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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 2bighorn on July 02, 2007, 09:46:42 AM
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Grapevine Wire:
Lockheed to develop new plane for SAPP
Burbank based Lockheed Corporation on Monday announced an agreement to collaborate with SAPP on future programs "centered on the improving existing P-38 models." Lockheed said details will be announced later this year -- possibly at Aces High Convention in Grapevine, TX. "We think the new 4 engine design may provide a very worthwhile improvement for many of SAPP pilots," said Lockheed Vice President of Propeller Airlines Division Allan Loughead. "We have had discussions with SAPP union for some time, and we think the time is right to move forward."
Proposed changes:
-Enlarged wing and fuselage
-Departure from Twin-Boom design
-Triple tail
-Pressurized cabin
-Improved yoke
-TOOBT System (Take Off Once Bail Twice)
-2 x Allison V-1710 to be replaced with 4 x R-3350 Duplex-Cyclone
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/C-69.jpg/784px-C-69.jpg)
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easily one of the most elegant designs ever.
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No doubt.
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pffft!
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Originally posted by storch
easily one of the most elegant designs ever.
I agree. SAPP will love it.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
I agree. SAPP will love it.
I think lacklack will if you get it with downward pointing .50's from the cockpit back to the tail. he won't need to dive down from the lacklackosphere then.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Improved yoke
:lol
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2.........................fun ny!:rofl
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lol
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It's easy to see the reason behind BH's posts regarding SAPP and the P-38....
He's jealous, plain and simple. Envy and jealousy will rot your heart BH and cause you to do things you wouldn't normally do (like attack the most beautiful plane ever built). Don't be like Cain.
;)
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No way it looks too much like a cargo plane. It doesnt even have the booms. :furious :mad: :furious :mad:
Now wheres my 38H and 38L superstrafer. :furious :mad:
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Fork-Tailed Devil :)
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Originally posted by Fianna
He's jealous, plain and simple.
After I've read the following article, yes, I am jealous. ;)
By Run C. Picker
GRAPEVINE POST-INTELLIGENCER AEROSPACE REPORTER
Program delay of the P-38/XYZ irks SAPP
New plane is 6 months late
LATE WAR MAIN ARENA -- Fianna, yoke chief executive of SAPP, had a new business card printed this year, with the logo, "SAPP - First to Fly P-38/XYZ in 2007."
He may need a new card.
Even though it will be tight, Fianna said he is still aiming to have the airliner in service before the end of 2007, after Lockheed had just confirmed to him that the plane will be delivered in the first quarter of next year -- six months late.
"This is serious," Fianna said in an interview.
"Our lawyers are talking with their lawyers," he said of Lockheed.
In the next week, he expects to have something in writing from Lockheed that will spell out the new delivery date.
"It concerns us," Guppy35, lace executive of SAPP, said in an interview. The first of a dozen P-38/XYZs ordered by SAPP won't arrive until April 2008. It was supposed to be delivered in October 2007.
"We are not pleased at all, and we have let Lockheed know that we are not pleased," he said.
Lockheed Vice President of Propeller Airlines Division Allan Loughead said in an interview that he was embarrassed about the delays, but he attributed it, in part, to the new specification on the P-38/XYZ sought by SAPP.
"They are dramatically changing the flying experience," he said. "When every SAPP pilot dramatically changes the interior, and each is different than the other, that's a lot more engineering that is required."
Early on, Lockheed had touted the P-38/XYZ as a flying cruise ship, even calling it the "eighth wonder of the world."
Loughead kidded that "sheep crates" didn't make the final cut when SAPP decided what kinds of amenities they wanted in their planes. But the degree of customization was still significant, he said.
SAPP have said little publicly about all the new features in their P-38/XYZ because they do not want to give away secrets. They have said that in a standard configuration, their P-38/XYZs will feature bungee cords to accommodate multiple bails per sortie.
But Fianna said it would be wrong to pin the delay just on SAPP requirements.
"It is true, this being the first new aircraft design in more than two weeks, we are trying to do something dramatic in the way of ergonomics and comfort," he said. "Perhaps that has caused Lockheed to underestimate the amount of adaptation and engineering detail. But to attribute it all to SAPP specifications is, I would suggest, less than the full picture.
"But to be fair to Lockheed," Fianna added, "this happens on new aircraft programs."
Lockheed's Loughead said all the delay talk will be forgotten once the P-38/XYZ is in service.
"When you have an airplane that is going to be changing the face of AH Arenas for the next 40 or 50 weeks, after these planes get delivered, no one will remember they were delivered a few months late," he said.
Loughead said that when he met with Fianna to talk about the delay, Fianna made it clear he needed his P-38/XYZ immediately.
"He was telling me last night that this airplane changes the Aces High experience," Loughead said. "This airplane gives him a substantial advantage over his competition. That's nice to hear after you have invested more than two weeks in building it."
Updates to follow...
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This reminds me of the days when people used to write stuff like this about the Nomads.
Good reading, please continue Bighorn, I am really enjoying it. :)
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
"They are dramatically changing the flying experience," he said. "When every SAPP pilot dramatically changes the interior, and each is different than the other, that's a lot more engineering that is required."
They have said that in a standard configuration, their P-38/XYZs will feature bungee cords to accommodate multiple bails per sortie.
So, what is wrong with having shag carpeting on walls of the cockpit? It goes with my purple pimp jacket.
The bungie cords are enabled in the P38s we have now, with that and duct tape it allows us to re-up after being shot down.
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Does 2Bighorn now quailfy as the first official SAPP groupie? :)
BTW no bungie cord on my 38. I like to ride the wreckage in :aok
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You did forget some important information that was discovered by Leland Blair of the real wartime 80th FS Headhunters.
