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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AWMac on June 27, 2007, 03:35:39 AM
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a34_1182897411
A Skateboard?
Would like to know who the ****** Cop is.
Dip Chit....
Mac
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When I get pulled over for a traffic violation, I have never been sucessful in telling the cop, "WTF did you pull me over for? I was just driving my car!"
I like to make decisions with more than just the word of one of the antagonists. The whole thing might have started with the first kid flipping off the cop for jollies. But we don't get to see the initial spark, only the cop's reaction.
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some people take their jobs just a little to seriously. regardless of what started the whole situation, the cop was way over the top dealing with kids. im thinkin any lawyer would have a field day with this.
NOT
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So you are a cop, and your supervisor says, "Kids have been skateboarding on the sidewalk where little old ladies are shopping for hats and produce and the little punks are harrasing the old folks. Skateboarding there is a violation of city ordinance and I want you to go out there and keep those brats from making the mayor's mother call me again."
You say, "Yes Sir" and go out to stop the kids from rolling into people on the sidewalk.
The first kid you try to stop says something crude and gets away but you get his buddy, the unlucky second in line. He immediatly thinks, "If Dave got away, I can too!" and begins to fight.
You wrestle him to the ground as you are trained to do to those who resist arrest, and then the video camera comes up with a bunch of punk kids appearing to try to interfere with your sworn duty.
I wonder if the video was planned to be there to document Officer Bob's reaction to punk kids pushing his buttons...
Naw... that scenario never happens....
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i didnt see any of the kids "interfereing " with the officer. they looked like they were just standing around asking what the deal was. then superman tries to be the hero and apprehend the degenerate, lo life, good for nothin menaces to society. as i said before, he was way over the top. if he cant handle a little mouth from some kids, maybe he needs to look into insurance sales or something.
NOT
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There comes a time when these lawless skateboarders must be stopped at all cost. Who knows when they might hinder or obstruct a public thoroughfare from
the rapist or bank robber just down the street trying to innocently go about his everyday business. Enough is enough. I think a nationwide skateboard ban is in order ............and also some revamping of the old running with scissors articles.
:D
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some cops are wacko, like tobbbbaco
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Originally posted by NOT
i didnt see any of the kids "interfereing " with the officer. they looked like they were just standing around asking what the deal was.
What happened during the edits?
When the cop wrestled the second kid to the ground, the camera operator approached the cop, within feet, and yelled at the cop "WTF is wrong with you? He was riding a skateboard!"
Not the best cooperative attitude I've seen.
I am just pointing out that there is more here than we see. The video is way out of context, and context might give us a completely different view as to what happened.
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See Rules #4, #5
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that officer should be commended for successfully herding cats. funny stuff that.
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Originally posted by mandingo
See Rules #4, #5
And you have the testimony of both sides... not just the video belonging to one side to decipher a complete picture of what happened.
Gotcha.
I bow to your clairvoyance and / or superior detective abilities.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
What happened during the edits?
When the cop wrestled the second kid to the ground, the camera operator approached the cop, within feet, and yelled at the cop "WTF is wrong with you? He was riding a skateboard!"
Not the best cooperative attitude I've seen.
I am just pointing out that there is more here than we see. The video is way out of context, and context might give us a completely different view as to what happened.
I agree. We never saw what started the whole thing.
Another point is the lack of respect. Even if you KNOW your not doing anything wrong, be respectful and you will avoid being physically handled by the cop and being charged with obstruction. However if the kids were skating on that sidewalk they were being a hazard to the shoppers going in and out of the stores.
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protect and serve.
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My take.
We dont know what initiated the fist kid being cuffed up.
Not quite sure what the cop wanted with the second kid that caused him to run.
dont know exactly what the deal was with the girl
but the cops actions were over the top.
Seems she might have said something he didnt like. Well thats just tough.
Freedom of speach and all that, in its purest form. Speaking out against the government is the priimary reason for that right.
Reguardless
No excuse to manhandle her.
The kid that jumped in,shouldnt have. we was clearly wrong.
That being said. If that were my girlfriend or wife. The reaction from me would probably have been far more severe.
I would have been wrong yes, absolutely. but nobody. I dont care who you are. Manhandles my woman.
Im guessing it was probably his girlfriend
Not quite sure what the deal was with the last kid other then the cop simply didnt like what he was hearing.
The second cop on the scene seemed far more in control of himself though
All in all as its been mentioned we dont know the whole story.
and I've seen confrontations similar to this a couple of different times where in one instance. The cop was without question over the top and went apechit just cause some kid asked "why?"
And in another his actions were justified IMO because a different kid decided to play hardarse with the cop.
This could have gone either way.
Again as its been said we dont know the whole story.
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I love how people call kids that skateboard "punks". I used to be a skateboarder and I did it to have fun and hang out with my friends, how is that being a punk? Would you rather them be out selling crack, or better yet stealing your car? I know from personal experience that skaters get harassed alot. I havent watched the whole film yet but the opening pic says it all. Unless that 13yr old kid bum ruched to cop with a knife he should not be choking him like that. That may have been how he was trained to restrain someone but theres a difference between a fully grown man and a young boy.
For why the second one ran. I can tell you if I just saw a cop wrestle and choke one of my friends for sakeboarding on a public sidewalk then come after me theres only two things I would do run or fight back, he ran.
Bottem line unless that kid was going after that "cop" with force he was over the top. Even if he gets sued or takin to court I can bet you he'll get something like two weeks paid suspension. I didnt watch it all I stoped when he had the girl and boy in headlocks. If I were one I those kids I would have when to jail for beating the living hell outa that overweight wanna be tough guy.
Edit: Watch the film again. The kid with the camera said "The cop just choked him and I got a picure of it". Then the cop all of the sudden he wants that kid.
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Okay, 0:34 seconds in, you can hear the cop say "I tell you to stop, you tell everybody to keep going?!"
That adds some context. The cop attempted to stop them, and they tried to run.
Like it or not, skateboarding ordnances exist because we have a lawsuit happy society. If little Jimmy fractures his skull because he tried to tail-slide a 9 foot rail, his parents can sue the city and win. That's a whole different topic for another day though.
The first kids "chokehold" is anything but. You hear no coughing, gagging, or spluttering. There's no gasp of breath when he lets him go. He had knee to belly control and could have very easily beat this kid senseless. He didn't bother with any of the other dozens (and far more painful) chokes or even a joint lock. He could've just mounted him, rolled him over, and then handcuffed him. He didn't do any of that. He actually took all of the pressure off of him and went back to verbal commands. You can tell from his leg positions and grips that the cop at least has a rudimentary grasp of grappling.
