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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ghastly on July 03, 2007, 11:59:56 PM
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But it sucks when you end up cutting your night short because all of the carrier planes are suddenly ENY'ed out, simply because you are getting close to a reset and your opponents log off.
There has to be a better way to accomplish whatever it is that ENY is supposed to be accomplishing.
(And no, when I signed in numbers were nearly even - and while quitting for the night before I otherwise would leaves a bitter taste in my mouth - it's better than the thought of changing to the other side and fighting against the guys I've been fighting beside for the last 3 hours.)
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Although when I first get back into game again, I'll be just as horrible as i was before my accounted went kuput. I like being squad free and going to other sides and help them out if they outnumbered. As for the ENY, yeah it can be little blah at times but sometimes it is challenging to go against a better pilot in a better plane, even though I lose 9 out of 10 times :rolleyes:
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How strong imballance must be to cut off F4U-1? :huh
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F4u-1, la5fn, Yak9U Eny has to be REAL high to effect any of these.
And in their own way, each is a sweet killing machine.
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whats fair about me not having a choice of planes? the other country with less numbers gets to choose any plane he wants to fly. get rid of this fair play. we dont need it (eny). i pay my $15 just like everyone else. i want to be able to choose what plane i think is the best for a certain task. please remove these restrictions on fun.
my 2 cents
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The part that amazes me is that a country can be on the verge of winning the war with nothing but carriers !!!
If YOU restrict yourself to flying only certain planes, YOU restrict you own fun !
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Originally posted by Oleg
How strong imballance must be to cut off F4U-1? :huh
I couldn't up one on Saturday night for about 20-30 minutes with eny sitting between 25-28. Thank God for the A8 or I would have been lost! :confused: Didn't matter, after a bit all was good and the bish got the reset... was fun overall.
Oh, the imballance was about 110 bish, 50 or so nits and 50 or so rooks. Roughly.... :aok
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What bugs me is when countries 1 and 2 can be at, say, 130 and 110, respectively, while country 3 has 70, and ONLY country 1 gets slammed by ENY because they're the high number of players.
While I understand the concept, I think the execution still needs work. I think a more dynamic setup than there already is is necessary, where ENY restrictions are based more on the local theater.
Or alternately, one I've heard suggested, is that ENY doesn't eliminate flyable planes, but rather drastically increases the perk price of ones that are already perked, and makes planes that otherwise would be blocked out INTO perked rides (sufficiently perked so that people actually feel it).
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A new ENY whine....lovely:O
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if that was a response to my statement fugitive.....
the eny does the restrictions, not me. the eny restricts my choice, not me. like i said. i want to be able to up what i think is best to get it done. wether it be an la7 for quick defence, a pony for hi alt fighting or a spit. whatever. let me decide. not some fair play fomula.
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Originally posted by DadRabit
if that was a response to my statement fugitive.....
the eny does the restrictions, not me. the eny restricts my choice, not me. like i said. i want to be able to up what i think is best to get it done. wether it be an la7 for quick defence, a pony for hi alt fighting or a spit. whatever. let me decide. not some fair play fomula.
You may not want to hear this, but you can up any plane any time. All you have to do is switch sides, or arenas. I know some of you folks are very "phobic" about change, but the option is there. YOU are the only one limiting YOU.
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1. up any plane at any time? not in mw or ew which i fly in all the time. only reason is because frame rates seem better than in ma. my choice.
2. change countrys? i tour countrys all the time. great way to meet and fly with the folks you fight against. great fun.
3. phobic? not a phobia to disagree with a restriction that says i can't up this plane because there are not enough players on the other side. there are winners and losers. somebody has to lose. someone has to win.
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Originally posted by Saxman
What bugs me is when countries 1 and 2 can be at, say, 130 and 110, respectively, while country 3 has 70, and ONLY country 1 gets slammed by ENY because they're the high number of players.
I believe ENY hit countries with >33% players. Say, if numbers are 50/100/150 only 3rd country will have ENY, but if numbers are 50/120/130 ENY will hit both 2nd and 3rd countries.
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I don't recall the F4F ever being ENY'd out.
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Easiest fix is to disable the ENY rule
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There are so many different planes to fly, I can't bring myself to care if a few or even most of them get disabled now and then.
