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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Jackal1 on July 02, 2007, 09:17:41 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070701/wr_nm/iphone_dc
.........or he may not be able to if he has a hammer.
Never ceases to amaze me.
I think you could safely say that the competition will take care of this task for you. :)
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Iphone sucks.. touch screen loses its curiosity value in 5 minutes and gets damaged in 10.
A phone is for placing calls, if it's trying to be something else someone's fooling themselves.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Iphone sucks.. touch screen loses its curiosity value in 5 minutes and gets damaged in 10.
A phone is for placing calls, if it's trying to be something else someone's fooling themselves.
Just asking a question here but do you have one and are you speaking from personal experience? I am not saying one way or the other but IF you did then you have a right to complain about it and you also have a RECEIPT that guarantees you to getting a new one or at least BlTCHING loud enough to get your money back.
I would like to have one but I will wait on Version 2 and since I have not had any trouble with the service from Cingular/AT&T on my current phone its not going to be a problem staying with them for me.
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pcworld.com gave it some abuse by dropping it on various surfaces and scratching it with keys and they were very impressed by how much it could take without even making a mark in the screen. Sorta impressed me to see that too as i was pretty sure it would be very fragile.
http://www.pcworld.com/video/id,545-page,1-bid,0/video.html?tk=synd_macworld
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Originally posted by Reschke
Just asking a question here but do you have one and are you speaking from personal experience? I am not saying one way or the other but IF you did then you have a right to complain about it and you also have a RECEIPT that guarantees you to getting a new one or at least BlTCHING loud enough to get your money back.
I would like to have one but I will wait on Version 2 and since I have not had any trouble with the service from Cingular/AT&T on my current phone its not going to be a problem staying with them for me.
Err.. how could I have one as I don't even want it? :lol
I've seen reviews of it that were enough to convince me to steer clear of it. Touchscreen looks fancy and bling bling but in practise it sucks, trust me.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Err.. how could I have one as I don't even want it? :lol
I've seen reviews of it that were enough to convince me to steer clear of it. Touchscreen looks fancy and bling bling but in practise it sucks, trust me.
That's exactly right....There are millions of people who can't stand the iPhone after they stood in line for hours if not days to get one...(They are truly dumb a**es in my view) but that was just a stupid statement. You reading reviews are not the be all, end all definition of the success or failure in your mind of a device. I suppose you helped develop the iPhone and you know the device like the back of your hand. While you were at it you told Steve Jobs at the employee town meeting where he gave everyone at Apple an 8GB version for free that he could stuff his phone up his rear.
I can live without it but as I said I would like to have one but I am going to wait on the next version. I don't want a Blackberry, Treo or any other "smart phone" on the market to date. Just so you know the loud voices you are hearing is just a few of the vocal MINORITY that governs everything in the world today. An old truism that holds a lot of fact here is that you will not hear about the good things but only the bad and that is hyped up by the media.
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I'm not terribly impressed with "Trust me" from someone who has never actually used it. It's like being told how boring sex is by a nun.
I saw video of a few review sites dropping the iPhone from various heights with no damage other than scuffs to the edge of the case where it hit the concrete. The only place I saw where the screen broke was on Systm when they dropped it face down from shoulder height onto rough cement, pretty reasonable that it'd break there.
I heard an estimate that 500,000 iPhones were sold this weekend. If it sucks as much as Mother Ripley assures us, then we should be hearing about it anytime now. :D
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there are two ways to get rich in todays world 1) find out how to make garbage a usable fuel source for cars and 2) stick an "I" in front of anything and sell it.
its the new iPillow!!! it is smaller than normal pillows and softer! However it will not give you more sleep! It will not re-energize you faster! it will not improve your life in any way at all! the new iPillow BUY NOW!
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I heard an estimate that 500,000 iPhones were sold this weekend. If it sucks as much as Mother Ripley assures us, then we should be hearing about it anytime now. :D
no cut'n'paste functionality?
proprietery imap email client?
AJAX based web apps that can only accessed online via a slow gprs connection?
Screen that smudges?
No bluetooth A2DP functionality?
No hands free dialing?
