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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Furball on June 30, 2007, 09:14:33 AM
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Film as requested.
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1183212382_ftdeep.ahf
And the 110 film. Please note that there is another 110 in the area, close to a C2.
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1183212836_ft2.ahf
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:rofl Oh man those are good ones Furball! Can I use those in a film....?
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OWNED!!! twice..:D
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In the first film furball does what just about every does, Merge, Deflection shot.
How about raising the BAR UP^ and only going for 6 shots.My 8 year old can do deflection shots all day long.
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Originally posted by Sketch
:rofl Oh man those are good ones Furball! Can I use those in a film....?
Of course.
Originally posted by Sweet2th
In the first film furball does what just about every does, Merge, Deflection shot.
How about raising the BAR UP^ and only going for 6 shots.My 8 year old can do deflection shots all day long.
If those had been the rules i would have happy stuck with them. We just set an area to fight, and did so. I timed coming over the top better than he did and took my shot. I also hung around the area in case he wanted to fight again (which he didn't).
Personally i find the most fun fights to be either Spits using .303 only, or A6m's using MG only. Those fights can be epic. F4U is what he was flying, so i upped one - it is not my plane of choice.
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I hear ya Fur Babe, but i only go for 6 kills.
The eastiest shot to make is the hardest place to get too.
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Is it?
Do you not think it is more difficult to get a clean shot (avoiding head ons) in one move from an equal merge?
He went from equal merge to dead in less than 10 seconds.
I do agree that longer fights are more fun, far more enjoyable though.
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hahaha, well done furbs. that guy has always been a total dweeb. one time he accused me of HO'ing his spit in a 190a8, yet i got into his rear quarter after 5 seconds before i fired a round LOL
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didnt take you long.at work right now,cant see the film. i will tho. but the disapointing 1v1...disapointing. all your gonna see me is read him correctly. i knew he was coming in slow and it was either the roll over or s turn. i matched it..kept him in view and realized this was gonna be a face shot or collision or both. i tried to avoid that and was thinking next move. i was hoping he wouldnt have tried the face shot. thought he was above that.but i was wrong and suprised.i was looking for the long low and slow drag out fite it could have been.i would have settled for nothing but the 6 shot on such an opponent.or any other opponent 1v1.
the 110 fite..no excuses i saw u coming..was more involved w/a 205 at the time.but i had plenty of time to react.ya got me.the 205 was i think 4.5 out at the time but he was coming back after his 3rd attepmt to drag me into ack.slow reaction time..BOOM, ded.
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Originally posted by FTDEEP
didnt take you long.at work right now,cant see the film. i will tho. but the disapointing 1v1...disapointing. all your gonna see me is read him correctly. i knew he was coming in slow and it was either the roll over or s turn. i matched it..kept him in view and realized this was gonna be a face shot or collision or both. i tried to avoid that and was thinking next move.
Actually, i only merged relatively slow because i noticed that is what you do on your merges, and i intended to beat you at your own game. I even said that to Wax (who was riding as passenger) before we met.
You did not change your course at all (check trails), so there is no way you tried to avoid anything - besides, there was nothing to avoid because if i had thought it was a HO, i would have held fire. I was the one in the better position.
Originally posted by FTDEEP
thought he was above that.but i was wrong and suprised.
You had spent the previous hour saying all sorts of derogatory things about me... yet somehow you make out that you have some sort of respect for me?! If i had thought it was a HO, i would have held fire - the last thing i would want is to give you another excuse.
There is no rule for duelling that i know of which means you have to shoot your opponent down from dead 6.
You always make excuses and attempt to lie your way out of things. That is the only reason why i posted these films. Usually, whenever i have a disagreement with anyone in AH i leave it on friendly terms and a . You deserved neither.
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FT hasnt met a death he couldnt whine about. Always a reason or excuse or "dweeb" plane. You cant ever expect the other guys to fly by your rules or in the plane of your choice. No question your a good stick FT...but you neede a break IMO.......
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That wasn't a HO. Nice shot.
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watch that fight from FTDeeps perspective.
WHAT THE HECK WAS FTDEEP even doing?
