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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: wrag on June 26, 2007, 02:24:56 PM
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any opinions on Plasma TV's?
Please give your info here.
someone I know is thinking of getting one.
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I like my 42 inch panasonic I got for the bedroom. The picture is simply amazing to me. HD looks almost 3d on it.
I bought an hdmi dvd recorder that upconverts dvd's at the same time and it really does make a difference... near HD quality from normal dvd.
lazs
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Thanks :)
Will pass on the info..........
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plasma has a limited life time,20,000 hours or so.It cant be refilled and when used up the TV is junk. I'd suggest LCD and if money is no object look into 1080P,the native resolution is usually 1920/1080 or just over 2 million pixels. Yes LCD has a limited lifespan too but closer to 50,000 hours and the responce time are so low now that the problem of ghosting is almost completely gone.
" Tom's harrdware" has some excellent comparisons between TV's,so you might want to check that site out. Do lots of homework so you dont have to rely on the salesmen's imformation,as they tend to tell you want you want to hear whether it's true or not!!!!
AH would look great on a 46 in 1080P lcd screen:aok :aok :aok
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Was an article in the papaer recently comparing plasmas with others. It was once thought that typical use would require the plasma to be refilled in about 7 years but that hasn't proven to be the case. I'm thinking of buying either a plasma or an lcd. Since plasmas cost much less and look almost as good I'm leaning towards plasma. However, I'll likely want to connect a pc. Anyone know what the difference will be?
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ya plasma has a limited life..great picture thou!! lcd's are ok:) but!!..they go black allmost if you dont have the tv set pointed right at you...but if your allmost pointed at it they have a real nice picture.
for a big tv..i going to go for the old projection 1080i tv's..get a huge screen for the price..{ my cousin has a sony that looks amazing}and they dont wash out as bad when your lookin at them sideways anymore:)..i think there the best bang for the buck right now...900 bucks or so,you can get atleast 50 to 60inches of tv set..sure it dont set flat against the wall,,but if your not worried about room..there a good price right now:)
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I have to disagree hyena about the limited angle viewing. I think a Samsung 1080p LCD has the widest view. Plasma is close with dlp coming in a distant third.
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I have to disagree hyena about the limited angle viewing. I think a Samsung 1080p LCD has the widest view
my cousin has a brand new lcd over his bed..just got it a month ago 1080i..it washes out pretty bad if your not lookin right at it...he didnt like that about it when i asked him how he liked it..said it was great long as your right in front of it. im not sure on the brand..but he usualy doesnt buy cheap
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Originally posted by hyena426
my cousin has a brand new lcd over his bed..just got it a month ago 1080i..it washes out pretty bad if your not lookin right at it...he didnt like that about it when i asked him how he liked it..said it was great long as your right in front of it. im not sure on the brand..but he usualy doesnt buy cheap
There is a lot of difference between brands and models. Pays to compare.
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There is a lot of difference between brands and models. Pays to compare.
just going threw the store you have a good idea of what washes out and what doesnt..i have to say most of the lcd's dont look super hot till your infront..then there amazing..just like a computer lcd..they wash out bad too when your at a angle...but hey..im not saying there all like that,,just the ones i seen:P
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Originally posted by AKIron
I have to disagree hyena about the limited angle viewing. I think a Samsung 1080p LCD has the widest view. Plasma is close with dlp coming in a distant third.
Plasmas have a wider viewing angle.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Plasmas have a wider viewing angle.
Some do. If you haven't looked at the newest Samsung and Sony models you might be surprised.
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Originally posted by wrag
any opinions on Plasma TV's?
Please give your info here.
someone I know is thinking of getting one.
Wrag, there is NOTHING wrong with a plasma TV. Most will be "quick to point out about a life expectancy". They speak of the earlier plasmas. The current plasmas are equaled in life expectancy of the LCD's.
Plasmas have superior Black Levels, to the LCD's. LCD's even under the most optimum of settings will give you dark grey.
Plasmas are susceptible to "burn in", as is any other format. You just don't pause the XBOX, etc for long periods of time. The format bars on the sides will not burn in on the new one's either.
