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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Nimrod45 on July 01, 2007, 02:26:08 PM
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I know it lost to the B-25 in the last vote but hopefully they will think about new aditions pretty soon. The P-39 should be the next one we get, it made a major contribution to WWII, it wasn't thought of highly by the Amaricans but it help hold the line untill something better came along. The Russians used it to devastating effect and continued to use it against late war Germain aircraft. It would be a great low level dog fighter and attack aircraft, this is a WWII game and without the P-39 it isn't complete.
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TOTALLY AGREED!!!!:aok
We do need the P-39. I would also like to see a few more aircraft added but i'm not gonna start whining to get them. HTC will do what they want and i encourage them cuz this is ONE AWESOME GAME!!!:aok
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
The P-39 should be the next one we get
We need other planes more then the P39.
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Personally, I would like to see the Beaufighter and the He-111
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hopefully they will think about new aditions pretty soon
We haven't even gotten the B-25 yet, so I think It's going to be quite a while before HTC even considers adding another aircraft. But I totally agree, sometime down the road, the P-39 should definitely be added to this game.
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Originally posted by Larry
We need other planes more then the P39.
No other plane would fill as many holes.
Bronk
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Bronk there are alot more planes needed to fill in the holes and even more that should have been in the planeset long long ago. P39 is one of them but it shouldnt be on the top of the list.
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we will not see the B25 for atleast 3month,it is going to come out on patch 2.11,and it is only patch 2.10,and i do agree with larry, the p39 is just like the yak-9T,many people would not like it,it only has 30ish rounds of 37MM.We no need more german bombers,jap bombers,russian fighters maybe.The P39 is not that great,if you want the power of the 37MM fly the yak-9T.The P39 is low on the list for me,even thow i dont like bombing,we do need a more different selection of bombers,we have enought american fighters and bombers,need more of the Axis items(bombers, fighters).
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Originally posted by Larry
Bronk there are alot more planes needed to fill in the holes and even more that should have been in the planeset long long ago. P39 is one of them but it shouldnt be on the top of the list.
Name one plane that fills as many holes.
P-39= pac, med and russian theaters of operation.
No other ac does that.
Bronk
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Bronk was the same version used in all of the theaters?
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
we will not see the B25 for atleast 3month,it is going to come out on patch 2.11,and it is only patch 2.10,and i do agree with larry, the p39 is just like the yak-9T,many people would not like it,it only has 30ish rounds of 37MM.We no need more german bombers,jap bombers,russian fighters maybe.The P39 is not that great,if you want the power of the 37MM fly the yak-9T.The P39 is low on the list for me,even thow i dont like bombing,we do need a more different selection of bombers,we have enought american fighters and bombers,need more of the Axis items(bombers, fighters).
The p-39 can carry ords or a DTs lets see a yak-t do that. Also secondary weapons are double that of the T.
Ohh and BTW the 39 can be skinned as russian, so that's a russian fighter.
Do some reading squeaker.
Bronk
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Larry I think they got revision as they were released.
I believe the Q versions were based on russian recommendations for improvements.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Larry
Bronk, was the same version used in all of the theaters?
I agree the addition of the Airacobra would be welcome, but as the Russians got half the P-39's, and nearly all the P63's, if added, it should be a Lend Lease version and placed in the Russian plane set: P-39D-1, P-39D-2, and P-39Q Airacobra and probably a number of P-39N's all saw action in Russia.
The second-highest scoring Allied ace, Aleksandr Pokryshkin, flew the P-39 from late 1942 until the end of the war; his unofficial score in the Airacobra stands at about 43 planes shot down of the 59 Luftwaffe aircraft total he was credited for, and the unofficial believed to be near 80 planes altogether. His wingman, Grigori Rechkalov, scored 57 victories including most with the P-39. Sasha also flew the Yak-1, Mig-3, La-5, and La-7 (and possible the P-63 against the Lend Lease agreements), but most of his victories were in the P-39.