After he'd already ordered them to stop the first time, they're all resisting arrest with their non-compliance. That's why you don't argue with cops, even if it's something minor. The second kid, I can only speculate since I wasn't there... was probably part of the original group asked to stop, and beat cheeks away after he told the cop he had a picture. The girl tried to run when ordered to sit, and was detained for it. The fourth kid stepped into the officer after he detained the girl, and got himself arrested.
I'm willing to bet y'all if the kids hadn't acted like *******s and run to begin with, none of this would've happened. It's silly to act like this is some violent act of aggression on behalf of police against skateboarding kids. He told them to stop, they ran. Pretty simple.
And I don't even like the police. I've been detained and handcuffed on the hood of my car 4 times without ever once being arrested. Friends that tried to run.. well, they went to jail.
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HOW do you know he was choking him? He may have just been restraining him. If he was resisting BEFORE his buddies took the pic and started video taping then he deserved it.
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Originally posted by indy007
I've been detained and handcuffed on the hood of my car 4 times without ever once being arrested. Friends that tried to run.. well, they went to jail.
I'm sure you were VERY coperative those 4 times. One reason why people should be and maybe they can avoid incidents that get physical and end up with arrests and accusations.
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It was the "I got a picture" comment that got it really going, LEO's don't like that.
shamus
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Originally posted by mandingo
See Rules #4, #5
Pigs?
Real pillar of society you are. Real class act too.
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Originally posted by NOT
some people take their jobs just a little to seriously.
NOT
Yea, especially the new guys on the job.
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The list of ordinances they violated is substantial.
Skating on a public sidewalk.
Resisting arrest.
Flight to avoid prosecution.
Interfering with an officer.
Assaulting an officer.
Pretty stupid bunch of kids. A little courtesy and respect would have prevented the whole thing. Even if the officer detained one or more of them first, had they acted like intelligent individuals instead of a pack of punks, they probably could have all gone skating elsewhere and nothing would have happened. But they wanted to be punks, so they got to go to juvenile hall like punks. If MY kids had done it, they'd have gotten their tulips whipped when I got them home from juvenile hall, and Goodwill would have gotten a couple of skateboards.
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Originally posted by mandingo
See Rules #4, #5
Are you trying to be "Ironical"?
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Originally posted by indy007
Okay, 0:34 seconds in, you can hear the cop say "I tell you to stop, you tell everybody to keep going?!"
That adds some context. The cop attempted to stop them, and they tried to run.
Like it or not, skateboarding ordnances exist because we have a lawsuit happy society. If little Jimmy fractures his skull because he tried to tail-slide a 9 foot rail, his parents can sue the city and win. That's a whole different topic for another day though.
The first kids "chokehold" is anything but. You hear no coughing, gagging, or spluttering. There's no gasp of breath when he lets him go. He had knee to belly control and could have very easily beat this kid senseless. He didn't bother with any of the other dozens (and far more painful) chokes or even a joint lock. He could've just mounted him, rolled him over, and then handcuffed him. He didn't do any of that. He actually took all of the pressure off of him and went back to verbal commands. You can tell from his leg positions and grips that the cop at least has a rudimentary grasp of grappling.
After he'd already ordered them to stop the first time, they're all resisting arrest with their non-compliance. That's why you don't argue with cops, even if it's something minor. The second kid, I can only speculate since I wasn't there... was probably part of the original group asked to stop, and beat cheeks away after he told the cop he had a picture. The girl tried to run when ordered to sit, and was detained for it. The fourth kid stepped into the officer after he detained the girl, and got himself arrested.
I'm willing to bet y'all if the kids hadn't acted like *******s and run to begin with, none of this would've happened. It's silly to act like this is some violent act of aggression on behalf of police against skateboarding kids. He told them to stop, they ran. Pretty simple.
And I don't even like the police. I've been detained and handcuffed on the hood of my car 4 times without ever once being arrested. Friends that tried to run.. well, they went to jail.
You saved me a bunch of typing. Excellent post Indy.
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Every cop i've known is a power hungry control freak, and the opportunity to flex their authority, such as this one, probably gave that cop wood.
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Originally posted by jhookt
Every cop i've known is a power hungry control freak, and the opportunity to flex their authority, such as this one, probably gave that cop wood.
You must not know alot of cops then.
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Originally posted by jhookt
Every cop i've known is a power hungry control freak, and the opportunity to flex their authority, such as this one, probably gave that cop wood.
You don't know too many cops.
I was an average deputy, and 90% of them were just like me. Here's what I told people:
I don't WANT to arrest you, it's a lot of hassle, and a lot of paperwork.
I don't WANT to hit you, that's even more hassle and paperwork.
I sure as Hell don't WANT to shoot you.
I don't really WANT to write you a ticket. I don't like paperwork, and I don't like to go to court if I don't have to.
If I pull you over, just treat me like you'd like to be treated. When I ask you if you know why I pulled you over, if you know you were wrong, just tell me the truth. If you don't know, I'll tell you. We'll talk, and I may not even have to write you up.
If I detain you, please, just follow my instructions, and let's see if we can keep this from going bad, or at least getting worse.
I am a law enforcement officer, I do have authority. If I'm exercising that authority, it is because some one has done some thing to cause me to have to. I'd rather not. PLEASE, don't escalate the situation. I won't be any happier about it than you will.
At the end of the day, I want to be able to go home. I want to go through the office and smile. I don't want to have to fill out excess paperwork. I don't want to explain why I HAD to arrest someone. I'd rather explain how I was able to work it out and let them go.
You have no idea how easy it is, and how great a day it is when you don't have to go through all the hassle necessary when it becomes necessary to use hand cuffs, a baton, or a gun.
As bad as it is for you when I HAVE to pull you over, detain you, or come pick you up, multiply that by 3-4 times, and understand that I have to repeat the process. It's unpleasant for you once. It's unpleasant for me several times the same day.
The only time I see you, the honest, law abiding citizen, is when something has gone wrong in your life. We only see the worst side of your life. We all hate that.
If you are in trouble, PLEASE don't get stupid. MAYBE I can help you. Don't make it worse by doing something stupid to make me have to make it harder on you.
If the JUDGE issues a warrant for you, hitting me, cussing me, or spitting on me WON'T make the warrant go away. It won't make me go away. It'll only make everything worse. Then I can't even tell the judge you at least were co-operative. I can't tell the judge anything good about you, and he's going to ask. When I HAVE to tell him how bad you were, it won't help your case.
It's a job, most of us do it because we want to do the right thing. Just like you, the easier our job goes, the better we like it. Just like you don't want some chump to come to your job, make you do everything the hard way, and treat you like crap, we don't want it either.
Try to remember that some time. Especially when one of us doesn't get to go home to his or her family, because they got killed or maimed doing a job you can't, won't, or don't want to do.