Proprietery audio connector (recessed, requires special adapter from belkin to use standard 3.5mm plugs)?
The list is growing...
As someone else said, iphone is a good phone + ipod, but it is no smartphone or treo/blackberry killer.
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Funny thing about all the yahoos that stood on line for days here in new york is that they didn't have to. :lol
I heard on the radio today that everyone that stood on line was easily able to buy there $500 dollar phone, and there were plenty extra in stock.
suckers.
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Originally posted by Latrobe
there are two ways to get rich in todays world 1) find out how to make garbage a usable fuel source for cars and 2) stick an "I" in front of anything and sell it.
its the new iPillow!!! it is smaller than normal pillows and softer! However it will not give you more sleep! It will not re-energize you faster! it will not improve your life in any way at all! the new iPillow BUY NOW!
iCombatTour? :noid
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Originally posted by Vulcan
no cut'n'paste functionality?
proprietery imap email client?
AJAX based web apps that can only accessed online via a slow gprs connection?
Screen that smudges?
No bluetooth A2DP functionality?
No hands free dialing?
Proprietery audio connector (recessed, requires special adapter from belkin to use standard 3.5mm plugs)?
The list is growing...
As someone else said, iphone is a good phone + ipod, but it is no smartphone or treo/blackberry killer.
Exactly.. I didn't even know that it lacks basic functions like hf dial rofl!
It doesn't make iphone a good product just because a bunch of morons choose to line up in front of stores to buy a new toy. If I wanted an iphone I'd buy the chinese clone for $70. Yeah, it even has more functions than the real iphone. :aok
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I forgot, the non-removeable battery (can only be replaced by a service center).
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Except for the recessed audio connector, most of that list will hopefully be addressed by software updates shortly. That's why I haven't bought one just quite yet, I'm loathe to dump that much cash on a 1.0 product.
The screen getting dirty as a killer fault, though, is just silly. It's glass, it doesn't scratch easily (I saw people scraping it with keys on purpose, putting it into a ziploc with metal stuff and shaking it, etc) so I'd just wipe it on my shirt if I had to.
I'll probably buy when the following are resolved:
1. Hands free dialing (It's a popular request)
2. File system browser
3. It's gotten at least one hardware revision.
4. I get the ability to use it as a bluetooth modem.
Under the nice-to-have list, I'll put the 3G speed connectivity. They just bounced the speed of the data network from 40kbps to 200+kbps, but it's still kinda pokey. I'd expect to stream most of my music off of my home machine when I'm on the road, that'd be a pretty easy thing to code from scratch or to expect to see as a feature from iTunes, so I'm not worried about the 4-8 gigs limitation.
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Meanwhile I keep using my treo that has had that functionality (bar the larger screen size) for quite some time now. Thats what annoys me, the rabid apple phones claiming that iphone is the treo killer and it does stuff the treo doesn't do (when in fact it has and has done for some time).
The iphone is a superior multimedia device in some aspects but as long as you are closed to apples choices then it will never be an option for me (yes I can play divx's on my treo).
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It lacks MMS too.
Does not matter really. It will sell extremly well and I see alot of software update and additions for it in the future.
Will I buy one? no. Not because i hate apple, but because my E61i does what i need and the E90 will do even more than the E61i and better.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
no cut'n'paste functionality?
proprietery imap email client?
AJAX based web apps that can only accessed online via a slow gprs connection?
Screen that smudges?
No bluetooth A2DP functionality?
No hands free dialing?
Proprietery audio connector (recessed, requires special adapter from belkin to use standard 3.5mm plugs)?
The list is growing...
As someone else said, iphone is a good phone + ipod, but it is no smartphone or treo/blackberry killer.
Yea, but what about the Nun thing?
My experience has been quite the opposite as reported here. :aok
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Except for the recessed audio connector, most of that list will hopefully be addressed by software updates shortly. That's why I haven't bought one just quite yet, I'm loathe to dump that much cash on a 1.0 product.
The screen getting dirty as a killer fault, though, is just silly. It's glass, it doesn't scratch easily (I saw people scraping it with keys on purpose, putting it into a ziploc with metal stuff and shaking it, etc) so I'd just wipe it on my shirt if I had to.
