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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Silat on July 02, 2007, 12:02:44 PM
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Im assuming a 22 using rat shot is what I want. Any recommendations for the brand of revolver to look for?
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Try a cinder block
shamus
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shovel or garden hoe work for me, I have a friend that uses a pellet rifle.
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Tippmann A-5
http://www.tippmann.com/product_guide/markerDetails.aspx?categoryid=1
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Shotgun?!
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Lawnmower
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
*chop klunk crunch splatter*
Use a rider if you can. Snake guts arent fun when they are splattering on your legs
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Don't know anything about it other than it exists...
http://www.bondarms.com/ (http://www.bondarms.com/)
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Weedeaters work too. :D
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They make a 22 round with very small shot. You have to get close, as they are not very accurate.
But a stick,broom handle, garden hoe work best. Unless you are scared of snakes. :D
Frodo
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Originally posted by whiteman
shovel or garden hoe work for me, I have a friend that uses a pellet rifle.
My wife is 4-0 against snakes in the yard with a hoe. We've come across four snakes this year while working in the yard, before I can determine if they are poisonous or not........ THUNK!!! Judy whacks them in half with the hoe. The last time it happened I said " Hey baby don't do that so quick. Let me determine if it's a good snake".
"It's a good snake now" she said." :lol
Last Saturday I went out to the shed to get birdseed for the feeders. The shed was full of mice who had torn into the bird seed bag. I'm hiding the hoe.:aok
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What kind of snakes are they?
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The first one was a Copperhead, a good kill IMO.
The last three have just been what people call gopher snakes around here. Nonpoisonous rodent eaters. We've had a lot of rain this Spring and Summer, it's driving them out more.
Silat, I don't know if this is actually works or if it's just old legend. My father taught me while hunting as a boy. If you have a rifle and stick it out towards the snake. The snake will raise it's head right in front of the barrel as if to strike. making your shot easier. I never tried it. I rather shoot at one with a rifle or shotgun than get close with a pistol though. Espeically if your talking rattlesnakes, or cottonmouths.
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Why do you want to kill snakes?
Most people who get bitten by snakes are people who are trying to kill them. But since you're in portland oregon that's not really an issue.
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Originally posted by Suave
Why do you want to kill snakes?
Most people who get bitten by snakes are people who are trying to kill them. But since you're in portland oregon that's not really an issue.
LOL.. Not a real snake hunter amongst you:)
Its for a friend in Texas.
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Originally posted by Silat
LOL.. Not a real snake hunter amongst you:)
Its for a friend in Texas.
Sheesh save yourself some money. I got a hoe I'll sell you for cheap.:D
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Stop calling "Squeakers" snakes !!! Do you have no respect for those snakes.
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Texas. Ah now it makes sense.
Why do mexicans all hate snakes? I wonder if it's genetic. Hope he's got medical insurance, although I doubt it. And I certainly hope he's not one of my neighbors, I can really envision one of those handsomehunkes asking for advice on which gun is best for killing snakes.
If I ever shot a snake, my dad would've ran outside to see wtf was going on, then he would've taken the gun away from me and brained me with it.
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no need to fear snakes, leave them alone they are providing rodent control.
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I prefer the shovel.
I have some wildlife rules with my sons. Here's the one about snakes:
If it's a snake, you can keep it until it comes out of the box for you to play with ~ at that time it gets killed.
They didn't believe it even after I killed their first snake... it took several times. Shovel worked great each time.
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Originally posted by Suave
Texas. Ah now it makes sense.
Why do mexicans all hate snakes? I wonder if it's genetic. Hope he's got medical insurance, although I doubt it. And I certainly hope he's not one of my neighbors, I can really envision one of those handsomehunkes asking for advice on which gun is best for killing snakes.
If I ever shot a snake, my dad would've ran outside to see wtf was going on, then he would've taken the gun away from me and brained me with it.
What a Maroon.
.22 ratshot can kill a small snake. It will just ****off larger ones (yeah, that's what you want). I suggest a .410 shotgun. You don't have to have perfect aim plus it gets the job done cheap and fun.
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Originally posted by Shifty
My wife is 4-0 against snakes in the yard with a hoe. We've come across four snakes this year while working in the yard, before I can determine if they are poisonous or not........ THUNK!!! Judy whacks them in half with the hoe. The last time it happened I said " Hey baby don't do that so quick. Let me determine if it's a good snake".
"It's a good snake now" she said." :lol
Last Saturday I went out to the shed to get birdseed for the feeders. The shed was full of mice who had torn into the bird seed bag. I'm hiding the hoe.:aok
:rofl Verrrry funny Shifty!
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Get a cat. No mice, no snakes, no problem.
Oh, I sort of agree with your wife Shifty. The only good snake is a size 12 1/2D Tony Lama.
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got rattlesnakes like crazy up here in washington..i have used bird shot 22 rounds..they work great for snakes:) there weak anuff were you dont have to worry about any pellets coming back at you..and plenty strong anuff to kill a snake at 10 foot range ..we have killed them with regular bullets..but i dont like to do that much..shooting point blank at the ground with slugs isnt the brightest idea somtimes..lol..the best snake killer pistol made is proubly magum research 410..shoots 410 shotgun shells...i kinda like rifles my self..think if i had to pick a rilfe for a snake killer and all around gun..i would get a over under config with 44 mag or 357 on top and 20 gage or 410 on the bottom.
i only known one person who got bit by a rattle snake here...one of my cousins..he allmost died and had horse serum injections at the hospital. they told him,,50% chance the snake venom will kill you..50% chance the horse serum will...lol..he took the chance with the horse..lol
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We use a .38 Special revolver. We got a nice rattlesnake that we unfortunately couldn't collect after dispatching.
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Seriously though, have you ever known an ethnic who didn't have an odd fear of reptiles ?
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Originally posted by rpm
Get a cat. No mice, no snakes, no problem.
Get a boa, no cat, no mice, no problem.
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Originally posted by Suave
Seriously though, have you ever known an ethnic who didn't have an odd fear of reptiles ?
Why don't you just call 'em Darkies or Wetbacks? No point in hiding under that sheet.
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This is the first time I've ever upset somebody by not saying a racial slur.
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Oh, but you conveyed the point so well.
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Which was ?
BTW, do you think wetback is worse than saying illegal alien ?
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Is calling them Darkies as bad as using the "N" word? Racism is wrong, period. It was a racist statement.
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So calling someone an illegal alien, or an ethnic, is racism. Wow.
Is that as bad as pointing out a demographically disproportionate fear of reptiles ?
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Originally posted by Suave
Seriously though, have you ever known an ethnic who didn't have an odd fear of reptiles ?
I hate to break this to you... That is a highly racist statement.
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another race or races.
Originally posted by Suave
Why do mexicans all hate snakes? I wonder if it's genetic.
Do you rent or did you buy your sheet?
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Originally posted by rpm
Get a cat. No mice, no snakes, no problem.
Oh, I sort of agree with your wife Shifty. The only good snake is a size 12 1/2D Tony Lama.
Sweetest woman I ever met, unless you're a snake.:lol
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Originally posted by Shifty
Sweetest woman I ever met, unless you're a snake.:lol
I can't wait to tell her she's an ethnic!!!:rofl
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Originally posted by rpm
I hate to break this to you... That is a highly racist statement.
Do you rent or did you buy your sheet?
First, it's not a statement, it's a question.
In your experience do filipinos, black americans, and to a lesser extent latin americans have a relatively inordinant fear of snakes?
I know, i know, it's a horribly horribly racists question, but humor me please.
Carefull, if you answer yes, you're a racist.
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Originally posted by Shifty
I can't wait to tell her she's an ethnic!!!:rofl
We all are ethnic.
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Originally posted by Suave
First, it's not a statement, it's a question.
In your experience do filipinos, black americans, and to a lesser extent latin americans have a relatively inordinant fear of snakes?
I know, i know, it's a horribly horribly racists question, but humor me please.
Carefull, if you answer yes, you're a racist.
Guess I'm safe. The answer is no. I've honestly never seen any hispanics, african-americans,filipinos or even jews (you want to know about "them" too, right?) have a group snake phobia. I have seen some white people that are overtly fond of them during church. Does that make me an illegal alien?
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Well at least you're honest about it.
When you get to Belize adopt a pet boa and show it around to all your indeginous neighbors, they'll all think that it's a really cool pet.
Honest.
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You really think illegal alien is a racist slur ?
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I may start a mongoose farm down there. I've hated snakes all my life.
I must be ethnic.
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You are.
By the way, if somebody answers yes to my question does that make them a racist ?
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Suave, it's calling them "ethnics" instead of people. You're implying the group you belong to is somehow superior to every other group by genetic design. It may have just been a freudian slip, it may have been just me. But it didn't look pretty.
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We are all ethnic. So yes I do find it funny that you think the word ethnic is a racial slur. I like to use that word alot because it tricks people into revealing things about themselves that they otherwise might not.
And if I called them people that is no more descriptive than ethnic, you still wouldn't have known who I was talking about.
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Originally posted by Suave
This is the first time I've ever upset somebody by not saying a racial slur.
You forget where you are lol
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Suave...you can't say wetback in one post and ethnic in another with the same context and try to pass it off as a "trick". We know what you meant. Don't backpedal.
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Originally posted by rpm
Guess I'm safe. The answer is no. I've honestly never seen any hispanics, african-americans,filipinos or even jews (you want to know about "them" too, right?) have a group snake phobia. I have seen some white people that are overtly fond of them during church. Does that make me an illegal alien?
When did you ever see a snake in church? Smacks of religiophobia to me.
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Originally posted by RightF00T
Suave...you can't say wetback in one post and ethnic in another with the same context and try to pass it off as a "trick". We know what you meant. Don't backpedal.
I didn't say wetback, rpm did.
He seems to think wetback is a racial slur, I allways thought it meant illegal alien.
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BTW, what did you know that I meant?
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Got a suggestion fer ya: It's illegal to kill any wildlife native to the USA unless there is a season for it, and then only during that season.
Leave the snakes alone, they don't do any harm, they kill almost 1,000,000 rats and mice a year (enough to cover a 1 acre field 10 ft deep), and they generally try to avoid humans. Oh, and they make excellent pets, I've had several over the years, they require feeding only twice a week, a little water, and you have a pet for several years. Winter hibernation required for some species in some areas. And why would someone kill a snake that is nonvenemous anyways, it's a waste of energy, lead, and time. And around here, it's a good waste of your hand and your backside fer a few weeks, till that rock salt quits stinging and you quit whining. Oh, and a waste of your money, it's a $1000 fine to kill one. Left up to me, you would be in debt fer ten years. But that's just me.
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rpm said...
"According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another race or races."
so if you were to say that negroes have denser bones than whites you would be a racist? if you said that they get sickle cell you would be a racist? Damn... pretty hard to not be a racist under that definition. Anyone who believes that whites and blacks are inferior or superior in some types of sports are racists?
I guess we need to have more affirmative action in sports to stop all the racism eh rpm?
I don't like snakes.. if the only thing they are good for is killing mice then cats are better and we can do away with all the nasty frigging snakes.
I worked with an "ethnic" one time and we were painting a house.... he came around the corner screaming like a girl. I asked him what the problem was and he said "snake".
My buddy laughed and said there were no poisonous snakes in the area.. it couldn't hurt him. the "ethnic" said... "yeah but they is like ghosts... they make you hurt yourself."
I understand him.. they creep me out. they were probly the family pet left by aliens eons ago... or god dumped em here to punish us. I kill every one I see... nature shows asside.
lazs
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I keep fer a pet every one I see, venemous or not. I had a pet copperhead (they usually aren't venomous enough to kill, what used to kill people were the treatments used for the bite, (ie. bloodletting, lots of alchohol, which led to internal bleeding), the copperhead very rarely injects enough venom to kill a normal person.), but I had to let it go. Mice got in the feed again, so I put it in the barn. Snakes are not slimy, they are not filthy, and they only make you hurt yourself when you are an idiot and run into things to get away from them. I also have a pet black widow spider, (also does not usually kill people, the treatments killed them, from the same reason of the copperhead treatment, lots of achohol and bloodletting, and they bled to death internally and externally). People who are afraid of things smaller than themselves are idiots in me book.
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My FIL lives in the desert in California, got a trio of constrictors live in his yard...oddly enough, no rodents in the yard..........they dont bother us, we dont bother them..........and yep, they aint small......(not horse sized either obviously).....rattlers on the other hand........dont dig them much, but only see them on the road early in the morning warming up.....approach them from behind, shuffle your feet to induce vibrations - they go on their way, you can go on yours...no big deals..........snakes do sorta taste like chicken tho.....:cool: (allegedly)
Oh, and he has some of the biggest black widows I've ever seen, absolutely beautiful in a odd sort of way.........
Wurzel
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Yes, black widows are very beautiful in their own way. I have one that is pretty big, but I saw one out in the field one time that was really huge, almost an inch across the abdomen, not counting the legs and head.
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Wow, nice size spider........last time we were across (wife and I live in England) we emptied out his hot tub to give it a clean n whatnot.........course, poured all the water out.........lots of holes........saw all this wet stuff disappearing down what was obviously quite a deep one........all of a sudden, out popped a big assed scorpion.....lol....picked it up by the sting.....took it outside the yard, let it go...........did my best not to run back into the yard screaming like a little girl.......;) ......pale yellow colour......very pretty in a perverse sort of way..........did want to keep him, but wife wasnt having any of that one..lol.....no sense of adventure some people...:aok
Wurzel
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Originally posted by McFarland
Yes, black widows are very beautiful in their own way. I have one that is pretty big, but I saw one out in the field one time that was really huge, almost an inch across the abdomen, not counting the legs and head.
Black Widows are beautiful. There are spiders in Texas that sorta resemble them and I didn't realize I had never seen one until I saw one in Nevada. Was almost mesmerizing.
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Yeah, I've been trying to find a scorpion here, (yes, there are scorpions in Tennessee, two species) but no luck so far. I wish I could travel to Florida and get a Red Widow (Google it), they are very beautiful. They look like living ruby.
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Damn, had I known ya wanted one, I'd have wrapped him up n sent him on his way....lol....(dunno if he'd have survived tho, i'm a bit clubhanded)...
will check out the Red Widow when I get up after me night shift.........12 hours spent looking at puter screens to try to figure out whats gone wrong this time...ho hum......
Wurzel
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Spiders are beautiful and friendly....especially when I'm crawling around under the house trying to fix a plumbing leak.
There's no experience quite like looking down from one's work and finding a large arachnid resting on one's abdomen.
I mash 'em....unless they're carrying a dead rat between their teeth.
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Spider's don't bother me, I let them live in my house as long as they're not too creepy looking.
Spider webs DO bother me. First time I went walking through a texas forest I had to hold one of my trekking poles out in front of me like I was in JOTC checking for trip wires or something.
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Went for a ride one summer night just to see if any deer were stirring.
