
I play for two things and two things only:
1) The Fight.
My goal every time I log in is to find some decent A2A cartoon combat. Doesn't always happen, but that's the goal. Country doesn't matter, war doesn't matter, capture doesn't matter...the FIGHT is the thing. (Now, if by shooting down planes it helps people like you capture the base, good for you. But you should absolutely not think that's why I'm there. I am not one of your resources. )
2) To hang out, joke, talk about life with a few very select people as we rove around looking for a good FIGHT. In short, my second goal is to spend some online time with good friends of many years standing, having fun shooting down cartoon airplanes.
Now go play the game your way. But please be mature enough to realize that not everyone subscribes to your gaming philosophy, including the game's designer. Please be considerate enough to realize that your way is not the only way to play. Please be intelligent enough to realize that other players have no contractual obligation to you; other players are not your resources.
In closing, I'll point out that when the furball/warwinner arguments break out there are always accusations that one side or the other is trying to make people "play their way".
I think that 68Rox, in accordance with long standing warwinner tradition, has once again made it clear which side tries to make the other side "play their way".
Resources :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Toad
Actually, he is the owner, programmer, player and most importantly DESIGNER.
He does play with several different accounts/names.
I'll post this for you again, as you clearly don't get it.
You're personal crusade to win the cartoon war for your cartoon country is no more and no less justified, right, correct, holy, ordained or sacred than any other player's personal game goal.
You can pretend that isn't so and you can believe it but that doesn't mean anyone else has to believe it. Delude yourself all you like; I don't care. The game's designer has clearly stated it is just not so and that's good enough for me.
I switch teams to the low numbered side routinely. I don't care a whit about score. I have thousands and thousands of perk points and never fly perk rides. Winning the war means absolutely nothing to me. I will joyfully up at a capped field if it looks like the possiblililty of a good fight exists.
I play for two things and two things only:
1) The Fight.
My goal every time I log in is to find some decent A2A cartoon combat. Doesn't always happen, but that's the goal. Country doesn't matter, war doesn't matter, capture doesn't matter...the FIGHT is the thing. (Now, if by shooting down planes it helps people like you capture the base, good for you. But you should absolutely not think that's why I'm there. I am not one of your resources. )
2) To hang out, joke, talk about life with a few very select people as we rove around looking for a good FIGHT. In short, my second goal is to spend some online time with good friends of many years standing, having fun shooting down cartoon airplanes.
Now go play the game your way. But please be mature enough to realize that not everyone subscribes to your gaming philosophy, including the game's designer. Please be considerate enough to realize that your way is not the only way to play. Please be intelligent enough to realize that other players have no contractual obligation to you; other players are not your resources.
In closing, I'll point out that when the furball/warwinner arguments break out there are always accusations that one side or the other is trying to make people "play their way".
I think that 68Rox, in accordance with long standing warwinner tradition, has once again made it clear which side tries to make the other side "play their way".
Resources :rolleyes:
Eloquently stated and my feelings exactly Toad. Good post bro! <> and see ya in the MA soon.
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what Toad said is spot on,and take part in the capture part of the game .:aok
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oops, I meant to say I enjoy the capture element of the game,but ppl should fly how they like,and give the finger to those who suggest they fly otherwise.
:) :)
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Originally posted by wetrat
Disagree. It turns plenty well enough, and the 30's are easy to hit with once you get the hang of it (still get strings of bad luck with them tho.. slow ROF and all..). I seem to recall fighting some guy who likes to fly the 109F and pwning him turning and whatnot at low speeds.... who could that have been? :cool: K4 turns adequately if you're good enough with angles and overshoots, or just know when it's time to nose-up and hang on your prop.
And to falcntard... excuse me? Flying the K4 to farm perks/rank? I'm afraid not, son. I fly the K4 because I've always flown the G10/K4. It's what I enjoy, what I'm most comfortable in, and what I'm best in. It's also a challenge if you like pulling angles with spits at low speeds. The fact that not much stuff can run away is kinda nice, too.
But whatever, I'm pretty much retired anyway. Stick is broken.
Frikkin Muppets.....they could prolly up a mission of P40b's and wipe the floor with the competition:furious
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Originally posted by 68ROX
Score/Rank has helped me to grow immensely.
As a retired Olympics class competitor, stats are the "smart" way to see how you can compete better and improve yourself.
As a former Casino Marketing Director, data serves to prove how well you have done, and how much better you can do it next time.
I've always used stats to judge my progress, and find areas that need work. However, in the last year or so I've realized that even hard stats like hit % vary tremendously depending on how you choose to fly. And, I've realized that measuring my skills statistically was shepherding me down a particular flight style, and adding to frustration when things didnt go right.
So lately I've been flying purely for fun. I die a lot more, and I die to people I think I could outfly...but its fun anyway. My stats look worse, but I'm doing things I would have thought were insane last year.
And that doesnt mean I'm playing worse. Its jsut different.
So I refuse to let the stats define me or my flying. It's sonething to consider when you're making judgements about others....
Originally posted by 68ROX
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IMOHO=TT wastes resources....furballing with no intent of taking the base wastes resources.
HOW SOON WE FORGET: each solder, sailor, airman in WWII sole purpose was to win the war (reset)....not to get medals (score).
There are too many lone wolves in this game who want to run the game. I saw it as a Casino Marketing Director.
TEAM EFFORT = WIN.
Lone Wolves = Dissention.
You see dissention on this board every day.
Which are you? Team? Or lone wolf?
I'm on a team.
68ROX
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Gotta say it bud, you're flashing some pretty narrow minded, arrogant stuff here. You're assuming that everyone should be a base capture guy, and that if they're not then they're selfish loners who are chasing personal glory. And that, dear sir, is an overflowing crock of pus-laden bovine excrement.
I have no problem with war winners. I like a good base capture as much as anybody, though I have become a connosieur: "good" base captures use cleverness and skill, NOT hordes of attackers, IMHO. But, my squad is filled mostly with guys who love the FSO arenas. Our MA footprint is very small, and that leaves me as a free agent most of the time. I have flown with many bigger wings, inlcuding BoPs and AKs, and have fun working with them.
Since I'm often the only flying Mongrel in the arena, it means that most of the time I fly alone, and work with those around me. I like the fight, and I find a swarm ganged up to roll bases incredibly boring. That doesnt mean I'm selfish -- it means I have different goals than you do.
Suggest you might want to get off the high horse and allow others to find their own fun. Because truth be told, a handful of true fighter guys (not me)could...well....make it veeery difficult for you to grab that base.
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Toad wins....
Thread over...everyone go home :D
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Originally posted by bj229r
Frikkin Muppets.....they could prolly up a mission of P40b's and wipe the floor with the competition:furious
Since I started flying the C.205 two weeks ago, Dolfo has been flying the C.202 a lot and doing very well in it.
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Originally posted by wetrat
And to falcntard... excuse me? Flying the K4 to farm perks/rank? I'm afraid not, son. I fly the K4 because I've always flown the G10/K4. It's what I enjoy, what I'm most comfortable in, and what I'm best in. It's also a challenge if you like pulling angles with spits at low speeds. The fact that not much stuff can run away is kinda nice, too.