Can ya' explain those rolls/plane jerks to me? FTDEEP, is that how it always is when you fly and can you explain what all that jerking about was for? Do you use a mouse or something?
(p.s. that wasn't a ho. FTDEEP never had a chance to pull guns. nice clean deflection shot)
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I dont normally like these threads, but after watching the **** talking on 200 earlier all i can say is LOL.
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Originally posted by Furball
There is no rule for duelling that i know of which means you have to shoot your opponent down from dead 6.
It's ok Furball, lots of players take the easy way out.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
It's ok Furball, lots of players take the easy way out.
With all respect, i dont mean to start an argument with you here... But i am curious, are you Deep's shade account or something? Do you even play this game? Do you even know anything about or done any duelling?
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yes the shaking..been asking all week if it was just me..think the stick is goin..the shaking moves is driving me nuts. one liast time..i saw a ho/collision coming i tried to avoid it..he got me. end of story.hope u got the circle j*rk u were looking for...
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lol a spit huh, i bet u dont have that one on film..i dont fly spits..nice try.
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Originally posted by FTDEEP
hope u got the circle j*rk u were looking for...
No need for that. You asked me to post the film.
Originally posted by FTDEEP
lol a spit huh, i bet u dont have that one on film..i dont fly spits..nice try.
I am guessing that is aimed at Biggles.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
It's ok Furball, lots of players take the easy way out.
Post some of your films.
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FTDeep, you made a few critical mistakes in the F4U duel.
Furball was able to get lower than you. When you merged, Furball was already about 20 degrees nose up. You were about 20 degrees nose down. Thus, Furball already had a 40 degree advantage. However, you added to this by beginning you reverse far too late. When your nose was horizontal, Furball was in the vertical, a full 90 degrees ahead of you. He needed only to go another 90 degrees in his immelman, while you were just beginning to reverse.
If you examine the image below you can see exactly how he beat you. More than just beat you, he was literally waiting for you....
(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/Furball-FTDeep.jpg)
In that second film, you reversed downward and rather late too.... You basically set yourself up to have Furball on your six in a blink.
I suggest some dueling practice with someone who does it often. Dueling is a skill not acquired in the MA.
Some simple advice.... If you find yourself in a diving merge, don't reverse immediately as you'll provide a nice fat target. The other guy will always beat you on the reverse. Extend out 1.5k to 2k and then reverse into a second merge.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Furball
With all respect, i dont mean to start an argument with you here... But i am curious, are you Deep's shade account or something? Do you even play this game? Do you even know anything about or done any duelling?
I know what i see in that wittle film you posted.Come on here and bragg about this & that and it's the same ol same ol G.I.
Personally i don't know FTDeep nor do i care to, the same apply's to you as well.
I know this about deuling, You take the easy way out.
:aok
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
I know what i see in that wittle film you posted.Come on here and bragg about this & that and it's the same ol same ol G.I.
Personally i don't know FTDeep nor do i care to, the same apply's to you as well.
I know this about deuling, You take the easy way out.
:aok
About as clueless a comment as can be....
WW summed it up nicely. FT isnt a very good merger, never really has been (doesnt mean he's a "bad" stick). A duel will play out based on how both parties act and react. you cant ever fault a guy for playing what he was delt. Passing on a solution often comes at the expense of E, angles or both. If someone chases a HO or other poor choice the comment may have some valididty.
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Furby won cause he got his nose under & was slower.
instant deth in f4u
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
I know what i see in that wittle film you posted.Come on here and bragg about this & that and it's the same ol same ol G.I.
Personally i don't know FTDeep nor do i care to, the same apply's to you as well.
I know this about deuling, You take the easy way out.
:aok
This is coming from a guy who posted:
A film of a 109 squad mission toally ignoring him because he couldn't hit anything then claimed they all ran from him.
A flim of him spraying and praying then another pilot comes along and finishes the job and he claims to have some secret move that works every time.
A film of a figure 8 map through pylons where he claims to teach people defelction shots but every shot is a HO.
Please... do a forum search to find these films for a good laugh.
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Having a bad merge is basically lack of DA time. Its very repetitive but for each plane their is a style difference.
Experience plays a major factor in our game.......