I gave it up, because the department doesn't support you for political reasons sometimes, because my family couldn't live on the crappy salary, and because sometimes it just doesn't work out the way you want it to, no matter how hard you try to work with people.
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Originally posted by Tango
You must not know alot of cops then.
I would have to agree, this type of behavior is rare, I normally see it in the young guys.
By the time they become old guys they have matured or have been weeded out.
shamus
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Through my own experiences with law enforcement, from being a person of interest to just being a witness to what transpired, I've found that most police officers are more than willing to show respect when shown respect. In most cases they're also more than willing to get a full account of things when shown that respect instead of just hauling one off to get booked just because he has the authority. In most cases, if you show them the utmost respect and compliance (depending on what you did ofcourse) they'll often let you go with a warning or misdemeanor violation. If the officer is a raging harda** at least you won't get brutalized :D
Of course it's always your right to exercise you right of free speech and give the officer a hard time, just expect a hard time in return.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
If MY kids had done it, they'd have gotten their tulips whipped when I got them home from juvenile hall, and Goodwill would have gotten a couple of skateboards.
BS you would be sueing that cops bellybutton off. I know if I had kids and an adult had put his hands on them, cop or no cop I would have found him off duty and give him a peace of my mind AND fist, expesualy if I was the girls father.
NO adult has the right to put thier hands on a young kid like that. And yes when you put your hand around someones thought its choking. He may not have been puting all he had into it but its still over the top. A simple knee on the chest would have been enough (looking at his waist line it would have been more then enough) and hold one hand while your getting the cuffs. Once you got that hand cuffed twist the arm while standing up to get him to roll over. If he doesnt you twist more and he will. Again knee across the lower back while you get the other hand in.
Simple as that.
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Originally posted by Tango
I'm sure you were VERY coperative those 4 times. One reason why people should be and maybe they can avoid incidents that get physical and end up with arrests and accusations.
If by cooperative you mean making fun of them and otherwise being verbally beligerant, then yes. At least the first time. :confused:
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Originally posted by Larry
BS you would be sueing that cops bellybutton off. I know if I had kids and an adult had put his hands on them, cop or no cop I would have found him off duty and give him a peace of my mind AND fist, expesualy if I was the girls father.
NO adult has the right to put thier hands on a young kid like that. And yes when you put your hand around someones thought its choking. He may not have been puting all he had into it but its still over the top. A simple knee on the chest would have been enough (looking at his waist line it would have been more then enough) and hold one hand while your getting the cuffs. Once you got that hand cuffed twist the arm while standing up to get him to roll over. If he doesnt you twist more and he will. Again knee across the lower back while you get the other hand in.
Simple as that.
First off, I don't sue, not for things like that, so you don't know WTF you're talking about.
Second, I WAS a cop, and so was my Dad before he left this world. So I'd go sort it out with the cop. I guess I was raised a little different.
Third, the cop DOES have the right, you don't know what you're talking about (common theme with you).
Fourth, since I was trained on how to detain people I doubt you are going to teach me too many new techniques.
Fifth, if you are so stupid as to hunt down a cop who is off duty and assault him, PLEASE, let me know. I'll laugh heartily as they haul your stupid arrogant bellybutton off to jail, and then to prison.
Sixth, if you are that stupid, it's a good thing you don't have kids, and with any luck, at least good luck for your potential children and the rest of us, you won't multiply.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
You don't know too many cops.
I was an average deputy, and 90% of them were just like me. Here's what I told people:
I don't WANT to arrest you, it's a lot of hassle, and a lot of paperwork.
I don't WANT to hit you, that's even more hassle and paperwork.
I sure as Hell don't WANT to shoot you.
I don't really WANT to write you a ticket. I don't like paperwork, and I don't like to go to court if I don't have to.
If I pull you over, just treat me like you'd like to be treated. When I ask you if you know why I pulled you over, if you know you were wrong, just tell me the truth. If you don't know, I'll tell you. We'll talk, and I may not even have to write you up.
If I detain you, please, just follow my instructions, and let's see if we can keep this from going bad, or at least getting worse.
I am a law enforcement officer, I do have authority. If I'm exercising that authority, it is because some one has done some thing to cause me to have to. I'd rather not. PLEASE, don't escalate the situation. I won't be any happier about it than you will.
At the end of the day, I want to be able to go home. I want to go through the office and smile. I don't want to have to fill out excess paperwork. I don't want to explain why I HAD to arrest someone. I'd rather explain how I was able to work it out and let them go.
You have no idea how easy it is, and how great a day it is when you don't have to go through all the hassle necessary when it becomes necessary to use hand cuffs, a baton, or a gun.
As bad as it is for you when I HAVE to pull you over, detain you, or come pick you up, multiply that by 3-4 times, and understand that I have to repeat the process. It's unpleasant for you once. It's unpleasant for me several times the same day.
The only time I see you, the honest, law abiding citizen, is when something has gone wrong in your life. We only see the worst side of your life. We all hate that.
If you are in trouble, PLEASE don't get stupid. MAYBE I can help you. Don't make it worse by doing something stupid to make me have to make it harder on you.
If the JUDGE issues a warrant for you, hitting me, cussing me, or spitting on me WON'T make the warrant go away. It won't make me go away. It'll only make everything worse. Then I can't even tell the judge you at least were co-operative. I can't tell the judge anything good about you, and he's going to ask. When I HAVE to tell him how bad you were, it won't help your case.
It's a job, most of us do it because we want to do the right thing. Just like you, the easier our job goes, the better we like it. Just like you don't want some chump to come to your job, make you do everything the hard way, and treat you like crap, we don't want it either.
Try to remember that some time. Especially when one of us doesn't get to go home to his or her family, because they got killed or maimed doing a job you can't, won't, or don't want to do.
I gave it up, because the department doesn't support you for political reasons sometimes, because my family couldn't live on the crappy salary, and because sometimes it just doesn't work out the way you want it to, no matter how hard you try to work with people.
i guess if you say i don't know too many cops, than i don't right? the problem with your argument is that it is fundamentally biased. having been a former officer you feel that twinge to side with your brethren, or former brethren. which i totally understand, being a former marine. i have 2 uncles that are cops, 1 cousin and about 4 former neighbors who were/are involve with law enforcement in some way or another. and while i do care for them i can see the vicious streak in them when they tell stories of encounters on the streets. and in most instances i understand their fear for their personal safety. but watch the video again, and turn the sound off and tell me if you dont think that cop was acting a bit rash.
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I NEVER stand by a bad cop. NEVER. When I was on the force, if anyone got out of line, he was dealt with, and quite harshly.
I wouldn't expect you to stand by a bad Marine. So don't expect me to stand by a bad cop. Give him the benefit of doubt? Yeah, just like you. Cover for him? Never.