Drove down the gravel road of our deer lease. The webs of orb-weaver spiders were stretched from tree to tree all the way across the road. I drove through so many it made the skin crawl. You could see the spiders in the headlights, hanging in mid-air.
Some started to crawl across the hood and cab of the truck. Had to roll up the window to keep them out. Had to wash the truck the next morning to get the webs off.
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Never understood why folks want to kill snakes so badly. They really do help control rodents and such. We used to use snake tongs on the farm for venemous ones, put them in a trash barrel and haul them off a ways.
My dad was actually bitten by a copperhead when he was young but we grew up without the fear of snakes.
However, I'm not a big spider fan.
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Originally posted by rogwar
Never understood why folks want to kill snakes so badly. They really do help control rodents and such. We used to use snake tongs on the farm for venemous ones, put them in a trash barrel and haul them off a ways.
My dad was actually bitten by a copperhead when he was young but we grew up without the fear of snakes.
However, I'm not a big spider fan.
I don't care too much one way or the other about killing them. All the times I've killed snakes it was entirely for the benefit of teaching the kids that if I tell them something ('don't take the snakes out of the box to play with them or I'll kill it') I mean it.
I will kill a spider just to kill it. I'm not a fan of them either (yeah, yeah, I know they keep the bugs down, etc, etc, etc).
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Here's a Fox Snake I caught in our garage last month and the blog I wrote about his visit:
Snake in our Garage
From the intensity of Svea's screams last Saturday evening we were afraid that something very terrible had happened; I expected to see a severed limb when I ran into the garage. Instead I saw my oldest daughter (the one who wanted to be a veterinarian) standing completely intact, yet paralyzed, in the middle of the garage floor. Her terror ridden face was screaming at a wee little snake was slithering away from her. I'm sure he found her shrieks painfully loud and just wanted to get away. I scooped him up and then put him in a clear glass vase. We observed him and researched his type on the Internet. Joan called her cousin, Park Ranger Dave, down the street. He drove down to take a look and confirmed that we had a Fox Snake. I'd say he was about 3/8 of an inch in diameter and about 10 inches long. We watched him try to escape while we ate dinner and discussed the best place to let him go. Although it had only been a matter of minutes since Svea had been screaming for her dear life in fear of being eaten by this micro reptile, she was now in tears at the thought of parting with her dear new "pet". We explained that he belonged outside. We explained to her how we would feel if aliens had kidnapped her and wanted to keep her as a pet simply because they thought she was cute. Eventually she accepted the situation for what it was.
(http://hallbuzz.com/images/2007/jun/snake_in_vase.jpg)
Here he is inside the glass vase.
(http://hallbuzz.com/images/2007/jun/snake_in_garden.jpg)
We let him go in the garden so that we could get a good look at him before he disappeared into the plant life. In this picture, his tail can be seen at the bottom of the vase.
(http://hallbuzz.com/images/2007/jun/snake_in_grass.jpg)
No, those really aren't giant blades of grass. Note the forked tongue!
A movie of him being released:
http://hallbuzz.com/movies/2007/fox_snake.wmv
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I still need advise on a revolver that will use rat shot. And these are coral snakes.
:)
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Originally posted by rpm
Guess I'm safe. The answer is no. I've honestly never seen any hispanics, african-americans,filipinos or even jews (you want to know about "them" too, right?) have a group snake phobia. I have seen some white people that are overtly fond of them during church. Does that make me an illegal alien?
RPM its only Ahrightwingers that have group phobias :)
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.
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Rogwar, man that is pretty......but what is it? (we dont get things like that over here in England - which is probably a good thing as they'd be killed on sight..........)
Wurzel
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Wow, nice giant centipede! We don't have those around here that big, but we do have smaller ones. I know that some of the larger centipedes can be deadly, but most of the ones around here only bother the smaller insects and small animals. And yeah, coral snakes are venomous, but generally they won't bite unless picked up.
We have some fox snakes around here, but I haven't seen any in a long while. Haven't seen any snakes in some time. Nice photography, you should go professional. :aok
I found a spider underneath me house here just a short while ago, big as me hand. I'm keeping her in a large terrarium I made from an old plastic storgae box. It is a large nursery web spider, biggest one I've ever seen, almost 5 inches across counting the legs.
Originally posted by gpwurzel
Damn, had I known ya wanted one, I'd have wrapped him up n sent him on his way....lol....(dunno if he'd have survived tho, i'm a bit clubhanded)...
will check out the Red Widow when I get up after me night shift.........12 hours spent looking at puter screens to try to figure out whats gone wrong this time...ho hum......
Wurzel
Wow, 12 hours?!! I did that one time, me eyes hurt for all the next day.
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Originally posted by gpwurzel
Rogwar, man that is pretty......but what is it? (we dont get things like that over here in England - which is probably a good thing as they'd be killed on sight..........)
Wurzel
Killed on sight? i would run far far away and hide!
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44Mag with rat shot=410 close up:cool:
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Originally posted by Silat
I still need advise on a revolver that will use rat shot. And these are coral snakes.
:)
get one that can use .410 shotgun shells.
http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224667
if you insist on .22 cal. , the longer barrel and magnum is better. has about 10 ft range. IMO too close. read this for some more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_shot
someone posted a link to vids of a guy testing a lot of different guns and ammo. .22 ratshot didn't do a whole lot. wayyy too weak IMO.
info on coral snakes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_snakes
some of yall, sound like yall part of these people. weirdos IMO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_handling)
snakebites can kill http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakebite , and avoid dead snakes, read the wiki article to find out why.
though I wouldn't stake my life on wiki articles, it can be a good place to start when researching something.
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I aint no snake handler, they are idiots. And yes, snakebites can kill, but not those of the copperhead, it will make you very sick, and swell your arm, but it generally won't kill you. They don't inject enough venom (when they do inject venom) to kill you. You sound like an ignorant coward who thinks the only good snake is a dead one. If you don't want to be within ten feet of a snake, you are a coward. I have picked up copperheads with me bare hands, and I have handled black widows. They will try to get away if you let them, and they will usually inject very little venom, for they need it for hunting.
Originally posted by DieAz
if you insist on .22 cal. , the longer barrel and magnum is better. has about 10 ft range. IMO too close.
:rofl You are a coward.
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some estimates put the number at 2.5 million bites, resulting in perhaps 125,000 deaths.[1] Worldwide, snakebites occur most frequently in the summer season, especially during the months of April and September, when snakes are active and humans are outdoors.[1] Agricultural and tropical regions report more snakebites than anywhere else.[2] Victims are typically male and between 17 and 27 years of age.[1]
A late 1950s study estimated that 45,000 snakebites occur each year in the United States.[2] Despite this large number, only 7,000 to 8,000 of those snakebites are actually caused by venomous snakes, resulting in an average of 10 deaths.[3][4] This puts the chance of survival at roughly 499 out of 500. The majority of bites in the United States occur in the southwestern part of the country, in part because rattlesnake populations in the eastern states are much lower.[3]
Most snakebite related deaths in the United States are attributed to eastern and western diamondback rattlesnake bites. Children and the elderly are most likely to die (Gold & Wingert 1994). The state of North Carolina has the highest frequency of reported snakebites, averaging approximately 19 bites per 100,000 persons. The national average is roughly 4 bites per 100,000 persons.[4]
Most snakebites are caused by non-venomous snakes. Of the roughly 3,000 known species of snake found worldwide, only 15 percent are considered dangerous to humans.[5] Snakes are found on every continent except Antarctica. The most diverse and widely distributed snake family, the Colubrids, has only a few members which are harmful to humans. Of the 120 known indigenous snake species in North America, only 20 are venomous to human beings, all belonging to the families Viperidae and Elapidae.[5] However, every state except Maine, Alaska, and Hawaii is home to at least one of 20 venomous snake species.[6]
Since the act of delivering venom is completely voluntary, all venomous snakes are capable of biting without injecting venom into their victim. Such snakes will often deliver such a "dry bite" (about 50% of the time)[7] rather than waste their venom on a creature too large for them to eat.
As you can see, the chances of dying from a snakebite is very minimal. You are more likely to die from the concusion of running away from it into a tree.
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Originally posted by Deth7
44Mag with rat shot=410 close up:cool:
not quite.
more like .44 mag ratshot = 1/3 or 1/2 of a .410
oh found this http://www.castbullet.com/reload/44shot.htm < I might do this for fun.
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Coral snakes are not aggressive or prone to biting however, and account for less than a single percent of the number of snake bites each year in the United States. Most coral snake bites occur because of accidental handling of the snake while engaged in an activity like gardening.
Due to the small size of coral snakes, along with their having much smaller fangs than pit vipers, bites are frequently ineffective and have some difficulty penetrating shoes or even thick clothing. This along with the fact that coral snakes are not aggressive creatures and reclusive makes bites quite rare. However, coral snakes are highly venomous, being the only relative of the cobra found in the New World. Despite their relatively small size, their venom is a powerful neurotoxin, quite capable of killing an adult human. No deaths related to coral snake bites have been reported in the United States since coral snake antivenin became available. Before that time, the estimated case fatality rate was 10%.
You're right, wikipedia is a good source.
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ive killed 4 rattlers in the last month while at my famalies in ca go figure:rolleyes:
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Lol, I've dived with and handled sea snakes, gorgeous colours and actually not aggresive at all......definitely ones to be respected .....given they tend to be more venomous etc......they are very curious as well.......must admit one made me jump and produce lots of bubbles when it appeared in the front of my mask.........as for killing rattlers..each to their own, i prefer to help them decide to move elsewhere.......without getting bitten, if that means i have to pick them up and carry them.....no worries....prefer not to....but will if required..never been bitten yet........(and no, dont want there to be a first time). And Eskimo, that is a beautiful little snake....gotta love constrictors..........good job on moving it on without scaring your daughters etc
Wurzel:aok
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Originally posted by McFarland
I aint no snake handler, they are idiots.
I have picked up copperheads with me bare hands,
You sound like an ignorant coward
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some folks prefer not to voluntarily go for the Darwin Awards.
And that Murphy's Law is always lurking about.
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Originally posted by Silat
I still need advise on a revolver that will use rat shot. And these are coral snakes.
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Lew, best bet is a Ruger Single Six with the extra .22 Mag cylinder. We're obviously dealing with a neophyte shooter here, so a single action revolver being the most foolproof in operation is safest. It is also pretty much indestructible, nice fit and finish, and reasonably priced. The magnum loads are considerably stronger than the standard LR, so you practice cheap and hit hard for effect.
~edit~ TO ADD A LINK (http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdResults?function=famid&famid=14&variation=Blued%20Convertible&bct=Yes&type=Revolver)
NR-6 is the best all-round, NR-9 is best if you can handle how long it is. I've owned both and love 'em, great little shooters.
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Originally posted by DieAz
some folks prefer not to voluntarily go for the Darwin Awards.
And that Murphy's Law is always lurking about.
I know that they will not kill me if they do bite me. And it's smart to pick them up right behind the head, so they can't bite you anyways. And picking up snakes with your bare hands is not being a snake handler, a snake handler does it in church and says God will protect them. Even though it says in the Bible not to do such things. I am a herpetologist, and an entomologist. I know what I am doing. And someone who does not want to be within ten feet of any snake is a coward. And you obvously don't know much aboot what you're talking aboot. And that makes you ignorant.
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you keep calling me, who, when I was 4 years old, tried to pet a copperhead, a coward.
I wouldn't want to be closer than 10 ft while provoking it with .22 ratshot, I'd rather not get bit.
not everyone carries anti-venom. and some people are fatally allergic to venoms. a single honey bee sting is fatal to some.
you keep on with your statistics of low death rates from snake bites. some people rather not be a statistic.
and all the preaching you spout about it won't change the fact, some people rather kill a snake than find out if they are the one in a gazillion that will die from getting bit.
I for one agree a human life is worth more than a snake's life. even if that snake was the last of it's species.
you like playing with snakes, then play with them.
Originally posted by McFarland
And you obvously don't know much aboot what you're talking aboot. And that makes you ignorant.
Yawn and you earned your place with lazerboy/sailor on the ignore list.
sorry for this hijack.
[Newsflash] this a gun thread, Dr. IluvSnakes (IRtehSmarts) McFarland [/Newsflash]
back to the topic
as for the Ruger .22 single six yep it is a nice one. .22 mag ratshot is a lot better than the .22 long rifle ratshot. might be good enough for coral snakes, but wouldn't use it on rattlesnakes unless using solid nose long rifle or .22 mag solid nose ammo, aiming for the head shot.
as far I know ratshot ammo is made in .22 long rifle, .22 magnum, 9mm, .38 special/.357 mag, .44 mag, .45 acp.
at http://www.cabelas.com / search "ammo", click handgun ammo, scroll down click CCI Pistol Shotshell ammo , it is availible in a couple more calibers.
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Ni, I'm not "Dr. I love snakes", but I do beleive they are important for the environment. I have been bitten by black widows. I know that some people are allergic, but those are few and far between. If a snake was the last of it's species, I would try to create more of it through genetic cloning, so that they may not go extinct. Once a species is extinct, it cannot be brought back. A rather sad fact. I value all life, be it snake, man, or anything else, and I understand that sometimes you have to kill something to protect someone, but the problem is that if you kill it, more will come. It is better to just relocate them. The end of time will be soon anyways, I guess it can't be stopped no matter how hard one tries.
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A small short barreled shotgun?
When you have pets and little kids, you don't want them in the garden or?
Luckily, where I live, it's too cold for them, so no snakes. Just the pink ones :D
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Silat your a genius,
You get guns and snakes into the same thread and it's bound for a million posts.
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mcfarland... I don't really want to see a child killed by a rattlesnake. If I want to get rid of mice I will use the most efficient means.. a cat.
A cat is also good for getting rid of most snakes too. Anyone who likes to play with poisonous snakes and spiders and such has a screw loose. I don't think it has much to do with cowardice or bravery or whatever..
As for the 44 mag.. you can get speer shot caps and load em yourself.. with the right shot you can get about a half an ounce of shot in em.
When I lived in nevada we had to drive quite a bit on blm roads to get there... I kept the 44 in a holster velcroed to the kick panel first two rounds were shot caps the rest solids. I killed about 4 large rattlesnakes a month that were lying on the dirt road... stop the jeep... pull 44... boom.. snake did not even wiggle. My partner wanted the rattles. he would pick up the snake with a stick to check but they were always dead.
44 with speer shot caps and, if I recall... #9 shot.. seat the plug way out to get another bit of shot... good to about 15 feet.
I have been bit twice by black widows.. it is not pleasant. I am not afraid of em but I am cautious around em and step on em or otherwise kill em when I see em... they are a very fragile spider.. daddy longleggs spiders kill em.
lazs
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If I knew there was only one snake left I would kill it.
I have also been shooting some colibri gallery rounds in the house.. 22's fired by the primer... 20 grain slug at 500 fps. that would be a good "yard snake killer" I even think the speer plastic bullets for 44 would be good.
lazs
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Wow, not only is laz afraid of snakes, but he's a cat person.
