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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: battel gnome94 on June 29, 2007, 06:57:59 PM
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This is just a genral thread just for fun so please no cursing and be nice if you have a pic of your fighter post it.
My fighter is the bf 109G-6 i cant get a pic right now but latter i well post one be nice and ahve fun.
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P-47 Is the best fighter in the game.
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-4 HOG is the best prop plane in the game.
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what fighter do you say is the best?
The one that I'm flying when I shoot people down.
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I really enjoy the P-51B
Its quick, fairly nimble and can hang with the Zekes, La7s and most of the Spits if you fly with careful flap control.
Having only 4 .50s means you realllllllyyy have to hammer away to get a kill. And with a small ammo loadout, accuracy is important.
Unlike most of the planes in the game...when I see a 51B driver landing some kills, I'm quick to that fella. Those are hard earned.
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yo do you have a pic of the -4 HOG because i dont know wat it is
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here is more on the bf 109G-6
This was the first production Fw 190A.
In production 2/43 - 6/44
Planes build 12000
Engine Daimler Benz DB605 (GM 1 and MW 50 extensively used)
Daimler Benz DB605AS (226 planes built, 460 converted)
Armament 2 X 13 mm MG 131
1 X 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon
Umrustbausatz U2 - GM 1 boost
U3 - MW 50 boost
U4 - 1 X 30 mm Mk 108 instead of MG 151/20 cannon, less than 1000 built
Rustsatze's R2 - ETC 50 VII d bomb rack for 4X 50 kg bomb.
R3 - Center fuselage rack for 1 X 300 liter droptank
R6 - 2 X MG 151/20 cannon pods
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P38G. Is there anything else? :)
Spit with two engines. Perfect for a dweeb like me:aok
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Spit 1 of course
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I second the Spit1.:D
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The one you land in :D
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C205 for furballing
190A-8 for B&Z fun
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La7
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For some reason im strictly Allied. Occasionaly ill fly the Komet or Arado.
My favorite Fighters are
P-38L
SpitXIV
P51B
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Am I the only other one besides GuppyJr that has a clue? Maybe you guys will finally get the clue one day and realize that there is no other plane than the P-38. The rest are just, well, for limp wristed girlie men.
ack-ack
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Real men fly single engine fighters. No need for the crutch of 2 engines. :p :D
Frodo
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Since I've never seen a bomber formation I didn't want to attack, the best plane has to be the Yak9-T :aok
My best K/D ratio was in a -T (6 to 1)
Magoo
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P40E - Fun to fly and tougher than a boiled owl.
2nd place goes to the TBM for versatility
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190A8 There is no substitute.
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P-38.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
-4 HOG is the best prop plane in the game.
Correct. The F4U-4 is clearly the best prop fighter in the game.
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Ki-84.
C.205 follows.
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Dont listen to Dan, the 38G aka "Stevie Wonder Special" is not a good plane simply because its OD. :D
The only plane to fly is the 38J or 38L. Both are fast and can take any plane thrown at it. Only plane that can give a 38 pilot a tough time is a good 109 pilot or a good hog pilot. Also you got 2 of everything on a 38 so if you take damage you always got a spare. That gun package on the 38 is one of the best in the game with 2000 rounds of 50 cal and 150 rounds of 20mm. The fuel on the 38 is good as well with full tank of gas can get about 35 minutes. A well flown 38 pilot is a tough challenge for any plane.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Am I the only other one besides GuppyJr that has a clue? Maybe you guys will finally get the clue one day and realize that there is no other plane than the P-38. The rest are just, well, for limp wristed girlie men.
ack-ack
What are you saying? :huh
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Dont listen to Dan, the 38G aka "Stevie Wonder Special" is not a good plane simply because its OD. :D
The only plane to fly is the 38J or 38L. Both are fast and can take any plane thrown at it. Only plane that can give a 38 pilot a tough time is a good 109 pilot or a good hog pilot. Also you got 2 of everything on a 38 so if you take damage you always got a spare. That gun package on the 38 is one of the best in the game with 2000 rounds of 50 cal and 150 rounds of 20mm. The fuel on the 38 is good as well with full tank of gas can get about 35 minutes. A well flown 38 pilot is a tough challenge for any plane.
U ARE EXCATLY RIGHT.
RIDE ON
(http://www.kelleycows.com/images/p38.jpg)
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all of them if flown right
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the 38s are ahead by a nose:rofl
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well there are 3 that I have in mind the first one is the P-38J because it has the firepower and speed but too wide of a canopy easy pilot wounds. the nexta irplane I would have to use is the P-51D because it is a great defence fughter it an withstand a lot of bullets and it gives them back but my alltime favorite fighter has got to be the 190A-8 it is capable of killing taks and easily taking wing off other fighters it handels the best at high speed wich it can out turn alot of fighter at 350+ that I belive is the bes fighter
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Best Fighter Plane? :huh No such thing.
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If you have to ask then there is no point in telling you the answer - it wouldn't do you any good.
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list goes as follows:
p51d
p51b-c205
fw190a5-tempest (tie)
p38g - p47d40 its a tie
190f and k4
typhoon
btw yes i fly my d pony like guppy his 38, almost always under the furball , be a man.
freezman
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Stripping fanboism from it and looking at it objectively, the F4U-4 is clearly the best prop fighter in AH.
My personal favorites, which are by no means the best in the game but are just the ones I like to fly, are as follows (in alphapetical order):
A6M5b
Ki-84-Ia
Mosquito Mk VI
Spitfire Mk VIII
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Kung-Fu fighters of course
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Originally posted by battel gnome94
yo do you have a pic of the -4 HOG because i dont know wat it is
it looks like an F4U-1D,but it has a more powerfull engine.