I'll probably buy when the following are resolved:
1. Hands free dialing (It's a popular request)
2. File system browser
3. It's gotten at least one hardware revision.
4. I get the ability to use it as a bluetooth modem.
Under the nice-to-have list, I'll put the 3G speed connectivity. They just bounced the speed of the data network from 40kbps to 200+kbps, but it's still kinda pokey. I'd expect to stream most of my music off of my home machine when I'm on the road, that'd be a pretty easy thing to code from scratch or to expect to see as a feature from iTunes, so I'm not worried about the 4-8 gigs limitation.
You'll get real tired with the constant fingerprints on the big screen. At first it may seem as a no issue, when you find out you need to wipe it clean 10 times a day it starts to get annoying.
Not to even mention trying to operate one with dirty or wet hands..
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I'm not terribly impressed with "Trust me" from someone who has never actually used it. It's like being told how boring sex is by a nun.
Thanks for the sig material!:lol
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I'm not terribly impressed with "Trust me" from someone who has never actually used it. It's like being told how boring sex is by a nun.
sorry but that just plain funny, worthy of sig material:lol
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it certainly seems like a good idea for someone who wants some degree of internet browsing ability and e-mail, but doesnt want to screw around with a actual computer...
it would make a good within north america travel gadget, its cheaper than getting sirius and a wimpy GPS system, and a emergency cell phone, and a digital camera for damnit, wheres my camera moments...
but i wouldnt want one otherwise.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
You'll get real tired with the constant fingerprints on the big screen. At first it may seem as a no issue, when you find out you need to wipe it clean 10 times a day it starts to get annoying.
Salient points, except for some missing data: I use touch screens every day. I have a PDA with a touchscreen, same with my Carputer. I've used touchscreen electronics daily since the late 90s, and I've developed a technique that results in no, zip, zero fingerprint smudges on the screen.
How?! Am I a witch?
No, the technique is simple. Instead of pawing at my screen like an ape, grunting in frustration as I mash my fingers repeatedly at the button I'm trying to hit and smearing BBQ sauce everywhere, I do things slightly different. I turn my finger towards me (so I'm looking at the actual pad of my finger) and then, here's the hard part, I use the tip of the back of my fingernail to tap with high precision on the screen.
Unless your mother has trimmed your nails back all the way so you don't scratch your eyes out when you're having a fit, this should work for anyone. It's a small, clean, non-greasy "stylus" that's built into the hands of every modern human, and it works.
On the downside, it does tend to make you look slightly french. But on the other hand, this is still better than shrieking primally and throwing feces at a broken iPhone because the "spirit gods" in it had shown you disrespect in the form of a clumsy fingerprint.
Legos are what you play with when you're old enough to stop trying to swallow Duplos, and the iPhone interface is for folks who are old enough to figure out that blindly mashing their big meaty paws at things isn't always the right answer.
If you wear boxing gloves and a football helmet, however, I advise waiting until hands free dialing is supported.
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have any iPhones caught on fire yet?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Salient points, except for some missing data: I use touch screens every day. I have a PDA with a touchscreen, same with my Carputer. I've used touchscreen electronics daily since the late 90s, and I've developed a technique that results in no, zip, zero fingerprint smudges on the screen.
How?! Am I a witch?
No, the technique is simple. Instead of pawing at my screen like an ape, grunting in frustration as I mash my fingers repeatedly at the button I'm trying to hit and smearing BBQ sauce everywhere, I do things slightly different. I turn my finger towards me (so I'm looking at the actual pad of my finger) and then, here's the hard part, I use the tip of the back of my fingernail to tap with high precision on the screen.
Unless your mother has trimmed your nails back all the way so you don't scratch your eyes out when you're having a fit, this should work for anyone. It's a small, clean, non-greasy "stylus" that's built into the hands of every modern human, and it works.
On the downside, it does tend to make you look slightly french. But on the other hand, this is still better than shrieking primally and throwing feces at a broken iPhone because the "spirit gods" in it had shown you disrespect in the form of a clumsy fingerprint.