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yep.. I think everyone who has ever lived in the country is a "cat person" or just stupid. cats are very efficient rodent killers.. nothing compares.
At work I am on 500 acres surrounded by farms... the mice are unreal destructive to equipment. We have two cats.. they are locked in at night and the mice problem has gone away.. when we first got em it looked like a slaughterhouse the next morning when we unlocked the doors.. and for weeks after. they killed so many that they couldn't even eat em anymore.
but snakes? what is the point? I am sure they were simply left behind by some alien tourist to the planet.
lazs
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Have you hugged your snake today? :D
As far as I`m concerned snakes have only two uses.
Tony Lama can make a nice pair of boots out of them and in the case of the rattlesnake it makes a mighty tasty snack if fried correctly.
Well..............they are good for target practice, so I`ll make that three.
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Get a mangoose as pet, the most impresive fight to death inbetwen 2 creature, one always dies at the end
from LiveLeak.com
Mangoose vs Cobra (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1e9_1178013278)
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jakal... got to admit.. they are good target practice and there is some ornamental use for their skins.
lazs
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LOL, while I feel lucky to be not surrounded by snakes, poisoned spiders (or gun-toting imbeciles), I feel myself absolutely in the park of Lasz and Jacka1.
Just takes a little bit of imagination. My 1 year old in the garden and a naugty poisoned snake.
I'd be fast oooout with a hosepipe/broomstick and the 12".
Same goes with cats. Cats are a necessity.
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Originally posted by lazs2
yep.. I think everyone who has ever lived in the country is a "cat person" or just stupid. cats are very efficient rodent killers.. nothing compares.
At work I am on 500 acres surrounded by farms... the mice are unreal destructive to equipment. We have two cats.. they are locked in at night and the mice problem has gone away.. when we first got em it looked like a slaughterhouse the next morning when we unlocked the doors.. and for weeks after. they killed so many that they couldn't even eat em anymore.
but snakes? what is the point? I am sure they were simply left behind by some alien tourist to the planet.
lazs
Mine leaves me the bodies. She's so considerate.
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I don't like cats for that reason: They kill just for fun and sport, not for food. Snakes only kill to eat. And snakes are good, if it weren't for snakes, we would be overun with rats and mice. As for DieAz ignoring me, he is just too stuck up to listen to any other opinion than his, and he thinks he's always right. Killing for sport is just stupid, and a waste. I live in the country, and cats aren't a neccessity. Dogs are, cats aren't. And no, daddy long legs do not kill black widows or any other spider. They have no venom at all, they mostly eat dead things and plants. That is pure myth that they are venomous, they aren't even a type of spider. They are in a group all their own, called harvestmen.
Originally posted by Suave
Wow, not only is laz afraid of snakes, but he's a cat person.
Very well said.
These harmless-to-people arachnids are known for their exceptionally long walking legs, compared to body size. The difference between harvestmen and spiders is that in harvestmen the two main body sections (the abdomen with ten segments and cephalothorax, or prosoma and opisthosoma) are nearly joined, so that they appear to be one oval structure; they also have no venom or silk glands.
From wikipedia.
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"I don't like cats for that reason: They kill just for fun and sport, not for food."
Well, a well balanced barn with cats and rodents alike will actually be otherwise.
They will first kill for food, then for practise, if they're any good that is.
(Just got myself 2 little kittens for the barn job)
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Exactly me point. Cats are the only animal in the world that kill just for the fun of it. Or "practise" as you call it. And exactly, "a little bit of imagination". If you teach your kids not to mess with snakes, they won't. If you teach them. You must teach them to respect them, not go around killing every one they see like maniac mass murderers, but to just leave them alone. Leave a snake alone, it will leave you alone. The only exception to this may be cobras, when they are guarding a nest. And pythons that are actually big enough to eat you. Many a time I have almost stepped on a snake, actually touching it with me shoe, and then watched it crawl off. It didn't even try to bite me, it just wanted to leave. Same goes with most spiders, and most other animals.
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Originally posted by McFarland
Exactly me point. Cats are the only animal in the world that kill just for the fun of it. Or "practise" as you call it.
Yep, they are cool animals. Predators. They keep the vermin and snakes down around their area. A must if on the farm or if you have outbuildings.
You must teach them to respect them, not go around killing every one they see like maniac mass murderers, but to just leave them alone.
I taught mine to snuff every one of the bastiges they saw. Gun powder...It does a snake good. :)
Leave a snake alone, it will leave you alone. The only exception to this may be cobras, when they are guarding a nest.
Horse flop!
Here we have the Cotton mouth water moccasin. Very, very aggressive. You enter an area in which they consider theirs and they will come for you in a heartbeat. The problem is they consider any area they happen to be in at the time theirs. Very venomous. Screw em....BOOM.....good snake.
The same can be said for the copperhead during breeding and before hibernation times. No sense of humor whatsoever. BOOM....good snake.
Many a time I have almost stepped on a snake, actually touching it with me shoe, and then watched it crawl off. It didn't even try to bite me, it just wanted to leave.
Yea...snakes are cute and cuddly alright. I have had a cottonmouth`s fangs embedded and tangled in the buckskin of my boots for walking past an area within a few feet of the slithering bullseyes. BOOM.....good snake.
Due to the recent flooding in this area , people are being warned to take precautions against snakes and possible snakebites. BOOM..........good snake.
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Well then in your view point.....
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Originally posted by McFarland
Exactly me point. Cats are the only animal in the world that kill just for the fun of it. Or "practise" as you call it.
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Yep, they are cool people. Predators. They keep the vermin and people down around their area. A must if on the farm or if you have outbuildings.
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You must teach them to respect them, not go around killing every one they see like maniac mass murderers, but to just leave them alone.
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I taught mine to snuff every one of the humans they saw. Gun powder...It does a man good.
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Leave a snake alone, it will leave you alone. The only exception to this may be cobras, when they are guarding a nest.
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Horse flop!
Here we have people. Very, very aggressive. You enter an area in which they consider theirs and they will come for you in a heartbeat. The problem is they consider any area they happen to be in at the time theirs. Very jealous. Screw em....BOOM.....good person.
The same can be said for the people during breeding and before hibernation times. No sense of humor whatsoever. BOOM.... good person.
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Many a time I have almost stepped on a snake, actually touching it with me shoe, and then watched it crawl off. It didn't even try to bite me, it just wanted to leave.
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Yea...people are cute and cuddly alright. I have had a man's fist embedded in me face for walking past an area within a few feet of the slithering jerks. BOOM.....good person.
Due to the recent population explosion in this area , snakes are being warned to take precautions against people. BOOM..........good person.
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Originally posted by McFarland
Exactly me point. Cats are the only animal in the world that kill just for the fun of it. Or "practise" as you call it. And exactly, "a little bit of imagination". If you teach your kids not to mess with snakes, they won't. If you teach them. You must teach them to respect them, not go around killing every one they see like maniac mass murderers, but to just leave them alone. Leave a snake alone, it will leave you alone. The only exception to this may be cobras, when they are guarding a nest. And pythons that are actually big enough to eat you. Many a time I have almost stepped on a snake, actually touching it with me shoe, and then watched it crawl off. It didn't even try to bite me, it just wanted to leave. Same goes with most spiders, and most other animals.
Wrong.
want a list?
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Oh yeah, there's another..... PEOPLE.
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Originally posted by McFarland
Well then in your view point.....
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Originally posted by McFarland
Exactly me point. Cats are the only animal in the world that kill just for the fun of it. Or "practise" as you call it.
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Yep, they are cool people. Predators. They keep the vermin and people down around their area. A must if on the farm or if you have outbuildings.
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You must teach them to respect them, not go around killing every one they see like maniac mass murderers, but to just leave them alone.
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I taught mine to snuff every one of the humans they saw. Gun powder...It does a man good.
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Leave a snake alone, it will leave you alone. The only exception to this may be cobras, when they are guarding a nest.
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Horse flop!
Here we have people. Very, very aggressive. You enter an area in which they consider theirs and they will come for you in a heartbeat. The problem is they consider any area they happen to be in at the time theirs. Very jealous. Screw em....BOOM.....good person.
The same can be said for the people during breeding and before hibernation times. No sense of humor whatsoever. BOOM.... good person.
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Many a time I have almost stepped on a snake, actually touching it with me shoe, and then watched it crawl off. It didn't even try to bite me, it just wanted to leave.
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Yea...people are cute and cuddly alright. I have had a man's fist embedded in me face for walking past an area within a few feet of the slithering jerks. BOOM.....good person.
Due to the recent population explosion in this area , snakes are being warned to take precautions against people. BOOM..........good person.
Houston we have a problem. :rofl
Take your Ritalin and get under the bed till the boys in white come for you. It will be okie dokie.
:noid :noid :noid
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Originally posted by McFarland
Oh yeah, there's another..... PEOPLE.
Minks. Put the cats to shame.
Snakes allso kill a prey they cannot consume.
Lots of mammals will also kill you since you pose some kind of a threat. You may be a threat to an ugly old grizzly. Or a big bull.
Haven't entered the world of the sea yet.
Anyway. Less people are actually killed in the USA by snakes than in Europe. And speaking of statistics, it is as a total some 500 times likely to be shot to death in the USA than bitten to death by a snake.
But as all, depends where you are, and lots of incidents too, - in USA & Canada some 45.000 registered bites, 6500 envenomations.
In Oceanea you have 200 dead every year.
So, If I had by kids where there's a lot of snakes, say especially in a town or city/suburb where the numbers of them can be fought, I'd have a nice weapon of some sort for it. Or a counter-animal :D
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I'd rather have mice than cats.
For one thing they **** less and cat's don't breed fast enough to sustain a good snake population.
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yes well I live on a lake which is in a developed area that was formerly the eastern everglades. our lake is directly connected to the snake river which flows directly from the everglades. this brings all manner of critters right into our subdivision.
we have water moccasin we have rattlesnakes and we have countless other snakes as well. I keep the lakeshore free of vegetation to discourage the watersnakes from seeking ambush cover on my property.
I have yet to shoot any species of snake because I consider them far more beneficial than harmful.
we teach our grandkids and their friends to be aware of where they play, they know that there are critters who will kill them that aren't just snakes. I'm more concerned with gators than I am with the snakes.
The cats do a good enough enough job of keeping the place free of reptiles and rodents on land, the snakes nail them by the lakeshore.
this place has lots and lots of rodents, I like the snakes.
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LOL... all we got to do is leave the snakes alone and study em so we know which are the good ones and which are the bad ones and hope to christ they don't kill the toddlers? because....
because they kill a few rodents.
And this makes em better than cats? cats are killing machines. they don't bother you at all... there are no venemous cats and cats (unlike dogs) will not attack people.
If there are too many cats in an area they are easy to shoot.
The really good thing about cats... and angus will appreciate this...
When you have cats you don't have snakes... first they kill all the small snakes in the area... it is fun to watch... then, they kill all the food for the snakes. there are no mice left in the area. Their are also no snakes in the cats area.
cats kill rodents better than snakes...
cats aren't venomous... not a one of em.. worst thing is rabies and that is probly less chance with cats than dogs.
cats don't attack people.
cats kill snakes.
excess cats can be trapped or shot eaisily.
What's not to like?
snake simply need to be extinct along with the goth morons who raise em and play with em.
I have never met a person who was into snakes and spiders who wasn't a total social loser. Think about it... have you guys ever met a snake person? frigging whack jobs.
lazs
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Hmmm....would I prefer my kids to play with cats or snakes......definitely cats. Would I prefer to educate my kids about snakes, or just teach them to shoot them on sight.............definitely educate.....each to their own however, those are just my preferences..........my wife lost her last cat to a constrictor.....poor little guy was blind in 1 eye, his tongue didnt fit his mouth as he had a cleft or something, and he only had 3 legs.....(no, his name wasnt lucky lol)........think everyone differs in how they react to snakes, spiders etc...personally I find them fascinating, but always treat them with respect.....I've moved a couple of rattlers out of my FIL's yard, no big deal, but they dont come in there often enough to be a problem. The yard is kept clean, so they have nowhere to hide to be close enough to get startled etc (FIL is limited in vision).
Wurzel
Lazs, does that make me a social loser? :cool: (Sorry, just couldnt resist it...;) )
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Originally posted by lazs2
And this makes em better than cats? cats are killing machines. they don't bother you at all... there are no venemous cats and cats (unlike dogs) will not attack people.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl I've seen more cats attack people than I have dogs. A cat attacked me little brother once. A cat attacked me once, and it found itself kicked to the front yard from the back.
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And snakes kill more rats and mice and other harmfull small animals each year than cats do. The amount of rodents that a snake eats in one year, if piled up in a field, would cover a one acre field 10 feet deep. A cat would hardly cover it 2 feet deep. And cats kill for the fun of it. The only other animal that kills just for fun is people. All other animals kill only in self defence or for food. I like snakes and spiders, and I have more friends than I care to count. And I'm not a goth, I'm a normal person. And excess cats can't always be killed if they are causing problems. Cats are the main problem on some Pacific islands, including Guam, for extinction. The native wildlife had no predators before, and the cats are wiping them out. One species of sparrow was wiped out by cats. Several other species have been. Many others are very threatened by them.
Originally posted by Angus
Less people are actually killed in the USA by snakes than in Europe. And speaking of statistics, it is as a total some 500 times likely to be shot to death in the USA than bitten to death by a snake.
But as all, depends where you are, and lots of incidents too, - in USA & Canada some 45.000 registered bites, 6500 envenomations.
And of those 6500 envenomations, only 100 or so died. Snakes rarely inject enough venom to kill when they do inject venom. And even if they do inject a lot of venom, there are antivenoms for them now.
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Horse flop!
Here we have people. Very, very aggressive. You enter an area in which they consider theirs and they will come for you in a heartbeat. The problem is they consider any area they happen to be in at the time theirs. Very jealous. Screw em....BOOM.....good person.
The same can be said for the people during breeding and before hibernation times. No sense of humor whatsoever. BOOM.... good person.
Yea...people are cute and cuddly alright. I have had a man's fist embedded in me face for walking past an area within a few feet of the slithering jerks. BOOM.....good person.
Due to the recent population explosion in this area , snakes are being warned to take precautions against people. BOOM..........good person.
Read it really well, is it not true? People act just like I have described them here. If you would look at it, people do act this way. When a snake acts the same way, you think it is wrong. Well then, people act wrongly. Should they be shot? In some cases, yes. But not always. The same applies to snakes. And other animals. Just leave them alone, or relocate them when they are in the way or might endanger someone. And now we are finding uses for venoms. A compound in copperhead venom has been found to actually help cure cancer. A compound in puffer fish toxin has been found to alleviate pain from chronic pain conditions. The Austrailan funnel web spider's venom actually has components that are species specific, and can be used for pesticides, as they don't harm other organisms or pollute water, and they are biodegradable. The venom of the Gila monster has a component that can help patients woth diabetes. All these things are found in venoms, and they can help to save lives. The natural world is full of miracles and cures, who knows what we will find next?