(http://www.compass.dircon.co.uk/corsair_68.jpg)
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i like the P51D and P51B my self.
P51D:
(http://eaw.free.fr/JEFF/IMG/P51DOldCrowV1.jpg)
P51B:
(http://www.warbirdphotos.net/aviapix/Fighters/P51/p51b.jpg)
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Originally posted by TwinBoom
all of them if flown right
correct
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-4 Corsair , best prop plane in the game.
BUT , if my bellybutton was in the sky for real , P-51-D , so I could run away in my urine soaked flightsuit.:lol
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Real men fly single engine fighters. No need for the crutch of 2 engines.
you are complitly right. :aok
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Originally posted by LePaul
I really enjoy the P-51B
Its quick, fairly nimble and can hang with the Zekes, La7s and most of the Spits if you fly with careful flap control.
Having only 4 .50s means you realllllllyyy have to hammer away to get a kill. And with a small ammo loadout, accuracy is important.
Word.
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Just curious. I dont fly much being blind as a bat and having reflexes as sharp as a sloth . Why is there not much mention here for the Tempest. ?? Is it because its not really a dog fighter...like I said...just curious
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Originally posted by jamesdeanoo7
Just curious. I dont fly much being blind as a bat and having reflexes as sharp as a sloth . Why is there not much mention here for the Tempest. ?? Is it because its not really a dog fighter...like I said...just curious
Because the Tempest is not the best prop fighter. Both the F4U-4 and La-7 gobble it up in a 1v1 duel.
The Tempest has great low-level speed and four Hispano cannons. Climb is excellent down low, but drops off to just so-so as it climbs higher. Average to below average ailerons, average turning circle, when light. It depends upon hit and run rather than saddle-up fighting. It's the premier cherry-picker...
However, meeting the F4U-4 or La-7 Co-E and Co-Alt means fleeing for your life or getting shot to pieces in short order.
Naturally, this assumes equal pilots.
Now if we were compiling a list of the top 10 fighters, it would be in that group.
My regards,
Widewing
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F4U-4 hands-down is the best prop fighter in the game.
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Chuck Norris
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Originally posted by KONG1
Chuck Norris
Agreed.
Chuck in a p40b, eat your heart out ben.
He woulda jumped plane to plane kung fu fighting the japanese man to man.
only to safely parachute to the ground and try to sell a excercise machine to the chinese.
Screw you all, he is the win.
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Nichols Cage :noid
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Originally posted by Husky01
Nichols Cage :noid
quah
We all know that it depends on who is flying the bird. But a fun plane to start out with is the P-51D but i perfer the P-47D40
-Jokester
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I fly quite a few planes but the one I always go back to is a Jug.
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start w/ a radial engine..add some blue paint...the rest happens at the north end of the joystick:aok
but a good cupholder doesn't hurt either:D
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The best cartoon plane in this game is the one flown consistently.
With a computer that has a consistent 80+ frame rate, track Ir,Ch flight gear and a dedicated T1 line. It could be anything in that case.:lol
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Originally posted by UNIstrut
I fly quite a few planes but the one I always go back to is a Jug.
I always end up going back to the bottle myself.
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not one mention of the hurri 2c
which for me is the best fighter by far
i kill every thing in it
especially those 38's :D
actually i think its the pilots that matter
i have out turned a zero in a p40
and had a 38 out turn my hurri(allthough that was a long time ago and i didn't know what the hell i was doing)
oh wait that's the pilot
didnt i say that already.
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A-20:):aok ....
It's to big, to slow and isnt really very hard to shoot down and isnt even really a fighter...but its a hoot to fly and you can make 95% of the arena work for its supper (and the other 5% doesnt care what your in anyway:)...
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lmao at xargos preaching to the choir eh?:lol :p
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The best fighter in my opinion is none other than the FM-2
I also really like the Bf 109E-4 as well as the Spit V
They're all really great turn fighters
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As mentioned before...the F4U-4 is the best prop driven fighter in th game IMO. However, if I was in real combat in WW2 and got my choice of which aircraft I wanted to fly, it would be the P-47, hands down.
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P 38G, P 38J, P 38L hmmm think thats it.
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All hail the P-40! All variants!
**Brought to you by the CBPAH (Commitee to Bring the P-40N to Aces High)**
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Originally posted by Pawz
P 38G, P 38J, P 38L hmmm think thats it.
:rofl
The L version is the best
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The best fighter in the game is the one that just killed me. BTW, the best pilot in the game was flying it. :D
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Am I the only other one besides GuppyJr that has a clue? Maybe you guys will finally get the clue one day and realize that there is no other plane than the P-38. The rest are just, well, for limp wristed girlie men.
ack-ack
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Adolf was good at tooting his own horn too :)
I'd be curious as to what 38s he came up against?
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Ya know, it doenst really matter what plane your in, just who is the most stupid.
You or the guy your pursuing.
Or the guy pursuing you.
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Be Nice?
Kidding, right?
Umpossible!
I like flying all of them. It is way too early for me to say which is best. And what qualifies this? One week in a plane? Or one month, six months, one year, six years in a particular plane to get a proper feel for it in ALL situations.
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Originally posted by ForrestS
:rofl
The L version is the best
well the J can out turn the L and the Gcan out turn the J so....it's the piolts prefence.
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I for one like the Spit 9. I've had countless edge of my seat fights with other spit 9 drivers and When two are flown on the edge its just beautiful.
Its like the English gentleman's ride who sports a handlebar moustache.
Not the fastest, Not the best armed, Not the best at rolling, Not the best at turning, Not the best at climbing, Fragile and delicate to fly but
Will kill you in a heartbeat.