But whatever, I'm pretty much retired anyway. Stick is broken.
Thanks for again making my case...the k4 turns well, climbs great, has nice speed and only takes one shot to drop something...add to that it has an eny of 20 and further add that a bunch of the top 10 RANKED fiter scores has most of their kills in them add up to perk farmer....
1 + 1 = 2
because of this controversy about how lousy it was and how difficult it was to fly i took up my first 109k4 last night....i landed 5 kills in it about 15 minutes later...collected 16 perks for them...
it is a very easy plane and the supposed limitation of the 65 cannon rounds is actually not bad at all...now im not sure how but i figured 65 rounds would be gone in 1 or 2 pulls of the old trigger...instead 5 kills later i still had 20 rounds left...wow..im guessing it only has one 30 cannon and thus fires only a few at a time.....anyway i was very suprised at how long that cannon lasted...also one hit and the planes lost big parts...
the only peeps on this thread who are saying how bad it is are the guys who fly it and garner perks....im guessing you want it kept a secret...i highly recommend other sticks try it out and let us know what they think...i personally can think of alot of 10 eny planes i would trade for this ride so the high eny seems excessive....
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No need to post kudos to the top pilots on home page, here.
Better go inform HTC.
I bet score matters to the Fortune 500 crowd.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
the only peeps on this thread who are saying how bad it is are the guys who fly it and garner perks....im guessing you want it kept a secret...i highly recommend other sticks try it out and let us know what they think...i personally can think of alot of 10 eny planes i would trade for this ride so the high eny seems excessive....
Word! The K4 is a 7-10ENY plane, if not a 5.0. It is easy mode.
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Falc your saying the K4 is a perk farmer shows you know nothing about it. For the three or so months Iv been back the K4 has been one of my main rides and I have about 600 perks. Last week end I went perk farming in the mossi and A8 and in 2 days I got 150 perks! Just because some of the top 10 scorepotatos fly it DOES NOT make it worth a ENY change. I can tell you why they fly it.........um because its fast. Im pretty good with it but it still takes me 5-8 rounds to get a hit because of its accuracy and even more when you get real close and the tard is warp stirring. Go fly the 190A8 with quad 20s and come back to me when you get that nonsince outa your head.
BTW the 30mm isnt always a one shot kill, but if you flew it youd know that.
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A low rank is only good if you want to control a CV.
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Originally posted by Lusche
No one finds out how good he really is by fighting those two players... there are hundreds of better ones to be measured against.
well thats true but if your name was posted as the tour runner up as best overall thats it why i pick you you are on of the best.
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The G2 is a lot better perkfarmer, IMO. Couple of 40 perk runs it, and I'm an average stick at best. I was going to make the K my primary ride this camp, but am enjoying the G2 immensely, and have stuck with it instead. It also carries a bomb, which I think should be good for something, though I have yet to figure out what for.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
i took up my first 109k4 last night....i landed 5 kills in it about 15 minutes later...collected 16 perks for them
You just prooved my piont right there YOUR FIRST sortie. 16perks? What did you kill and how high was the perk piont ratio? You sure it was only one sortie?
How about you fly it more then just for one night. When you get more then 20kills in it a month then you can say if its ENY is to high until then keep flying your Lghay and spit16.
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Originally posted by Larry
How about you fly it more then just for one night. When you get more then 20kills in it a month then you can say if its ENY is to high until then keep flying your Lghay and spit16.
Funny that you mention 20 kills. I fly around 50 planes (and vehicles) each camp and I usually figure I know nothing about a plane until I have at least 20 kills plus deaths in it. The only difference is I track my individual plane stats over a three month period so this might not be in a single camp.
Even at 20 I'm no expert. Around 40 I'm getting there and at 80 it's probably become one of my favorites.
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65 rounds in the k4 does go a long way if you have a advantage. 65 round go very fast if you have a disadvantage looking for over shots.
Think i landed 9 kills in main last night in the k4 and only got 10 perks. I dont really count perks because i hardly every use them. Think i have something like 2500 GV perks and i never GV.
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Originally posted by Larry
You just prooved my piont right there YOUR FIRST sortie. 16perks? What did you kill and how high was the perk piont ratio? You sure it was only one sortie?
How about you fly it more then just for one night. When you get more then 20kills in it a month then you can say if its ENY is to high until then keep flying your Lghay and spit16.
Remove your pink luftwobble glasses and you will notice the K4 is is as dweeby as the other high-performances plane.
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guys my k/d is crap its a 2.6 when its usually at 4 , im decent and most who fight me know me well, my kp is ranked at 14 because i fly the ponys and 190a5 ALOT and i kill loads of 5 eny planes, i personally could careless about rank considering the only rNk system i look at is fighter, im always in top 100 and sometimes in top 50, as are most of my squqadies, hell one of em is ranked 9 or 10 in fihgter ( you can guess who?) its all bull excriment ive killed plenty of top 100 ranked guys and even top 10 rankers without much effort..... it takes no skill to fly timid or farm and milk.......................
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Flcn..you remain clueless.
K4 is great ride...not for all though. There is a reason noobs are told to fly la7s/spits/51s...never seen them told to fly K4, unless I do. Dont recall anybody saying it is a bad ride.
Perks are a joke. I know of nobody in the squad who flies it to perk farm. I have personally thrown away over 50k perks due to switching names...I could care less about them.
scorepotato? If that is what you call it...so be it. Kinda odd for a scorepotato to up a 202 from a semi capped base tho...isnt it? or a 38G when I was flying that as main ride. I fly the planes I enjoy...ones that pose some sort of challenge to me. I flew 38 till I got fairly comfortable in it...moved on to 109s because i never really flew them and couldnt land a shot with a 30mm to save my life...getting ready to switch over to another ride...not sure which yet...A8 possibly. I try to fly a plane that is a challenge to me, to keep me interested. I dont see why people fly La7s/spit16s/etc as main rides after their first year. It would get old to me very fast. Only reason I can see for it, is for historic reasons, 51 squad flies 51s, etc. I agree with that.
So continue with your clueless assumptions and get back in your la7/spit16 and fly with your squads.
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Originally posted by killnu
Flcn..you remain clueless.
K4 is great ride...not for all though. There is a reason noobs are told to fly la7s/spits/51s...never seen them told to fly K4, unless I do. Dont recall anybody saying it is a bad ride.
Perks are a joke. I know of nobody in the squad who flies it to perk farm. I have personally thrown away over 50k perks due to switching names...I could care less about them.
scorepotato? If that is what you call it...so be it. Kinda odd for a scorepotato to up a 202 from a semi capped base tho...isnt it? or a 38G when I was flying that as main ride. I fly the planes I enjoy...ones that pose some sort of challenge to me. I flew 38 till I got fairly comfortable in it...moved on to 109s because i never really flew them and couldnt land a shot with a 30mm to save my life...getting ready to switch over to another ride...not sure which yet...A8 possibly. I try to fly a plane that is a challenge to me, to keep me interested. I dont see why people fly La7s/spit16s/etc as main rides after their first year. It would get old to me very fast. Only reason I can see for it, is for historic reasons, 51 squad flies 51s, etc. I agree with that.