I think, if the P39 were added, it should be default skin of 16 GIAP of the VVS and placed the the Russian plane set as a nod to Sasha and Lend Lease.
Bell P-39C Airacobra First production version. Powered by 1 × Alison V-1710-35, rated at 1,150 hp (857 kW). These aircraft were used for the serviceability of the P-39, not as front-line aircraft. This version was armed with 1 × 37 mm cannon, 15 rounds, 2 × 0.50 in (12,7 mm) guns, 200 rounds each, and 1 × 0.3 in (7.62 mm) gun, 500 rounds, for help with sighting of the cannon.Number built: 20
Bell P-39D Airacobra The first operational variant differed from it's predecessor in a number of ways:
* armament was changed to 1 × 37 mm and 2 × 0.50 in (12 mm) guns in the nose, plus 4 × 0.3 in (7.62 mm) in the wings (no "aiming" 0.3 in gun anymore)
* armor to protect the pilot
* self-sealing fuel tanks
* Changes to the vertical tail (dorsal fin fillet added)
* Hardpoint for a single 250-lb, 325-lb, or 500-lb bomb, or a drop tank under the fuselage.
Two different sub variants were built:
* P-39D-1: Built for the RAF, and fitted with a 20 mm Hispano cannon (60 rounds) in stead of the 37 mm one. (519 built)
* P-39D-2: Powered with 1 × Alison V-1710-63 , rated at 1,325 hp (988 kW); restored the 37 mm cannon; provisions for a single 145 US gallon drop tank under the fuselage.
The British aircraft were declared unfit for the Western European theater, and shipped to Russia to aid them. A couple of the originals were held back by the USAAF, and the were refitted and redesigned to trainers..
Number built: 923
Bell P-39F Airacobra To be ahead of a possible lack in Curtiss Electric propellers, the P-39F received a Aeroproducts propeller. Some of these aircraft were later refitted:
* P-39F-2: Additional armor protection under the fuselage for ground attack, and reconnaissance cameras
There were 27 aircraft adapted to this subvariant
Number built: 229
Bell P-39J Airacobra The last 25 P-39F's were fitted with 1 × Alison V-1710-59 engine, and were re-designated accordingly
Number built: 25
Bell P-39K Airacobra Similar to the P-39J, the P-39K was powered by 1 × Alison V-1710-63, rated at 1,325 hp (988 kW). Also the propeller was an Aeroproducts metal propeller of the constant speed type. About six were converted to:
* P-39K-2: Additional armor protection under the fuselage for ground attack, and reconnaissance cameras
Number built: 210
Bell P-39L Airacobra Identical to the P-39K, except for the Curtiss Electric propeller. 11 Aircraft were converted to:
* P-39L-2: Additional armor protection under the fuselage for ground attack, and reconnaissance cameras
Number built: 250
Bell P-39M Airacobra Identical to the P-39L, except for the Aeroproducts propeller and the engine: 1 × Alison V-1710-83, rated at 1,200 hp (895 kW). Because of the changes the P-39M was 10 Mph (16 km/h) faster than the P-39L At a top level speed of 370 Mph (595 km/h). 8 Aircraft were converted to:
* P-39M-2: Additional armor protection under the fuselage for ground attack, and reconnaissance cameras
Number built: 240
Bell P-39N Airacobra First large-scale production model.
* 2 × 0.50 in fixed forward-firing in the upper side of the nose, 200 rounds each
* 4 × 0.3 in fixed forward-firing in the wings, 1000 rounds each
* Cannons 1 × 37 mm M4 fixed; 30 rounds
During the production some improvements were incorporated, like a bigger propeller, more fuel capacity, better radio equipment, a revised oxygen system , lighter armor and bullet proof glass behind the pilot. A number of aircraft were converted to the following sub-variants:
* P-39N-2: Modified for ground attack and reconnaissance (128 converted)
* P-39N-3: Modified for ground attack and reconnaissance (35 converted)
* P-39N-6: Modified for ground attack and reconnaissance (84 converted)
Number built: 2095
Bell P-39Q Airacobra Final production version. This version differed mainly in it's armament from it's predecessors: 1 × 37 mm cannon, 2 × 0.50 in (12 mm) guns in the nose, and 2 × 0.50 in (12 mm) in underwing fairings under the outer wing. Other changes during the production mainly concerned it's propeller, which switched from an Aeroproducts 3-bladed model to a 4-bladed model, and back to a 3-bladed (but larger) model again. The P-39Q-30 reverted to a three-bladed propeller because the four-bladed unit worsened directional stability..