I am willing to bet that furball can tell if his stick is going out realllly fast.. He also has a smooth merge along with a good stick can do wonders.
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Furball ownt! He is a much better stick the DEEP, easily. He flies much smoother and knows acm's very well.
You're actually got lucky he even merged with you furball, the first time I met FTDEEP in DA, he was no show. Then I started fighting someone else out of boredom. All the sudden I see a blip coming in from adjacent dueling fields so I start looking. I see a plane coming in from like 12K and he bnz's me, I'm like, "who is this?", and he got hits on me and I bailed. FTDEEP has just shot you down. LMAO then he comes on 200 and says, "I win" and logs back into MA! What a terd!:aok
Mark
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Nice analysis WW, thanks.
Originally posted by Sweet2th
I know what i see in that wittle film you posted.Come on here and bragg about this & that and it's the same ol same ol G.I.
Personally i don't know FTDeep nor do i care to, the same apply's to you as well.
I know this about deuling, You take the easy way out.
:aok
I am not even going to bother replying to these points.
Have fun doing whatever it is you do, oh chivalric one.
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Originally posted by Furball
With all respect, i dont mean to start an argument with you here... But i am curious, are you Deep's shade account or something? Do you even play this game? Do you even know anything about or done any duelling?
Pay no attention to him Furball. He's the twit that posted the film in how to do Head On shots and was rejected as a trainer because, well, he wasn't up to par. For him to comment on anyone's flying is like, to steal an over used cliche, the pot calling the kettle black.
ack-ack
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Sweet2th, when people bring up past events that have been swept under the rug, don't let it bother ya.........I don't hold grudges, or keep ill memories to judge people with..........
who brought up anything? to have bothered me?
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Originally posted by Furball
Nice analysis WW, thanks.
I am not even going to bother replying to these points.
Have fun doing whatever it is you do, oh chivalric one.
Why because it's true?
I have FUN no matter what B you can count on that 1!:aok
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Originally posted by Furball
With all respect, i dont mean to start an argument with you here... But i am curious, are you Deep's shade account or something? Do you even play this game? Do you even know anything about or done any duelling?
Yeah Furball, he talks alot about nothing trying to sound smart. Not sure if he plays the game or not but he might get one gold star for having my sight's pack on thier webpage... Could of at least giving some credit for it as well as all the guys who made those sights. :rolleyes:
If you do play Cavity2th, by what do you go under... Because 1HungLo is not even part of the Red Rippers. Don't hide, just want proof I guess that you know the planes so well with all these comments you post.
And if you want to learn to fly the -1/-1A, go talk to AKDogg....
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Originally posted by FTDEEP
yes the shaking..been asking all week if it was just me..think the stick is goin..the shaking moves is driving me nuts. one liast time..i saw a ho/collision coming i tried to avoid it..he got me. end of story.hope u got the circle j*rk u were looking for...
As I reviewed the films, I noticed that your Corsair was constantly being cross-controlled. What this means is that you are always carrying some rudder displacement. Looks to me like a twisty stick with a bad pot.
Load the AH2 software and select offline practice. Pull up your clipboard and click Options/Controls/Map Controllers. Select your stick, highlight the Z axis and check the Advanced box. When the window slides out, pay attention to the vertical scale on the right. Your Z axis indicator should be centered. If not, recalibrate. If it still won't center, your pot is probably toasted. If centered, continue....
Move your stick fore and aft. Note if the Z axis indicator moves.
Move your stick left and right. Again, note if the Z axis indicator moves.
Rotate the twisty left and right. Note if this causes the Z axis indicator to jump around.
If any of the above occurs, your stick needs repair or replacement.
Now, should none of the above be evident, you may be twisting the stick inadvertently. So, add more dead band to the Z axis by moving the slider up about 1/4 of the total range from the bottom.
Recalibrate and test fly to see if the "shaking" goes away or is significantly reduced.
While checking the Z axis, take a few minutes and check the X and Y axes for spiking too.
It's tough enough competing with a top level duelist like Furball without having to fight your stick as well.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Sketch
Yeah Furball, he talks alot about nothing trying to sound smart. Not sure if he plays the game or not but he might get one gold star for having my sight's pack on thier webpage... Could of at least giving some credit for it as well as all the guys who made those sights. :rolleyes:
That isn't my website B, and i think yer sights blow.