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Happened one night a couple weeks ago, Oleg. Rooks had 130, Bish had 110-120, Nits had 70. The Bish were rolling the Rooks with La-7s and high-value perks (and no, it wasn't because all the Rooks were busy with the Nits. Numbers were evenly matched in the theater between Rooks/Bish).
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In your example bish has ~36% its quite small exceeding, ENY didnt reached 5 most probably. Just check country status next time.
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Originally posted by SOB
There are so many different planes to fly, I can't bring myself to care if a few or even most of them get disabled now and then.
Holy crap SOB! What rock you been under? Or was it a sheep?
;)
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Baaaaa :)
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:D
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Belittle me if you want, but the bottom line is that given a choice between a game that has it in it's current poorly implemented state with it's abrupt and disruptive impact on individual game play and a sim that didn't, I'd fly the sim that didn't.
My point is it needs improvement.
Unless of course the goal is that to have players log, in which case it's working just fine.
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"I like the concept of fair play"
No you don't ... otherwise you wouldn't have started this thread.
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I am far from uber in the game, but I fly the FM2 and spit IX a lot, so eny doesn't often effect me.
Try to fly something with high eny and get good at it.
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Can we maybe cap it? Too mach of a good thing can be a bad thing sometimes
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The following are available if ENY climbs to 24, with those tagged with * available if ENY climbs to 29.
A-20G (first rate jabo and capable dogfighter)
A6M2*
109E*
109F-4*
109G-2*
109G-6*
110C-4b*
Boston III* (ok jabo and dogfighter)
C.202*
F4U-1
190A-5
190A-8*
Hurricane MK.I*
Hurricane MK.IID
IL-2
Ki-61
Mosquito
P-38G*
P-40B*
P-40E*
P-47D-11
SBD-5* (ok jabo, excellent dogfighter)
Spitfire MK.I*
Spitfire Mk.V (first rate furballer)
TBM-3* (good jabo, good dogfighter if need be)
Yak-9T
I would not feel outclassed in most of these, especially the P-38G, P-40E, P-47D-11, F4U-1,109F, 109G2, 109G-6 and 190A-5, all of which can handle anything that comes along. The F4U-1 is quite good and the main ride for several top pilots. The P-38G can haul 2k in bombs and is fearsome in a dogfight. Moreover, the P-40E can be a real handful if it has a good pilot. Then there's the 190A-5, a first class ride and a terrific plane in which to pick off the clueless. The Jug is very lethal and something not to be underestimated. My favorite 109 is the G-2, capable of abusing any of the low ENY hotrods. If you think any of the above are not capable, come see me in the TA one evening and I'll be happy to demonstrate what they are able to do.
Gents, there's no reason to whine about ENY if you have even average fighter skills. There's lots of choices and many of them are very capable. All in all, I fly high ENY fighters much of the time anyway, so a high ENY doesn't faze me in the least.
Most carrier fighters are disabled? Grab an SBD and have a ball. It'll gobble up almost any fighter if the pilot is silly enough to try turning with it. Ditto for the TBM. Plus, the TBM can haul 2k in bombs, and six rockets. Forget the rear guns, fly it like a fighter and enjoy the chance to humble the dweebs.
My suggestion is to use ENY restrictions as an opportunity to broaden your horizons.
My regards,
Widewing
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Well said Widewing, by NOT trying to fly the other planes, your missing out on so much more that the game has to offer !
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Well said Widewing, by NOT trying to fly the other planes, your missing out on so much more that the game has to offer !
Agreed.
- oldman
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Problem with ENY isn't the concept, it's current format doesn't work well with the ability to hop arenas.
What happens close to a reset -
The country about to be reset loses players as they either log off or hop to a different arena.
Result - ENY rockets.
Planes ENY values need sorting out also, they are currently in such disarray they are meaningless.
ENY values 'used' to seem to represent a planes effectiveness/performance many moons ago.
Now as it is being used to limit popular planes individual values are scattered all over the place.
Make the ENY value actaully represent something, so the late war high performers are the first to be limited, then work your way down from there.
It's ridiculous that a 1942 Hurri IIc is limited WAY before 1945/4 rides.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
It's ridiculous that a 1942 Hurri IIc is limited WAY before 1945/4 rides.