Number built: 4905
P-400 Airacobra I - P-39D for Royal Air Force, briefly called Caribou; Hispano 20 mm cannon (60 rounds) instead of the 37 mm cannon. A total of 200 were requisitioned by USAAF after Pearl Harbor; most were used for training, but some saw service in the Southwest Pacific. A number of aircraft were ordered by France or Britain, but were never delivered due to capitulation or unsatisfactory evaluation (respectively). The remainder that was used by the USAAF was re-designated to P-400, mainly because it had a different armament.
Number built: about 400
Of these, I'd go with the P-39D-1, P-39D-2, (both EW IIRC) or the P-39Q (MW?) configuration.
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'Over Russia the call "Airacobra!" was heard and dreaded by the Luftwaffe because the Soviets equipped a group made up of the best fighter aces with this type of aircraft. They painted their airplanes red and called themselves "Red Guards," and they accounted well for themselves. Hartmann, as is evident from his No.1 logbook, shot down eighteen Airacobras up to 29 October 1943. He estimates another fifteen fell to his guns before the war ended.'
-The Blond Knight of Germany (a biography of Erich Hartmann)
Looking at Hartmann's first kill logbook, two planes really seem to be the 'principle fighter' of the Soviet Union on the Eastern Front: the La-5 and the P-39.
I'd think something used in large numbers with success would be something we'd want, no?
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I don't think anything fills as many holes, but there are many things that fill much, much bigger holes.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Of these, I'd go with the P-39D-1, P-39D-2, (both EW IIRC) or the P-39Q (MW?) configuration.
I would go with the d, n and the Q. I believe they had the largest production numbers.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Karnak
I don't think anything fills as many holes, but there are many things that fill much, much bigger holes.
And how many scenario holes do they fill?
Bronk
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We desperately need the KI-43 and the Betty. Those fill huge holes in the planeset for scenarios.
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need a Pe-8 !
BTW I won't fill your hole :D
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id like to see the P39 sometime in 2011/2012 :)
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P63.
The last mass produced single engined fighter of MA quality that still is not here in AH?
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I don't get it. We have the Sturmovik, which is superior at tank busting. For any other role the P39 will be at a serious disadvantage.
-Blogs
Originally posted by Bronk
No other plane would fill as many holes.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
The p-39 can carry ords or a DTs lets see a yak-t do that. Also secondary weapons are double that of the T.
Ohh and BTW the 39 can be skinned as russian, so that's a russian fighter.
Do some reading squeaker.
Bronk
WOOHOO DT's ,and the P39 was not a russian fighter,the americans produced it and gave them to the russians because they lacked a high alt fighter.The Americans use the P39 in the pacific frount so you cant say it's a russian fighter.
simpley put the mig's or more yaks would be better to see then the P39.
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Originally posted by Bronk
And how many scenario holes do they fill?
Bronk
Scenarios is what I am refering to.
Bluntly, the P-39 does not actually fill many scenario holes as it's service was almost universally paralle to the P-40. It adds depth to our coverage.
It does not begin to fill holes like the Ki-43, G4M2, I-16-24, Yak-1, DB-3, Pe-2, Do217E/Ju188A or Wellington Mk III do.
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
WOOHOO DT's ,and the P39 was not a russian fighter,the americans produced it and gave them to the russians because they lacked a high alt fighter.The Americans use the P39 in the pacific frount so you cant say it's a russian fighter.
simpley put the mig's or more yaks would be better to see then the P39.