So continue with your clueless assumptions and get back in your la7/spit16 and fly with your squads.
Falcnwang<--------OWNT!:aok
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lol at falcntard. :lol
That is all :D
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
This isn't a war, it's a game. The point of a game is to win.
Funny how we diverge from the beginning. The point of a game is to play and have fun. All too often, the "point of the game is to win" attitude is what makes games stop being fun and become work. I've got enough work in RL to want to do it in a game....thank you very much! :)
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:noid
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Don't start bashing the 16 please..
I take that personally!!!:furious
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FX...I said I personally dont understand. Thats just me though. There are times flying a spit into the borg cube is lots of fun...but flying it all time...I just cant. To each their own.
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Originally posted by FX1
Don't start bashing the 16 please..
I take that personally!!!:furious
Dweeb
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Originally posted by Platano
Dweeb
Your correct sir :aok
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Originally posted by killnu
I dont see why people fly La7s/spit16s/etc as main rides after their first year. It would get old to me very fast. Only reason I can see for it, is for historic reasons, 51 squad flies 51s, etc. I agree with that.
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Just because it might get old for you, doesn't mean it's like that for everyone. Could it be those "vets" that fly these so called EZ rides do it because it's what they enjoy and makes the game fun for them? In my opinion, players are too caught up with what everyone else flies and forget to have fun themselves.
ack-ack
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Just to sum this up. I know I've written this elsewhere but... Scores as a means to objectively label someone as good, better or worse than another is futile. Everyone flies different planes, in different ways, at different times of the day or night. That being said, Fighter rank in particular, assuming it was obtained without cheating does paint a broad brush stroke as to whether the person has a clue or not how to fighter and how generally effective he is at it.
Let's take person A who has 15 kills in 72 hops, a 0.5 K/D ratio and kills about 2 or 3 planes an hour with a 2% hit percentage...Well, Slapshot may get on this board and tell me all day long he's the best down and dirty deck-master, twisty plane flyer there is, but I won't believe him. Why? because he's just not effective, he's not getting the job done, the job of a fighter is to destroy enemy aircraft as quickly and efficiently as possible, he's not achieving that.
The 'purest' measure of the various facets of skill in the widely variable art of fightering is really simple, it's called "Effectiveness". At the end of your flights ask these questions. Were you successfull or not? Did you dispatch as many opponents as you could in a reasable amount of time? If you didn't survive , did you at least take a couple extra of the bastards to the grave with ya? If the answer is yes, then you were "effective' if the answer is no, and your sheet looks like person A above..You need to practice, film, read books, and find a mentor, because you are NOT 'effective' in a fighter..Not matter how many of your squadmates or friends herald your skills...
As a contrast lets look at person B who has 180 kills in 45 hops w/ a 10 to 1 K/D ratio and kills about 8 enemy an hour. Now again Slapshot or whoever may get on this board and preach to the angles in heaven how this person is a no good swine who couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag and person A could take him to the DA and destroy him with his eyes closed, but I won't believe him. No matter how he got those kills player b is quite 'effective' he is doing a good job of clearing the skies of the enemy in an efficient manner, how he goes about it is his own business.
So, in summary, at least where fighter rank sub-stats are concerned. They may not be a usefull tool for determining the absolute skill level of one player compared to another, but what it is an excellent indicator of is relative effectiveness of players at fightering. The proof is in the pudding , so to speak, the pudding being the sub-stats that comprise fighter rank.
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I dont recall saying that AKAK. matter of fact...I responded to FX1s post with...
To each their own.
Pretty sure I was not the one trying to pigeonhole a squad for what they choose to fly.
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Originally posted by killnu
I dont recall saying that AKAK. matter of fact...I responded to FX1s post with...
Pretty sure I was not the one trying to pigeonhole a squad for what they choose to fly.
maybe you should re-read the title of this thread and my posts....you sound pathetic...
1. i never mentioned any names
2. i never mentioned any squad
3. there are many other top 10-20 guys who have not gotten so pitifully defensive...
4. to make my list of ways to get a top rank i simply pulled a score fiter spreadsheet and saw what the top pilots were flying and their kills/hour...
basically anyone who is not in your squad agrees with me and none of them are in my squad....but i dont want facts to blur your assumptions...
im sorry you guys are so over the top...you are the only ones who have insulted in your posts and i think it does demonstrate the quality of people you are...but continue to think calling names demonstrates a strong position...I think it only reinforces how weak you and your arguments/protests are...:rolleyes:
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Well. If he gets a new ride, he has change his whole frikkin avatar;)
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
2. i never mentioned any squad
basically anyone who is not in your squad agrees with me and none of them are in my squad....but i dont want facts to blur your assumptions...
im sorry you guys are so over the top...
down here in Cherokee country, you would be called, O ye with big foot in mouth!
Mark
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Originally posted by bj229r
Well. If he gets a new ride, he has change his whole frikkin avatar;)
Muppets<------own in any ride! But, since we are perk dweebs, we choose the perk-accumilator K-4 so that we might eventually get as many perks as the BOP"S! Then, and only then, we will be soooo cool!:aok
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Originally posted by Bosco123
i fly to get kills but dont fly to brag about it
:rofl :rofl :rofl you get kills thats funny.
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Originally posted by killnu
Flcn..you remain clueless.
that is an understatement but then again the FoSgs are the best building battlers as long as all 90+ of them are on and not too many people show up to oppose them.
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(meep)was invited by a muppet(unmeep):noid
btw:D :rofl :cry :rofl
:noid
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Originally posted by SkyRock
down here in Cherokee country, you would be called, O ye with big foot in mouth!
Mark
it is too tempting to make a firewater joke here mark...
but again im not sure what you mean...did i mention any squad name? if so please post that quote...otherwise continue with nonapplicable indian country quotes....
btw...im not a historic indian buff like you..but when did the indians say "ye"?
:rolleyes: :lol :rofl
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
it is too tempting to make a firewater joke here mark...
but again im not sure what you mean...did i mention any squad name? if so please post that quote...otherwise continue with nonapplicable indian country quotes....
btw...im not a historic indian buff like you..but when did the indians say "ye"?
:rolleyes: :lol :rofl
Mike, I do think that you implied our squad. Now does it hurt my feelings? No. Do I take smacktalk on these boards seriously? No.
Now about the Cherokee comment, that was a dorky joke, intended to be a dorky joke!
I think if you continue to try and convince someone that you did not have our squad in mind with some of your comments, then you would be "digging yourself a hole"! :aok
Mark
PS. Mike can you guess what type of plane the "Rock" falls on in my avatar? :aok
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You should go back and read your post...you must have forgotten. Come out and say?
and judging by the top 2 fiters in camps for as long as you care to trace back
Id say so.
basically anyone who is not in your squad agrees with me and none of them are in my squad....