Plasmas are better in most situations because of the screen size. Most people try to shoe horn a 50" screen into a room, and do NOT allow them 12-14 feet of room to the viewing position. Sure, the TV is good, but if you don't take this into effect, it will look like chit. Trust me, I rip on one of my friends constantly about this when I go over to his home.
Stay away from Sony, they're quality issues right now are unacceptable. Panasonic's, LG's, Fujitsu's and Pioneer are your Top 4 brands in Plasmas.
I'm looking at a $1500 LG that has an amazing picture for the money.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Some do. If you haven't looked at the newest Samsung and Sony models you might be surprised.
I will never buy a Sony, I'm sorry. The XBRs will not have a better viewing angle than a plasma. This is by design.
Sony's have quality control issues by the truckload. They also are the "Reddest" pictures of the TV's. Panasonics have gone from 2nd in this catagory to out of the Top 5.
Home Theater is my hobby. I crave it, and digest it. My wife calls me a dork, I still absorb it.
Also, wrag, Consumers Reports does NOTHING, and will tell you NOTHING on "what TV to buy".
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Plasmas do look good and I'm not worried about life expectancy. I'm am concerned about how fuzzy a pc will look when connected.
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i allways looked to RCA and toshiba for tv's for some reason...lol..still got a old 36inch toshiba tube in my room..lol been a good tv for many years.
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Originally posted by wrag
any opinions on Plasma TV's?
Please give your info here.
someone I know is thinking of getting one.
I was turned off by the plasmas price and some of the other issues some have posted. It took me a few months to narrow it down with all the damn TVs out there but I ended up getting a 56" Samsung DLP in 1080p. I have not second guessed my purchase one time in the last 6 months.:aok
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If ya have a big room and no one will sit close it would be hard to beat the value of a large screen DLP.
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MUCH GRASS all
Will pass this info on as well :D
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Originally posted by morfiend
plasma has a limited life time,20,000 hours or so.It cant be refilled and when used up the TV is junk.
completely and utterly not true.
Plasma's have a rating to half brightness, this is the exact same thing that happens to the CRT television that we've all had in our living rooms for ages and ages now.
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To go on...
Plasma vs. LCD. Each technology has it's advantages and disadvantages... LCD has less burn in issues, also some plasmas react badly to altitude (not an issue unless you start getting up over 6000 feet and some are good above that). In general you will get a better picture with a plasma than an LCD and that is because Plasmas reproduce black levels much better than any of the LCD's on the market.
This is because of how the LCD panel creates it's picture. The LCD has a back light that is always on no matter what the picture on screen is doing, where as on a plasma display the individual phosphoric cells are simple not activated when black is required. If there is a lot of light in the room you can see more reflections typically on a plasma panel than LCD however there are plasmas these days that are shipping with an anti-glare coating or screen which should help. Also when looking @ plasmas ask about any anti-burn in features that are present on the models you are looking at. Just like CRT's plasmas can be prone to burn in, especially right out of the box while the phosphors are new. Try to avoid watching 4:3 content for long periods of time untill the TV breaks in a bit. All in all I think plasma offers a better product for the money. If you're looking @ different TV's in the shop before buying ask if you can see a standard definition feed. Just about everything looks good in Hi-Def but most signals are still standard def, and you will see a big difference in picture quality on these signals based on the on board processor.
As for DLP's they do offer a large picture @ a relatively low cost, but a couple things to keep in mind. Off access will not be as good so if you have family that like to all sit around the TV some probably won't get as good a image as others depending on the seating arrangement. Also in my experience DLP's have more issues because they have more moving parts. Not a large % but more than plasma or LCD I would say. finally the DLP is driven by a big high powered light bulb that WILL GO OUT eventually. Typically they will last hundreds of hours but it is inevitable that sooner or later it will pop on you. A replacement will cost you probably $400 - $600. The upside is that once you do replace the TV it will be effectively brand new. Budget for a replacement when you make the purchase because murphy will tell you that it will go out the saturday before the superbowl. :)
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Panasonic's, LG's, Fujitsu's and Pioneer are your Top 4 brands in Plasmas.