The kids continually escalated the situation. The fact that they kept on laughing shows two things. One, they're stupid. Two, evidently the cop wasn't too damned hard on anyone, they sure weren't co-operating like they were hurt and abused.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I NEVER stand by a bad cop. NEVER. When I was on the force, if anyone got out of line, he was dealt with, and quite harshly.
I wouldn't expect you to stand by a bad Marine. So don't expect me to stand by a bad cop. Give him the benefit of doubt? Yeah, just like you. Cover for him? Never.
so you would agree that his actions are too aggressive given the situation?
The kids continually escalated the situation. The fact that they kept on laughing shows two things. One, they're stupid. Two, evidently the cop wasn't too damned hard on anyone, they sure weren't co-operating like they were hurt and abused.
how so? cause they were being vocal? what about the crowd that formed after the actions taken by the officer? and given the situation was being escalated why did the second officer not act in the same fashion as the bald one?
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Originally posted by Larry
NO adult has the right to put thier hands on a young kid like that. And yes when you put your hand around someones thought its choking. He may not have been puting all he had into it but its still over the top. A simple knee on the chest would have been enough (looking at his waist line it would have been more then enough) and hold one hand while your getting the cuffs. Once you got that hand cuffed twist the arm while standing up to get him to roll over. If he doesnt you twist more and he will. Again knee across the lower back while you get the other hand in.
Simple as that.
Honest question, what's your grappling background?
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See Rule #7
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Captain Virgil Hilts has it right, 90% of the men/women in law enforcement are just looking to make it to the end of the shift without a significant event that might alter or end their lives.
We did not see the entire video, we don't know much about the initial violation that got the officer's attention. We do know that they tried to run,
that changes thing dramatically in an officers eyes. The first thing that goes thru your mind is do they have a weapon? Are they creating distance to get a shot off? Age is of no consequence to me when someone runs, they see and know that you are an officer, yet rather than yield they evade. An old hand once told me that if a violator runs from you or tries to fight you they are capable of trying to kill you, they have no respect for the law, and after eight years on the road I believe that.
I've been the lone guy in a crowd of hostile people before, in my instance trying to arrest a drunk driver at 3am. When I tried to stop him he ran a friends house where a party was going on. Long story short two went to the hospital, five went to jail. It is serious business, believe it or not some people will try to hurt you.
In my opinion the officer in the clip let the people that were harassing him carry on to far. You could hear the one kid getting louder and louder, braver and braver as the officer let him carry on. On the other hand all the threats the officer made were out of hand. Once you give a verbal order and the violator doesn’t comply you take action, swiftly and violently if need be. Once a person is under arrest there is no reason to continue to spar with them. Let them know what they are charged with, mirandize if you are going to question them. Otherwise let them run their mouth, it makes them look like a fool in court.
I'm not defending this guy by any means, but other than his mouth he wasn’t out of line.
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Suckers got what they deserved.
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ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
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ack-ack
Thank you, That was the most honest post in this thread.
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cop was out of control handling kids like they are some criminal after a high speed chase....Kid had a right to video tape
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
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ack-ack
Yes it is when you scream down the footpath whacking into people. Or ride down the middle of city streets ignoring road laws so that those in cars driving to the letter of the law almost kill you.
Personally, I hate boarders. If I see them on the road, I try to use them as hood ornaments. Once at a pedastrian crossing (lgihts) once tried to push past me as we got the green walk man, I ankle tapped the f***er as he threw his board down and he ended up face planting the concrete (did even have to try hard as he pushed me out of the way).
IMHO death sentence for skateboarders.
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
cop was out of control handling kids like they are some criminal after a high speed chase....Kid had a right to video tape
What would be your suggestion on how to handle mouthy kids who don't listen to instruction?
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just take the skateboards similar to the street racing law where they crush cars
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It's easier and less paperwork to just throw them in jail.
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Like others have said... we don't know what happened to initiate the contact with the officer... so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt there...
But when the kid with the cell phone picture ran and got away the officer seemed to take out his frustrations on those who remained... and that's not good IMHO.
From what we see in the tape, it does appear that he was more physical than required, but who knows... maybe there is more to the tape.
I dunno... the guy seems like a tool to me.
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Originally posted by Donzo
What would be your suggestion on how to handle mouthy kids who don't listen to instruction?
for starters, don't instigate the situation to the point where i as an officer would need to be kneeling on a 16y/o with my hand around his throat.
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Originally posted by jhookt
for starters, don't instigate the situation to the point where i as an officer would need to be kneeling on a 16y/o with my hand around his throat.
Yes, that would be advice for the mouthy disrespectful kids, right?
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
just take the skateboards similar to the street racing law where they crush cars
Not bad.
Being that these kids were prone to run and not listen to instruction, how would you propose the officer take the skateboards from the kids?
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
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ack-ack
especially at the skate park :aok
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Originally posted by jhookt
for starters, don't instigate the situation to the point where i as an officer would need to be kneeling on a 16y/o with my hand around his throat.
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Originally posted by jhookt
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Who should not instigate the situation to that point? The officer or the kids?
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Originally posted by Larry
BS you would be sueing that cops bellybutton off. I know if I had kids and an adult had put his hands on them, cop or no cop I would have found him off duty and give him a peace of my mind AND fist, expesualy if I was the girls father.
NO adult has the right to put thier hands on a young kid like that. And yes when you put your hand around someones thought its choking. He may not have been puting all he had into it but its still over the top. A simple knee on the chest would have been enough (looking at his waist line it would have been more then enough) and hold one hand while your getting the cuffs. Once you got that hand cuffed twist the arm while standing up to get him to roll over. If he doesnt you twist more and he will. Again knee across the lower back while you get the other hand in.
Simple as that.
Actually the police have the authority to do "put their hands on a young kid" like that. In a urination for distance contest, the cop always wins
These kids pushed the issue way past riding a piece of wood. He looked absurd doing it and I question his judgement, but officer friendly indeed had the legal authority to do everything he did.
The bruise the officer got chasing after the track star could earn that kid a felony charge, cops are very good at "milking" injuries because the benefits are great and it helps the case get filed.
After shift officer friendly will develop a limp that will fester into a painful "bone injury" requiring he take a week off, maybe 2...fully paid.. to see a Doc, go to physical therapy and sit around the house drinking beer while earning $42.70 per hr.
Meanwhile there's an injured on duty report, MD reports, the police report, photos, xrays, MRI's... lots of official paperwork documenting the officers suffering because of this reckless wood riding rouge... stuff the DA gets all excited about and decides to "send a message" to the unwashed skateboarding punk scoff-laws.
Of course the dept. media liaison will make sure pictures of the injured hero, along with a positive message TV news story warning of the "hidden dangers of skateboarding every parent needs to know only on ch 2 at 7PM".