/agree with Bronk ,do more reading.
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Originally posted by joeblogs
I don't get it. We have the Sturmovik, which is superior at tank busting. For any other role the P39 will be at a serious disadvantage.
-Blogs
The Soviets didn't use the P-39 as a tank buster. They used it as a battlefield air superiority fighter. In that role it was very effective. Between 5k and 15k, the P-39N and P-39Q were reasonably fast with adequate climb and generally good maneuverability. These two models made about 1,420 hp @ 9,700 feet, giving them a speed (depending upon condition of the airplane) between 375 mph and 385 mph. In AH2, between 9k and 10k, that is faster than the 190A-5, 190A-8, 109G-6 and on par with the 109G-2. At that altitude it's also faster than most Yak-9 variants and on par with the La-5FN (maybe slightly faster).
The Soviets held the P-39 in high regard and many of their top aces flew the Airacobra, with more than a few preferring it to the Lavochkins.
In AH2, the P-39N/Q would be effective. It would eventually become an "experts" fighter, one that would be flown by pilots who enjoy the challenge of a mid-war fighter in the late-war arenas. The lower skilled players and noobs would still gravitate to the La-7, Spit16 and N1K2-J as these give some expectation of survival or gaining a few kills.
In the MTO, P-39 units were quite successful.
Don't sell the P-39 short... Later models were markedly better than the D models and P-400s that fought in New Guinea and the Solomons.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
Later models were markedly better than the D models and P-400s that fought in New Guinea and the Solomons.
Really ?
AFAIK, the Soviets liked P-39 because of the pilot amenities (ie. pilot protection, visibility, radio, etc.) that were not common in Soviet fighters. In terms of pure performance (speed/climb), P-39 (later or early models) was no match for La-5/7, Yak-9 or Yak-3.
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
WOOHOO DT's ,and the P39 was not a russian fighter,the americans produced it and gave them to the russians because they lacked a high alt fighter.The Americans use the P39 in the pacific frount so you cant say it's a russian fighter.
simpley put the mig's or more yaks would be better to see then the P39.
You are wrong on soooo many levels.
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hey thats what i heard.
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P39 was horrible at high alt, If I remember well it laked a two stage turbosuperubercharger, and had no chemical boosts like LW fighters had. Its a good plane but not what the US needed (range, high alt performance) so they gave them to the soviets which made good use of it, running the poor allisons at speeds that weren't on the book. When the engine was dead they just scrapped the plane and the pilot with it :D
(EDIT : The American pilots were not familiar with 37mm cannons with few ammo, so I suppose the gunnery training of pilots just for that model was a bit too much for the army. Take the average runstang pilot in AH and put him in a Yak9t by force, he'll suffer a nervous breakdown in the 30 following minutes.)
Its low level performance and that center cannon was totally fit with the russian philosophy of war. They were using planes just as a support/cover for ground battle, high alt bomber raids and high alt fighter battles mostly didn't occur. (once again there is a thread or two about it).
BTW that cannon was probably using HE rounds so busting tanks was out of question, and I don't know if you could fit AP in it..
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Originally posted by Noir
BTW that cannon was probably using HE rounds so busting tanks was out of question, and I don't know if you could fit AP in it..
Technically yes, it's the same Nudelman-Suranov NS 37 gun as in the Il2 Type3M variant.
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
*SQUEAK*hey thats what i heard.*SQUEAK*
You heard wrong, pick up a book.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Fencer51
We desperately need the KI-43 and the Betty. Those fill huge holes in the planeset for scenarios.
Oscar would be a bit nimbler than the existing A6M's, but it only had two be-be guns 2x 12.7mm x 250 rpg, or 1 x 12.7mm and 1 x 7.7mm. It was also must more fragile than the Zeke. Too easy to kill, if the pilot his-self didn't fold the wings on it while maneuvering hard. If we were seeing additional planes at a faster rate, sure, it would be a challenge to fly in War Arenas, but as planes as few and far between, this one fall way down on the list. Wouldn't the Ki 44 Shoki/Tojo or the very short legged Mitsubishi J2M "Raiden" be more interesting additions to Japanese set?