As far as F4u-1-A Knowledge:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKW2iyUs9sA just a taste for joo
Kind of sad to hear players talkin about owning someone when all they do is deflection shots.
To me OWNING someone is when they use weak arse tactix like furby did, countering those weak tactix, gain his 6, then wasting him, now that is how you OWN someone.Not FLAT turning and goin for the first available shot, thats what BABYSEALS do, but then again, if it looks like a duck, fly's like a duck and quacks like a duck.............:aok
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1hunglo, please could you go to DA with me and teach me sometime?
I am tired of being sub standard in AH, and am eager to improve.
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It's amazing that someone with 1HungLo's unquestionable skill that he was rejected as a trainer. He's the idiot-savant of the AH world, well on second thought, he's just an idiot.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
As far as F4u-1-A Knowledge:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKW2iyUs9sA just a taste for joo
Sketch, that sure told you....
Sweet, can you teach me to fly that well?
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
That isn't my website B, and i think yer sights blow.
As far as F4u-1-A Knowledge:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKW2iyUs9sA just a taste for joo
Kind of sad to hear players talkin about owning someone when all they do is deflection shots.
To me OWNING someone is when they use weak arse tactix like furby did, countering those weak tactix, gain his 6, then wasting him, now that is how you OWN someone.Not FLAT turning and goin for the first available shot, thats what BABYSEALS do, but then again, if it looks like a duck, fly's like a duck and quacks like a duck.............:aok
So basically what your telling me is your a total dweeb who cant think in 3 dimensions and manage the combination of speed, angles and energy state to arrive at an early gun solution. A fight that goes to the end game means that neither pilot could establish true superiority on the merge or during the midgame. Basically I'd say your flying "weak tactix" vs others of similiar ability and confusing that with any real level of skill. So you end up flopping around till you both finally run out of E totally.
The true definition of "owning" somebody is when off a cold dueling merge the other guy cant get past the remerge.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
As far as F4u-1-A Knowledge:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKW2iyUs9sA just a taste for joo
I was so impressed with this video that i thought i would check out your others.
I hate to tell you, but Corsairs did not sink the Tirpitz. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyp-Z_z0580
and why are you trying to teach deflection shooting? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWT7CpNiGok
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Sweet O Sweet got yourself in some hot water. Take this as a lesson and lick your wounds.
Don't let the game get to you and try and study what you did wrong. Especially don't pick a fight with a tru AH vet.
Furball i will DA ya. This would be a better use of your da time.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
That isn't my website B, and i think yer sights blow.
Ahh man you hurt my feelings.... :cry Thank God those are a collection of sights from the years of Aces High and Air Warrior from players in this game clue dart.
Originally posted by Sweet2th
As far as F4u-1-A Knowledge:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKW2iyUs9sA just a taste for joo [/B]
Uh yeah... first you spelled 'you' wrong... and second, you get caught with your gear down? Oh wait, here you are:
(http://www.xes.cx/Frank/pilot1.jpg)
Originally posted by Sweet2th
Kind of sad to hear players talkin about owning someone when all they do is deflection shots.
To me OWNING someone is when they use weak arse tactix like furby did, countering those weak tactix, gain his 6, then wasting him, now that is how you OWN someone.Not FLAT turning and goin for the first available shot, thats what BABYSEALS do, but then again, if it looks like a duck, fly's like a duck and quacks like a duck.............:aok [/B]
You get a kill on something, (couldn't tell because of film quality), because the guys was focused on BBaw. Wow, takes talent for getting on that guys 6!!
Also, love all the profanity at the begining of your films.
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Originally posted by Furball
I was so impressed with this video that i thought i would check out your others.
I hate to tell you, but Corsairs did not sink the Tirpitz. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyp-Z_z0580
and why are you trying to teach deflection shooting? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWT7CpNiGok
Yeah was wondering when the F4U sunk that little 'boat'
Here you go Gingy2th:How the Tirpitz was sunk (http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/tirpitz.html)
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Originally posted by Widewing
As I reviewed the films, I noticed that your Corsair was constantly being cross-controlled. What this means is that you are always carrying some rudder displacement. Looks to me like a twisty stick with a bad pot.