Bruv
~S~
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J in OD D-Day stripes
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z39/clerick44/powned.jpg)
:aok
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
well the J can out turn the L and the Gcan out turn the J so....it's the piolts prefence.
Yes the G can outturn the J and the L but between the J and the L is too close and has to be based on the pilot's skill.
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Originally posted by ForrestS
:rofl
The L version is the best
And how would you know squeaker?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
well the J can out turn the L and the Gcan out turn the J so....it's the piolts prefence.
It all depends on who's flying which plane. For example, if I was to run across you flying a J and I'm in the L, I'll easily out turn you all day long.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by FiLtH
P40E - Fun to fly and tougher than a boiled owl.
2nd place goes to the TBM for versatility
Filth spanked me in a TBM in the AvA the other night. It was not a pleasant experience. I was in a Niki.
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Originally posted by Bruv119
I for one like the Spit 9. I've had countless edge of my seat fights with other spit 9 drivers and When two are flown on the edge its just beautiful.
Its like the English gentleman's ride who sports a handlebar moustache.
Not the fastest, Not the best armed, Not the best at rolling, Not the best at turning, Not the best at climbing, Fragile and delicate to fly but
Will kill you in a heartbeat.
Bruv
~S~
I really love the Spit IX too. I think it handles the best of all the Spits, and the only downside is the .303 package, but with the sheer amount of bullets you get, you can usually work around it.
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Obviously, the F4U-4 is the best plane in the game.
For those times wehn it seems to be a bit of an overkill, or if your perk-bank is a little light, the F4U-1A is supreme.
Lifting from semi-capped fields? Wingtank fuel a hindrance? Then the F4U-1D is the ride for you! Load it light (50%) with DT.
Is the air full of bombers? Or does the fight resemble a feeding frenzy on confused minnows? Then you need to be in the F4U-1C.
Want to kill the eveil red dudes in style? Slay them in an F4U-1.
The corsairs are fast enough to dictate the fight, but turn well enough to get down and dirty. Anything fast enough to catch you should know better- they should really be using that speed to RTB!
Sure, there are other rids in the MA, but who would really want to use those ugly things when the gorgeous F4U's are right there in the hanger?
MtnMan
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For folks here who have flown the La 7 a bit and yet would not pick it as the best non-perk plane, why is that? Is it not that great at turning in practice? It seems like it can outturn any plane that can catch it and can outrun any plane that can outturn it, with enough margin (outturning *and* outrunning many planes) to make it a great aircraft.
I have hardly ever flown it, though, so I can't say what it's like based on flying experience. It just seems based on its stats that it would be a contender for best non-perk plane. (Well, best non-perk plane at mid-to-low alt, say -- there are other aircraft that start to become dominant if the fight is at 25-30k.)
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Good question, Brooke.
I've flown a handful of sorties in it just to get a sense for what all the hype is, and got thoroughly spanked in it, while trying to get a handle on just what makes it so popular. Other than a bit more than usual acceleration to break out of the turn fight and get some seperation before your opponent comes around on you, I didn't find any obvious advantages. It appears on the charts as though it should be significantly faster than the other aircraft, but didn't seem to be when I tried it out.
Handling the LA 1v1 in my plane of choice has never really been too much of a problem, as long as I start flying against him before he's D6 off my six. It's the Yak that give me the most trouble, on average, in the Banshee Wail - seeming to do everything I can do and better.
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Il ike the F6F follwed by the F4U-4 and 47
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I don't like flying the La-7. Everyone HO's me when I fly it. I don't know why.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It all depends on who's flying which plane. For example, if I was to run across you flying a J and I'm in the L, I'll easily out turn you all day long.
ack-ack
I agree. There's little to choose between the L and the J, other than the J has better skins.... ;)
Murdr and I have dueled in P-38s, with Murdr in a J model and me in the L model. There was virtually no difference in the aircraft and the fight was a literally a draw. Ultimately, fuel weight will make a difference more than any other aircraft related factor.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
I agree. There's little to choose between the L and the J, other than the J has better skins.... ;)
Widewing
I beg to challange that statement. Its all about the bare metal L skins. :D
The L does have its dive flaps but I still think the J is a bit faster.
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Originally posted by Brooke
For folks here who have flown the La 7 a bit and yet would not pick it as the best non-perk plane, why is that? Is it not that great at turning in practice? It seems like it can outturn any plane that can catch it and can outrun any plane that can outturn it, with enough margin (outturning *and* outrunning many planes) to make it a great aircraft.
The F4U-4 out turns the La7 with ease and is only a tick slower. Unless the La7 pilot is considerably better than the F4U-4 pilot, the La7 has no options other than to run, and even then he better already be out of gun range because the gap will grow very slowly.
The only minor faults of the F4U-4 are short internal fuel range and average gun lethality, other than that its hard to beat.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Yes the G can outturn the J and the L but between the J and the L is too close and has to be based on the pilot's skill.
It matters if you use flaps or not. :D
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Umpossible!
umpossible come on what are you from the simpsons.
btw its unpossible
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i mean inpossible
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are you sure you don't mean impossible?
As in, "It's impossible that you have any sort of brains."
ack-ack
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I love my Zeke
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
-4 HOG is the best prop plane in the game.
Yup!:aok
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im stuck between the -4 hog the tempest, the spit16 for best in game
my personals faves are the :spitv-/ -1a /-1 /-4 hogs/ p51D/
the reasons for the -4 hog are mentiond. the tempest- incredible speed and acceleration, massive firepower and great views for snapshots.