Legos are what you play with when you're old enough to stop trying to swallow Duplos, and the iPhone interface is for folks who are old enough to figure out that blindly mashing their big meaty paws at things isn't always the right answer.
If you wear boxing gloves and a football helmet, however, I advise waiting until hands free dialing is supported.
according to the wikipedia entry, the iphone does not work unless you actually poke it with your finger.
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Originally posted by vorticon
according to the wikipedia entry, the iphone does not work unless you actually poke it with your finger.
Yup, I've read a couple of review where woman complained because they couldn't use it with long fingernails. It must use one of those touchscreens that measures resistance.
Time to bail out of that burning cockpit chairboy :)
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Oh noes!
Well, I'll definitely wait until I can try one out first. I'm not in the habit of wearing Lee Press-On nails or anything, maybe the "long fingernails" had a plastic component that affected their capability, but we'll see.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Salient points, except for some missing data: I use touch screens every day. I have a PDA with a touchscreen, same with my Carputer. I've used touchscreen electronics daily since the late 90s, and I've developed a technique that results in no, zip, zero fingerprint smudges on the screen.
How?! Am I a witch?
No, the technique is simple. Instead of pawing at my screen like an ape, grunting in frustration as I mash my fingers repeatedly at the button I'm trying to hit and smearing BBQ sauce everywhere, I do things slightly different. I turn my finger towards me (so I'm looking at the actual pad of my finger) and then, here's the hard part, I use the tip of the back of my fingernail to tap with high precision on the screen.
Unless your mother has trimmed your nails back all the way so you don't scratch your eyes out when you're having a fit, this should work for anyone. It's a small, clean, non-greasy "stylus" that's built into the hands of every modern human, and it works.
On the downside, it does tend to make you look slightly french. But on the other hand, this is still better than shrieking primally and throwing feces at a broken iPhone because the "spirit gods" in it had shown you disrespect in the form of a clumsy fingerprint.
Legos are what you play with when you're old enough to stop trying to swallow Duplos, and the iPhone interface is for folks who are old enough to figure out that blindly mashing their big meaty paws at things isn't always the right answer.
If you wear boxing gloves and a football helmet, however, I advise waiting until hands free dialing is supported.
Well if using it requires some special awkward technique then it can't be too convenient in the end now can it?
Nokia N95 provides 10x more functions (including 3G) and with conventional buttons too. HSPDA (3x3G speed) caller independent hands-free call functions.. 5Mpixel camera..
All iphone has is design. Not a strong win even there tho.
(http://www.textually.org/picturephoning/archives/images/set2/nokian95.jpg)
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Awkward? It's not awkward, it's very straight forward. It works on all of the capacitance touch screens I have, I wonder if the iPhone is really different.
If the method I described is too complicated for you, then perhaps you're right, maybe a phone with buttons _is_ the right answer.
Edit: Hold on a second here....
Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
IA phone is for placing calls, if it's trying to be something else someone's fooling themselves.
This seems at odds with your post immediately above describing the virtues of the $700 Nokia N95. Explain?
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i have a cell phone, i use it to talk to people.
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Originally posted by john9001
i have a cell phone, i use it to talk to people.
huh? ... sorta like a telephone only without a wire? :huh
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Originally posted by Nilsen
huh? ... sorta like a telephone only without a wire? :huh
there also a poor choice for knocking out intruders.
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Why do people camp for 4 days in front of a store when my 2 year old dinosaur seems to provide the same functionalities? ... what's so revolutionary about it that I don't know about? It's surely not the price.
(http://www.pocketpclouisville.com/images/XV6600/contents_e.jpg)
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Awkward? It's not awkward, it's very straight forward. It works on all of the capacitance touch screens I have, I wonder if the iPhone is really different.
Could be something new, remember this is one of those new touchies that detects multiple contacts, so I'm not sure how it works exactly.
You do have to be firm with your touches, and you can't use your fingernails (or gloves). At the same time, the multi-touch screen works best if your hands are clean and dry; if you've got oily skin, plan on washing your hands a lot to get the best experience with the iPhone. If your hands aren't clean/dry you'll find that the gestures don't always react exactly how you'd like them to, the device is still usable but there's a measurable difference between using it with clean/dry hands vs. oily hands.
from here: http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3027&p=5
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Maybe Apple does better in marketting their products?
Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Why do people camp for 4 days in front of a store when my 2 year old dinosaur seems to provide the same functionalities? ... what's so revolutionary about it that I don't know about? It's surely not the price.
(http://www.pocketpclouisville.com/images/XV6600/contents_e.jpg)
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I know im prolly just being noid, but having windows on my cellphone too kinda gives me the creeps;) Windows Mobile 6 is supposed to be really good, but it doesnt make me feel good to have it on such an important thing as my phone. The Nokia Series 60 is not wihout its faults either, but atlast its not Mircrosoft trying to get control of one more part of your life :D
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Yeah a guy I used to work with had to switch from a PalmOS Treo to a WindowsOS Treo, he hated it, it just wasn't as well designed a solution.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Well if using it requires some special awkward technique then it can't be too convenient in the end now can it?
Nokia N95 provides 10x more functions (including 3G) and with conventional buttons too. HSPDA (3x3G speed) caller independent hands-free call functions.. 5Mpixel camera..
All iphone has is design. Not a strong win even there tho.
(http://www.textually.org/picturephoning/archives/images/set2/nokian95.jpg)
More functions yes, but the N95 build quality is not the best ive seen and for the money you have to part with to get the N95 you should expect better. The N95 has GPS but it has performed poorly in tests.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Awkward? It's not awkward, it's very straight forward. It works on all of the capacitance touch screens I have, I wonder if the iPhone is really different.
If the method I described is too complicated for you, then perhaps you're right, maybe a phone with buttons _is_ the right answer.
Edit: Hold on a second here....
This seems at odds with your post immediately above describing the virtues of the $700 Nokia N95. Explain?
You're right, I'd never buy a N95 myself. I have the 9300 communicator now and I never use any of its functions (except GPS which is really good). All those extra functions do is complicate the phone in the end. But if you want a friggin TOY instead of a phone, N95 beats iphone hands tied.
Benefon Io is still the most convenient phone I ever owned. Every function was instant fast and it had the best word interpreter for text messages I've yet seen 10 years after.
I used it for 3 years, droped it several times. My kid drueled saliva on it enough to temporarily disable it. I got so pissed off that I threw the phone 5m away on the grass. The phone has sat unused in the desk for another few years but it still works like new.. except for the battery which no longer holds charge. In retrospect I should have bought 10 replacement batteries to the phone instead of 'upgrading' it. No phone after that has come close in ease of use and comfort.
(http://www.mobilebulgaria.com/uploads/mobiles/2004/01/pic_3_318.jpg)
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w00t? the 9300 communicator has GPS now? Have they fixted the rest of it? Last time i tried it it was the slowest phone on the market by a huge margin
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Originally posted by Nilsen
w00t? the 9300 communicator has GPS now? Have they fixted the rest of it? Last time i tried it it was the slowest phone on the market by a huge margin
The slowness is there and I hate it. Luckyly that doesn't matter much as I never use any of the functions anyway. But the GPS is third party and it works great. It needs an external GPS bluetooth device and a software on memorycard in order to work. I use Navicore GPS. It works great in finland and it can even show you the locations of the automatic speed traps on the road (warns 500 meters before you drive to the trap).
The only reason I accepted to take the communicator for work was because at the time it had the largest display available for GPS use.
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ah i see..
Have you had the chase to test the E90 yet?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
ah i see..
Have you had the chase to test the E90 yet?
Not personally but I've seen it in use. It seems ok I guess.. for a toy phone. :cool:
I'm thinking if I should start hunting for a replacement battery for that Io..
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Yeah a guy I used to work with had to switch from a PalmOS Treo to a WindowsOS Treo, he hated it, it just wasn't as well designed a solution.
It was the reverse for me, I went thru 3 Treos before I switched to this one. I has much more options, the Treo just kept freezing ... all 3 of them :mad:
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As a wise man said so eloquently.
"There's a Sucker born every minute."
I have a Sync....does exactly what I need it to do. Communicate.