Load the AH2 software and select offline practice. Pull up your clipboard and click Options/Controls/Map Controllers. Select your stick, highlight the Z axis and check the Advanced box. When the window slides out, pay attention to the vertical scale on the right. Your Z axis indicator should be centered. If not, recalibrate. If it still won't center, your pot is probably toasted. If centered, continue....
Move your stick fore and aft. Note if the Z axis indicator moves.
Move your stick left and right. Again, note if the Z axis indicator moves.
Rotate the twisty left and right. Note if this causes the Z axis indicator to jump around.
If any of the above occurs, your stick needs repair or replacement.
Now, should none of the above be evident, you may be twisting the stick inadvertently. So, add more dead band to the Z axis by moving the slider up about 1/4 of the total range from the bottom.
Recalibrate and test fly to see if the "shaking" goes away or is significantly reduced.
While checking the Z axis, take a few minutes and check the X and Y axes for spiking too.
It's tough enough competing with a top level duelist like Furball without having to fight your stick as well.
My regards,
Widewing
As far as the stick going bad.. I'd say recalibrate several times and even do it in windows.
I had my rudders start flaking out in game (twisty stick) I kept trying to recalibrate the stick with no luck. My issue was kinda sporadic though, it would happen out of the blue and made flying almost impossible.
For what ever reason I recalibrated in windows under game controllers then in the game a few more times and it finally fixed the issue.
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What I saw in those two videos were FB handing out some cans-o-wipass. That F4U kill wasnt even close to being a HO.
BTW I know hunglos secret identity and Ill tell you for only $14.94.:aok
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
As far as F4u-1-A Knowledge:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKW2iyUs9sA just a taste for joo
Is it me or did anyone else see anything impressive in that vid ? ... cause I sure as hell didn't.
All I saw was some guy running around with his gear out, freaking out due to SA overload and trying to pick and steal-kill from others.
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Originally posted by Larry
BTW I know hunglos secret identity and Ill tell you for only $14.94.:aok
How about a nickle ? ... and that 5 cents too much.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
How about a nickle ? ... and that 5 cents too much.
No Id rather have $16.03, dam those taxes.:D
OK ok the first letter is..................V.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
That isn't my website B, and i think yer sights blow.
As far as F4u-1-A Knowledge:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKW2iyUs9sA just a taste for joo
Kind of sad to hear players talkin about owning someone when all they do is deflection shots.
To me OWNING someone is when they use weak arse tactix like furby did, countering those weak tactix, gain his 6, then wasting him, now that is how you OWN someone.Not FLAT turning and goin for the first available shot, thats what BABYSEALS do, but then again, if it looks like a duck, fly's like a duck and quacks like a duck.............:aok
Hmmm....:confused:
Obviously, you know as little about history as you do about shooting with deflection.
Using deflection is at art of putting your guns in a position to strike a moving target. Basically, the only alternatives to deflection are head on and tail on with a non-manuevering target.
I watched your 'Deflection 101' vid. All I can say is you MUST be joking!! The only thing anyone could possibly learn from that is how to fly low and not crash (btw, you did well at it :)). The more I think about it...the sadder I get. :cry
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Originally posted by Larry
OK ok the first letter is..................V.
V :confused: SS ?
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I dont know about anyone else, but I will make a point of HOin Sweety every chance I get.:aok
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Originally posted by SlapShot
V :confused: SS ?
I think you spelled it too fast for them SlapShot :p
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After watching the various films in this thread a few things come immediately come to mind.
FTdeep needs a needs a new joystick - that one has been causing him problems for at least 5 years that I can remember. I hope his internet connection problems have also been overcome - along with the joystick, they have been an ongoing source of his distress. He clearly would have had Furby's measure if the fight had lasted longer than those tragically brief 2 seconds.
One mans clear, no risk, 1/4 deflection shot straight into the cockpit with deadly accuracy is another man's headon.
The gun lobby is wrong. The person who posted those films on youtube should never be allowed to own one.