The spit16 seems to roll like a 190, turn like a spit8, catch mustangs, and hold in the vert like a k4. Its deadlly in the right hands.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
P38G. Is there anything else? :)
Spit with two engines. Perfect for a dweeb like me:aok
2nded...love the G...
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These are my top ten planes:
1) F4U-4
2) F6F
3) P-38 (G, J, or L)
4) P-51D
5) F4U-1A
6) Spit9 (pink :D )
7) P-47D11
8) N1K2-J
9) F4U-1C
10) Fw-190D9
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Oh Wait!!!!!!
Did I forget to mention the Hurri1?!?!?!?:t
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F4U-4 is the best prop in the game
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The zero. :aok
And maybe the Spit5 under that.
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what fighter do you say is the best?
ROCKY
(http://www.sports-photos.com/catalog/images/RockyMarciano3BW.tif.jpg)
:D :D :D
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most of the time people try to ram me head on so i use the mosquito i know its not a fighter but with all those guns on it any head on collisions could easily be avoided by a squez of a triger :noid
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P-47, and FM-2 r best fighters in game
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Ki-61
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hurri 2 is my favorite you can outurn almost anything if you have the skill the downside is its slower then snot in december:( My second favorite is the a20 I love hearing peoples reaction when theyre shot down in there 38s by 1 :aok :rofl
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Originally posted by rednex21
Oh Wait!!!!!!
Did I forget to mention the Hurri1?!?!?!?:t
That lil plane can surprise alot of players, especially Zero pilots who are relying too much on their turning ability:
"Enemy on my six? No problem I will just outturn him... WTF? He's still there? pingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingBOOM
Lusche
(who most dweebishly finished this tour with 300 kills in Hurri I :p )
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Originally posted by Lusche
That lil plane can surprise alot of players, especially Zero pilots who are relying too much on their turning ability:
"Enemy on my six? No problem I will just outturn him... WTF? He's still there? pingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingBOOM
Lusche
(who most dweebishly finished this tour with 300 kills in Hurri I :p )
Lusche i bet your perk count is screwed up you get perks form hurri 1 only to blow em on 262s and 163s :p
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The best fighter in the game is the one you enjoy flying the most :aok
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Originally posted by evenhaim
Lusche i bet your perk count is screwed up you get perks form hurri 1 only to blow em on 262s and 163s :p
Actually if I would relaly need to farm perks, I would take a 109F or 190A8. You kill much easier & faster than in a Hurri I and still get 75% of the perk value.
In a Hurri I, you battle both the enemy as well as your own side's fighters, which just buzz past your 260mph plane to kill that enemy you are finally about to catch ;)
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(http://www.luchtoorlog.be/img/me109g/k2.jpg)
:D
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Originally posted by Platano
(http://www.luchtoorlog.be/img/me109g/k2.jpg)
:D
loser:D
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(http://www.adlertag.de/bilder/bf109g10r2.jpg)
Have always been partial to the 10 :aok
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I like the G14 and A8 the most, but they are hardly "the best".
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Originally posted by Platano
(http://www.luchtoorlog.be/img/me109g/k2.jpg)
:D
Finally someone mentions the best plane in the game.
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Originally posted by cobrasdh
hurri 2 is my favorite you can outurn almost anything if you have the skill the downside is its slower then snot in december:( My second favorite is the a20 I love hearing peoples reaction when theyre shot down in there 38s by 1 :aok :rofl
see there is certain planes that require no skill to fly, i belive hurri is 1 of em, prolly the planes that take most skill to fly is the
P-47
P-40
Fm-2
190s ( very hard to learn to fly)
and P-38 (Rocky is the master of 38s)
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Originally posted by redman555
see there is certain planes that require no skill to fly, i belive hurri is 1 of em
:huh
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Redman seems to think that only BnZ is hard. Well, other than the FM2. Apparently the FM2 is hard for some reason, but, IIRC, he has claimed the A6M2 is easymode.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I like the G14 and A8 the most, but they are hardly "the best".
thread says what fighter do you say teh best....:D :D
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Originally posted by redman555
see there is certain planes that require no skill to fly, i belive hurri is 1 of em, prolly the planes that take most skill to fly is the
P-47
P-40
Fm-2
190s ( very hard to learn to fly)
and P-38 (Rocky is the master of 38s)
I really hate to burst your bubble but every plane requires skill in order to be successful in. You'll catch on eventually.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I really hate to burst your bubble but every plane requires skill in order to be successful in. You'll catch on eventually.
ack-ack
lol akak, for redman=(calls darwin) whens that natural selection thing gonna start?
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Originally posted by redman555
see there is certain planes that require no skill to fly, i belive hurri is 1 of em,
What?! Anytime you wanna duel me in hurry 1's "because they are easy to fly", lemme know.
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Originally posted by redman555
see there is certain planes that require no skill to fly, i belive hurri is 1 of em, prolly the planes that take most skill to fly is the
P-47
P-40
Fm-2
190s ( very hard to learn to fly)
and P-38 (Rocky is the master of 38s)
The Hurricane's are although easy to fly but requires a lot of skill to E fight properly.
The P-47 yes its a hard plane to dogfight with.
The P-40 in my opinion is very easy to dogfight with.
The FM-2 is also one of those planes that is also quite easy to dogfight with.
The 190's are very hard to dogfight with. But with its superior rollrate it can turn heads as they fly right by.
The P-38 in my opinion is one of those planes that is very easy to dogfight with. But very very hard to master.