Sorry.. I get started on this stuff and I can't shut up. :)
These are all good brands.. I do not have any personal experience with LG or Pioneer but they have a good reputation. Panasonic and Samsung both make a solid product for the money. If you have the budget and want the best get Fujitsu, it blows away anything else I've seen on the market.
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Fujitsu at one time used Panasonic's glass for there plasmas they just used to use there own electronics behind it. Don't know if that is still true.
The differences i see in plasma and lcd are that lcd generate less power are lighter weight,
they do not show as much glare because of the matte finish on there screens they are also slower and blur images on very fast action.
plasma's are heavy and have glare. the glass on the front is known to crack if you bounce it around,
But look great have great blacks, are brighter in a dark room and do not blur because of action.
they both last about as long.
LCDs are getting more notice because Sony is advertising them to all the stores as better then plasmas,
Only reason is because they did not make there plasmas them selves and there suppler quit selling to them.
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I've been sore at Sony since the last Sony "home theatre" sound system I bought was crap. However, they have an LCD display that looks gorgeous.
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Here's the scoop on who make what for whom. Remember that a manufacturer will always try to ensure that their brand has tightest quality control.
NEC - Nec is a OEM manufacturer, The company's plan is to supply industrial unit under the NEC name and supply home units thru rebadges such as Marantz and RCA, Sony and Runco.
Panasonic - Makes the complete units, Supplies Toshiba, JVC, Fujitsu and more
Pioneer Plasma - Makes all of there own equipment and sells OEM to Sharp and Sony Note: The 5040 and 4340 HD multimedia box is made by Sharp Note : Pioneer Electronics now owns NEC and the Pioneer 424 EDTV unit is basically a NEC 42 rebadged
Fujitsu Plasma - Only makes their own 42 inch in partnership with Hitachi . 50 and 61 inch Fujitsu Plasmas are Panasonic and NEC but the 42 inch are their own. Note Hitachi plasma screens are identical to Fujitsu and cost thousands less, 55 Inch Fujitsu is same as Hitachi,
Sony Plasma tv - Makes their own boards and chips but uses Fujitsu/ Hitachi plasma screen glass for 42 inch, 42inch EDTV is NEC. 50 inch is a Pioneer 504 based unit
Hitachi - Owns 50% of plasma screen factory with Fujitsu. Makes own internal components. 42 Alis screens are Hitachi as is the New 55, 50 inch are Pioneer and 42 EDTV appears to be their own
Philips - Uses Fujitsu/ Hitachi glass screen and most internal components as well. However, Philips makes its own bezel with built in speakers.
LG / Zenith - Make their own glass in Korea
Samsung - Makes its own components in Korea
RCA/ Thompson - Partners with NEC to OEM its product. Just a NEC with a new bezel.
JVC - 50 inch is Panasonic, 42 is NEC
Toshiba - OEM from Panasonic.
Sharp - OEM product through Pioneer for 50" and 42 though they may make some internal component changes .
Runco - OEM 50" from Pioneer and 42" from NEC,
Marantz - OEM 42" plasma monitor from NEC.
Studio Experience use a Samsung panel but custom electronics
Viewsonic - OEM 50" plasma screen from Pioneer ( old 502 ). 55 is Hitachi
Sampo - 42v3 is old Fujitsu, 42v6 is Samsung Plasma,
Gateway: Units are rebranded Sampo
Norcent Units may be rebranded Sampo
Maxcent is a rebranded Sampo
Prima, SVA, Akai, and the hundreds of other no name plasma screens are all chinese made.
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Originally posted by Soulyss
As for DLP's they do offer a large picture @ a relatively low cost, but a couple things to keep in mind. Off access will not be as good so if you have family that like to all sit around the TV some probably won't get as good a image as others depending on the seating arrangement. Also in my experience DLP's have more issues because they have more moving parts. Not a large % but more than plasma or LCD I would say. finally the DLP is driven by a big high powered light bulb that WILL GO OUT eventually. Typically they will last hundreds of hours but it is inevitable that sooner or later it will pop on you. A replacement will cost you probably $400 - $600. The upside is that once you do replace the TV it will be effectively brand new. Budget for a replacement when you make the purchase because murphy will tell you that it will go out the saturday before the superbowl. :)
I wasnt impressed by the DLPs I first looked at. From what I understood my TV had the next generation of DLP. The bulb replacement for mine from Circuit City was right around $300 for the Samsung.( maybe more for other brands) The picture is great in regular digital and nothing but kick bellybutton in HD.