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I TOTALLY GO WITH WHAT LAZS SAID ABOUT THE CATS. :aok
And McFarland:
What the devil is with this:
"And snakes kill more rats and mice and other harmfull small animals each year than cats do. The amount of rodents that a snake eats in one year, if piled up in a field, would cover a one acre field 10 feet deep. A cat would hardly cover it 2 feet deep."
And what is supposed to be? A joke?
Youre saying that a snake eats some 12.000 cubic metres of rodents pr. year??????????????????????
(1 acre = 4.500 sq.m. x 10 feet (rough 3 metres) = 13.725 cubic metres to be exact) WOW, that's a snake I wouldn't want to meet without a cannon!!!! Cos the critter eats some 30 tonnes a day!!!!
Now providing you meant sq.foot or yard or any other small measure, you're still saying that a snake eats mice at 5 times the rate a cat kills them (without even eating them all)
A cat weights some 1 kg, and is a rather lively warm blooded animal. Again, even with careful calculations, you say that the snake eats maybe 10 times as much (say the cat still eats every other mouse). That is also a snake I'd not like to meet!
Would you want venomous snakes to keep your barn clean? Pity about curious puppies, kittens, chicken and even lambs if it was THAT snake :D
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mcfarland.. you are so full of it..
There can be areas where there are both snakes and vermin but not vermin and cats... cats kill dozens of mice a night. Recent studies where cats.. domestic cats.. were followed and filmed with night vision showed the astounding amount of critters a cat kills at night.
I have counted the corpses that were not eaten by our work cats and it comes to a dozen or more in a night.. no snake eats that many mice... mostly they eat one a week or so.
In order to equal what a cat kills the ground would have to be alive with snakes.
gp... no.. I think you are pretty logical. I don't think that you have aquariums full of venemous and constrictor snakes in your home tho do you? Whack jobs do. snake handlers and bizzare splinter sects of chritianity. Goth a holes. devil worshipers and other losers.
As for people... it is against the law to kill em for no good reason. You can kill the really aggressive ones tho if you have good reason.
fortunately... snakes are a freebie... kill em all. we can let mcfarland examine the corpses and decide which ones were the harmless ones.
I have heard that snakes aren't "dirty" but... ever go to a house where some whackjob raises reptiles? what the hell is that smell? Maybe it is just them... maybe all snake people smell bad?
lazs
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Anyway.... a 44 revolver with the first two rounds shot caps and the rest solids works well.
I have never seen even a large rattler not die to a shot cap from a 44. Single action Rugers are light and handy but the new scandium Smiths are down to like 20 ounces... the recoil would be mild with a shot cap but, from experiance... it is brutal with solids.
I reload.. I have killed many a snake with solids... 250 grain cast lead semi wadcutters.. they cut a snake in half. shot works better tho.. not as much wiggle after.
Angus.. cats will kill snakes.. they kill the young ones. I work on 500 acres surrounded by farmland that is constantly worked.. there are mice and there are snakes... the snakes do nothing to stop the mice. In the area near my shop and office and equipment it is about 5 acres.. we have two cats. There is not a snake or a mouse to be found.
lazs
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cats sure do kill snakes and snakes kill cats as well.
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They're are only three types of "cat people". Women, witches, and emotional men. Which one are you?
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Originally posted by -Concho-
Silat your a genius,
You get guns and snakes into the same thread and it's bound for a million posts.
Who would have thought:)
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Originally posted by lazs2
mcfarland.. you are so full of it..
:aok Without a doubt. :)
Got to watch out for them attack cats. :lol
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Remember Johnny Carson and Sophia Loren ?
(muhahaha :D)
Anyway, no sense going after snakes in your back yards with bloody 44's loaded with a bullet?
Sometimes they bounce and carry on untill they hit something.....
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Can you say Bazooka?
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Can you say Bazooka?
can you say BFG? (http://www.aircraftguru.com/aircraft-videos/show-aircraft-videos.php?v_id=39) :aok
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Lmao, find the last 2 options make an awful mess of my borders....wont someone please think of the flowers.......errr, hold on, disregard that...lol...
Wurzel
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Originally posted by lazs2
LOL... all we got to do is leave the snakes alone and study em so we know which are the good ones and which are the bad ones and hope to christ they don't kill the toddlers? because....
because they kill a few rodents.
And this makes em better than cats? cats are killing machines. they don't bother you at all... there are no venemous cats and cats (unlike dogs) will not attack people.
If there are too many cats in an area they are easy to shoot.
The really good thing about cats... and angus will appreciate this...
When you have cats you don't have snakes... first they kill all the small snakes in the area... it is fun to watch... then, they kill all the food for the snakes. there are no mice left in the area. Their are also no snakes in the cats area.
cats kill rodents better than snakes...
cats aren't venomous... not a one of em.. worst thing is rabies and that is probly less chance with cats than dogs.
cats don't attack people.
cats kill snakes.
excess cats can be trapped or shot eaisily.
What's not to like?
snake simply need to be extinct along with the goth morons who raise em and play with em.
I have never met a person who was into snakes and spiders who wasn't a total social loser. Think about it... have you guys ever met a snake person? frigging whack jobs.
lazs
LOL...never mind that cats carry a multitude of diseases, ranging from feline distemper all the way up to bubonic plague, which can directly cross over to humans by way of parasites. As well, feral cats cannot be controlled no matter what you think you can do. Ask a little town in florida, Boca Raton, and a school by name of FAU about it. They've been battling feral cats for 30 years now. They've tried poison...unsuccessful. They trapped... unsuccessful. They even shot....nope.
I, for one, not being a nutjob who keeps snakes, nor particulaly likes them, would rather have them around. Most of their parasites and disease cannot transfer to mammals...cuz they are reptiles.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
LOL...never mind that cats carry a multitude of diseases, ranging from feline distemper all the way up to bubonic plague, which can directly cross over to humans by way of parasites. As well, feral cats cannot be controlled no matter what you think you can do. Ask a little town in florida, Boca Raton, and a school by name of FAU about it. They've been battling feral cats for 30 years now. They've tried poison...unsuccessful. They trapped... unsuccessful. They even shot....nope.
I, for one, not being a nutjob who keeps snakes, nor particulaly likes them, would rather have them around. Most of their parasites and disease cannot transfer to mammals...cuz they are reptiles.
Haven't you been paying attention to current events??? According to some posters on these boards, we have the power to change the climate and ecosystem of an entire planet! What could possibly make you think we can't handle some cats if we put our minds to it? If someone is getting over run with feral cats, they haven't been using the correct methods of extermination.:D
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Sorry, I left out a 0 on the end of that. 10 snakes against 10 cats. In one year. And it's a 100 sq. ft. area, 10x10. I read the page wrong, the one acre thing was how much they multiplied in one year. And yes, it is illegal to snakes. It is illegal to kill any snakes that are native to the US. And it is easy to tell the difference between a venomous snake and a non venomous species. Venomous species have slit pupils, going up and down. Non venomous species have round pupils. And snakes aren't dirty, anything kept in a cage will smell. If I locked you in a room, without a toilet and a shower, you would stink after some time too. And if you look at what I wrote, people act just like I described them, they are jealous, will punch you for the fun of it, and shoot you for the fun of it (and you sound like one of these people who just like shooting things to watch them die). And yes, cats do attack people. More so than dogs. Cats are tempermental, catch them in a bad mood, they'll try to claw your eyes out. And they kill for no reason. They will kill just to be killing. The only other animal that does that is people. All other animals kill in self defence or for food. And many diseases and parasites can transfer from cats to people. Ask a vet. And no, cats can't be controlled as easily as you think. Many Pacific islands are having problems with cats, but they can't get rid of them cause they breed too fast and they are very good at hiding. The cats are killing the native wildlife, and have caused the extinction of many species. Snakes are a problem on some islands too, but they have been more successfully controlled.
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Originally posted by FBBone
Haven't you been paying attention to current events??? According to some posters on these boards, we have the power to change the climate and ecosystem of an entire planet! What could possibly make you think we can't handle some cats if we put our minds to it? If someone is getting over run with feral cats, they haven't been using the correct methods of extermination.:D
It is not an over-run, but more of a long term presence of feral cats, no matter what is done, they are always there. Once an organism is introduced, it is very difficult to remove, if it proves able to live in an environment. It is much easier to eradicate all the species in one area than a particular one.
It may well be easier to effect a climactic change than eradicating a pest species such as feral cats, that are so well adapted to the niche they occupy.
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Originally posted by McFarland
And if you look at what I wrote, people act just like I described them, they are jealous, will punch you for the fun of it
Since you are having so much trouble with people punching you for the fun of it,..............and the attack cat thingy:), may I suggest that you try the Joe Weider course. Back when I was a kid the adds were in all of the comic books. You should be familiar with that.
Do big bullies kick sand in your face when you go to the beach? :rofl
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Originally posted by McFarland
Many Pacific islands are having problems with cats, but they can't get rid of them cause they breed too fast and they are very good at hiding. The cats are killing the native wildlife, and have caused the extinction of many species. Snakes are a problem on some islands too, but they have been more successfully controlled.
Feral cats, ferrets, stoats, rats and possums do the damage in NZ. None of them are native so they are all fair game and plenty of time and money is spent on trying to control their numbers. If not, they would wipe out the native bird life.
A .22 magnum rifle is effective on feral cats, it's not too big and noisy yet it can reach out and tag a cautous moggy. They are voracious killers so I don't have any problems bumping them off when they cross my path.
Dunno about snakes, cause we havn't got any.. not a single one, even in the zoos. It's illegal to import them in to the country.
But we nearly had some "legless lizards" once, a local zoo was going to import them. It almost worked too.
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Originally posted by Excel1
Feral cats, ferrets, stoats, rats and possums do the damage in NZ. None of them are native so they are all fair game and plenty of time and money is spent on trying to control their numbers. If not, they would wipe out the native bird life.
A .22 magnum rifle is effective on feral cats, it's not too big and noisy yet it can reach out and tag a cautous moggy. They are voracious killers so I don't have any problems bumping them off when they cross my path.
Dunno about snakes, cause we havn't got any.. not a single one, even in the zoos. It's illegal to import them in to the country.
But we nearly had some "legless lizards" once, a local zoo was going to import them. It almost worked too.
well so much for the assertion that "hispanics have an unexplanable fear of reptiles" here's a whole anglo-saxon country that exhibits that very fear.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Since you are having so much trouble with people punching you for the fun of it,..............and the attack cat thingy:), may I suggest that you try the Joe Weider course. Back when I was a kid the adds were in all of the comic books. You should be familiar with that.
Do big bullies kick sand in your face when you go to the beach? :rofl
of course you realize that this is intardnet correct? some of you guys bedazzle me with your brilliance.
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No, I haven't been bullied, and I've only been to the beach once. But I have had guys just walk up to me and try to punch me, which turned out bad for them. All over a woman is the funny thing.... And as for comic books, I've never read one. I prefer to watch the old black and white westerns, as well as the newer color ones. And there are types of legless lizards, they aren't snakes, as most people think, but a type of lizard without legs. They are also known as glass lizards, because when captured their tails break into many peices, thus confusing the predator. But yes, cats are very tempermental, they will often bite you or claw you for no reason what so ever other than you are the nearest living thing.
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10.....9...........8......... ...............:D
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"LOL...never mind that cats carry a multitude of diseases, ranging from feline distemper all the way up to bubonic plague, which can directly cross over to humans by way of parasites. As well, feral cats cannot be controlled no matter what you think you can do. Ask a little town in florida, Boca Raton, and a school by name of FAU about it. They've been battling feral cats for 30 years now. They've tried poison...unsuccessful. They trapped... unsuccessful. They even shot....nope."
So would you prefer snakes INSTEAD of cats for vermin contest.
I belive the bigger disease cause is rats and mice actually, and their count is large. Very large.
Rats and mice cause incredible damage to structures, systems and especially food products. And they're one heck of an allergy producer as well.
Ask any farmer, really.
However, since MrCathater has posted of disease, yes some are related to cats. Cat pee for instance can cause miscarriage amongst other mammals (maybe a chemical weapon of old to create food?), so many farmers cut down cats that pick up the habit of peeing in the hayfeed (some do and others don't) And cats can sometimes overpopulate, and here comes the bad part, - I have for instance shot them by the dozens untill the number was acceptable! And it jolly well worked.
To ask about how to keep this or that stock high or low, ask the farmers BTW, - You have lots of cows in the USA, but few buffalos today. It was the way of the gun paving for agriculture....
As for the notorious attack cats, I belive they're called lions and tigers etc. The other ones just give you minimal wounds, - just healed from my last one :D
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angus, you have never had a cat diagnosed with feline luekemia? google that for an eye opener.
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Google black death while I'm at it :D
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"Just healing from my last one". So, they will attack you. And I know that they don't always just cause minor injuries, when they attack little kids, they can do worse damage than sankes. Snakes don't claw your eyes out, they don't leave you with scars covering most of your face, and they don't usually come running at you. And like you said, you ahs to shoot scores of them. Why not solve the problem, no cats, no having to kill them. And the killing of the buffalo was one of the worst things that happened. Used to, there were thousands of buffalo on the prairie, now there are almost none. People killed them just for their hides, or just for fun, leaving the rest to rot. Wastefull. Stupid. The indians were right in going to war with the white man.
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Originally posted by Angus
Google black death while I'm at it :D
racist :D
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Wasn't me that invented the name :D
And McCathand, I was catching a cornered off freaked-out kitten. The critter bit and scratched, and since I knew how little it was, as well as totally not venomous I allowed it to bite itself stuck on my hand while I grabbed it with my other one.
Didn't really bother to put gloves on this time, and this little one fought bravely :p
Which brings you to venomous snakes. They can kill a kid with a single bite, and the provocation is crawling in the grass.
A wild kitten will haul ass.
As for the locations and circumstances, snakes will sometimes seek the warm spots of human habitats.
I have one from WW2 for you....
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Originally posted by McFarland
And the killing of the buffalo was one of the worst things that happened. Used to, there were thousands of buffalo on the prairie, now there are almost none.
And yet another misconception.
"Bison raising recently has become a viable enterprise for small farms and ranches. Selling bison meat has become a $650 million industry, according to the Department of Agriculture (USDA), which predicts bison ranching “could have a small but significant future as an important niche in the livestock market.” Bison meat is a nutrient-dense food higher in protein and lower in fat, cholesterol and calories than other meats, and buffalo tend to be more self-sufficient than domestic cattle. The USDA reported that 12,580 bison were raised on Wyoming ranches in 2002."
That`s just Wyoming. There were around 35,000 processed for meat last year.
The American Bison or buffalo is doing just fine.
I was standing in the middle of a great herd two years ago in South Dakota. Awesome animals.