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Gee, from reading all the posts you would think nobody liked the Spit XVI. Must be most of the MA players dont post here? ;)
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Originally posted by redman555
see there is certain planes that require no skill to fly, i belive hurri is 1 of em, prolly the planes that take most skill to fly is the
P-47
P-40
Fm-2
190s ( very hard to learn to fly)
and P-38 (Rocky is the master of 38s)
Hurri is deffinetly one of em
and i agree with your list EXCEPT for the Fm-2
FM2 is slow and shoot rubber bullets but boy, use it right and it can outturn almost anything
My primarys are
f4u (usually 1c)
p47d-25
bf109f-4
and my favorite of all
the p38 :]
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spit VIII
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Originally posted by Brooke
For folks here who have flown the La 7 a bit and yet would not pick it as the best non-perk plane, why is that?
As a very average stick who flies the La7 alot I can comment with out the "experten" tag.
Sub 10K
Of course its always the pilot that makes the real difference but if I am approaching combat (in an La7) roughly co-e then the F4u-4 and the Tempest are the ones I am particularly wary of.....which is fun because one looks like any other hog and the other like a typhie until your up close.
N1K2's, SpitXVI's and SpitXIV's are fun fights starting co-e well matched to a co-e La7 IMO. Of course other La7's.
SpitIX's and Spit VIII's can be fun but often play out to a draw or end with a lucky snap shot if both planes are flown with equal ability. Basically letting one of these sap you to a low e turn fight is dumb....your just hoping the other player has limited skill.
Stuff I really dont like above me is typically Spits in particular SpitIX's and SpitVIII's, N1K2's with an e advantage control the fight unless I can get some sort of reversal (and if I do its a pilot thing not an ac thing). But then any thing above you can be dangerous given the pilot has even the same skill as you.
10K-15K
Loads of stuff gets interesting here. The Tempest and the F4u-4 even more so.
But there are quite a plethora of AC that come under the "well matched" heading in this alt range.
15k+
What are you nuts? Yes i have had some fun fights up here but not because the planes are well matched.
Having said all that 1 v1's are rare and alot of what happens in the MA is # v # of some mix or another, never or very rarely co-e.
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The Hurricane? Under-rated I think. A Hurricane in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing is trouble.
I start shooting at them when they are 1,000 away if the angle is right. Because if they get to 600 away from bombers you have a real problem starting. If they get to 400 then its over. And tough? Boy they are tough!
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Been a lot of talk about the F4U4 being the best prop plane in the game. I don't know, I upped it for a couple runs last night to see what the fuss was all about.
I found it handles well at high speed, gets up there real quick in a dive and holds E well. Acceleration wasn't bad in level flight but not stellar. Other than that...... I think I need to fly it more to really get a feel for the plane but my first impressions were not that great.
I find the Spit XIV has many of the same qualities with a better gun package, it climbs better and acceleration is outstanding. Does not handle as well at high speeds as the F4U4 though.
Compared to the Tempest.... Not sure there is a comparison? Tempest does everything better than the F4U4 except again for the high speed handling. I think the only other plane which might be comparable at high speeds is the Ta152 or the 262 (but that's another category).
Rest assured I'll be flying the F4U4 a lot more to make a better judgment.
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Originally posted by MotorOil1
Tempest does everything better than the F4U4 except again for the high speed handling.
Ummm no.
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According to the stats, the Chute appears to be the best fighter.
Those Japanese make some good fighter planes, they blow up easy, but just don't let the enemy behind you and you don't have to worry about that. And you better shoot them while you have the chance, because chances are anything else in the air can out run you.
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Hardly, Motor.
The F4U's rate of roll is superior at all speeds. She'll also out-turn the Tempest, once again at all speeds. She has better flaps and a far more effective rudder (any Hog driver worth his stick has a good set of pedals and knows how to use them. That rudder is a difference maker, and retains authority at speeds WELL above where the rudder on most opponents becomes ineffective). In instantaneous and sustained maneuvering the F4U is superior.
And as for the guns on the Spit, I'll take the consistent firepower of 6x.50s over a mixed bag of cannon and machine guns any day.
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Tempest is the faster a/c both in MIL and WEP below 15k, has a better climb rate below 5k at WEP, and 15K at MIL, better acceleration, and has the smaller turn radius at high speed (no flaps), and has much better firepower.
Both are VERY good fighters, but they are comparable. I fly them both and like them for different reasons.
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All the eny 5 planes are great (comes down to personal preference).
I will say this however - the most underrated fighter (in terms of ENY) is the FW190-D. :aok
Shamroc
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Originally posted by Lusche
That lil plane can surprise alot of players, especially Zero pilots who are relying too much on their turning ability:
"Enemy on my six? No problem I will just outturn him... WTF? He's still there? pingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingBOOM
Lusche
(who most dweebishly finished this tour with 300 kills in Hurri I :p )
Wtg Lusche!! I love the Hurri1 i just dont fly it enough
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Originally posted by Karnak
Redman seems to think that only BnZ is hard. Well, other than the FM2. Apparently the FM2 is hard for some reason, but, IIRC, he has claimed the A6M2 is easymode.
number 1 i dont BNZ i will strait up same lvl dogfight in P-47 and FM-2
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Originally posted by trigger2
Hurri is deffinetly one of em
and i agree with your list EXCEPT for the Fm-2
FM2 is slow and shoot rubber bullets but boy, use it right and it can outturn almost anything
My primarys are
f4u (usually 1c)
p47d-25
bf109f-4
and my favorite of all
the p38 :]
accually i havent been doin half bad in that FM-2, like u said u can outurn alot, and if u can get those 4 50cals in the right spot, u can easily take off a P-47 Wing
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Originally posted by Squire
Tempest is the faster a/c both in MIL and WEP below 15k, has a better climb rate below 5k at WEP, and 15K at MIL, better acceleration, and has the smaller turn radius at high speed (no flaps), and has much better firepower.