It was Blair who figured out you could get 58 bottles of scotch in a P38.
This is clearly important to consider when talking about the most important fighters of WW2. What other fighter can claim that? :)
And this wasn't drop tanks filled either. This was internal storage.
Gotta love how Lockheed thought of the welfare of it's pilots first:aok
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Originally posted by Guppy35
You did forget some important information that was discovered by Leland Blair of the real wartime 80th FS Headhunters.
It was Blair who figured out you could get 58 bottles of scotch in a P38.
This is clearly important to consider when talking about the most important fighters of WW2. What other fighter can claim that? :)
And this wasn't drop tanks filled either. This was internal storage.
Gotta love how Lockheed thought of the welfare of it's pilots first:aok
jeeezzzzzz!!! quite Dan !!! That was the idea behind the redesign ! Instead of talking "bottles" we will be talking cases! :D
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
jeeezzzzzz!!! quite Dan !!! That was the idea behind the redesign ! Instead of talking "bottles" we will be talking cases! :D
Shhh!!!! That's the new SAPP design, the Lockheed Lubricator for delivering supplies to the most important operational building at the front.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/861_1152950405_tbar.jpg)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Does 2Bighorn now quailfy as the first official SAPP groupie? :)
Not quite yet :D
BTW, this just hit the wire:
SAPP's new P-38/XYZ faces additional delay
Lockheed would likely face an additional two weeks delay in the delivery of the P-38/XYZ fuzzyliner to SAPP, SAPP's internal memo reported on Monday.
Guppy35, lace executive of SAPP, said they had been informed by Lockheed on a "new delivery schedule caused by SAPP's yoke specification and confusion among Lockheed's suppliers" for the new P-38/XYZ and was waiting for details but declined to further elaborate on the issue.
Photo from the SAPP internal memo:
(http://sierra-host.net/bb/yoke.jpg)
Update to follow...
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And what other fighter plane from WW2 came with it's own built in bar?
I'm sorry that you guys just don't get why the 38 is such a good bird :)
For the trivia buffs, note that the 38 tail in the photo is the 38 built right after the well known Glacier Girl, the restored P38F. Her serial is 17630
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/38bar.jpg)
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Not quite yet :D
BTW, this just hit the wire:
Update to follow...
What have you been doing in Silat's closet?
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Originally posted by Guppy35
What have you been doing in Silat's closet?
Sir, I'm just a messenger :D
Sir, comment on latest media reports concerning SAPP's fuzzyliner?
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where are the canons..
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Originally posted by Guppy35
What have you been doing in Silat's closet?
ROFL
This is good news, I know of a least one person that could use this to swoop down and pick up a whole flock of sheep, instead of one by one. I want the last yoke, you know, the one with the HUUGE cup holders, that one will work out nice:) just noticed, in the middle a place to hold a shot glass, also a nice touch.
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"I have a statement regarding the latest reports on the delay in deliveries of the P38XYZ Fuzzyliner.
The delays in shipments are true. But SAPP feels the delays will be well worth the wait as making sure the quality of the shag carpeting, and the right type of fuzzy dice hanging from the rear view mirror is important.
We don't want to short change ourselves on quality.
The Bungi chord is in fact an option available to individual pilots but does not come standard.
As reported by one of the SAPP execs, Delirium, the purple pimp jacket will be standard, as will the Margarita blender designed by SAPP member Shuffler. There are other features we felt vital that are too numerous to mention that will also be included in the new Fuzzyliner.
We are looking forward to it's arrival.
On a side note, Lockheed did make good on a promise to deliver the first SAPP P38RS (Rumble Seat) version. This was a SAPP request to allow two pilots to share time flying allowing for longer flights and less wear and tear on the pilots. The rumble seat is actually a recliner. The cockpit while having a second set of controls, also has the SAPP Shuffler Margarita Blender, big screen TV and stocked refrigerator for those long flights where a guy needs to take things easy.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/P38RS.jpg)
That completes the SAPP statement on the delay in Fuzzyliner deliveries.
Any questions?
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:rofl I could swear this thing couldn't get any uglier, but I was soooo wrong!
Any questions?
Thank you, sir!
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Does 2Bighorn now quailfy as the first official SAPP groupie? :)
BTW no bungie cord on my 38. I like to ride the wreckage in :aok
You misunderstand me, the bungie cord is to keep the wing attached after the bird takes too many hits.
Besides, a chute wouldn't fit in my purple pimp jacket.
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Originally posted by pluck
ROFL
This is good news, I know of a least one person that could use this to swoop down and pick up a whole flock of sheep, instead of one by one. I want the last yoke, you know, the one with the HUUGE cup holders, that one will work out nice:) just noticed, in the middle a place to hold a shot glass, also a nice touch.
I'm partial to the lace ones. Looks like they'll keep my hands warm up way in the ionosphere.
ack-ack
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Silat ...... Whats he doing with the Birthday Present I Gave you :mad: :mad: :t
Crims
479th Raiders FG
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2Bighorn gives us too much credit. He is making assumptions that we are in some way or form organized, with executive officers of whatnot.
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Originally posted by Raptor
2Bighorn gives us too much credit. He is making assumptions that we are in some way or form organized, with executive officers of whatnot.
Its tuff to hear Orders at 25K with No headset :rofl
Crims
479th Raiders FG
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Originally posted by crims
Its tuff to hear Orders at 25K with No headset :rofl
Crims
479th Raiders FG
That's the reason for SAPP Executive Order 5.897498390876322, which clearly states due to lack of radios in SAPP modified P-38s, all communications between pilots will be done using Charades.
ack-ack