And in most cases, this is justified. Look at the killstats. HurriIIC has consistently one of the highest K/D in the whole planeset. Currently it is #3 ranked non-perk plane with a average K/D of 1.61, in tour 89 it was even #1 non-perked plane!
It's impact clearly justifies a low ENY value.
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Originally posted by Ghastly
Belittle me if you want, but the bottom line is that given a choice between a game that has it in it's current poorly implemented state with it's abrupt and disruptive impact on individual game play and a sim that didn't, I'd fly the sim that didn't.
Well, good luck with that!
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Originally posted by Widewing
The following are available if ENY climbs to 24, with those tagged with * available if ENY climbs to 29.
A-20G (first rate jabo and capable dogfighter)
A6M2*
109E*
109F-4*
109G-2*
109G-6*
110C-4b*
Boston III* (ok jabo and dogfighter)
C.202*
F4U-1
190A-5
190A-8*
Hurricane MK.I*
Hurricane MK.IID
IL-2
Ki-61
Mosquito
P-38G*
P-40B*
P-40E*
P-47D-11
SBD-5* (ok jabo, excellent dogfighter)
Spitfire MK.I*
Spitfire Mk.V (first rate furballer)
TBM-3* (good jabo, good dogfighter if need be)
Yak-9T
I would not feel outclassed in most of these, especially the P-38G, P-40E, P-47D-11, F4U-1,109F, 109G2, 109G-6 and 190A-5, all of which can handle anything that comes along. The F4U-1 is quite good and the main ride for several top pilots. The P-38G can haul 2k in bombs and is fearsome in a dogfight. Moreover, the P-40E can be a real handful if it has a good pilot. Then there's the 190A-5, a first class ride and a terrific plane in which to pick off the clueless. The Jug is very lethal and something not to be underestimated. My favorite 109 is the G-2, capable of abusing any of the low ENY hotrods. If you think any of the above are not capable, come see me in the TA one evening and I'll be happy to demonstrate what they are able to do.
Gents, there's no reason to whine about ENY if you have even average fighter skills. There's lots of choices and many of them are very capable. All in all, I fly high ENY fighters much of the time anyway, so a high ENY doesn't faze me in the least.
Most carrier fighters are disabled? Grab an SBD and have a ball. It'll gobble up almost any fighter if the pilot is silly enough to try turning with it. Ditto for the TBM. Plus, the TBM can haul 2k in bombs, and six rockets. Forget the rear guns, fly it like a fighter and enjoy the chance to humble the dweebs.
My suggestion is to use ENY restrictions as an opportunity to broaden your horizons.
My regards,
Widewing
Maybe reading the 'whine' would have helped. I think he said ALL cv planes disabled. No need to turn this in to a look at how good I am thread again. I don't care about ENY but at the same time, he does have a point. He and anyone else, do not need to broaden their horizons when they try to capture a base. They can do that when ever. There is no reason for an ENY of 40 and above. Let the people play the game they pay for.
As far as the list of the planes you listed above, pick one and Ill get in a lala. I ll see you in the DA. Lets see what the TBM can do. Unless you meant that as a joke. In that case, I appologise. :rofl
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guess instead of eny, you could restrict the number of players allowed on a team, if they have a certain percantage more, no one else allowed to log into the arena to play for that country. Unless someone has a better way to help balance gameplay instead. If gameplay not balanced, then its not a game at all, it's a grinding mmorpg.
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Fine, we can fix the ENY values. Just implement autoside balancing.
One minute you are a Bish, next you are a Rook for 60 minutes.
There, no more whining about ENY you poofter bastiges.
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Originally posted by Lusche
And in most cases, this is justified. Look at the killstats. HurriIIC has consistently one of the highest K/D in the whole planeset. Currently it is #3 ranked non-perk plane with a average K/D of 1.61, in tour 89 it was even #1 non-perked plane!
It's impact clearly justifies a low ENY value.
Which probably comes from the EW / MW arenas and not the LW.
Would expect its ENY to be low in the EW , middle range in MW , and high in the LW arenas.
Not the same in all 4.
Clearly as you progress from EW, thru MW, to LW a planes ENY value should increase, not remain the same.
Admitedly it's probably an oversight, but it's there just the same.
ENY should represent something tangible other than a planes popularity.