While I agree there was a great waste in the hay day of the buffalo hunter, it is also a fact that the great herds had to be thinned and could not have existed alongside the present population.
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As for what you said aboot snakes being crawling in the grass, most snakes will run rather than bite. They don't want to waste their venom on something they can't eat. It takes time to make that venom, and they need it for hunting. They prefer to just get out of there. Most snake bites occur when they are picked up, people kill them and think they are dead and pick them up, and when cornered and must protect themselves. It's an old myth thta snakes will chase people. Even in that case, if it were true, most people can run faster than snakes. And I've had cats that for no reason what so ever, just bit me or clawed me. I've seen them grab hold of a man's leg and sink every claw they had in, and then bite him repeatedly. The man couldn't hardly tear him off.
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Originally posted by storch
well so much for the assertion that "hispanics have an unexplanable fear of reptiles" here's a whole anglo-saxon country that exhibits that very fear.
I didn't know that Hispanics were scared of reptiles. Nothing really wrong with that since I guess there is a general irrational fear of snakes anyway.
We do have at least one native reptile in NZ, but no snakes. A lot of kiwis live over the ditch in Aussie where it's teeming with snakes, so there's a stronger reason why snakes are kept out of NZ other than any "unexplainable fear of reptiles". Snakes wouldn't fit in here. If imported snakes got loose and multiplied they would just add to a long list of unwelcome invaders that are destructive to NZs delicate ecosystem.
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I always carry a speedloader of snake shot with my .44Mag
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This is nice:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakebite
"Sturdy over-the-ankle boots, loose clothing and responsible behavior offer effective protection from snakebites when in the wilderness. It is important to tread heavily and cause loud ground noises. The rationale behind this is that the snake will feel the vibrations and flee from the area. However, this generally only applies to North America as some larger and more aggressive snakes in other parts of the world, such as king cobras and black mambas, will actually protect their territory"
"A late 1950s study estimated that 45,000 snakebites occur each year in the United States.[2] Despite this large number, only 7,000 to 8,000 of those snakebites are actually caused by venomous snakes, resulting in an average of 10 deaths"
"Of the 120 known indigenous snake species in North America, only 20 are venomous to human beings, all belonging to the families Viperidae and Elapidae.[5] However, every state except Maine, Alaska, and Hawaii is home to at least one of 20 venomous snake species."
Seems that there is no special reason to pack any armour except if your environment has too many snakes. But like I said, I wouldn't want my kids being swamped by poisoned snakes.
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Pilot story:
My guardian Angels were back on the job again the night we arrived back from Algiers. As I have already mentioned ,we placed our field-cots in slit-trenches in our tents for protection against possible bomb or shell blast. On leaving the mess to go to bed we usually did not bother to light our oil lanterns or candles, but undressed in the dark and slipped in between the blankets. For some inexplicable reason I broke the routine this evening. I lifted up the corner of the blanket and shone under it with my flashlight and discovered a coiled-up snake. I grabbed my revolver and sent this would-be bedfellow to join his ancestors. It turned out to ba about three feet long and there were various opinions about how poisonus it was. However, I belived in safety first; I had no desire going to bed with a snake.
Algiers 1943
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You left out a few facts.
"Victims are typically male and between 17 and 27 years of age." - The people trying to capture or kill them.
"A late 1950s study estimated that 45,000 snakebites occur each year in the United States.[2] Despite this large number, only 7,000 to 8,000 of those snakebites are actually caused by venomous snakes, resulting in an average of 10 deaths.[3][4] This puts the chance of survival at roughly 499 out of 500."
"Most snakebite related deaths in the United States are attributed to eastern and western diamondback rattlesnake bites. Children and the elderly are most likely to die (Gold & Wingert 1994). The state of North Carolina has the highest frequency of reported snakebites, averaging approximately 19 bites per 100,000 persons. The national average is roughly 4 bites per 100,000 persons.[4]" - eastern and western diamondbacks.
"Of the roughly 3,000 known species of snake found worldwide, only 15 percent are considered dangerous to humans.[5] Snakes are found on every continent except Antarctica. The most diverse and widely distributed snake family, the Colubrids, has only a few members which are harmful to humans. Of the 120 known indigenous snake species in North America, only 20 are venomous to human beings, all belonging to the families Viperidae and Elapidae.[5] However, every state except Maine, Alaska, and Hawaii is home to at least one of 20 venomous snake species.[6]" - Only 1 species. Not every species.
"Since the act of delivering venom is completely voluntary, all venomous snakes are capable of biting without injecting venom into their victim. Such snakes will often deliver such a "dry bite" (about 50% of the time)[7] rather than waste their venom on a creature too large for them to eat." - They will not always inject venom, and then rarely enough to kill.
"The most common symptoms of all snakebites are panic, fear and emotional instability, which may cause symptoms such as nausea and vomiting, diarrhea, vertigo, fainting, tachycardia, and cold, clammy skin.[8] Television, literature, and folklore are in part responsible for the hype surrounding snakebites, and a victim may have unwarranted thoughts of imminent death." - Panic and fear. Shock causes most of the deaths from snakebites as well.
"But like I said, I wouldn't want my kids being swamped by poisoned snakes" - Snakes breed and grow too slowly to have problems out of there being too many of them, as natural predators and keep their populations down. In fact, they are in a steady decline due to too much people. Most of the problem with them coming into contact with people is habitat loss.
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BOOM........good snake.
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12 gauge, double ought buckshot, from 15 to 20 feet away.. no muss, no fuss, snake goes away mostly.
Mostly.
-GE
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Originally posted by Angus
"Sturdy over-the-ankle boots, loose clothing and responsible behavior offer effective protection from snakebites when in the wilderness. It is important to tread heavily and cause loud ground noises. The rationale behind this is that the snake will feel the vibrations and flee from the area.
hmmm... if I was in snake country I think I would rather take my chances on getting bitten rather than dressing up like a jackbooted hippie and stomping about the place like bigfoot.
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You know, the indians didn't have any trouble out of snakes, and they didn't kill every one they saw. They let them be, and they seemed to do just fine. I never heard of many of them being killed by snakebite. Seems they were mostly killed by lead bullets from a bunch of land grabbers. Who then killed the snakes. If we could just learn from them. And I don't mean the indians running the casinos.
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A Mannlicher-Carcano.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
BOOM........good snake.
LOL, yeah :aok
As for the 12 gauge, a normal one is perfect for ...ahem...a cat on some 30 feet. Boom, dead cat, doesn't even move, and not much visible harm. Shots up to number 9 (clay pigeon) and a low weight (32grams) will easily do.
A snake-gun of old was a sawed off shotgun by the way.
And McFarland, - not everybody is an Indian, and anyway their life expectancy, as they were truly children of nature, - was low.
We do not know how many were killed by snakes, but I'd expect rather a low number after infancy, since EVERYBODY had to grow up with them.
I'd still not want any "indian tests" on my kids.
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Well, I grew up in an area with lots of snakes, never did much harm to me. Me papaw grew up in an area with snakes. He used to carry them to school in his pocket. Never hurt him. Guess all snake killers are evil minded idiots who think everything is out to get you. Snakes aren't out to get you, or your kids. If they were, you would have been dead long ago. Snakes are just normal animals, going aboot their own business. They aren't out to harm anything bigger than a mouse or rat, and they would prefer to stay away from us. But, where we are, there are rats and mice. And where we aren't - oh wait, there is no place where we aren't.
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LOL... mcfarland gets attacked and beat up by snakes but every toddler in the world plays with em.
he claims that snakes only kill to eat but that cats are killers yet... claims on snake will clear out more mice than one cat... cats will kill dozens of mice a day a snake? one a week...
moray says that they can't be controlled once feral but tells me that I can change the climate of the world. We can control the climate but not a few feral cats.. and he claims to be a scientist.. so far.. I have seen nothing but BS from him. all he ever seems to want to control is people. stay in the ocean.. you don't do well on land with people.
spay and neuter programs work. I rarely see a stray cat in kalifornia anymore.. the feral ones in the fields don't attack anyone and are easy to kill.. they mostly live about a year at best anyway... tough life. We have as many feral dogs as cats it seems and they... they are dangerous.
many places on the planet have no snakes and are just fine with em. if scientists want to keep em in cages to study... fine with me.
and suave... there may be a fourth type of "cat person" every person who lives in a rural area.. every farmer.. They are good mouse traps.
If there were no snakes in America I would not be upset.
And... snake people are strange.. have you ever met anyone who kept snakes that wasn't a whackjob? they make trekkies and vampires seem kinda normal.
lazs
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Originally posted by McFarland
You know, the indians didn't have any trouble out of snakes, and they didn't kill every one they saw. They let them be, and they seemed to do just fine. I never heard of many of them being killed by snakebite. Seems they were mostly killed by lead bullets from a bunch of land grabbers. Who then killed the snakes. If we could just learn from them. And I don't mean the indians running the casinos.
Perhaps you could alleviate any guilt you have by returning any land you might own to the Native Americans and the snakes.
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"Snakes are just normal animals, going aboot their own business. They aren't out to harm anything bigger than a mouse or rat, and they would prefer to stay away from us. But, where we are, there are rats and mice. And where we aren't - oh wait, there is no place where we aren't."
Do you have kids?
Would you deel allright with poisoned snakes having a habitad nearby your lawn?
I mean, I'd gun them, just in case.
As for cats, Lazs, they are even up here, absolutely necessary!
I have not taken a cat into the household yet, - I hate them poking their noses into my food (since they easily jump tables)
I have dogs in the house, - the mice are to fast for them. Just passed a mouse in the hall!!!
So....thinking...meoww stuff ;)
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I'm a farmer, and yes, there are cats around. And they will attack people. Cats are tempermental, they have serious mood swings, one minute they can be purring and the next clawing your eyes out. I've kept snakes, but not for long, animals belong outside, not inside. I actually used to volunteer (and still do whenever possible) at the CRRC (Clinch River Raptor Center) where we rehabilitate birds of prey and other animals that come in. I've seen me share of what cats can do. Dangerous to the wildlife. And no animals belong inside. If you have rats and mice, get some traps and put them in your home. It would also be cleaner than having cats inside. They don't eat what they kill most of the time. And I'm not feeling guilty aboot land that the indians once had, I'm 1/8 Cherokee meself. And if there were no snakes in America, you would be over run with rats and mice. And no, I don't have kids, but me neighbors do, and they are just fine with snakes. They know the snakes won't bother anything, the snakes are doing good. The only bad thing around here is too few snakes. We are changing the environment in ways that are bigger than you think. We are sending thousands of tons of CO2 a year into the air. This causes the Earth to get warmer, and to alter climates. Getting rid of feral cats is a harder thing to do, they can hide. And they breed like crazy. I've been bit by snakes before. Why? Because I picked them up. Still, it didn't hurt me. I had to actually run the snake down to catch it. I hardly see any toddler doing this. And I don't see one doing this if you educate them. And snakes eat more than once a week. A full grown black rat snake will eat every day. And I'd like to see someone confuse that with a venomous species. You would have to be ignorant and blind. And king snakes eat other venomous species. So, they are no threat to you. In fact, they are helping you. Although, you would kill those just as soon as look at it. Many people in this world who would do that. Kill something just as soon as look at it. Kill you just as soon as look at you. For no reason at all. At least the snake doesn't want to kill you, he just wants to go on aboot his business. Eating rats and mice.
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Originally posted by McFarland
I'm a farmer, and yes, there are cats around. And they will attack people. Cats are tempermental, they have serious mood swings, one minute they can be purring and the next clawing your eyes out.
Your worst nightmare realized..................... ..............
(http://home.blarg.net/~wayule/graphics/cat_voices.jpg)
BTW Silat, 20 ga. works on both snakes AND feral cats!
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Farmers owning cats, lol.
Farmers got about as much love for cats as they do for hawks. Next time you go hunting on a farmers land, ask him what you should do if you see a coyote or a cat.
I keep a bowl of cat food and anti-freeze in my back yard, no dogs can climb a wood fence.
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Originally posted by McFarland
It's an old myth thta snakes will chase people. Even in that case, if it were true, most people can run faster than snakes.
And once again folks---WRONG. The water moccasin will chase you without a doubt. they are very, very aggressive .
If you have the chance to run I don`t think anyone would disagree, but if you are cornered by a cottonmouth there is one solution---BOOM....good snake.
The only good snake is a dead snake.
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Originally posted by McFarland
You know, the indians didn't have any trouble out of snakes, and they didn't kill every one they saw. They let them be, and they seemed to do just fine. I never heard of many of them being killed by snakebite. Seems they were mostly killed by lead bullets from a bunch of land grabbers. Who then killed the snakes. If we could just learn from them. And I don't mean the indians running the casinos.
And yet another load of happy horse poop. :) Man you are on a roll. We`ll just call you butter.
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"For example, Echinacea, used to boost immunity in the natural products industry, due to European backed research on anti-infection properties of the root, was used by the Sioux as a leaf for treating toothache and other pains by topical application and for snakebite."
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Yet better than that, research Moon women. :)
They had the proper attitude. It is believed that in this cycle they may spit on a rattlesnake and kill it.
Just another rendition of---------------------------->BOOM...........good snake.
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BTW, I do beleive you think you have set up a great troll. The thing is you need some actual facts to even make it halfway believable. See the thing is we are having way more fun than you.
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Originally posted by Suave
Farmers owning cats, lol.
Farmers got about as much love for cats as they do for hawks.
Which in actuality is a lot. Both keep mice, rats, etc. from damaging crops.
Only people I know of in that area that might not be so fond of a hawk is a chicken rancher.
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if it's poisonous BOOM good snake
if it's not I leave it alone
if I'm not sure BOOM good snake
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"I'm a farmer, and yes, there are cats around. And they will attack people."
Every farmer I know has cat(s) for the necessity. Most of us however don't have them in the house, - a housecat and a farmyard cat do not share the same job, - and in my case I am no cat-fan anyway.
As for the attacking part, prepare for attacker-rabbits, lethal-mice and deadly-smallbirds.
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Here's a website I know you cat people will enjoy.
http://www.dropline.net/cats/
(http://dropline.net:81/cats/images/hamster_wheel.jpg)
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ok suave.. we get it.. you don't like cats.
the reason I suspect is the same reason that some like snakes.. to get a reaction.. to get some attention.
mcfarland... cats attacking people... ripping their eyes out? where do you get this drivel? Oh wait.. you think man is causing global warming don't ya?
Sheesh.. cats are easy to kill if they get out of hand... much easier than snakes. they are much more useful in killing rodents and you don't have to be the host of a nature program to figure out which of the ugly critters is venemous.
In all the time I spent in the south I have to say that water mocs sure appeared to be attacking people.
But... shot loads in revolvers are the best for having something handy.
A country without snakes is a good country.
lazs
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:) a truck and or ATV can kill snakes,and bunnies if you can lead right :t
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"It's an old myth thta snakes will chase people."