Both are VERY good fighters, but they are comparable. I fly them both and like them for different reasons.
I agree that both are very good fighters. However, 1v1, the F4U-4 will steal the Tempest's candy every time. In your standard DA merge scenario, the last time the Tempest driver will see the F4U-4 through his windscreen will be on the initial merge. After that it'll be behind his 3-9 line.
Off of the initial merge, the F4U-4 can get turned around much faster. The F4U-4's ability to deliberately scrub off E is amazing. Doing so gives you angles very quickly.
Now, I know that Gonzo's page shows that the Tempest has a smaller turn radius when neither uses flaps. However, what it doesn't show is that this occurs at 170 mph. At this speed, just 2 notches of flaps puts the F4U-4 easily inside the Tempest's turn. Worse, the Tempest has rather miserable roll control at low speeds, while the F4U-4 is still rather good. Lets face it, if you're turning circles at 170 mph, the F4U will have flaps out and the Tempest will be as dead as the 2007 Mets.
While the Tempest has better acceleration (the F4U-4 is mighty stout too), it is not enough to escape before getting clobbered. Of course, this acceleration advantage disappears above 7,000 feet, and the F4U-4 widens the gap as you go up. Low level speed also goes to the Tempest. But, like acceleration, reach 7k and its even. At 10k, the F4U-4 is faster. At the Tempest's best altitude (17k), it's only 3 mph faster than the -4 (433 vs 430). Above that, the Tempest gradually loses performance, while the F4U-4 only gets stronger. Eventually, the -4 tops out at 453 mph @ 26,200 feet.
So, while the Tempest is a terrific fighter, it does have two natural enemies that are both more capable dogfighters.. The La-7 and the F4U-4.
My regards,
Widewing
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for furballs B-17 hands down, get a squaddiew to gun for you, and it is a mean sob!
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ha ha ack ack, yep the p-38 in cartoon land. The combat flight simulator works well in HTCII. It's just a game, and there is no reallity here.
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The spit IX because it comes in pinK:D
What's better than a newbie girl in a pink plane shooting down a guy :p
(JK, men);) I usually get shot down first:)
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Originally posted by wolfcat5
ha ha ack ack, yep the p-38 in cartoon land. The combat flight simulator works well in HTCII. It's just a game, and there is no reallity here.
You should try posting sober, you might actually make some sense.
ack-ack
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according to the military channel the P51 was the most feared plane of WWII :D
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Ki-61.
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109f4 is best
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I love these post.
It is without a doubt the LA-7. There is so much complaining that gos on about it that it is not even funny but when a post like this gets started there are very few people that will mention it, that is also funny.
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Because the La7 isn't the best prop fighter in the game. It's a good plane no doubt but the best? Hardly.
ack-ack
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F6F
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Ack-Ack, I know you like the P-38 and I witnessed you doing a great job of evading 2 Spits a couple of weeks ago but if the LA-7 is not the most feared plane then why is it the most complained about. I like the LA, either version 5 or 7. It is what a fighter should be as far as I am concerned.
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Because all La-7s do is HO, run away for a sector, turn back, HO, run away for a sector, turn back, HO, run away for a sector....
Or my personal favorite: attempt to HO, lose angles, start to run away, turn around when your opponent breaks off to not get suckered in hoping for a cheap shot at the back or another HO if they're onto that trick, lather rinse repeat.
Plus there were all of 200 of the three-cannon birds built, yet while as rare as the PERKED C-hog IRL, the three-cannon La isn't.
The complaint isn't that they're uber, it's that the dweebs flying them never learn how to do more than HO, lawn-dart and ram.
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Does the 110 count as a fighter? After all it does have two engines...
It is a monster in the attack role, but I actually have fun using it as a fighter. Even though you are 95% of the time the slower plane and the poorer turning plane. But if you can ever get them in your gunsight :P
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Originally posted by battel gnome94
you are complitly right. :aok
So flying a B-24 in the middle of Germany in 1944 would be less manly than flying a P-51?
Not so sure heheh.
P-38's rock.
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
Ack-Ack, I know you like the P-38 and I witnessed you doing a great job of evading 2 Spits a couple of weeks ago but if the LA-7 is not the most feared plane then why is it the most complained about. I like the LA, either version 5 or 7. It is what a fighter should be as far as I am concerned.
Those that complain about the La7 usually do so out of ignorance. It's complained about for numerous reasons but the main complaint about them is too many fly them. Hardly a reason to complain about a plane if you ask me.
I'm not saying the La7 is a bad plane, it's not. It's a good plane with its strength and weaknesses, just like any other plane. In the right hands it is a very potent killer but then the same can be said for just about any other fighter in this game. There are other planes that are more well rounded, like the Tempest and F4U that in my opinion make those the better fighters.
Is the La7 amongst the top fighters? Yes, definitely. Is the La7 the top fighter? No.
ack-ack
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Best plane is the one that you can fly the best. I suck in a P-51, but can kill almost anyone when in a C.205, go figure.
So reality for me is pick a plane you fly well, and learn to fly it, learn its cababilities and its limitations. Learn the same about the other planes and tack advantage of their weakness.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Those that complain about the La7 usually do so out of ignorance. It's complained about for numerous reasons but the main complaint about them is too many fly them. Hardly a reason to complain about a plane if you ask me.
The main reason they complain about lalas is that when they are done vulch picking, they cannot out run the lala and get their WTFGs :rofl
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Originally posted by uptown
Spit 1 of course
I would like to see some evidence that you even fly this plane in game. Or do you just like the plane and never fly it??