I dont agree with you falconwing
but continue to think calling names demonstrates a strong position
When did I do that?
who sounds weak? Get facts straight.:aok
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Muppets<------own in any ride! But, since we are perk dweebs, we choose the perk-accumilator K-4 so that we might eventually get as many perks as the BOP"S! Then, and only then, we will be soooo cool!:aok
Sorry, but not in the Ki61. :aok
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Sorry, but not in the Ki61. :aok
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....K, 61's at dawn........err or sometime when were both on! :D
Mark
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Originally posted by SkyRock
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....K, 61's at dawn........err or sometime when were both on! :D
Mark
You got it! Jay
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Then that ki61 going down in flames like a giant fireball to the guns of a p38. :t
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Then that ki61 going down in flames like a giant fireball to the guns of a p38. :t
Bring it :cool:
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Originally posted by killnu
You should go back and read your post...you must have forgotten. Come out and say?
Id say so.
When did I do that?
who sounds weak? Get facts straight.:aok
im not as clever as you with the paste and cuts..but...
1. Your squad (platano, skyrock, wetrat) have all called me names, so dont cut a section of my sentence out and pretend i was accusing you of name calling when i was calling out the squad...
2. it just happens that under this current topic (scores not mattering anymore), 2 of your squaddies happen to be number one and two rank..so im sorry they fly the k4 exclusively when they are not in perk rides..but that IS the case...and if wetrat is NOT trying to fly for score..splain to me please sir why you great fiter furballing types need to fly fast perk planes that cant furball for 1/4 of your kills??? You Dost Protest Too Much :D (it IS okay to say "i fly for score"...its NOT a bad thing)
3. Now if your general purpose for trying to call me out is because you sense i dont think much of you and your squad..then you are correct about that...but acting like this on the bbs really doesnt help that cause much either...
You should try reading my original post for what it was...a logical factual analysis of what style of flying/fighting takes top score rank...by your squad deciding it was some sort of personal attack is kind of funny and makes one really wonder what insecurities lie behind your squaddies motives for flying and playing this game...
oh..and stay away from the brown tipped banana:D
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I have great respect for Falconwing and the BOP's......Sorry Falconwing I'm still trying to rehab Skyrocks image........I'll keep working on it Sir
PM to Skyrock....did I tell you coul put up any post on the boards yet!???
999000
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so are you trying to say you cant furball in a K4? because thats what i just got from your last post...if so, you are sadly mistaken. It is quite fun to do. One reason I fly K4/G14 so much is, people underestimate what i can do slow...with flaps out...and with that 30mm, one shot all you need.
Because of the scores you see, you made an assumption on how we fly...it was wrong...that is what i took "offense" to, if you want to call it that. considering I have had one of the top two spots quite a bit...yes, Id say you was trying to tell me how I fly based on the numbers you see. You should look back a about 10 tours or so and see when I flew a 38G majority of the time...kind of blows your theory out of water, dont it?
As far as the time I am on...not that I need to explain...but, since I am in the Navy and was on shore duty, I spent lot of time with family, and when I could, I played this game. I had lots of time on shore duty, it kicked arse. I knew I was going back to a boat, so took advantage of the time I had, with family first...and enjoyed this game as well. I will be gone for 6 months soon, so no family or game for that time. Hope that helps fill in some information of why my time may be were it was...not to score high...that is just rediculous.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
..splain to me please sir why you great fiter furballing types need to fly fast perk planes that cant furball for 1/4 of your kills???
3. Now if your general purpose for trying to call me out is because you sense i dont think much of you and your squad..then you are correct about that...
Let me start by saying you haven't a clue.
Now, tell me, what perk ride are you implying can't furball?
Clue......just so you'll at least have one.........., the 109K-4 is an incredible furballer! It has all the basic essentials for furballing, plus some.
Clue......maybe now you can have two of them........, we like to fight, we are good enough to perk jet points in an hour or two, and we use said perks to totally own folks not much unlike you and your entire squad and or any and all wings of said squad!
Hint......if you know how to take one..........., get off the Muppet's ankles!
:aok
Mark
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Originally posted by killnu
so are you trying to say you cant furball in a K4? because thats what i just got from your last post...if so, you are sadly mistaken. It is quite fun to do. One reason I fly K4/G14 so much is, people underestimate what i can do slow...with flaps out...and with that 30mm, one shot all you need.
Because of the scores you see, you made an assumption on how we fly...it was wrong...that is what i took "offense" to, if you want to call it that. considering I have had one of the top two spots quite a bit...yes, Id say you was trying to tell me how I fly based on the numbers you see. You should look back a about 10 tours or so and see when I flew a 38G majority of the time...kind of blows your theory out of water, dont it?
As far as the time I am on...not that I need to explain...but, since I am in the Navy and was on shore duty, I spent lot of time with family, and when I could, I played this game. I had lots of time on shore duty, it kicked arse. I knew I was going back to a boat, so took advantage of the time I had, with family first...and enjoyed this game as well. I will be gone for 6 months soon, so no family or game for that time. Hope that helps fill in some information of why my time may be were it was...not to score high...that is just rediculous.
hmm..maybe you are not reading my posts slowly enough...i have just spent half my posts saying that the K4 is uber and easy to get kills in...and yes ill stand by my second point which is that tempests and 262s are not flown to furball, but to boom and zoom and stay alive in....see the K4 is NOT perked so when i say "dont furball in perk rides" i am not referring to it...
and yes i guess i didnt look back 10 tours to do my analysis LMAO...but again i wasnt trying to single you out but instead to add to a thread that was about what caused guys to get top 10 ranks....
as for skyrock, i haven't addressed anything to you and you have continued to berate me...so you seem a little tipsy when you say I am on YOUR ankle...ok i take it back..i did make fun of your "indian" saying....but that was after many many posts of yours...
the only guy not in your squad taking your side is Storch...that might make you pause to reflect before you post again:D
Oh and to my friend 999000...as always sir you remind me of what appropriate conduct should be :aok
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
im not as clever as you with the paste and cuts..but...
1. Your squad (platano, skyrock, wetrat) have all called me names, so dont cut a section of my sentence out and pretend i was accusing you of name calling when i was calling out the squad...
2. it just happens that under this current topic (scores not mattering anymore), 2 of your squaddies happen to be number one and two rank..so im sorry they fly the k4 exclusively when they are not in perk rides..but that IS the case...and if wetrat is NOT trying to fly for score..splain to me please sir why you great fiter furballing types need to fly fast perk planes that cant furball for 1/4 of your kills??? You Dost Protest Too Much :D (it IS okay to say "i fly for score"...its NOT a bad thing)
1. I call everyone names. I insult Muppets with much more vigor than turds such as yourself.
2. Are you kidding? K4 can't furball? And, more to the point, I don't? I've got several hundred hours of film that would disagree. I think the fact that I get shot down around 60% of my sorties is a fair indication of that as well. One more thing... if you take out all my jet sorties, I'd still have pretty much the same K/D, and my K/T would be higher. Oh well. Don't know why I've bothered countering your inane points, you're clearly a tard. (that's where I got your new nickname, falcntard.. get it?) I suppose I should only fly the planes I enjoy during tours where I don't feel like making a half-hearted attempt at #1 in fighters (...that's every tour but this one, for those of you keeping track at home).