Betty would just be an easier to light on fire, slower (over 70mph slower), weaker bomber than the current Ki-67. HTC will probably avoid the Betty to avoid all the whines for the G6M1 Heavy Fighter "gunstar" option as well... and only 30 of those were made.
Could they "fill holes" for scenarios? Sure, but you'd have to find enough pilot's willing to fly those "gimped" rides in the first place. Axis sides usually fall short on numbers in most SEA events as things stand now.... situation would only get worse if they were stuck in even lower performing planes. Trying to even sides is usually a PITA for folks running a SEA walk-on event.
I also put a lot less stock in "filling holes" in historical plane sets than in adding planes that are different than what we have now and can add content or be fun: perkable 'Vader, Italian G.55, P-39 in Russian plane set, Judy for blue water set, FlaK36 for GVr's, He177 for German heavy buff ride.
Originally posted by Noir
need a Pe-8 !
BTW I won't fill your hole :D
Less than 100 Russian Heavy Bomber Pe-8's ever made. Russians did not get into strategic bombing in a big way until after WWII. In what possible situation would we "need" the Pe-8 ? The He-177 I could see, but not the Pe-8.
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Originally posted by Angus
P63. The last mass produced single engined fighter of MA quality that still is not here in AH?
Nearly 3/4 of which were sent to Russia to be used by Lend Lease agreement in their Far Eastern territories. American P63's were used as trainers and in gunnery practice. Outside of officially going up against Japanese planes in and around Korea, and unofficial actions against German planes (against Lend Lease agreement), there is not a lot of operational information and history to go with. Soviets continued to fly P-63's up through the Korean War (some reported given to North Korea at that time).
I'd much rather see the P39Q which had much more operational history to satisfy the "purists" among the players, and it would be available MW, but I could live with the King Cobra added to the game.
Originally posted by VansCrew1
WOOHOO DT's ,and the P39 was not a Russian fighter,the Americans produced it and gave them to the Russians because they lacked a high alt fighter.The Americans use the P39 in the pacific front so you cant say it's a Russian fighter. simply put the mig's or more yaks would be better to see then the P39.
It was produced by America, but the Russians put it to far better use. And the P-39 was definitely not a good high altitude fighter, which is why American and British forces didn't use it in Europe and gave most of them to the Russians. As a low to mid level fighter, the P-39 does very well (which is where much of the LW fighting is anyways. Americans' used whatever they had in the early part of the Pacific war, but as soon as they could replace P-39's with other "suitable" planes, they did so, and the rest spent time in secondary areas and as trainers.
P-39's and later P63's were a sizable chunk of the Russian VVS, so if added to the game, I believe it should be with their plane set as a nod to Sasha (second highest scoring allied ace of the war and flying P-39's) and Lend Lease.
Originally posted by Karnak
Scenarios is what I am referring to.
Bluntly, the P-39 does not actually fill many scenario holes as it's service was almost universally parallel to the P-40. It adds depth to our coverage.
It does not begin to fill holes like the Ki-43, G4M2, I-16-24, Yak-1, DB-3, Pe-2, Do217E/Ju188A or Wellington Mk III do.
P-39 was a major contributor to the Russian front as low to mid level air superiority fighter. It excelled in Russian service. I could see a scenario pitting VVS La-5's, Yak-9T's, IL-2's, Pe-2, and P-39N/Qs against German counterparts. Be more fun than underarmed Oscars, easy-to-kill Betty', mid-1930's Russian torpedo planes, or yet another EW twin engine medium bomber. Yak-3 would be a better addition than the Yak-1. Pe-2 would be a nice add to Russian plane set to compliment IL-2's.
Scenarios are fun, but underrepresented by the community. The best walk-on scenarios I've been in are fighters or fighter-attack planes facing off. The one's with buffs, dive bombers, and the like usually have a harder time getting the sides even and pilots in the right planes by percentage.