Spazz
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Originally posted by Saxman
Because all La-7s do is HO, run away for a sector, turn back, HO, run away for a sector, turn back, HO, run away for a sector....
Or my personal favorite: attempt to HO, lose angles, start to run away, turn around when your opponent breaks off to not get suckered in hoping for a cheap shot at the back or another HO if they're onto that trick, lather rinse repeat.
Plus there were all of 200 of the three-cannon birds built, yet while as rare as the PERKED C-hog IRL, the three-cannon La isn't.
The complaint isn't that they're uber, it's that the dweebs flying them never learn how to do more than HO, lawn-dart and ram.
Sorry Saxman but this statement is as ignorent as it is broad. First off LAs do not have the fuel to run that many sectors. Second off there is the two cannon version. The only time I will run in a LA is when out of ammo, gas, or to reset the fight against an enemy in a better turning plane that I am losing ground against.
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K4 :)
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Originally posted by uptown
Spit 1 of course
Spits wings get dislocated from their sockets far to easily. I'd pick a Hurri 1 over a Spit 1 any day.
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
Ack-Ack, I know you like the P-38 and I witnessed you doing a great job of evading 2 Spits a couple of weeks ago but if the LA-7 is not the most feared plane then why is it the most complained about. I like the LA, either version 5 or 7. It is what a fighter should be as far as I am concerned.
There is little fear from a LA7, they are more of an annoyance, mainly because of the typical people whom fly them.
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Great comments Sax and WW. That's what I'm looking for.
I'm stuck given the tactics I use regularly. I'd hate to get a Tempest or F4U4 under 170mph. Hate to get any plane under that as you become a target at those speeds in the MA. I largely suspected the F4U4 was more manoeuvrable at any speed.
I usually stick to the BZ type tactics and generally in the MA, the fight is 80% below 10k and generally below 5k. Which in turn is probably why I've preferred the Tempest. Given these tactics and the gun package I've been quite successful.
So far in the few flights I've made in the U4 I've been unable to make a clean escape using my usual tactics. In a couple of situations I've been forced into a turn fight with a plane I'm not that familiar with. I think I'll take some practice runs in the F4UD and C before jumping back in to the U4, figure out the best speeds to drop the flaps and pull hard on the stick.
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not tryin to b rude about the ppl that fly em, but LA LAs r kinda noob planes, i thought like first 2 planes noobs should fly when they join is LA, and nikim LA is way to easy to kill ppl with
-bigbobCH
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Originally posted by redman555
not tryin to b rude about the ppl that fly em, but LA LAs r kinda noob planes, i thought like first 2 planes noobs should fly when they join is LA, and nikim LA is way to easy to kill ppl with
-bigbobCH
Grab one and come get me. I ll be in a p40. Lets see how easy the LALA is.
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I'd go with the La-7 personally, unless the F4U-4 was significantly improved by the last FM revision (the one that absolutely nuetered the 190s).
The 109K-4 almost gets my vote. In fact, I wouldn't hesistate to take a K-4 against an F4U-4 at all. I've been on both sides of that one, and if the 109 can get the F4U to bleed off its E pulling for a shot the fight is over - the F4U will never regain equal footing. However, it is also my opinion that the La-7 does everything just a little bit better than the K-4, so I'll go with that.
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I've rarely had any trouble against a K-4 while in a 4-Hog, though the 109 pilots are few and even fewer are awesome.
Also, the point of the duel is to get on the other guy's six, not to shake him off if he's already parked there. If that happens, it's assumed you've lost regardless of aircraft... but that doesn't mean you've gotta give up.
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Originally posted by Urchin
I'd go with the La-7 personally, unless the F4U-4 was significantly improved by the last FM revision (the one that absolutely nuetered the 190s).
Yes, F4Us have been changed to be Spitfires. Maybe a bad copy paste of the two flight models but I would rather be in a F4U-1D than a Spit 9 now days.
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Originally posted by Urchin
I'd go with the La-7 personally, unless the F4U-4 was significantly improved by the last FM revision (the one that absolutely nuetered the 190s).
The 109K-4 almost gets my vote. In fact, I wouldn't hesistate to take a K-4 against an F4U-4 at all. I've been on both sides of that one, and if the 109 can get the F4U to bleed off its E pulling for a shot the fight is over - the F4U will never regain equal footing. However, it is also my opinion that the La-7 does everything just a little bit better than the K-4, so I'll go with that.
4-hog kiks both the 109k-4 and la-7
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I see your F4U-4 and raise you a Spitfire Mk. XIV.
The XIV is a wonderful aircraft. It's fast, it climbs like a rocket, it has wonderful rudder and aileron performance, it turns well, and it has a lethal guns package.
Its only true con is short internal fuel range, though the slipper tank mostly makes up for that. It's a great turn fighter (in the right hands, as it takes a lot of throttle and flap management), it's a great vertical fighter, and it's one hell of a cherrypicker.
The only aircraft I'd take over the XIV is a properly modeled Ta-152... And with that said, the current "ghetto" 152 we have is still a hell of a ride.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Yes, F4Us have been changed to be Spitfires. Maybe a bad copy paste of the two flight models but I would rather be in a F4U-1D than a Spit 9 now days.
Are you serious? I've shot down Corsairs with ease in my Spitfire Mk. IX as of late...
...Maybe, just maybe, you're trying to fly it like an arcade "sim", and less like an actual Spitfire where you need to manage your throttle and flaps?
I can easily turn with (and out-turn) an F4U-1A in a Spit IX with low throttle and flaps, even when the Corsair has his flaps and gear down.
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Originally posted by Fruda
Are you serious? I've shot down Corsairs with ease in my Spitfire Mk. IX as of late...