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the only guy not in your squad taking your side is Storch
really? the cut and paste I did was not by him. Maybe you should do more in depth analysis before making anymore wrong assumptions that you try to pass off as fact.
you look at a single spread sheet of a top ranked guy and start passing off assumptions as fact. why not do a more in depth search and see if those assumptions hold true? before you pass them off as fact. That is like me looking at your squads and saying everyone of you all fly in a horde...when they may not be the case...but the numbers are there to support my conclusion.
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This is just absolutely enthralling, rivetting drama.
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quah...:)
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its not a drama...its a comedy. :aok
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Originally posted by bj229r
Well when I'm toodling about, and I see a '109' thingie above me, I worry until I can see if it's a K4 or not--the others I can do SOMEthin with. If I look up and see 3-5 109's, I know it's the #$#% Muppets and they are going to execute me with said K4's:cry
LOL I just wait for em to come down so we can play whether I die or not.
Quit sucking up to em. They'll start believing their own press clippings and they'll be impossible to live with :)
Having flown with most of em, they're dweebs just like the rest of us:aok
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Originally posted by FX1
I do disagree.. Score can be a quick reference for people to see if that person is a aggressive our passive pilot. It can also be a quick reference for in flight check to see if the person you have just shot down has any idea what they are doing. take for instance my score. I dont have a high KD in fighter but what i do have is a high KT time. This shows me that i have been doing base protection and not that many landings in fighter.
If you have under a 2 KD in my book shows me that your air combat skills need to be better.
Tour 89 Fighter Scores for FX1
Score Rank
Kills per Death + 1 6.54 59
Kills per Sortie 3.86 15
Kills per Hour of Flight 21.20 5
Kills Hit Percentage 16.31 25
Kill Points 22475.34 330
What happens if your MO is to fly low in a 38G and head into the crowd regardless of the outcome? :)
Granted I suck at this game, but I can still give most of em a good fight in that big target of mine, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna fly timid or always need the advantage. Since i don't really die and get a new plane every time, all i want to do is fight.
Had an absolute beauty of a fight going with Engine in his Ki-84 tonite. We were going round and round in a furball with all kinds of birds going by. He got picked. Had that fight played out, it's 50/50 he'd have had me. How does his or my K/D reflect that fight?
Stats are useless in the end, but I guess some folks need measuring sticks beyond how much fun they're having. I don't :)
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
im not as clever as you with the paste and cuts..but...
1. Your squad (platano, skyrock, wetrat) have all called me names, so dont cut a section of my sentence out and pretend i was accusing you of name calling when i was calling out the squad...
2. it just happens that under this current topic (scores not mattering anymore), 2 of your squaddies happen to be number one and two rank..so im sorry they fly the k4 exclusively when they are not in perk rides..but that IS the case...and if wetrat is NOT trying to fly for score..splain to me please sir why you great fiter furballing types need to fly fast perk planes that cant furball for 1/4 of your kills??? You Dost Protest Too Much :D (it IS okay to say "i fly for score"...its NOT a bad thing)
3. Now if your general purpose for trying to call me out is because you sense i dont think much of you and your squad..then you are correct about that...but acting like this on the bbs really doesnt help that cause much either...
You should try reading my original post for what it was...a logical factual analysis of what style of flying/fighting takes top score rank...by your squad deciding it was some sort of personal attack is kind of funny and makes one really wonder what insecurities lie behind your squaddies motives for flying and playing this game...
oh..and stay away from the brown tipped banana:D
lmao 113 kills in a la7 and 116 kills in a spit 16 how long have u been here falc?
try and move on to something else you might improve:aok
try the mosie:aok
and secondly your sad diatribe on 200 calling skyrock a drunk just shows how immature and pathetic you are so please, dont say anyone is calling you names if the shoe fits....
sod off you banana :D
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Originally posted by wetrat
1. I call everyone names. I insult Muppets with much more vigor than turds such as yourself.
2. Are you kidding? K4 can't furball? And, more to the point, I don't? I've got several hundred hours of film that would disagree. I think the fact that I get shot down around 60% of my sorties is a fair indication of that as well. One more thing... if you take out all my jet sorties, I'd still have pretty much the same K/D, and my K/T would be higher. Oh well. Don't know why I've bothered countering your inane points, you're clearly a tard. (that's where I got your new nickname, falcntard.. get it?) I suppose I should only fly the planes I enjoy during tours where I don't feel like making a half-hearted attempt at #1 in fighters (...that's every tour but this one, for those of you keeping track at home).
once again ill continue to be the bigger man and not make clever 3rd grade insults by adding "tard" to peoples cpids...im glad you consider yourself a professional insulter...
and once again ill restate the point i have stated over and over again which is that the K4 is a good furballer and a score/perk farmer...i wish i knew how to chnage color of text so you guys wont keep missing the same point repeatedly....
once again...the direction of this thread was why score was useless and why truly good pilots dont rank high...my observations are rock solid about what mix of planes are currently used to achieve top scores....
as for what i fly...well obviously i dont fly perk or score farmers and that is because anyone who has flown with or around me finds me defending fields or countering numbers and i choose the best rides available...thats why ill never be a top 20 fiter score guy...i also see this as a cartoon airplane game and ill remain forever unclear why people feel some planes are beneath their abilities...i will alawys pick the best plane for the fight im entering into...somehow that seems smart to me...
as for skyrock/mark, he is well aware of how i feel about his tactics of trying to insult/bully guys out of certain planes by insulting them on ch 200...sometimes it gets to me (i belive he was insulting either the DFA or the Unforgiven) and i give it back to him with comments that i know will upset him...he and i know each other well enough that i dont think he needs you to hold his hand Strich9..i believe we ended that night on a positive note and i apologized to him for "crossing the line". that is more then any of you professional insulters have ever done...from your 200 text i assume your goal is to upset people as much as possible and i find that offensive...
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you dont fly a "score farmer"? :huh So I wont be a scorepotato, as you put it, if I fly a La7? This is a joke, right?
truly good pilots dont rank high? wasnt Fester and Wetrat at the top there? They are not truly good? Once again, a joke, right?
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Originally posted by killnu
you dont fly a "score farmer"? :huh So I wont be a scorepotato, as you put it, if I fly a La7? This is a joke, right?
truly good pilots dont rank high? wasnt Fester and Wetrat at the top there? They are not truly good? Once again, a joke, right?
dude relax...im sorry you feel your a scorepotato and have to defend it..lets ask this a different way...you have been number one fiter for many times...do you think you are the best fiter? if not then you have to be honest with yourself and admit you game the game....once again chill...everybody does to some extent, even me (rockets into town etc)
as for fester and wetrat, i have no idea..i HAVE dueled wetrat in DA once before and IF i remember right he insisted we only fly 109s and i beat him every time...that was back when creton and i used to DA a lot...if i am wrong then apologies but i can check my films..i remember the name because someone had said he was a great 109 pilot and i thought i would see how good...what i think made him stand out was the fact he wouldnt duel spit5s which is sort of a staple in da...if that was him then i would not say he is top 10 unless you consider me uber:D if it wasnt him, the it was someone grumpy with a similar name...
the only 3 people who have ever "owned" me in the da were skyrock, elevenk and biggles....and i have da'd a lot of people...if any of you want join that list feel free but i am not flying only your rides in there...we can alternate...in the MA the only guys who really worry me are blukitty and lazer..they are outstanding low...
look i have played versions of this game fom awc to this for 13 years now..your personalities have always existed and then one day realized that being "a top fiter" means nothing...hey maybe you can answer one queston for me...why all the name changes??? killnu/dolfo souless/strich9 hoarach/fringe skyrock/many different shades ??? that is a theme i always noted with these squads..always reincarnating as different names?
what gives?
and yes...if you can get number one fiter score in a la7...ill buy you lunch:aok
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Originally posted by Husky01
:rofl :lol :rofl :lol :rofl He said Vanscrew! I though I was gonna fall out of my chair
.. i thought the same thing nothing against yah screw, your side changing, trash talking hell of a pilot.
but to be compared to .. shhheeshh.