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Originally posted by Donzo
Being that these kids were prone to run and not listen to instruction, how would you propose the officer take the skateboards from the kids?
Shoot the wheels off.
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the officer should not have instigated the situation to the point where he would be required to use physical force to detain the initial delinquent.
and instead of nitpicking why don't you weigh in with you opinion on whether you think the cops actions were severe or not
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Originally posted by jhookt
the officer should not have instigated the situation to the point where he would be required to use physical force to detain the initial delinquent.
and instead of nitpicking why don't you weigh in with you opinion on whether you think the cops actions were severe or not
If I say, "hey, stop."
You say, "Go go go!" and take off with your friends.
How the hell am I supposed to stop you in a manner that's not phsyical in some form?
I'm still of the opinion that that is not a choke. His arm is bent, and he's not postured to put down weight on his throat. It looks more like he's just holding him there. Just because the kid with the camera is yelling it's a choke, doesn't mean it is. How would he know anyway? He's not the one being pinned.
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in the video you can also see the cop grab the girl around the neck...he should have called for a female officer but cops will be cops:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by jhookt
the officer should not have instigated the situation to the point where he would be required to use physical force to detain the initial delinquent.
Did the officer instigate? Or did the youngsters fleeing the police and shouting obscenities at the officer instigate it?
I've had several run-ins with the police and have never gotten more than a ticket. It's amazing what showing respect towards people that put their lives on the line every day to keep your hide safe will do. People that walk around with a chip on their shoulder ready to fight officers that are "always out to get them" amazingly end up getting in trouble.
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Originally posted by indy007
If I say, "hey, stop."
You say, "Go go go!" and take off with your friends.
How the hell am I supposed to stop you in a manner that's not phsyical in some form?
I'm still of the opinion that that is not a choke. His arm is bent, and he's not postured to put down weight on his throat. It looks more like he's just holding him there. Just because the kid with the camera is yelling it's a choke, doesn't mean it is. How would he know anyway? He's not the one being pinned.
the cop's actions prior to where the video begins aren't available, so to assume all he said was stop, cant be supported by fact. and given the aggressive nature shown through out the film i suspect he said a bit more than " hey stop, you can't skate here due to city ordinance." but again it cant supported so who knows.
as for hi arm being bent and not being in a choking posture, i totally disagree. with an extreme weight advantage over the kid i am pretty sure he wouldn't have to apply too much pressure to make the kids face turn white.
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Originally posted by jhookt
the cop's actions prior to where the video begins aren't available, so to assume all he said was stop, cant be supported by fact. and given the aggressive nature shown through out the film i suspect he said a bit more than " hey stop, you can't skate here due to city ordinance." but again it cant supported so who knows.
True. I'll concede that. All any of us can do though is speculate because we weren't there. It's an equal leap in the other direction to assume he was violent before hand just because you saw him restraining somebody.
as for hi arm being bent and not being in a choking posture, i totally disagree. with an extreme weight advantage over the kid i am pretty sure he wouldn't have to apply too much pressure to make the kids face turn white. [/B]
I roll at a 100+ pound disadvantage pretty regularly (I'm only 145).. you'd be suprised how much pressure and angle matters. Oh, and people turn red when you choke them. Cherry red in under a second if it's a good choke.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
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ack-ack
Again, to attach Legality and Morality together is just foolish.
But as to this video? It's obviously biased against the police officer, and is probably edited so. Even then we do not know enough from the video to make ANY sort of judgement based off what happened.
Though we can make some good guesses. IF the skateboarders had video of the COP doing something egregiously wrong, we would have seen it.
But we don't.
Come to your own conclusion.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Yes it is when you scream down the footpath whacking into people. Or ride down the middle of city streets ignoring road laws so that those in cars driving to the letter of the law almost kill you.
Personally, I hate boarders. If I see them on the road, I try to use them as hood ornaments. Once at a pedastrian crossing (lgihts) once tried to push past me as we got the green walk man, I ankle tapped the f***er as he threw his board down and he ended up face planting the concrete (did even have to try hard as he pushed me out of the way).
IMHO death sentence for skateboarders.
I'm not one to go pushing past people like that, but if you would have done that to me you would have a truck imprint on your forehead.
I hate people with the holier than thou attitude.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
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ack-ack
Skate boarding on a public sidewalk where an ordinance forbids such is a crime. A lot of towns and cities have such and ordinance.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
The bruise the officer got chasing after the track star could earn that kid a felony charge, cops are very good at "milking" injuries because the benefits are great and it helps the case get filed.
Didn't he tell the girl he threw on the ground that he was going to add assault to the charges because he scrapped his knee while handcuffing her?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
in the video you can also see the cop grab the girl around the neck...he should have called for a female officer but cops will be cops:rolleyes:
Oh really?
So if a girl/woman has a gun pointed at a male officer...he should call for a female officer to handle the situation?
He did not search her.
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Originally posted by Donzo
Being that these kids were prone to run and not listen to instruction, how would you propose the officer take the skateboards from the kids?
Hollow points of course.
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
in the video you can also see the cop grab the girl around the neck...he should have called for a female officer but cops will be cops:rolleyes:
What only women cops can arrest women?
Sexist.
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Someone needs to write a Snipe-the-skateboards flash game.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
What only women cops can arrest women?
Sexist.
sometimes officers call for a female officer so they won't be accused of any kind of sexual assault charge
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Oops....Sorry about that Skuzzy.
Anyway, The reason the 1st kid got arrested was because he continued to commit the violation after the cop told him to stop. Then he didn't comply with the officer when he was being taken into custody.
These kids were not arrested for skateboarding...they were arrested for obstruction of justice and disorderly conduct.
If you continue to break the law after being told to stop....especially if it is right in front of the cop, you should expect to be arrested and taken into custody. If you resist arrest, even "passively" you should expect to be treated as a threat by the officer and not treated "nicely".
If your buddy is being arrested and you are told to stay back and don't...you should expect to be treated as if you are a threat to the officer and arrested.
Some skatboarders in my city pissed off the residents and business owners, who complained to the city council. The city council passed a law that effectively banned skateboarding on sidewalks, streets and in other public places....but the skaters still try to skate in these places, so the residents and business owners still call the PD and complain.
I could care less about skateboarders and where they want to skate, but when I am assigned a call to deal with them I have to handle it. If the skaters are cooperative they get a verbal warning. If then run, they get chased down and issued a summons. If they resist arrest....well, they end up wishing they hadn't.
I wonder what these kids would have done if the camera hadn't been there?