...Maybe, just maybe, you're trying to fly it like an arcade "sim", and less like an actual Spitfire where you need to manage your throttle and flaps?
I can easily turn with (and out-turn) an F4U-1A in a Spit IX with low throttle and flaps, even when the Corsair has his flaps and gear down.
You haven't run into a really good F4U driver yet... I out-turn Zeros with an F6F... That's because the Zero driver wasn't very good. It's all about pilot skill. Until you fly against someone of equal skill, any comparison is subjective.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Fruda
Are you serious? I've shot down Corsairs with ease in my Spitfire Mk. IX as of late...
...Maybe, just maybe, you're trying to fly it like an arcade "sim", and less like an actual Spitfire where you need to manage your throttle and flaps?
I can easily turn with (and out-turn) an F4U-1A in a Spit IX with low throttle and flaps, even when the Corsair has his flaps and gear down.
Maybe just maybe you still don't have a clue about this game. Did your spitfire kill the F4U or did you kill the F4U pilot.
You can teach me how to fly Spits anytime :rofl
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Who needs a Plane I was in a hanger standing with my 9mm last night and just killing people with a hand gun as they popped up!
:t
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Originally posted by Fruda
Are you serious? I've shot down Corsairs with ease in my Spitfire Mk. IX as of late...
...Maybe, just maybe, you're trying to fly it like an arcade "sim", and less like an actual Spitfire where you need to manage your throttle and flaps?
I can easily turn with (and out-turn) an F4U-1A in a Spit IX with low throttle and flaps, even when the Corsair has his flaps and gear down.
:lol
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Originally posted by Widewing
You haven't run into a really good F4U driver yet... I out-turn Zeros with an F6F... That's because the Zero driver wasn't very good. It's all about pilot skill. Until you fly against someone of equal skill, any comparison is subjective.
My regards,
Widewing
I've run into some pretty tough opponents in the basic Corsair models, and some really tough ones in the -1C. But none of them have been a huge problem when I'm in a Spitfire Mk. IX or Mk. XIV.
I can say that I've had some really tough fights with F4U-4s over the years, though. I can also say that I've made plenty of mistakes in these fights (though who hasn't?).
Even still, I can't imagine being unable to defeat a -4 pilot of the same skill level (but I'm not saying I'd never lose) in a Spitfire Mk. XIV, or even a Mk. IX. Like you said, it's all about pilot skill, and I have a lot of hours in Spitfires (and even moreso for 109s). And as for the A6M2, I've yet to have anybody out-turn (or even turn with) me, save for other A6M2s. Even so, there aren't too many Zero pilots who really know how to use it.
And just last night, I lost almost twenty points by losing a Spitfire Mk. XIV to two Tempests up at 11,000 feet. I would've been fine, as I had Tempest #1 running away (I imagine I gave him a pilot wound, as I sprayed the canopy with .50s), and Tempest #2 wasn't faring so well... But, #2 turned back to face me for a head-on, and we started firing. His shots only pinged me, and I got his oil --- but he turned right into my left wing when I was rolling hard right, and for some reason I got the damage from the ram. Oh well, such is life. :p
That aside, I suppose I'll try a few flights in the F4U-4 and form my own opinions about it. I've had great flights in the XIV, and I hope I can match them in the -4. But as far as the basic models go, there are still plenty of ways to beat them in a Spitfire, or a 109, or a Mustang, or... Well, I think you see where I'm going with this.
Again, like you said, it's all about skill, really.
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Originally posted by Fruda
I've run into some pretty tough opponents in the basic Corsair models, and some really tough ones in the -1C. But none of them have been a huge problem when I'm in a Spitfire Mk. IX or Mk. XIV.
That's one great thing about the Training Arena. You can fly long, multiple merge engagements without the worry of getting shot down.
I'm in the TA Tuesday thru Thursday evenings, 9 PM to 11 PM Eastern time. Drop in and we'll play some with the Spits and F4Us. It's a great place to get experience pushing planes to the limit without the consequence of having to re-up if a mistake is made. Stop in if you can make it, you'll have fun.
My regards,
Widewing
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From an even start the F4U will own any spit given average spit driver. The VIII is the toughest matchup IMO since the 16 has nor chance in the end game unless the pilot is uber with it. Very difficult for any spit to beat a hog from a dueling merge if the hog driver is good. In the MA the hog will control the fight vs anything but a spitXIV. All in all I'd say most good hog srivers few the spits as a minimal threat (recognizing a good pilot is always a threat)....
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Well my personal fave is the hurri 1 but its slow speed and .303 mean that you have to get up close n personal ..then its a killer(375yds convergeance).turns the little lead into wing cutters:D
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Originally posted by Pepprr
The spit IX because it comes in pinK:D
What's better than a newbie girl in a pink plane shooting down a guy :p
(JK, men);) I usually get shot down first:)
Oh dear,
I quite like the pink spit too hehe perhaps i shouldnt have posted that lmao nevermind its all good clean fun eh..........(i dont mind if you shoot me down im great at crashing).....:rolleyes:
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Most of the planes are very good. It's what you decide to use it for that makes it best for you.
Best all arounder might be the F4U's or 38's
I prefer the F6's or P51-B over them because I haven't figured out how to fly them yet. Rockets and bombs are a favorite of mine.
Turn and burn might be the spits for sure but those Ki's are very nice
B&Z'ers would be 51-D, 190D/8 and 109's none of which I fly well
Most fun would be LA7-5, FM2, F4F, 110, 109f, Mossie
Most hated on my 6 Spit 16
And the one that makes my heart race the most.... A goon :noid I get a few kills a month in them