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I dont only fly 109s...in your vast research, maybe you can find that out. I will gladly DA you whenever we on...no biggie to me. I sure as heck dont feel im the best...Ive had my lunch handed to me plenty in DA. But game the game in fighter? nope. try to score potato? nope. MA and DA are to different beast. You can use what you learn in DA in the MA. I certainly dont feel im a scorepotato....which is what you have been saying we are doing...which is off base with the facts. YOu said ask those you have flown with etc...have you flown with us? Do you jump to low number side? Didnt think so. So like I have said before, you are making assumptions based on numbers and calling them fact.
Edit: Not a shades...I hide it from nobody. I have no dual accounts. I have changed for different reasons. From some guy named KillingU, to deployment. You forgot Balor. :aok
and no kidding "top fighter" means nothing...like I thought it did. I have tried to get it twice...the first two times...that was so Shwk didnt get it. After that...it has happened. That is the pathetic truth.
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My my my.... Egos Egos Egos.
'nuff in this thread for all of AH 3 times over...
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SkyRock<---owns Ghastly........2....easy!
:aok
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in the walk down memory lane thread the FoSG queen bee states that he has been playing this game since 1994. the first thing that occurs to me is why an adult person who has thirteen odd years playing experience is still running around with legions of players most of which are barely pubescent knocking down pixellated standing structures in a cartoon game?
secondly, why has this person not progressed beyond the use of the most easily handled and least challenging of the cartoon inventory?
thirdly, why do I never find this player alone in the game? ever.
he challenged me to the DA once I accepted. during that fight he won two rounds but by the third fight I figured out how to get above him and thus ended in a stalemate. he has yet to return to the DA with me, often citing my inability to offer him a challenge as a reason and excuse.
I fought wetrat in the DA once and it was clear to me immediately that I was far outclassed. there wasn't even the glimmer of a hope for me to even negate this players far greater ability with anything. my only end in any fight with this player would be by pixellated anihilation. he is possibly the best player in the game currently.
falcnwng is basically a timid player and he with his whole squad are anathema to what this game is and should be to me and many others.
the megasquad concept does nothing but stifle fighting and promote mindless cartoon world domination at the expense of any players who may be interested in something as unobtrusive as a few guys enjoying a furball.
I believe that the change to a fractured MA was done in part as a reactive tactic to curb the disruptive and unhealthy style of game play that the FoSGs have come to embody.
If I might suggest to HTC, I believe that HTC should create yet another arena strictly for the tooltards. give them a pizza style map. divide the three sectors of the map with 200k mountain ranges. have one base within 30-40 bases that belongs to an opposing country in each sector. allow only token and unmannable ack as the only defense for these 30-40 bases no vehicles of aircraft enabled at any base except for the one opposing team base in each sector. make the towns have 100+ buildings. pay high perk value for killing sheds and have AI drones that will repeatedly spawn but never roll for the vultures. give them fleets of CVs for them to sink out at anchor at each port.
this would remove these disruptive and timid players from the real arenas, it would provide them with the sense of worth that they get from killing vulnerable players and stationary targets and lastly they could determine who the best toolshedding squad is every single day.
once again for you clueless members. Birds of prey never flock, seagulls flock. you guys are a flock of seagulls picking stuff out of the AH landfill.
the FoSGs
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Originally posted by storch
in the walk down memory lane thread the FoSG queen bee states that he has been playing this game since 1994. the first thing that occurs to me is why an adult person who has thirteen odd years playing experience is still running around with legions of players most of which are barely pubescent knocking down pixellated standing structures in a cartoon game?
secondly, why has this person not progressed beyond the use of the most easily handled and least challenging of the cartoon inventory?
thirdly, why do I never find this player alone in the game? ever.
he challenged me to the DA once I accepted. during that fight he won two rounds but by the third fight I figured out how to get above him and thus ended in a stalemate. he has yet to return to the DA with me, often citing my inability to offer him a challenge as a reason and excuse.
I fought wetrat in the DA once and it was clear to me immediately that I was far outclassed. there wasn't even the glimmer of a hope for me to even negate this players far greater ability with anything. my only end in any fight with this player would be by pixellated anihilation. he is possibly the best player in the game currently.
falcnwng is basically a timid player and he with his whole squad are anathema to what this game is and should be to me and many others.
the megasquad concept does nothing but stifle fighting and promote mindless cartoon world domination at the expense of any players who may be interested in something as unobtrusive as a few guys enjoying a furball.
I believe that the change to a fractured MA was done in part as a reactive tactic to curb the disruptive and unhealthy style of game play that the FoSGs have come to embody.
If I might suggest to HTC, I believe that HTC should create yet another arena strictly for the tooltards. give them a pizza style map. divide the three sectors of the map with 200k mountain ranges. have one base within 30-40 bases that belongs to an opposing country in each sector. allow only token and unmannable ack as the only defense for these 30-40 bases no vehicles of aircraft enabled at any base except for the one opposing team base in each sector. make the towns have 100+ buildings. pay high perk value for killing sheds and have AI drones that will repeatedly spawn but never roll for the vultures. give them fleets of CVs for them to sink out at anchor at each port.
this would remove these disruptive and timid players from the real arenas, it would provide them with the sense of worth that they get from killing vulnerable players and stationary targets and lastly they could determine who the best toolshedding squad is every single day.
once again for you clueless members. Birds of prey never flock, seagulls flock. you guys are a flock of seagulls picking stuff out of the AH landfill.
the FoSGs
dude what are you doing in a thread thats about the best pilots???
:rolleyes: :lol :rofl
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the title clearly states score and rank as being completely usless info so what are you doing in it? you love score and rank. skill not so much.
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the whisper of feathers? lol. typically it's OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII*poof* as another FoSG augers in a vultch attempt.
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OK! LOL I can't stand it anymore!!!!! I have to respond. ;)
Do you know how many Posts on this topic I've read the past 8 years?
Answer: Too Many!
It's a game! Hello! Game. Lemme see.....how many perkies did Bong earn during his combat life in WWII?
Answer: 0
One pays their 15 dollars each month so they can ENJOY the game with the diversity that is built into the game.
Now.......who's good and who is not good? Many are good and many not so good. Just as in real life. Who gives a ratzass?