As new plane additions are few and far between, I can't see justifying the work and effort being made on planes to "fill holes" for scenario use over additions to content in the game that are different from much of what we do have now, and that can add to the fun in War Arenas.
P-39Q would be like having a Pony-B with a spud gun attached, and performing very well at low altitudes.
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Less than 100 Russian Heavy Bomber Pe-8's ever made. Russians did not get into strategic bombing in a big way until after WWII. In what possible situation would we "need" the Pe-8 ? The He-177 I could see, but not the Pe-8.
My bad I meant the Pe-2, which will give the russian planeset a decent attack plane.
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Originally posted by Noir
My bad I meant the Pe-2, which will give the russian planeset a decent attack plane.
Oh. Okay.
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DON'T let it happen again!
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Originally posted by Lusche
Technically yes, it's the same Nudelman-Suranov NS 37 gun as in the Il2 Type3M variant.
It wasn't fit with an american built cannon ?
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Oh. Okay.
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DON'T let it happen again!
LoL THAT is a stunt.
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Originally posted by Noir
It wasn't fit with an american built cannon ?
:rofl
You are right, complete brainfart on my side. Have somehow confused it with the Yak-9T for a moment... geez, I'm getting old. :o
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Originally posted by Lusche
:rofl
You are right, complete brainfart on my side. Have somehow confused it with the Yak-9T for a moment... geez, I'm getting old. :o
Well I don't know how lend lease worked, the plane could have been shiped in pieces and assembled back like a hard ikea kitchen set ! :rofl
I doesn't tell me if you could fit AP in that cannon :)
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Originally posted by Widewing
...The Soviets held the P-39 in high regard and many of their top aces flew the Airacobra, with more than a few preferring it to the Lavochkins...
Be more precise , I strongly doubt any soviet pilot preferred the p39 to the La5fn or La27
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Originally posted by straffo
Be more precise , I strongly doubt any soviet pilot preferred the p39 to the La5fn or La27
Pilot Aleksandr I. Pokryshkin Victories=59 P-39 Victories= 48
Regiment,9 GFD
Think they had to force him out of the P-39.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
Pilot Aleksandr I. Pokryshkin Victories=59 P-39 Victories= 48
Regiment,9 GFD
Think they had to force him out of the P-39.
Bronk
And most of those kills made in 1943 alone.
And that was after he'd spent some years in the I-16s and I-153 (1941 while with 55 IAP), Mig-3 (May 1941), Yak-1 (Early 1942) while his Regiment, 55 IAP, was made Guards on March 7, 1942, as 16 GIAP. Sasha also got to fly the La-5 and IL-2 (and later the La-7 and Yak-3), but IIRC not in combat.
He then trained in the P-39 and by April 1943 the 16 GIAP, together with 9 GIAP were sent again to the front. Sasha's own writings indicates he spent time in the P-63 as well, but as use of the King Cobra was officially limited to the Far East (despite a lot of evidence it was use against the Germans) that part of his career is less well documented.
At the end of the 1943 Pokryshkin had already 53 personal victories and was appointed as commander of 16 GIAP with the rank of Lieutnant Colonel. The 16 GIAP was retired from the front to complete its ranks with new pilots and planes (and where he got to test the Yak-3 and La-7 I believe).
During May 1944 Aleksandr Pokryshkin returned to the front and was promoted commander of 9 GIAD (Guards Fighter Air Division division composed by 16, 100 and 104 GIAP) which put him in a tank on a radio most of the time.
In August 1944 he was awarded the Hero of the Soviet Union for the third time, (for 550 combat sorties, 137 air fights and 53 individual victories to May 1944). His last victory was obtained on January 14, 1945, at the head of 8 x P-39's. He finished the war with 59 accredited kills (which means he was still flying combat patrols and missions after he was no longer allowed to as a commander), and an unofficial number of nearly 80.
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Originally posted by Noir
It wasn't fit with an american built cannon ?