Originally posted by StuB
See Rule #7
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Most "nuisance calls" (i.e. noise violations, parking violations, skateboarding violations, etc...) are initiated by a citizen's complaint. Since these are not "violent" crimes, if the person committing the violation keeps on committing the violation in your (the cops) presence, you would just let them keep on committing the violation?
The kid was breaking the law. He was told to stop and did not. He was apparently told he was under arrest and did not willingly submit to it (i.e. by following the officers verbal commands...you know, "Turn around and place your hands behind your back"). So he went the hard way and got thrown to the ground and cuffed. In for a penny, in for a pound.
How would you have handled the situation without using "physical force"?
Would you just said "Oh, never mind." and walk away? How would that get the violators to stop breaking the law? How do you think the person who complained about it and took the time to call the police would feel about that?
Originally posted by jhookt
the officer should not have instigated the situation to the point where he would be required to use physical force to detain the initial delinquent.
and instead of nitpicking why don't you weigh in with you opinion on whether you think the cops actions were severe or not
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Originally posted by StuB
Most "nuisance calls" (i.e. noise violations, parking violations, skateboarding violations, etc...) are initiated by a citizen's complaint. Since these are not "violent" crimes, if the person committing the violation keeps on committing the violation in your (the cops) presence, you would just let them keep on committing the violation?
The kid was breaking the law. He was told to stop and did not. He was apparently told he was under arrest and did not willingly submit to it (i.e. by following the officers verbal commands...you know, "Turn around and place your hands behind your back"). So he went the hard way and got thrown to the ground and cuffed. In for a penny, in for a pound.
How would you have handled the situation without using "physical force"?
Would you just said "Oh, never mind." and walk away? How would that get the violators to stop breaking the law? How do you think the person who complained about it and took the time to call the police would feel about that?
Thank you...you saved me some typing :)
My thoughts exactly.
We did not see the entire incident. What I did hear in the video was the officer explaining to the kid that he told them to stop and they decided to run. Therefore he did what he had to do.
So, jhook, to answer your question, no I do not think that the officers' actions were severe.
As StuB asked....how would you have handled it?
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
in the video you can also see the cop grab the girl around the neck...he should have called for a female officer but cops will be cops:rolleyes:
Originally posted by RAIDER14
sometimes officers call for a female officer so they won't be accused of any kind of sexual assault charge
You go from "he should have" to "sometimes". Can you elaborate on those "sometimes"?
As I said, he did not search her (only restrained her) so calling for a female officer was not necessary IMO.
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You fellas know what's funny?
It was a sidewalk video like this that started the Rodney King Riots back in '92.
I'm sure you've all seen the Rodney King arrest vid. How many know the FULL story of the arrest?
Of the 90+ MPH car chase that started on the Interstate? With the CHP? When he Dove off into the city, evading arrest? How he was so high on PCP, he could'nt even be taken down by a TASER? How he would not comply with officers' demands?
However, due to selective editing of the footage, What should have been treated as a criminal drug user, endangering people's lives on the road, being succesfully arrested and incarcerated, turned into an Anti-LE race riot. Which caused quite a bit of property damage, and some lost lives.
All that the public will see is some little kid getting beat up by a big bad cop. That alone will change the outcome of any trial. Christ, that kids' lucky he didn't take a nightstick upside the head. Really, other than the verbal sideshow, The officer handled that just right. Also, i'd like to add: If that guy had asked for another unit to assist right away, that might have gone differently. More police might have kept the other kids, and the girl, from getting involved like they did.
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Originally posted by Larry
I love how people call kids that skateboard "punks". I used to be a skateboarder and I did it to have fun and hang out with my friends, how is that being a punk?
I was probably skateboarding long before you were, back when the wheels were made out of clay and the board was actually a piece of wood... you know from a tree.
Larry, as one who uttered the word punk before you took exception, I would like to point out the context in which it was said. I was laying out a hypothetical situation where a supervisor may have said,
Kids have been skateboarding on the sidewalk where little old ladies are shopping for hats and produce and the little punks are harrassing the old folks. Skateboarding there is a violation of city ordinance and I want you to go out there and keep those brats from making the mayor's mother call me again.
The hypothetical supervisor used the word punks about a group who was "harrassing the old folks"
It was a supposed possibility that assumed much, but could very well be true.
All we know about this is an edited video apparently posted by one of the skateboarders.
Saying that this is an unbiased source for truth is like getting your news from an unbiased source like Rush Limbaugh.
A few sources and some common sence would probably be more practical.
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The kids were confused by the over-the-top aggression of the officer. It's his own fault things escalated, because he didn't behave professionally. Embarrasing.
I find the hate in this thead towards skateboarding Midwestern kids hilarious.
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Originally posted by Engine
The kids were confused by the over-the-top aggression of the officer. It's his own fault things escalated, because he didn't behave professionally. Embarrasing.
I find the hate in this thead towards skateboarding Midwestern kids hilarious.
Arkansas is now the midwest?
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Originally posted by Engine
The kids were confused by the over-the-top aggression of the officer. It's his own fault things escalated, because he didn't behave professionally. Embarrasing.
I find the hate in this thead towards skateboarding Midwestern kids hilarious.
Hate? What hate? Expecting juveniles to obey the law and respect the police is hate?:rolleyes:
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Not once did ANY of the kids say.. Ok Officer....im sorry officer.... it wont happen again officer.
They showed no respect at all for authority, so they got what they had coming to them.
Hopefully it teaches them a lesson. In all seriousness, the kid that got "choked out", was up and walking around when the cop was chasing the other kid, so how bad was he REALLY hurt?
I agree with what Frodemk3 said above.
I took a nightstick across the ribs when i was 15, for acting the same way they were acting. You know what, i deserved it, and it made me a better man.
Lets all stop being such wussies. oh, and can't we all just get along.
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Personally I think alot of you guys are being too hard on this cop.
And cops in general.
Yes I know I ranted and raved about a couple of particular cops who broke the law 1 getting two people killed and I wanted to see treated as I would.
And I still stand by that rant. (Turns out they will be)
but this isnt that type of case.
I can understand why each of the first three were put to the ground.
The girl perhaps a little rougher then I thought was needed.
but het, she did resist.
The one who went right after her was indeed guilty of assaulting a police officer and obstruction. Though I cant say my reaction would have been any better. It probably wouldnt have been
The only one I dont agree with is the kid with the camera.
Sorry but speaking isnt an abstruction of justice.
Also part of the story we dont know.
If the kid was telling everyone to "go" when the cop was telling them to stop.
Did they try to get away? or did they stop?
My guess is they stopped.
Reason Im saying that is when kids run from cops. Typically only the ones that are actually caught stop. the rest just keep going. And its unlikely the one cop. managed to "catch" all 4 kids.
I've known and know alot of cops. and just like everyone else they come in all sorts.
Some are kicked back and dont do anything they dont have to.