What puts a burr under my saddle is how many people whom I respect and like from all 3 countries act so dam childish in such a small area. Jezus H. Keerist grow up. There is no one good way to play the game. There are however a multitude of ways to enjoy it and none...I repeat NONE is the best for all. Some like to fly perk rides, some could care less. Some fight "The War", some like just to fight. Some pick, some twist and turn, some bomb, some GV...some like to attack from CVs etc. No one way is suited for all. Play what is the most fun for you!
OK......soapbox fell over.
I'm tired of seeing these moronic posts, insults, accusations, etc. of who's good, who's better...who's way of gameplay is best.
Please....give it a rest :rofl Score? Wazzat?
Until you have that attitude, the game won't be as much for you as it can be.
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lol, 1 thing I learned in life is there will always be someone better in 1 point in time. Reason I don't go around saying i the best. No one is.
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Originally posted by storch
the whisper of feathers? lol. typically it's OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII*poof* as another FoSG augers in a vultch attempt.
I like my sig better...............Storch.
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Originally posted by AKDogg
lol, 1 thing I learned in life is there will always be someone better in 1 point in time. Reason I don't go around saying i the best. No one is.
This is the best post I've seen in a while, probably 6 months.
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Originally posted by thndregg
I like my sig better...............Storch.
change it to big squad makes thndregg a little man. much more fitting for for you. also do you guys even have to gang on the BBS? sheesh. do you guys do anything alone? if you attend the cons do you all get up and go to the restroom together? you guys are an odd lot.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
LOL I just wait for em to come down so we can play whether I die or not.
Quit sucking up to em. They'll start believing their own press clippings and they'll be impossible to live with :)
Having flown with most of em, they're dweebs just like the rest of us:aok
It's getting damn vexing for me--I ONLY fly P47N --probably wouldn't even PLAY AH but for that plane coming out (mebbe D40 if eny is a prob), and if Im above 7k or so, LA tards can't run me down, but I have NO idea how to deal with a K4 or a Yak, absolutely can't do squat with them--I cant find anything jug does better than them, (assuming encounter is prolly <10k) except dive, and that is only a temporary solution, as they don't compress much as I can tell, and closer to the deck, the greater the speed difference between the 2 planes is. Such moments make one long for a wingman:eek:
(If someone can show me how to reverse these areas, would be ever so greatful:aok )
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Originally posted by bj229r
It's getting damn vexing for me--I ONLY fly P47N --probably wouldn't even PLAY AH but for that plane coming out (mebbe D40 if eny is a prob), and if Im above 7k or so, LA tards can't run me down, but I have NO idea how to deal with a K4 or a Yak, absolutely can't do squat with them--I cant find anything jug does better than them, (assuming encounter is prolly <10k) except dive, and that is only a temporary solution, as they don't compress much as I can tell, and closer to the deck, the greater the speed difference between the 2 planes is. Such moments make one long for a wingman:eek:
(If someone can show me how to reverse these areas, would be ever so greatful:aok )
let's DA I'll get a 109 which is my favorite ride.
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You have a much better roll rate and hold E better then the 109, use it.:D
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G series yah, but K4 far better roller/diver than others, as I can tell
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Sounds like your running into pilots who know how to push the limits of the Konrad, like using the K key in dives and using rudders to help roll.
I'm sure one of the other Muppets would be willing to work with you...I'm no where near as good as any of the other guys in my squad, so I'm not going to insult you by offering you my help.
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Originally posted by Xargos
Sounds like your running into pilots who know how to push the limits of the Konrad, like using the K key in dives and using rudders to help roll.
I'm sure one of the other Muppets would be willing to work with you...I'm no where near as good as any of the other guys in my squad, so I'm not going to insult you by offering you my help.
Yah, most guys I run into drivin K4's are good sticks ANYway
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
...my observations are rock solid about what mix of planes are currently used to achieve top scores....
Haven't we already covered this and shown that your observations didn't apply to some? You then backpedaled and called them generalizations. Tell me, how can generalizations be rock solid? Especially since we already proved that they are 100% inaccurate in some cases.
You also said your first post is : ...a logical factual analysis of what style of flying/fighting takes top score rank
So, is it a generalization, an observation, or a logical factual analysis?
How can it be the third, or even the second when we've already disproven it?
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
I was in a 190-A8 (not too terribly different than a Jug match-up) the other night at about 7-8K all alone in a sector having just left the field when a 109K4 came over me at about 15K. I leveled and hit WEP to get speed watching the guy. Sure enough he came after me.
As he drew nearer (about 2K back) I nosed down into a dive. I kept watching both him and my speed. As I crossed his compression point (~400 mph TGS) he pulled up. As he pulled up I dropped to the deck as quick as I could and leveled at treetop height.
I was running with WEP on watching the guy. He started circling. He had lost me when he pulled up and I simultaneously dove under his nose.
After I was clear of icon range I pulled back up into a climb. Finally he spotted me and came after me again. I reversed and the entire scenario above played out again except this time he was also on the deck closing from 2-3K back.
In the meantime a friendly had come close and asked if I needed help. I said sure but he couldn't close on the K4. I was just about to reverse to drag the K4 to him when it broke off me to chase him.
I reversed as the friendly and the K4 went one or two rounds, then, the K4 came straight at me. Poof. That will teach that guy to try to HO a 190-A8.
The point of this is, your dive speed may not have only been a temporary advantage. Had I not climbed back out I would have cleared that K4 after the first attempt and been gone.
Later that flight I was chased by a G series 109. I scissored him into a nose to nose at which point he boke off. Unfortunately he had hit my last remaining fuel tank during the scissors and I ended up hitting a tree trying to ditch some minutes later.
Yet another worthy tactic you could try in the Jug, especially as fast as the K4's are, an overshoot would be likely.
BaldEagle, are trying to help him learn how to reverse K-4's, or how to HO planes you don't know how to reverse???:confused:
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Originally posted by SkyRock
BaldEagle, are trying to help him learn how to reverse K-4's, or how to HO planes you don't know how to reverse???:confused:
I deleted the post for that very reason.
Actually, my plan was to scissor him into an overshoot or a nose-to-nose on the second encounter but we never got that far.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
I deleted the post for that very reason.
Actually, my plan was to scissor him into an overshoot or a nose-to-nose on the second encounter but we never got that far.
Why would you ever want a nose to nose?
bj229r, if you want any help on how to reverse any plane that has an advantage on your jug, let me know and I'll be glad to help as much as I can. There are certain angles that you don't want against a k-4, and some that are more advantageous for the jug. It is all in re-active flying and timing, but the manuvers are fairly basic and work for almost any plane fighting from the disadvantage!
Mark
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sweet:aok
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Why would you ever want a nose to nose?
2x20's and 2x30's vs 1x30 and it would actually end in a high deflection shot, not a true nose to nose but close enough I suppose. I use this a lot in the A8 and pretty succesfully.
Missing that deflection shot and carried through far enough it ends up reversing the roles, making me the pursuer.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
2x20's and 2x30's vs 1x30 and it would actually end in a high deflection shot, not a true nose to nose but close enough I suppose. I use this a lot in the A8 and pretty succesfully.