I believe it use an Oldsmobile built 37 mm cannon
But,I'd like to see a 20mm optional loadout:aok
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Hi,
I miss the F2A, MS406, P36, I-16, Ki-43, He-111H, Do-17Z, Ju87G, Ju52, Mig3, Yak1 + 1B and the Wellington, but of course the P39 also was a rather important plane, while i would like to see more early war planes(BoF, BoB, Finnish war, early russian).
The early Spit, Hurri, 110 and 109 simply miss oponents and targets.
There is no early VVS plane, there is no early Brit bomber, there is no early german bomber(Ju88A4 and Ju87D came after BoB).
And also the P40B miss oponents, the flying tigers dont had Zeros as oponent, they fought Ki-27´s and Ki-43-I´s mainly.
For 1942-45 we have many planes available, thats why i would preffer more early planes at 1st.
btw, i also did read that the VVS pilots did prefer the P39 cause its better cockpit and weapon layout, the better protection due to the engine in the rear and a better quality all over, not cause the performence.
Greetings,
Knegel
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Originally posted by straffo
Be more precise , I strongly doubt any soviet pilot preferred the p39 to the La5fn or La27
Ask your squaddies they know a lot about this :p boulet :D
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In my reading about the Pacific theater of WW2, I've been quite surprised at how prominently the P-39 was featured, even well into the late war.
I'd like to see the P-39, but like many other planes, I think it would be more of a sideshow for hot sticks, or for AvA setups.
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Originally posted by Knegel
And also the P40B miss oponents, the flying tigers dont had Zeros as opponent, they fought Ki-27´s and Ki-43-I´s mainly.
For 1942-45 we have many planes available, thats why i would prefer more early planes at 1st.
If HTC was going to release several EW planes together ..... Brewster Buffalo, Gee Bee R-1, Fiat G.50, Macchi MC.200, Nakajima Ki-27, I-16 ..... , sure that'd be fun on various levels.
But, as new plane additions to the game are very few and far between, and since the majority of the players stay in the two LW arenas, and as adding game content is generally important to keeping players interested in paying the monthly fee to keep playing, and there are many FM updates still pending to be made to existing plane set, it's kind of hard for me to argue to additional EW planes getting any kind of priority.
And although Nate and Oscar would be the historical foes for P-40's in the Rangoon snapshot, the original rules call for a 40% Allied, 60% Axis split (IIRC) to reflect Axis superior numbers ---- what USUALLY happens is the Allies have more initial pilots --- or at best you get a 50/50 split ---- as most walk on events have the Allies favored by the players joining up to play because of the planes available.
Now, take away the Zeke, give the Axis the even more under-gunned and flimsy Nate or Oscar... you'll be very hard pressed to get enough pilots to fly Axis.... and the Axis will need their historical numbers advantage even more to make for a decent match. What is "historical" doesn't always translate well into an online game and it's player's group dynamics.
I'd love to see an influx of planes into AHII, especially the non-American and non-British planesets. The reality is this game has been around a long time. How much longer it will be around is one for marketing. How much HTC invests into the game in the future depends on expected revenues and how long things can continue. Are there any competitors our there that may introduce their own online WWII air combat game in the future? Is there an AHIII on the horizon? Will ToD see the light of day, and will it be a success or failure?
A lot of unknowns out there from our point of view as the player..
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Originally posted by morfiend
I believe it use an Oldsmobile built 37 mm cannon
But,I'd like to see a 20mm optional loadout:aok
Yep, IIRC it was the Olds built cannon, and it had a bad tendency to jam up on the pilot (something we don't experience playing the game fortunately).
Also, to maintain the CG, expended brass casing from that 37mm (and probably the 20mm's too) was kept onboard the plane. In transport/ferry flights, ballast was loaded into the ammo bins. If these things were not done, the P-39 had a higher chance of getting into a flat spin that was all but unrecoverable.
I'd settle for the 37mm if it were a P-39N with 2 X .50's (nose) and 4 X .30's (wings) , or the P-39Q with 4 X .50's (nose and wings).