Some just see it as a job and do their job. Others are the gung ho sort. Though those tend to be rookies
And yes there are others that would be better suited in jackboots and swastikas on their arms.
I've met and known all of these types
By and large most fall into the first two catagories. These are the two types that have been there a while
In talking to them. (im the inquisitive sort and ask them flat out questions)
The rookies are..Well rookies. Eventually they mellow out and if they dont. are often told to. I know one personally who told me they actually told him to knock it off with all the ticket writing LOL
Often the latter two. The real gung ho, and Nazi types (I refer to them as thugs cause thats basically what they are) are often viewed by the first two as AH's even in theor own dept and arent paricularly liked except by those of their own kind. And the first two only deal with them cause they have to.
Now all that being said. And to get back on topic.
The cop here in question seemed to me to probably be of the second variety.
They have a job. And they do the job
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Arkansas is now the midwest?
I am a product of the NYC educational system. On the plus side, trying not to step on empty crack vials on my way to 6th grade distracted me from becoming an evil skateboarding hooligan rapist.
The crack vials thing is actually true, but that disappeared in the mid 90s.
What I was mean is that the hatred for skateboarding kids in this thread sounds too much like people ranting about "them rapscallion kids and their newfangled ways". Sounds like there are more important issues to deal with, you know? Skateboarding itself isn't a bad thing... instead, it's reckless skateboarding which should be illegal. The angst is very amusing from some of the more conservative people in here who are willing to ban sidewalk skateboarding because of some bad kids, but fervently believe in "guns don't kill people, people kill people", and who oppose gun control laws.
I guess it's because I live in NYC, where I see more responsible skateboarders.
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Originally posted by Engine
The angst is very amusing from some of the more conservative people in here who are willing to ban sidewalk skateboarding because of some bad kids, but fervently believe in "guns don't kill people, people kill people", and who oppose gun control laws.
Skateboards don't run into people on the sidewalks, the people riding them do.
Be more respectful of other people AND the law and you won't have things like in that video happening to them.
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Originally posted by Tango
Skateboards don't run into people on the sidewalks, the people riding them do.
Be more respectful of other people AND the law and you won't have things like in that video happening to them.
Oh, like people on the sidewalk never run into each other. What makes the skateboard so special?
But please, keep this thread going. It's immensely entertaining to see how some people actually think.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Oh, like people on the sidewalk never run into each other. What makes the skateboard so special?
But please, keep this thread going. It's immensely entertaining to see how some people actually think.
LOL
When people run into each other on the sidewalk they usually say excuse me and go on about thier merry way. A skateboarder runs into them and its a good possibilty of someone getting bruised up or hurt even worse.
And your first statement shows how much thought you put into it.
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Originally posted by Engine
The kids were confused by the over-the-top aggression of the officer. It's his own fault things escalated, because he didn't behave professionally. Embarrasing.
I find the hate in this thead towards skateboarding Midwestern kids hilarious.
Can you please post the video of the beginning of the incident? I assume that you have it and/or have seen it in order to make such an assessment.
Please, share.
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what a moron cop
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Originally posted by Nilsen
what a moron cop
The one not doing anything at the end? Yes, I agree.
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I don't understand the hostilities some people have towards LEPs. I generally don't like too many LEP but I do know quite a few from my town. they hang out in front of my shop on a major artery to speed trap people. we have made gates for all of them at one time or another.
here's what I think.
1. they have a thankless job to perform.
2. they are underpaid.
3. they are far less likely to come home from work on any given day than I am.
4. they are cognisent of all of the above.
5. they show up for work anyway.
for that I am thankful and for the position they hold they have my respect at least at the professional level if not on a personal one. there are some whom I respect on all levels. kinda like any other segment of society, at the end of the day they are people who are part of my community.
even as a teen I showed respect for LEPs. every traffic citation I have received I have deserved. every time LE has been call to a location I have been at they needed to be there.
I was a skater and a surfer way back when also, when we were asked to leave a location, we did. part of the motivation was that back then they would have put us in the squad car, taken us to dad and watched the asswhipping while chuckling.
maybe that's the difference.
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Originally posted by storch
I was a skater and a surfer way back when also, when we were asked to leave a location, we did. part of the motivation was that back then they would have put us in the squad car, taken us to dad and watched the asswhipping while chuckling.
maybe that's the difference.
That is the problem with kids today. Parents don't do that anymore. They blame others and say "My child doesn't act that way".
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yer a wuss storch
back in my day we used do ollie kickflips over the cops and then rope them up the ramp and make them do faceplants on the bottom while we screamed "skate or die mother****er"
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Secret Agent Man!!!11
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Skateboarders are a menace.
Kid deserved it and probably wont ever turn out to be much.
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Originally posted by Tango
Be more respectful of other people AND the law and you won't have things like in that video happening to them.
Or if city's created more skateparks for kids to enjoy. As someone that has been skating for almost all my life, as long as there is a spot to skate legally, that's where the skaters will go. It's amazing how those cities that do have skateparks have a drop in skateboarding related vandalism. Just sayin'.
ack-ack
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#1 We did not see the beginning of the incident.
#2 We don't know the prior history of boarders in that particular area -- could be an escalation of previous problems.
#3 The FISHEYE camera lens, being held at CHEST LEVEL, and it's motion, also suggests a concealed camera carried inside something else.... definitely NOT a camera phone, and the lens does not suggest a typical camcorder......so this whole episode MAY be staged by the kids, or someone coaching them.
#4 The officer's reaction is tied to previous 2 points as to how justified or over the top it was. The kids were definitely in the wrong.
#5 Checking..... Checking...... NOPE.... I've no sympathy for the skater rats in this piece. I've seen the actions of too many of them in public areas before this to care at all about them.
Point number 3 is my biggest issue with this one though.
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Originally posted by Swager
Skateboarders are a menace.
Kid deserved it and probably wont ever turn out to be much.
wow :rolleyes: :lol
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Originally posted by Nilsen
yer a wuss storch
back in my day we used do ollie kickflips over the cops and then rope them up the ramp and make them do faceplants on the bottom while we screamed "skate or die mother****er"
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ROFLMFAO!!!
Nils, it's just your pirate blood!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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harrrrr :cool:
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ya who knows what really happend before the camera's started rolling..anyone can look bad after somthing happend to instigate the original contact..i know if a cop tells you to stop..you better stop!!.. when i was young and i had no chance to escape..you bet your bottom i stopped..lol..and told them yes sir and no sir..lol..i never got beaten..cause even if i was in the right i would not dispute the officer..heck i bet i could follow around cops to alot of places and film when they get some out of controll people , then just show the end result to make them look really bad...can anyone really trust this video?
so easy to get some one worked up...cops are only people too..only so many buttons you can push before they have to take action..atleast they didnt get pepper sprayed or hit with a club..lol..and with him being alone and having to deal with a mob of kids..im surpzied some one really didnt get hurt.
somtimes they use too much force. but who knows how many times these kids have pulled this and got away. and how many times were the cops out run by the same skateboarding kids and all we see is the end result. alot of things this video leaves out. i think its a little early to take anyones side...i bet money bystanders on the street did see it..and im sure if you went down to that street and talked to the shop owners..they would have a diffrent story to tell than what we seen on the video.