Missing that deflection shot and carried through far enough it ends up reversing the roles, making me the pursuer.
I'd much rather prefer the 2x20mm's and 2x30mm's vs 109k-4 elevators and vert stab!:aok
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Haven't we already covered this and shown that your observations didn't apply to some? You then backpedaled and called them generalizations. Tell me, how can generalizations be rock solid? Especially since we already proved that they are 100% inaccurate in some cases.
You also said your first post is :
So, is it a generalization, an observation, or a logical factual analysis?
How can it be the third, or even the second when we've already disproven it?
Truly your intellect is dizzying....
:lol
to reply directly to you i would say that a generalization can be true and therefore my generalizations are of course rock solid:aok
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Originally posted by storch
in the walk down memory lane thread the FoSG queen bee states that he has been playing this game since 1994. the first thing that occurs to me is why an adult person who has thirteen odd years playing experience is still running around with legions of players most of which are barely pubescent knocking down pixellated standing structures in a cartoon game?
secondly, why has this person not progressed beyond the use of the most easily handled and least challenging of the cartoon inventory?
thirdly, why do I never find this player alone in the game? ever.
he challenged me to the DA once I accepted. during that fight he won two rounds but by the third fight I figured out how to get above him and thus ended in a stalemate. he has yet to return to the DA with me, often citing my inability to offer him a challenge as a reason and excuse.
I fought wetrat in the DA once and it was clear to me immediately that I was far outclassed. there wasn't even the glimmer of a hope for me to even negate this players far greater ability with anything. my only end in any fight with this player would be by pixellated anihilation. he is possibly the best player in the game currently.
falcnwng is basically a timid player and he with his whole squad are anathema to what this game is and should be to me and many others.
Ok storch you dont even lie well though it is what you do the most.... here is your post from 10/2006 right after we went to the DA....
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Originally posted by thndregg
No guts because you choose not to DA........ A N Y O N E.
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thank you for your response but I have to say not true. I have been to the DA many times once with your CO and a few of his pals. you baitfish players never seem to do anything alone do you?
I have been to DA with REDD who slaughtered me
I have been to the DA with shane who slaughtered me
I have been to the DA with wildthng who slaughtered me
I have been to the DA with akak who slaughtered me
I have been to the DA falconwing who slaughtered me.
I have been to the DA with other players where it has been a draw.
I have been to the DA with other players whom I have slaughtered.
I don't like the DA. I find it boring and I'm not good enough at it nor do I have any interest in taking the time to aquire the skill it takes to get good at it. it proves nothing to me so it is of little value.
of the players above mentioned that slaughtered me I was least impressed with akak. here's a player with over ten years experience that I actually had a gun solution on, If I could shoot well he would have been dead.
the player that impressed me the most was falconwing, he may well be the best player I have ever fought outside of morph, stang or leviathn.
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storch
"After two years in Washington I long for the reality and sincerity of hollywood". Senator Fred Thompson (R) Tennessee
ahgreenhearts.org *no quarter asked but often given*
BUSTED!!!!
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bj229r,
If you're excelling in the P47N then you're probably better than at least half the players in this game, including me.
Just my opinion.
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Originally posted by toonces3
bj229r,
If you're excelling in the P47N then you're probably better than at least half the players in this game, including me.
Just my opinion.
lol 'excelling' wouldnt be MY description:rofl
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Well, I would describe my performance in the P-47N as 'baby seal' so I guess you're at least doing better than that eh!?
lol
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Originally posted by Platano
Below is a list of CUrrent Top 10 Pile-itz... Observe:
Game ID
1-slayr1
2-SHawk
3-BiPoLaR2
4-pacerr
5-Lusche
6-Dextur
7-AXER
8-shreck
9-Zip5389
10-AKDogg
I see ONLY 1 person on this list capable of puting a good fight..and thats AKdogg.... and He's 10th. I cant see any of the rest winning a 1v1 fight with lets say Skyrock, Stang, Dedalos, Dolfo, Wetrat, lev, bighorn, Fester, FX1 or any other good stick.
Face it RankTardlings will be just that... Its all they have to make themselves feel all nice and fuzzy inside to know they have a nice high shiney rank...
HAAAAA
That AKDogg person is a .....
CHEATER MEANY BULLY!!!
And I can prove it!
Ask him these questions...........
Does he take ammo?
Does he take fuel?
Does he shoot at wrag?
Does he hit wrag?
Does he get kills of wrag?
IF he answers yes to any of these............
He's a CHEATER MEANY BULLY!!!
there now I FEEL BETTER :D
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Originally posted by toonces3
Well, I would describe my performance in the P-47N as 'baby seal' so I guess you're at least doing better than that eh!?
lol
I've advanced to 'sea cow' level:D
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Truly your intellect is dizzying....
:lol
to reply directly to you i would say that a generalization can be true and therefore my generalizations are of course rock solid:aok
Other than being inaccurate, I guess they're rock solid.
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lol Wrag.:lol
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
blah blah and blah, chest thump and whine hold his breath and then with relief cries ta daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa BUSTED!!!!
when I fought you I had very little DA experience. after gaining more experience in the DA and recalling my errors and good moves in my fight with you I have revised my opinion of your qualities as a player.
I flew in the DA with Lute recently and he slaughtered me as well but it is taking far longer for some of these marquis players to slaugter me now. the exception is wetrat who beat me like like a blind school boy he needed lunch money from.
flying in the DA is far different than flying in the arenas, I understand that now, I'm a noob who is slowing getting a clue. I started playing in april of 2003 while recovering from an accident that left me without 1/2 of my right thumb. I'm not making excuses as it is a very slight handicap but it is a hinderence in this game.
maybe next time I meet you in the DA it will take you a little longer to slaughter me. the point is I'm willing to go, even if it's past my bedtime.
I'll ask out of curiosity, thirteen years experience? really? why aren't you far better?
oh and I forgot I went to the DA once with fester and he really really really really really slaughtered me.
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i R the best at any time of my choice.. :aok
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Originally posted by storch
when I fought you I had very little DA experience. after gaining more experience in the DA and recalling my errors and good moves in my fight with you I have revised my opinion of your qualities as a player.
You have good moves?
:D
Dedalos <------------ pwns Storch :p
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Wrag,
You forgot:
Does he log into the game when Wrag is on-line?
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Truly your intellect is dizzying....
:lol
to reply directly to you i would say that a generalization can be true and therefore my generalizations are of course rock solid:aok
Is your lake house near Bernard's landing? Ecoli issue in water around there in the news...
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eek!
well we are about a 15 minute boat ride from it,,,landwise we are closer
ill ask around
thanks
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Yes I agree, with the current setup, rank and score have minimal meaning. And the topic has been beat to death, with an overwhelming majority agreeing on a need for change. Still........................ ........... the overwhelming majority sees no change, nor even a recognition of a need for change:(
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Originally posted by Atoon
nor even a recognition of a need for change:(
Why is there a need for a change?
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Originally posted by Sketch
Wrag,
You forgot:
Does he log into the game when Wrag is on-line?
YAAAAA!
That too!!!!!!!:D