Standing in line for the Open Air Theater at Udorn-Thani, talking with a few friends while the line moved slowly to the ticket booth..just after sundown.
A pale snake about 8 inches long comes out of the grass near my jungle boot and strikes 3 times in succession, very quick.. but ..bounces off every time. (I dont think he could get his fangs to stick into the boot :)
Friends and I moved back, the snake came at the toe of my boot and struck at it, again.
By this time I was laughing, I mean ..what's the lil snake gonna do, drag me off into the bushes and eat me? ..ROFL!
I picked up a brick from a loose pile nearby and dropped it on him when he struck again.
Standing orders were to bring any snake into the hospital on base if we ran into them.
Imagine our surprise when the Doc told us it was an Asp.
If it had gotten up my pant leg or into any skin, I would have been a very sick puppy quite rapidly.
Seems that little snake kills a lotta people over there every year, because it's aggressive and lethal.
Myth .. uh huh.
Only if you haven't been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
-GE
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I'm referring to American snakes. The only aggresive American snake I've ever seen was a water moccasin, and that was when I cornered it. I went on me way, and it went on its way. And yes, cats will attack people. One attacked me little brother when he was a baby. He still has the scars. One grabbed hold of my pant leg one time, I gave him a kick into the front yard. I'm a farmer, do I own cats? No. Do I have plenty of snakes around? Yes. Do I have problems with rats and mice? Nope. Not a single one. Can I tell the difference betwixt a venomous snake and a harmless one? From 10 yards off. Not that difficult. I am scared of anything? No, I have no reason to be. Man is the dominant predator. I know there is nothing to fear in this world as long as you take good precautions, and aren't a fool. Am I trolling? No, I really feel this way. I beleive man should respect this planet and its species, we aren't the only ones here. I want to change opinions, I want to inform people of the evils of needless killing. "In the end we will conserve only what we love. We love only what we understand. We will understand only what we are taught." - Baba Dioum, Conservationist.
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Originally posted by McFarland
I am scared of anything? No, I have no reason to be. Man is the dominant predator.
That's sig material right there!
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Well, we are. All other critters have more reason to be afraid of us than we of them. We've been responsible for more extinctions than any other single species, and we can kill anything that attacks us.
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cats can kill ppl,just ask this cat :)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f191/ilikepeanuts/cats/kitty_gun.jpg)
:rofl
Evil kitty gonna get you McFarland
:rolleyes:
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well mcfarland... most of us don't host our own nature show and get all dewey eyed about snakes.
Every farmer I have ever seen thinks cats are just fine for killing vermon... Every bit of farmland around here has snakes and mice... if they have cats tho... no more mice... better yet.. no more snakes.
you are a strange guy.. you think that cats will attack people yet you think that snakes won't.. that if a snake bites someone it is the persons fault but if a cat scratches someone it is because they are... are what? try to take the person down to eat em? cats simply will not attack humans I am sure everyone is getting a bellylaugh out of what you think cats are.
My guess is that you were so traumatized by a cat when you were a toddler that you have somehow made them into maneaters in your mind.
we can do without snakes.. any good they do is better done with the more efficient and less dangerous feline species.
play with your snakes...
for the rest of us... and, to get back to the thread... shot loads in revolvers work the best to make the planet a better place.
lazs
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:confused: a .22 rifle with hollow point rounds seems to work fine for killing snakes,rodents and other small critters,well for me:D
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yeah.. 22 rifle is great but not all that handy.
lazs
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Originally posted by Wes14
cats can kill ppl,just ask this cat :)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f191/ilikepeanuts/cats/kitty_gun.jpg)
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Evil kitty gonna get you McFarland
:rolleyes:
:rofl
Priceless.
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Electric fence will do, might need your own generator to power the fence
(http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/animals/assets/rock_python1.jpg)
(http://whiteafrican.com/wp-content/snake2.jpg)
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Golly-geen. Gimme a frag grenade.
"frag out!"
Splat!
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I don't own me own nature show, mebe someday, but not now. And I wasn't "traumatized" by a cat when I was young, I wasn't even around cats till I was aboot 5, and I had no problems with them. They were me papaw's cats, and they ate catfood. They had no problems with me petting them, and they still don't. What I'm talking aboot is expiriences I've had with other cats, the kind that hunt their own food. One attacked me little brother, and he still has the scars. He was just sitting on the back porch, minding his own business, and it jumped on him, bit him in the face, on the arm, and clawed his face, barely missed his eyes, before we could beat it off him. However, I had pet snakes growing up, and I never had a problem out of them. Just like everyone else I've ever seen with a pet snake around here, you just hold it in your hands, let it crawl freely, and it won't bother you. It was a Burmese python. Pretty good size, aboot 4-5 ft. long. I had various other snakes, a corn snake, black rat snake, and a few brown (DeKay's) snakes. I had one red bellied snake. And a garter snake. They make great pets, they require food maybe twice a week, a somewhat large cage, and water. And I've seen very few aggressive snakes. And those were cornered, or in me hands. Snakes aren't out to get little kids. They aren't out to get people. A good snake is a live one.
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Oh my goodness! White, did you take that picture?
Where's my shovel!!??
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Wow. Afraid of a sluggish, slow moving, large reptile you can see coming for 20 feet, and hear coming for 100. Enough time to get out of its way. And that snake is down in South America, not the U.S. Or maybe Africa, or Asia. I'm not sure of it's species, but I know it's a python. So not American. Though, they can now be found in Florida. A good snake is a live one.
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that looks like a boa
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Originally posted by texasmom
Oh my goodness! White, did you take that picture?
Where's my shovel!!??
series of pics of that snake made rounds through email. if I remember right, it is a Boa, and it just ate a full grown sheep. that is a one foot gap between the strands of wire in it's mouth.
yer shovel ain't gonna do the job.
that calls for a double barrel 12 guage loaded with 3 inch double ought buckshot. both barrels at once. maybe 10 guage 3 1/2 inch triple ought.
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Originally posted by DieAz
series of pics of that snake made rounds through email. if I remember right, it is a Boa, and it just ate a full grown sheep. that is a one foot gap between the strands of wire in it's mouth.
yer shovel ain't gonna do the job.
that calls for a double barrel 12 guage loaded with 3 inch double ought buckshot. both barrels at once. maybe 10 guage 3 1/2 inch triple ought.
Shhhhh, McFarland knows wut he's doin', his papaw told him so.
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It's an African Rock Python, big freakin snake eh.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Shhhhh, McFarland knows wut he's doin', his papaw told him so.
he still squeakin' about his poor lil pet snakey poohs?
guess so, people still replying to him.
this thread cleaned up nicely, when I stuck him on my ignore list.
I don't really care what he has to say.
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Originally posted by McFarland
. A good snake is a live one.
BOOM............good snake.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
BOOM............good snake.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I bet that person sold that snake to Tony Lama boot company for a small fortune.
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You just have to love snakes and such:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujo6gy2H7Cw
This one defending its territory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujo6gy2H7Cw
This one too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHYLwIvqv98
Got to love them :D
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"Anaconda Regurgitates A Hippo"
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Too spicey???? :lol
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mcfarland.. you have snakes? they are your pets and they make "great pets"?
yet.. you are afraid to pet a cat? think you will get warts or it will repeat the horror of your youth and tear you and your brother to shreds? maybe killing you this time instead of leaving a permanent scar to humilate you?
Told ya snake people were strange.
lazs
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Well, seing as I can't change your outdated witch hunting opinions, I have to say is this: The ignorance in this world is astounding. As for you DieAz, even though you can't read this, I have this to say: Just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you don't listen to them. It just means you know you are wrong and don't want to change. Seems that this generation won't listen to reason, nor are capable of intellectual thought processes. And as for cats being good at catching rats and mice, they can't get to them all the time. Snakes can. I haven't seen or heard a rat or mouse in years, not since I convinced me neighbors not to kill snakes. God bless Steve Irwin.
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mcfarland... if you have so few mice that a couple of snakes will solve the problem then you had no problem.
cats are nocturnal.. they see well in the dark.. mice do not mice run along walls as a rule.. cats will kill a dozen or more mice in a night
farmers in mice country know this and have cats around.
lazs
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This WAS mice country till I convinced me neighbors to stop killing the snakes. I had a terrible time keeping the vermin under control. A cat didn't wrok, neither did two cats. The problem got worse. I got rid of the cats, took them down the road and set them out, and the snakes came back. Lo and behold, after me neighbors quit killing them, the rats and mice went away. Sure, there were a lot of snakes around, with so many mice feeding them, but they never bothered me, the cows, the horses, the goats, the chickens, or any of the other animals. I taught the dogs to leave them alone, and we haven't had mice trouble since.
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And no, I'm not afraid of cats. Me papaw has two cats, both good cats, and they don't bother anything. They will let you pet them. And I also don't have pet snakes any more, I let them go outside. And I'm not strange, I have plenty of good friends (mostly rednecks and hillbillies (by which I mean dirt poor farmers and auto workers, not idiots that drink beer and sit in a chair all day)) and those people also aren't strange. Education is the main thing aboot snakes. Once you know how to correctly identify them, and you know how to take precautions, you are ok. They aren't out to get people.
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ok.. it worked for you but you have to admit that it doesn't work for everyone. That farmers everywhere depend on cats to kill vermin and have excellent results without snakes.
I am glad you had good results with anything. I am sorry you are afraid of cats.
lazs
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Originally posted by McFarland
I have to say is this: The ignorance in this world is astounding.
A little ironic in this situation, but true.
:rolleyes:
Seems that this generation won't listen to reason, nor are capable of intellectual thought processes.
Just for us unediKated folks :) can you define "this generation' please. Inquiring minds want to know. :)
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Originally posted by lazs2
ok.. it worked for you but you have to admit that it doesn't work for everyone. That farmers everywhere depend on cats to kill vermin and have excellent results without snakes.
I am glad you had good results with anything. I am sorry you are afraid of cats.
lazs
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And this:
"mcfarland... if you have so few mice that a couple of snakes will solve the problem then you had no problem."
Hehe. Well, luckily we have no snakes up here, so they do not complicate the factors in a rodent campaign.
For the farmer, a cat is practically a must-have, and they do indeed do their jobs.
Keep cats, and breed cats of the hunting kind, and that's all you need.
Half-domesticated (since you have to feed them when they run out of mice, mostly in the winter) they are the playmates of children, and the true bosses of the barn!
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This generation (n.) - The group of individuals referred to by many, it includes the idiots and off beats of a particular age level, and is referred to as being usually bad, ignorant, and evil. Usually younger than the person speaking. In this case, mostly 13 - 20 year olds who are afraid of snakes because their parents did not teach them otherwise, and thus think that snakes are slimy, out to get them, and all venomous and aggressive.
I am sorry to see that you all grew up thinking snakes are bad, and you should kill every one you see. Thus, you also grew up with no respect of life, and think it is just something you have the right to take away when ever you please. I meself know that life is something that once taken, can not be given back. So I think before I act. I only kill to eat, and in self defence. God bless Steve Irwin.
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Much older than 20, have no snakes, no lions, no gators, and no cayotees.
No special prejudice, just would shoot things that will pose a life threat for, - say a child, in the back yard.
BTW, how many people die each year because of a lethal barn-cat bite?
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None. How many people die from rabies spread through cats each year?
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Originally posted by McFarland
This generation (n.) - The group of individuals referred to by many, it includes the idiots and off beats of a particular age level, and is referred to as being usually bad, ignorant
I meself no that life is something
Sometimes irony is.......ironic. :)
Usually younger than the person speaking. In this case, mostly 13 - 20 year olds
Dang l`il whipper snappers. :)
I suppose you had someone in mind here on the BBS that you automaticaly put in that group then, huh? A scientific thing I suppose that us mere mortals can`t comprehend.
I am sorry to see that you all grew up thinking snakes are bad
Snakes are only bad when alive. I have the solution.-------> BOOM....good snake. :)
Thus, you also grew up with no respect of life
Just a silly notion I have I guess, but I put human life before some fanged cuddle toy that slides around on it`s belly and has a nasty habit of inserting fangs into human flesh. I respect life all to well. ...Mine, my family`s and those around us.
You say you had cats and took them down the road and let them out.
You say you had snakes, then released them.
Seems just a tad wishy washy to me.
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No, I turned the snakes out after their injuries healed. I am a wildlife rehabilitator part time, when ever the need arises.
Just a silly notion I have I guess, but I put human life before some fanged cuddle toy that slides around on it`s belly and has a nasty habit of inserting fangs into human flesh. I respect life all to well.
Not all snakes have fangs. Not all snakes have venom. 99.9% of snakes killed each year are harmless. They go aboot eating rats and mice. We kill more snakes each year than they kill of us. Who should be scared, the snake or us? I have no fear of snakes, and I've been bit. Nothing happened. Snake bites in America can be treated with anti venom, and most venomous snake bites are dry bites, which contain no venom. As for your family, teach them to leave snakes alone. Teach them which kinds are venomous and which are not. Then tell them to leave them alone, and go aboot their business. Snakes are only bad when dead. The solution: don't kill them. Then they can go on eating rats and mice, and leaving you alone. God bless Steve Irwin.
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The venomous and not-venomos kind is the bad part when something snaps you out of the grass and you don't go after it for analysis.
Where people tend to get bit, people are wary. You have 1000's of venomous snake bites in the USA each year, but that's nothing compared to Asia though. And in Asia, where people live together with snakes on a more common level, you have a high death toll. ..
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The venomous and not-venomos kind is the bad part when something snaps you out of the grass and you don't go after it for analysis.
This is what I'm referring to, snakes aren't out to get you. They don't just suddenly strike out of nowhere. You can see the snake in the grass. It's not like it's invisible until you step on it. And you should be able to tell what kind of snake it is when you see it. They are easy to identify if you know the snakes in that area. I know every species of snake around here, and that isn't difficult to do. All you have to do is remember the venomous ones, if it isn't one of those that bit you, then it's harmless. And if there are no fang marks, then it's harmless. And if you can't tell the difference betwixt a garter snake, a king snake, a milk snake, and a copperhead, you are either blind, or just to lazy to read a field guide.
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Originally posted by McFarland
No, I turned the snakes out after their injuries healed. I am a wildlife rehabilitator part time, when ever the need arises.
Man...it`s getting hard to keep up. A scientist, a farmer and a " wildlife rehabilitator." You do any brain surgery part time?
We kill more snakes each year than they kill of us.
Yep. the scoreboard is looking good for us. Go team...go. :)
Who should be scared, the snake or us?
Snakes be afraid. Be very afraid. :)
As for your family, teach them to leave snakes alone.
No thanks professor. My family has been raised. All agree, including husbands of all four daughters. BOOM....good snake. I don`t like to take chances with my grandkids. Snakes are completely disposable. My grandkids are not.
Snake bites in America can be treated with anti venom, and most venomous snake bites are dry bites, which contain no venom.
Another load of happy bull poop. According to leading statistics, it`s about 50/50.