What exactly is considered off acess Soulyss? My picture is easy to see except at very severe angles. (Can you tell I like my TV?:D )
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What exactly is considered off acess Soulyss? My picture is easy to see except at very severe angles. (Can you tell I like my TV? )
hehe,,ya my cousins large screen sony has a great picture.dlp is like 60inch i think..i would love to have it in my house;) his has been hard worked for a few years and still looks bright and clean<~im allways taking dvd movies over there..lol i use to hear alot of bad about them..but the old one in are local bar been on for atleast 15 years all night and day and it still works..lol.its getting dull now..but heck its been abused every day.lol..i know bang for the buck im going for a dlp..huge screen...great picture...good anuff life for me:aok <~~wish i could afford a plasma thou...but for less than half the cost ill get twice as much screen with a dlp
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It's kinda like those who buy Sony, waste even more money with Bose.
Sony - Not worth the hassle. They have "good prices" because they sell crap.
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Sony - Not worth the hassle. They have "good prices" because they sell crap.
i dont know,.,.when it comes to dlp they are suposta be top gun..they have 3 chip dlp..most are only single chip..and from all the forums..everyone says the quality is great...im sure sony doesnt put the same workmanship into everything it makes.
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Originally posted by hyena426
my cousin has a brand new lcd over his bed..just got it a month ago 1080i..it washes out pretty bad if your not lookin right at it...he didnt like that about it when i asked him how he liked it..said it was great long as your right in front of it. im not sure on the brand..but he usualy doesnt buy cheap
He's gotta have a rear projection.
I've been eyeballing all of em pretty close over the last few days and have yet to see anything other then a dlp with angle viewing issues.
My plasma is rated at 60,000 hours. or 6 hours a day for 26 years
whichever comes first lol
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Originally posted by Soulyss
completely and utterly not true.
Plasma's have a rating to half brightness, this is the exact same thing that happens to the CRT television that we've all had in our living rooms for ages and ages now.
Lets not forget computer monitors too (remember the complaints about night time)
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42" Hitachi plasma, VERY satisfied with this set. most "info" people quote on plasma is dated, their life expectancy is on par with any other technology, and burn in is no longer a major concern.
IMO plasma sets look better than any LCD or DLP set out there.
NOT
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would have to agree that plasma is the best looking out there... friend replaced a bulb in his DLP tho at 3 years it was only $250
One thing to think about for all us who are used to "standard" screens.. widescreens are smaller... in most formats.. that huge 42" or 50" is about like watching an old 32" 4:3 tv.
I have a 60" mitsubisi 4:3 that, in most formats.. you would have to have an 80" widescreen to duplicate the size of the picture. even dvd's shown in widescreen on this tv have a picture as big as a 57" widescreen.
lazs
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IT's been awhile since I had a DLP in the office here Slash, it's possible that they've improved the off access viewing. The last one I saw was pretty restricted. The vertical access was more severe than the horizontal but also less of a concern in most living rooms where you're seated @ viewing height.
If anyone is in the market for a rear-pro DLP TV I would say see about getting one with an LED based light engine. The current generation LED based DLP's from Samsung have a far longer lamp life as wel as being a 3 chip design they do away with the color wheel which was the source of most the problem's we've had with DLP's in the past. Or look @ JVC and their DILA based sets, it's a LCOS (liquid crystal on silicon) style engine. Outstanding picture, easily the best picture I've seen on a rear-pro TV. We had the Pro model but I hear the consumer sets are very nice as well. Back when I last looked @ them they cost a little more than DLP but outstanding picture quality.
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Wrag,
I have 2 HD TVs, 1 Plazma and 1 LCD. Both have great HD pictures, but
the Plazma beats my LCD for standard pciture by far.
yes there is alot of HD content to watch out there but not
all your TV watching will be in HD. So id look @ the TVs in store
both in HD and standard viewing, and get the 1 with better
standard.
btw my LCD is 32" Samsung, and Plazma is 42" Panasonic
Whels