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These COPS , are out of control, and used way too much force ....
these bastards should be fired .....
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So you would prefer they carry around flowers and ask the punk kids to please play nice?
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Originally posted by CHECKERS
These COPS , are out of control, and used way too much force ....
these bastards should be fired .....
These cops HAVE to use force. It's obvious their parents aren't beating them anywhere near enough.
And I still think the kids are using a concealed minicam: fisheye lens, held a chest level most of the time, the motion...... it wasn't a cell phone, and it wasn't a typical camcorder they were using. That, plus the snapshot photo shown lead me to believe the kids were looking for a confrontation to film.
Too much about the backstory we don't know, but too much force? Sorry, the kids were not the innocents of this episode either.
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they were runing from a cop,..if you run from the cops when they say stop..they have the right to take you down with force..lol even if it seems excessive. its your falt for not stopping.
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Originally posted by hyena426
they were runing from a cop,..if you run from the cops when they say stop..they have the right to take you down with force..lol even if it seems excessive. its your falt for not stopping.
what if you walk away? How about a nice slow shuffle?
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Originally posted by tedrbr
These cops HAVE to use force. It's obvious their parents aren't beating them anywhere near enough.
And I still think the kids are using a concealed minicam: fisheye lens, held a chest level most of the time, the motion...... it wasn't a cell phone, and it wasn't a typical camcorder they were using. That, plus the snapshot photo shown lead me to believe the kids were looking for a confrontation to film.
Too much about the backstory we don't know, but too much force? Sorry, the kids were not the innocents of this episode either.
Fish eye lens shots are common in Skateboarding videos. So it's not kosher to assume it's a hidden cam.
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Give it two more years, they will be saying "stop or we open fire!"
Just another fat balding middle aged man acting out his jacked up behavior problems by taking the stance "i am teh law!"
Right, i gotta 357 with your name on it.
Frak pig's government owned and ran bullies with a paycheck, *** em' all.
Screw this nation, its "government" and the police.
To hell with em' all, same with your corperations.
The system.
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wow!!! who put a quarter into that jukebox?
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what if you walk away? How about a nice slow shuffle?
if a cop says stop...by the law..you are suposta stop!! not keep walking away..not shuffle...not run!!. lol i dont like cops abusing people my self..but it was hardly a rodney king beating there folks..lol alot of skaters on here or somthing? lol your acting like it was a vicious beating...when i clicked on the link..that is what i was expecting..lol i was expecting a cop beating the hell out of some kids with clubs or worse...what i seen was some out of controll kids not lising to a cop. what did they expect? he was going to be nice ?
sure he was worked up a bit..but he was out of breath..frustrated with people who are not obeying the law..nor are they stopping when he ordered them too. so you all are saying its ok to run from a cop{or even walk} when he says stop and not expect him to take action to stop you? lol good luck with that. lol
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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
Give it two more years, they will be saying "stop or we open fire!"
Just another fat balding middle aged man acting out his jacked up behavior problems by taking the stance "i am teh law!"
Right, i gotta 357 with your name on it.
Frak pig's government owned and ran bullies with a paycheck, *** em' all.
Screw this nation, its "government" and the police.
To hell with em' all, same with your corperations.
The system.
You don't live in Texas, do you?
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Can you believe everything you see on video???
Check this out:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/06/361512.shtml?discuss#263301
Granted, this person could be full of it. But there are aspects of the video that lead me to believe some (if not all) of what this eyewitness stated.
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ya....more to this video then we can see i bet. was just some kids pushin the limits and when the cop finaly had anuff they screamed bloody murder..lol they said the kids had 2 cams. but we only see the tail end of everything that happend on only one cam. i dont trust there video at all. if the eyewitness was right ,they desurved the treatment they got even if it was a tad harsh.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287835,00.html
Justice prevails.
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Originally posted by hyena426
they were runing from a cop,..if you run from the cops when they say stop..they have the right to take you down with force..lol even if it seems excessive. its your falt for not stopping.
Only question is if they were running from the cop.
How did one cop manage to catch all 4 youths?
As I stated before. Typically when a group of kids, or adults for that matter
Run from cops.
The only ones that stop are the ones that actually physically gets caught
Everyone else just keeps going.
The fact that the one cop all by himself. had all four kids there. makes it almost impossible for me to beleive they tried to run.
also just because the one kid said to run. Doesnt mean they all decided to run.
Which to me is a more likely scenareo.
The one kid said "run" the other kids not thinking it was a good idea decided not to.
Since he had no followers to run with him. he didnt either.
Or he did but didnt get far.
Either instance it pisses the cop off and we end up with what we see in the video
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Originally posted by Donzo
Can you believe everything you see on video???
Check this out:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/06/361512.shtml?discuss#263301
Granted, this person could be full of it. But there are aspects of the video that lead me to believe some (if not all) of what this eyewitness stated.
Some aspects seem to me to probably be exaggerated.
But. if he really was an Eyewitness it does shed some light into the probable true story and help to makes sense of it.
A Setup for the video for "skateboarders day".
This would explain to me how the cop managed to have all 4 there and not just the one he caught
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The officer has been cleared of any wrongdoing:
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/03/ap3880147.html
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
The officer has been cleared of any wrongdoing:
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/03/ap3880147.html
As I said, justice prevails.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
The officer has been cleared of any wrongdoing:
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/03/ap3880147.html
:aok
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And, this little bastard's next.
(http://www.rofl.name/owned/owned_cops.jpg)
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Originally posted by Larry
BS you would be sueing that cops bellybutton off. I know if I had kids and an adult had put his hands on them, cop or no cop I would have found him off duty and give him a peace of my mind AND fist, expesualy if I was the girls father.
NO adult has the right to put thier hands on a young kid like that. And yes when you put your hand around someones thought its choking. He may not have been puting all he had into it but its still over the top. A simple knee on the chest would have been enough (looking at his waist line it would have been more then enough) and hold one hand while your getting the cuffs. Once you got that hand cuffed twist the arm while standing up to get him to roll over. If he doesnt you twist more and he will. Again knee across the lower back while you get the other hand in.
Simple as that.
OH HELL NO! If the cop has to handle your kid like that, you are probably a failure as a parent.:o