Then tell them to leave them alone, and go aboot their business.
Oh they do. Right after the BOOM. After that point Mr. snake is free to do as he pleases. :)
Snakes are only bad when dead
That`s when I enjoy them the most. :)
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BOOM....good snake
Good point :aok
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LMAO, Jackal!
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"It's not like it's invisible until you step on it. And you should be able to tell what kind of snake it is when you see it."
Most snake bites occure on the legs below the knee, and AFAIK to an unsuspecting person. Most fatalities are to children.
By the way, us farmers also gun down seagulls. While harmless, they are a meanace to any sick animal (they will eat the arse and eyes out of a living horse with fever if they "need to"), as well as spreading Salmonella into the pastures and drinking water. They will also peck holes into silage bales, and then there is something common with cats (sadly) and snakes, - they will gobble up youngbirds (very little ones) and eggs.
Gunning them down brings results, - less of them.
( I shot so much one year that I got a question from the tax authorities, - I had so much ammo on the expense list, hehe)
So, put it up again, - in an area where you have a living threat of poisonous snakes in the grass where your toddlers (or grandkids Jackal) play, - then I'd really try to keep their number....low...and a cat & dog for the other problems ....
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"We kill more snakes each year than they kill of us.
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Yep. the scoreboard is looking good for us. Go team...go.
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hehehehehe :aok
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http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=209840 < check it out. he did a fine job. this is how it is done.
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:eek: :aok
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That's how you get over swamped with rats and mice. And bit.
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Originally posted by McFarland
That's how you get over swamped with rats and mice.
Naw...cats will easily take care of the rats and mice and much more efficiently than a Tony Lama in training.
And bit.
LOL He don`t bite anyone after he sees the flash and hears the BOOM. Bad snake to good snake in .10 seconds. He`s dead Jim. :)
You get bit by playing with the belt buckle wannabes and making cuddly toys out of something that will sink fangs into human flesh. It`s a no brainer.
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I don't play with snakes, and they are good for the environment. I guess you never heard of Steve Irwin, nor took any advice to heart. And snakes aren't out to get people, they will rather run than have to waste venom on something they can't eat. And in your equation, it's good snake to bad in .10 seconds. I guess you would kill even a garter snake if it crossed your path, just to be "on the safe side"? More like you have an agenda to kill every snake on earth. Poachers.
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well.. I agree with jackal that my grandkids are not replaceable. I will kill every snake on the planet if it saves one of my grandkids.. or even yours.
You claim that snakes are good for the environment. You haven't said how yet. All you have said is that they kill mice. If that is the only thing they are good for then we can live without em..
Their time has passed and they are useless.. to be replaced by feral and domestic small felines. I don't see how the countries that don't have snakes are so bad off.
People aren't steve irwin (who was killed by nature) who spend their life studying snakes... even people who have been around snakes a lot make mistakes on the old.. "poison snake/not poison snake" quickie ID.
people get bit in the legs and hands by snakes they never seen and children are the biggest victim.
Soo.. we have a nasty little critter that is often poisonous and has no environmental value or.. his value has been taken over by a superior breed...
If you are hiking around a revolver in 38, 44 or 45 with the first round a shot load will do a really great job of converting live snakes to good snakes and helping them become extinct as they should be.
lazs
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They keep the rodent populations down, and other species. That's how they are good for the environment. And they aren't "nasty little critter"s. And Steve Irwin was killed because he pulled the barb out. Had he left it in, he would have survived. And it is agreed that he was killed because the cameraman got in front of the sting ray and it felt threatened, and thus shot its barb up. Countries that don't have snakes often also don't have rats and mice because they never reached those places. "If that is the only thing they are good for then we can live without em.." no, because cats are not a replacement for snakes. Many snakes live underground, where cats couldn't live, (I've never seen a burrowing cat) and eat harmful garden pests. We couldn't live without snakes in this country. And it doesn't take a lifetime of study to be able to identify the venomous species in your area. Maybe it's not snakes that are the problem, but humans encroaching on their territory. And here's something to give you a thought aboot whether cats are better than snakes: In cities where snakes aren't present, there are many rats and mice. There are many stray cats there as well, but there are still lots of rats and mice. Cats can't get to rats and mice in some places, but snakes can.
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everything they do... cats do better. Other countries do indeed have mice and no snakes.. I think angus would tell you that.
I don't care why irwin died except as an interesting addendum... He played with dangerous stuff and eventually got killed. that is the way it is. there is no safe way to do it. snake handlers have all been bit.
raising kittens you will get scratched a little and bit maybe.. but.. you can turn your back on em and the wounds are seldom life threatening if you get a tournicate on em and get the limb sewn back on right away.
I just find it ironic that you dredge up your fear of kitty kats and the ghost of steve irwin up in the same post.
was irwin afraid of cats too?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
everything they do... cats do better. Other countries do indeed have mice and no snakes.. I think angus would tell you that.
I don't care why irwin died except as an interesting addendum... He played with dangerous stuff and eventually got killed. that is the way it is. there is no safe way to do it. snake handlers have all been bit.
raising kittens you will get scratched a little and bit maybe.. but.. you can turn your back on em and the wounds are seldom life threatening if you get a tournicate on em and get the limb sewn back on right away.
I just find it ironic that you dredge up your fear of kitty kats and the ghost of steve irwin up in the same post.
was irwin afraid of cats too?
lazs
No, Steve Irwin was not afraid of cats. And he wasn't killed by a deadly animal. He was killed by a harmless stingray that happened to hit his heart. And he would have lived had the barb not been taken out. And for the last time, I'm not afraid of cats. I just know that feral cats go back to their instincts, and none are loyal. Loyalty is the most important part of any pet. And I've been bit. By copperheads. Me arm hurt for a couple weeks, that was all. And yes, there is a safe way to go aboot handling dangerous things. He did not "play". He did an important job of relocating them to places where they would not come into cntact with people. I think you should be relocated to a place where you won't come into contact with snakes. Or any other animal. God blessed Steve Irwin. Thank God for his contributions to society.
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do you even read what you write? steve irwin was killed by a harmless animal?
no... if he had driven his car into a tree because he wanted to avoid hitting a cat then he would have been killed by a harmless animal..
When an animal drives a spike into your heart it kinda goes past the "harmless animal" stage to me.
Face it.. we don't need snakes.. their time is over. many many species become extinct.. even without the help of man.. it is time for snakes to do so.
lazs
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Steve Irwin was killed by a harmless animal. A stingray normally only inflicts a painfull wound. It just happened to hit his heart in this case. Another man was stabbed through the heart by a stingray, and is still alive. Steve Irwin bled to death. He wasn't killed by the venom, he was killed by bad luck of where it hit.
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so the ray is harmless as long as it doesn't hit a vital spot?
I have firearms... I don't consider them "harmless" even tho they won't kill unless they fire and hit a vital spot or you don't get medical aid.
lazs
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Yesm stingrays are considered harmless, because they only hurt that small area, and it goes away pretty fast, maybe a week. A gunshot hurts for much longer, and if left in can give you lead poisoning. And firearms are considered deadly because there is much more chance of them hitting something and goinbg through it, while the barb on a stingray won't go through a wall and hit you. And it won't go farther than what the tail of the ray can reach.
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did irwin or did not irwin die?
I don't consider anything that can kill you or injure you seriously relatively easily to be "harmless".
But... I take it that with all your pontificating and false info....
you still don't have a good suggestion for what gun is best for killing snakes?
lazs
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Yes, Steve Irwin died. No, stingrays are harmless. The only reason the stingray killed him was because it happened to hit his heart. A 1/1000000000 chance. Steve Irwin was just unlucky that day. As for which gun is best for killing snakes, none. Guns should be used in self defence and for getting food, not for killing harmless defenceless animals just because you can.
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Snakes arent "harmless"..even if they arent poisionous they can still do a thing called Biteing, and that hurts... so....
BOOM....good snake
same for mice: BOOM....good mouse
and rats: BOOM....good rat
and racoons: BOOM
and bunnies: BOOM
need to continue? :)
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People punch, and that hurts, so, BOOM..... good person?
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Originally posted by McFarland
People punch, and that hurts, so, BOOM..... good person?
that already happens.look at LA and big cities like that :rofl
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Never thought of it much (a gun for snakes), but I would think any shotgun with birdshot would be ideal? 16 guage? Doesn't have to be expensive or fancy. Anything suitable for hunting birds would do.
Up here dangers in the wild are from large animals like bears and cougars, we dont have any rattlers on the coast, so rifles do when your out in that kind of country. Shotguns are for ducks. :)
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Originally posted by McFarland
People punch, and that hurts, so, BOOM..... good person?
Yep, Thats pretty much how I've always felt about it.
"Death can solve a great many problems.
No more man. No more problem" :D
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mcfarland... I really hope that you see the difference between a person and an animal.
If you have a nest of bad people around your home you can't kill em.. Unless the y do attack...if you have a nest of bad snakes you can and should.
I don't advocate killing manta rays... or any ocean creature.. that is their environment... I stay out of it. Land is mine... just as other animals kill animals in their territitory.. I kill snakes in mine. snakes are worthless and dangerous.
But you never did say... what gun do you like for killing em?
lazs
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Here in the winter the geese are absolute hell on the winter wheat crops. Even though they arent in season, its very common to just walk out past the bins and kill as many as you can.
No one around here cares except for the animal rights sissies. Even then, most of the game wardens have family/relation that farm so they wont do nothing except compliment you on how many you shot
Geese + wheat = dead geese
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Hehe, I know that one with the geese as well.
Living on a flat land, one either has to burrow in at night and wait for their flight, preferably in a barley field.
I don't have the patience for it, so I snipe them. Hence me looking for a nice rifle, - better ranged than my .22 mag.
22-250 perhaps?
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Originally posted by Wes14
Snakes arent "harmless"..even if they arent poisionous they can still do a thing called Biteing, and that hurts... so....
same for mice: BOOM....good mouse
and rats: BOOM....good rat
and racoons: BOOM
and bunnies: BOOM
need to continue? :)
The AK 47. When absolutely every ^%&%&%^% bunny in the room must die.
:aok
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true..:lol
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maybe not a good idea to empty an AK47 clip in thebackyard.
Dead snake, and a dead kid at the neighbour's behind the hedge, 100 yards away...
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"Cruelty shall reign when man has lost all sense." - Unknown
Guess we've now lost all sense. Snakes shouldn't be killed for no reason. They are good for the environment. And many of the components of their venom have been found to be usefull in medicines. An extract from copperhead venom has been found to be usefull in fighting cancer, becuase it keeps only the cancer cells from growing, and can kill the cancer over time. It also has no side affects. Venom from the Gila monster has been found to contain a chemical that can help patients with diabetes, as it controls the amount of sugar that cells take in. It is possible that it can also help the body begin producing it's own insulin. Toxins from the pufferfish contains a compound that can help people with chronic pain, and it has no side affects like other pain releivers. The venom of the Australian funnel web spider has components that are species specific, and can be used to control pests without affecting anything else around them. Many other venoms are beginning to have beneficial components found in them that can help many other diseases and illnesses. And once these species are gone, we have lost all these cures. And there are still many more cures to be found. who knows what else may be found?
I don't advocate killing manta rays... or any ocean creature.. that is their environment... I stay out of it. Land is mine... just as other animals kill animals in their territitory.. I kill snakes in mine. snakes are worthless and dangerous.
Snakes are not worthless, they keep the pest population down, and are good at doing such. They have evolved to fit such a role, and they should be left alone to do such. The land is not yours. It belongs to God, He made it. And it is for every other species on Earth. It isn't just for us. It was made for everything to live on. The indians understood that. Snakes aren't dangerous for the most part. Very few are aggressive, and very few are venomous. Killing a garter snake is not justified. One can easily tell the difference between them and venomous species. Same for milk snakes, black snakes, DeKay's snakes, water snakes, vine snakes, and other species. When you kill them, you can't say "I thought it was venomous", because they are very easily identified. You just think all snakes are bad, which is idiotic, stupid, ignorant behavior, and deems you as such. People were not put here by God to make every species of animal go extinct, except the ones we like. We should respect the many species of life on this planet, once they are extinct, they can't be brought back.
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Originally posted by McFarland
"Cruelty shall reign when man has lost all sense." - Unknown
Guess we've now lost all sense. Snakes shouldn't be killed for no reason. They are good for the environment. And many of the components of their venom have been found to be usefull in medicines. An extract from copperhead venom has been found to be usefull in fighting cancer, becuase it keeps only the cancer cells from growing, and can kill the cancer over time. It also has no side affects. Venom from the Gila monster has been found to contain a chemical that can help patients with diabetes, as it controls the amount of sugar that cells take in. It is possible that it can also help the body begin producing it's own insulin. Toxins from the pufferfish contains a compound that can help people with chronic pain, and it has no side affects like other pain releivers. The venom of the Australian funnel web spider has components that are species specific, and can be used to control pests without affecting anything else around them. Many other venoms are beginning to have beneficial components found in them that can help many other diseases and illnesses. And once these species are gone, we have lost all these cures. And there are still many more cures to be found. who knows what else may be found?
Snakes are not worthless, they keep the pest population down, and are good at doing such. They have evolved to fit such a role, and they should be left alone to do such. The land is not yours. It belongs to God, He made it. And it is for every other species on Earth. It isn't just for us. It was made for everything to live on. The indians understood that. Snakes aren't dangerous for the most part. Very few are aggressive, and very few are venomous. Killing a garter snake is not justified. One can easily tell the difference between them and venomous species. Same for milk snakes, black snakes, DeKay's snakes, water snakes, vine snakes, and other species. When you kill them, you can't say "I thought it was venomous", because they are very easily identified. You just think all snakes are bad, which is idiotic, stupid, ignorant behavior, and deems you as such. People were not put here by God to make every species of animal go extinct, except the ones we like. We should respect the many species of life on this planet, once they are extinct, they can't be brought back.
Come down off your high horse now. You're quite the hypocrite saying in one post its ok to shoot a kid that might have wandered on your property but in another that a snake must live. Theres a CHANCE that the snake will harm me or my kids, so he must die, just like you say theres a CHANCE someone on your property will harm you, so you'll shoot him on sight. Give me a break.:rolleyes:
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they are obsolete.. cats do a better job. If you think that they may have some use for em then keep some of each in laboratories.
but you never did say...
what gun do you like for killing snakes? same one yu use on the UPS man?
it's ok for you to kill people who wander onto your property but not poisonous snakes..
Yeah.. you hill yahoos have really got your priorities straight.
lazs
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For some reason, PETA wars v.2 sounds very tempting
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There isn't any violent crime here, and there are no mice, so I think we got it figured out.
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And someone's not going to wonder onto me land, they have to cross an electric fence, a river, or a climb a ridge. If they want on me property, they can ask. If they don't they are tresspassing, and may be dangerous. The difference between them and a snake is that the snake is harmless, they may not be.
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Originally posted by McFarland
Snakes are not worthless
Well for once you are right. They make great target practice.
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Boom....Good snake? :confused:
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Originally posted by Wes14
Boom....Good snake? :confused:
You got it. :aok
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Just remember..if you are going to trespass on McFarlands place, wear a snake costume.
shamus
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Well, it is people like you guys that hinder scientific progress in the medical field by making species extinct before science can fully explore them. Copperhead venom contains a component that can help cancer patients. Or do you beleive that cancer is something that just takes out part of the gene pool and that people with cancer have been "called by Darwin"? Or patients with diabetes?
A component in Gila monster venom contains a compound that can help people who suffer with diabetes. It regulates the amount of sugar that enters a cell, and has the possibilty to help the body make its own insulin. Toxin from the pufferfish contains a compound that can help people with chronic pain, and it has no side affects like other pain releivers. The venom of the Australian funnel web spider has components that are species specific, and can be used to control pests without affecting anything else around them. Many other venoms are beginning to have beneficial components found in them that can help many other diseases and illnesses. And once these species are gone, we have lost all these cures. And there are still many more cures to be found. who knows what else may be found?
This is all true, these things have been found. And the best part aboot them - they have no side affects. Kill these "harmfull" species, and you lose the medicines that can be found in them. And you cause the death or suffering of the thousands of patients who suffer from these illnesses.
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do as the crocodile hunter does
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Everything I said in that last post, it's all true. You can do the research, and you'll find it is.
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Originally posted by Shamus
Just remember..if you are going to trespass on McFarlands place, wear a snake costume.
shamus
Yea, but then you would be forced into the touchy feely torture test. :)
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Here in the winter the geese are absolute hell on the winter wheat crops. Even though they arent in season, its very common to just walk out past the bins and kill as many as you can.
No one around here cares except for the animal rights sissies. Even then, most of the game wardens have family/relation that farm so they wont do nothing except compliment you on how many you shot
Geese + wheat = dead geese
in most States,
farmers have the right to defend their livelihood from destruction by wild animals. geese destroying a wheat field = legal geese killing time.
squirrels in a corn crib full of corn = legal squirrel killing time.
rats around feed bins = legal rat killing time.
predators killing/stealing livestocks = legal predator killing time. (horse stealing might still be a hanging offense in some states.)
if it can be shown that any wild animal, is the source of destruction of any income producing Tax Revenue = legal dead wild animal.
side note, I was looking up the regulations etc for making Alcohol fuels.
by law some of the larger Distilleries has an on premises BATFE (IRS) agent office. reason being, so they can make certain all the taxes are paid and waive the rules and laws when ever it threatens the production and the Revenue that the Gov't gets. (go to the BATFE .gov website and look it up.)
it almost looks like , if you line the IRS's pocket and you can get away with about anything.
try to avoid through deductions = heavy audits.
try to evade = get locked up or killed in a raid.
a couple weeks ago, I was reading an old Small Business Management book that was used for college courses. in one chapter, they had an example of a 11 year old boy with a red wagon, selling coffee and donuts to commuters, motorists, waiting through traffic jams. Gov't heard about Billy's Breakfast, they cracked down on the boy. spent tens of thousands, just to collect a total of 22 cents in taxes. after a big writeup in papers about it, they (the Gov't) later claimed the laws wasn't for casual businesses and that whole thing was a mistake. (happened in the 70'a or early 80's, I can't remember offhand.)
anyway, back to the topic, a black powder LeMat would be a nice snake killer. LeMat from Cabelas (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0036661212572a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&QueryText=Lemat&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=Lemat&noImage=0)
Cavalry version, 9 shot .44 with a nice 20 gauge 5" smooth bore. (if it is functional.)
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As a farmer, I can yet only shoot geese in a certain period of the year.
One does not shoot them (logically) in the spring and summer. Season goes off on Aug the 20th in our case, exactly when the youngsters are big enough to eat, and the whole pool starts sweeping up barley fields.
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Originally posted by McFarland
The land is not yours. It belongs to God, He made it.
Originally posted by McFarland
And someone's not going to wonder onto me land
So then, are you gods security guard, or are you and him just tight like that so he gave up a little slice?
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LOL :aok
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If it's gods land then what the hell are you doing putting electric fences around it and shooting people on gods land?
If snakes have some value for study and science then simply raise them in habitats/labs and kill any that get out.
It is not a tough problem.
lazs
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It isn't the land that I mostly care aboot, it's the things I have on it. Me home, me cars, me family, me life. And raising the amount of snakes it would take to get enough of the medical components of the venom would be an enormous cost. The scientists themselves don't even raise them in captivity. They catch them in the wild, milk the venom, and then release them to where they belong. In the wild. They don't have to feed them, clean up the cages, or other things such as that which would be expensive, and raise the cost of the venom, and therefore the medicine. And the snakes don't do much harm, and they do more good. Being able to stop breast cancer from spreading and growing could save thousands of lives. And these components are so complex that we aren't able to create them in the lab yet, and if we did, it would be expensive and in small quantities, too small to be of use.
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From Wikipedia;
"Snake farm
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A snake farm refers to a facility which houses and breeds a wide variety of snakes, often for the purpose of research and the collection of venom for the creation of antivenom. Many snake farms are primarily tourist attractions. Notable snake farms exist in the United States and Thailand."
So, you farm snakes to collect venom to create antivenom which is used to treat the snakebites that you get in the wild.
Even if it does not make sence to you Mr.McSnakeland, it's the way it seems to be.
Enjoy the Sunday.
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We have a SnW .357mag with mini bird-shot like "snakerounds" that work good...:t
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Originally posted by Angus
From Wikipedia;
"Snake farm
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
A snake farm refers to a facility which houses and breeds a wide variety of snakes, often for the purpose of research and the collection of venom for the creation of antivenom. Many snake farms are primarily tourist attractions. Notable snake farms exist in the United States and Thailand."
So, you farm snakes to collect venom to create antivenom which is used to treat the snakebites that you get in the wild.
Even if it does not make sence to you Mr.McSnakeland, it's the way it seems to be.
Enjoy the Sunday.
Yes, but with the new medications being found, the large amounts of venom that are needed can't just be obtained from snake farms, they are collected from wild snakes that are caught and released. Otherwise the medicines found in the venom would be extremely expensive due to the cost of feeding that many snakes.
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we need large amounts of venom to create antivenom to cure people from snakebites.
lazs
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No, not really. Not that many people get bit by snakes. The largest part of venoms collected now go towards research. Such as the new medicines found in them.
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You also milk wild cattle?
There is a purpouse with a "farm" you know. You keep animals handy, as well as trained, fed and cared for, for maximum performance.
Me thinks you are BS'ing.
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Well, I am not. A lot of the venom collected is wild caught. Keeping them in captivity would be very expensive, as you would need food sources, clean cages, and trained handlers. And snakes don't have a "maximum performance". They have a set amount of venom. Therefore, catching them out of the wild and collecting the venom, and then releasing them, you don't have to feed them or cage them. You just have to find them, which isn't that hard if you know how and where to look. In fact some places will let you bring them snakes you've found, or come and pick them up. It's just cheaper and easier that way.
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their venom is either worth it or not. raise em or don't. If it takes that much venom for research then the research is shoddy.
but...
You still haven't told us what gun you like for killing snakes.
lazs
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their venom is either worth it or not. raise em or don't. If it takes that much venom for research then the research is shoddy.
No, the research is not shoddy. It takes a lot of venom to get the individual compounds out in any quantity. Firs they have to dehydrate the venom, which takes away a large amount. Then they have to take out the individual compounds to study, some of which only account for 3% of the venom mass. Then they are able to study what each compound does. It takes even more venom to make enough to be able to use it in medicine. The large amounts of venom needed would be extremely expensive if they had to feed the snakes. This would cause the medicine itself to be very expensive, and not as many people would be able to afford it. And the medicine is very much worth it. The compound is able to keep breast cancer (and possibly other cancers) from spreading and growing. This could save thousands of lives, and improve many others. And the medicine has no side affects, a benefit no other cancer treatment has.
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sounds like bs to me.. they could do it much more effectively by simply raising the snakes themselves in a habitat. If it takes swimming pools of the stuff then it is not worth it.
so again... how many people have been cured (other than people cured from .... snake bites) by snake venom?
How many have been killed or injured by snakes?
I will continue to kill em.
but you never did answer... what is a good gun for killing them in your opinion?
or can you just use your lucky charms to put a spell one em?
lazs
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sounds like bs to me.. they could do it much more effectively by simply raising the snakes themselves in a habitat. If it takes swimming pools of the stuff then it is not worth it.
so again... how many people have been cured (other than people cured from .... snake bites) by snake venom?
You seem to have an erronous idea of how much venom a snake can produce. Snakes produce very little venom, at one milking you can get maybe 2-3 drops of venom, and you can maybe milk the snake once a week. It would take many snakes raised in captivity to produce enough venom to make the medicine. Whoch would be expensive and inefficient. It is much simpler to allow the snakes to live in the wild and collect them when you find them and milk them. A lot more snakes will live in the wild than you could raise in a lab.
And just what is worth saving a life to you? What if it was your daughter who had breast cancer, how far would you go to keep her from sufferring and to save her life? How much would you say was too much? I'm willing to bet that if it took thirty truckloads of venom to make enough medicine to save your daughter, you would do it. So would everyone else. I know what it's like to have a family member/really close friend with cancer. I know what it's like to have a family member with diabetes. I would do anything to cure them, even if it killed me.
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Every time you kill a snake baby satan cries. ;)
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Originally posted by Shamus
Just remember..if you are going to trespass on McFarlands place, wear a snake costume.
shamus
Now THAT was funny! I did indeed LOL.
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Here's a shot of a handler milking just a bare few drops of venom from a rattler; note the bucket.
(http://www.durangotexas.com/eyesontexas/festivals/rattlesnake/snakefiles/snake29.jpg)
After this the snakes are made into good rattlers:
(http://www.durangotexas.com/eyesontexas/festivals/rattlesnake/snakefiles/snake7.jpg)
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Notice that there were many rattlers? Notice that the venom was forced out? When milking snakes that are meant to stay alive, you don't force the venom out, it can hurt the snake. And why exactly were they slaughtering snakes?
No, Satan doesn't cry when a snake dies. It wasn't a snake that persuaded Adam and Eve to eat the fruit, it was the Devil himself, diguised as a serpent.
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McFarland are you perhaps in Slytherin house?
Just askin ;)
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Not sure what that is, so I'll just say this: No, I'm not in a mental institute of any kind.
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Harry Potter reference just to lighten the mood :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogwarts_Houses
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They kill the snakes to supply the kitchen with raw material, of course.
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Ahhhhhhh...hissss.
Voldemorth....:D
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Originally posted by McFarland
You seem to have an erronous idea of how much venom a snake can produce. Snakes produce very little venom, at one milking you can get maybe 2-3 drops of venom
2-3 drops?????
You actualy don`t know JS about snakes, do you?
You might want to go to a rattlesnake roundup sometime and check out your 2-3 drops BS. :rofl
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I have never milked the venom from a snake but I did talk to a guy who did and he said the rattlers he milked produced a hell of a lot more than a few drops at a time. Have you ever milked on mcfarland? have you ever even seen a real rattler?
and.. all that "stuff" on your land.. cars and such.... it isn't your "stuff" it is gods stuff you arrogant sob.
lazs
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It depends on the way you milk them. If you force the venom out, you can get quite a good bit. If you just let them put out what they want, you will only get 2-3 drops, maybe 5 if the snake is really in a bad mood. Snakes don't waste their venom by putting out more than they need. But if you force the venom out, it can hurt the snake's venom glands, and can cause complications. If you are milking the snake so that it will live, you don't force the venom out.
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well then.. I would appear that the snake handlers and venom harvesters are killing more snakes than I am since they are getting more than "a few drops" from them..
I you were humane at all... you would call for an end to the practice and allow only scientific milking at snake farms..
We could then just kill the rest of em in the wild.
lazs
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And how would killing them all or putting them all into captivity (where they don't belong) be more humane? Seems there has been a lot of anti snake propaganda BS shoved down your throat.
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Rattlers?
Smoke 'em on the grill and serve with chipotle sauce.
Tastes JUST LIKE CHICKEN!
68ROX
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What's next? Milking free-running cows in the fields?
Yeah, chase them with a bottle.
:D
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My cows do run free in the fields. Used to, you only used fences to keep things out (such as out of the garden), the cows and pigs went where they wanted unless you put them in the barn for some reason. But now we use them to keep things in, but my cows still graze out in the fields. They come when I call them, and they are easily milked.
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Originally posted by McFarland
My cows do run free in the fields. Used to, you only used fences to keep things out (such as out of the garden), the cows and pigs went where they wanted unless you put them in the barn for some reason. But now we use them to keep things in, but my cows still graze out in the fields. They come when I call them, and they are easily milked.
LMAOITFF
You ever think of doing stand up comedy?
We are going to have to start a new trend----->McFarselandisms. :)
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What is funny about it? Everyone here does.
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man... I get accused of being a redneck all the time but... even I am starting to hear banjo music.. and it is creeping me out.
lazs
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No canoe for McFarseland. :)
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Originally posted by lazs2
man... I get accused of being a redneck all the time but... even I am starting to hear banjo music.. and it is creeping me out.
lazs
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Beautiful, I hope you're prepared to pay for the shirt and monitor I destroyed with coffee when I read that!:furious Oh yeah, the coffee too!!!
That said, It just might end up as a new line in my sig..................:D
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Originally posted by lazs2
man... I get accused of being a redneck all the time but... even I am starting to hear banjo music.. and it is creeping me out.
lazs
ive been hearing banjo music,where have you been. :huh :D
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Aint nothing wrong with bluegrass. Good music, better than what they play on the radios nowadays.
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Originally posted by storch
no need to fear snakes, leave them alone they are providing rodent control.
What Storch said. I relocated them back into the woods. Good pest control species.
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Snake-related link:
http://www.mbl.is/mm/folk/frett.html?nid=1281619
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do what you want about snakes and I will do what I want but.. if you want to get rid of rodents...
get a cat.
as for bluegrass.. it really gets on my nerves.. I can stand a little of everything except rap but bluegrass is right up there with... very few I can stand. I really hate banjo music. Accordians and bagpipes are harps in comparison.
lazs
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I like accordians, harps, and bagpipes as well as banjos, guitars, and fiddles. All good music. Ranking bluegrass with rap is like calling General Lee a yankee. Rap should be illegal everywhere, it only promotes violence and drugs. Bluegrass should be played everywhere, it promotes peace and the good old days.
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bluegrass does not promote peace.. after about 10 minutes of endless banjo solo I want to drag the person off the stage and beat the crap out of him to get him to stop.
lazs
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How about shooting him instead with a snake gun?
(Whistles duelling banjos...innocently :D)
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This thread should be locked now IMO, it's just a broken record.