What happens if for some crazy reason the Spit Ia suddenly becomes popular for a couple of tours?
That get an ENY value of 5 like all the other popular planes?
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Originally posted by pluck
guess instead of eny, you could restrict the number of players allowed on a team, if they have a certain percantage more, no one else allowed to log into the arena to play for that country. Unless someone has a better way to help balance gameplay instead. If gameplay not balanced, then its not a game at all, it's a grinding mmorpg.
You can't balance it. You can try and help by using ENY and other things but you cannot balance it at all times. Losers will log and winners will stay. Thats how people are. There comes a point were the map is lost. A lot of people on the losing side will log and go into another arena or to bed. No need to punish everyone who is on by either ENY or no desent fights anywhere because of the vulchfests and low oposition. Let the map reset and balance will return instantly.
Locking people out of the arenas will cause WWIII :rofl
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Originally posted by dedalos
You can't balance it. You can try and help by using ENY and other things but you cannot balance it at all times. Losers will log and winners will stay. Thats how people are. There comes a point were the map is lost. A lot of people on the losing side will log and go into another arena or to bed. No need to punish everyone who is on by either ENY or no desent fights anywhere because of the vulchfests and low oposition. Let the map reset and balance will return instantly.
Locking people out of the arenas will cause WWIII :rofl
oh i agree that this way would not be the way to go. I think of eny the lesser of 2 evils, but yet necessary. I understand that when people are losing or what not, they tend to log off, and i can almost understand frustration that this may have on the win war guys....however, I don't think the game would be fun if it was 300 vs 100 vs 100 all day everday for example. (please people, don't take these numbers literally). One aspect of multiple arena's is that if your eny is really high in one area, i can almost assure you that the country in the other arena is outnumbered. Also as widewing pointed out, there are many fine aircraft out there. Map being reset probably accounts for no more than 1-2% of the time AH is running, so trying to work around that seems like you might be missing 98% of the rest of the time.....just my thoughts.
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We didn't have this problem in AH1. You just flew and if the map was won, you logged back in and flew again. If a side was being team stacked, too bad, they will be the team stackers in a few hours anyways. The wheel went round and round and it worked. Now the wheel squeaks, rumbles, skids and goes totally out of control. If it aint broke, don't fix it.
-Spot
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My suggestion is pick a 109 you like for times when ENY is high.
My order : P51D, P38J, BF109G-2, and the A6M.
If I cant up any of those I go to sleep.
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well said dedalos
:aok
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Which probably comes from the EW / MW arenas and not the LW.
Hurricane IIC had similar high K/Ds before the arenasplit, for example 1.46 in Tour 75 (randomly picked).
The split may have increased the numbers, but only to a very small degree because there is much less combat there, numbers varying between 3 - 10% of LW population.
Originally posted by Kev367th
ENY should represent something tangible other than a planes popularity.
What happens if for some crazy reason the Spit Ia suddenly becomes popular for a couple of tours?
That get an ENY value of 5 like all the other popular planes?
It already does. ENY considerations are not that simplicistic for sure.
Popularity isn't the base for ENY alone . Also you'r example is flawed, because it just won't ever happen.
The other planes don't have ENY 5 just because they are popular. They are popular because of their performance. They have ENY because (to a degree) to their performance.
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Originally posted by BBBB
We didn't have this problem in AH1. You just flew and if the map was won, you logged back in and flew again. If a side was being team stacked, too bad, they will be the team stackers in a few hours anyways. The wheel went round and round and it worked. Now the wheel squeaks, rumbles, skids and goes totally out of control. If it aint broke, don't fix it.
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ya AH1 was a completely different game...but i think changes made reflect the ever increasing population. If you have one arena with 600 people, and 300 people are all flying bish, while 200 nits, and 100 rooks....maybe a different story. In AH1, we had what 200-250 or so on prime time? AH1 long gone now.
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Originally posted by pluck
oh i agree that this way would not be the way to go. I think of eny the lesser of 2 evils, but yet necessary. I understand that when people are losing or what not, they tend to log off, and i can almost understand frustration that this may have on the win war guys....however, I don't think the game would be fun if it was 300 vs 100 vs 100 all day everday for example. (please people, don't take these numbers literally). One aspect of multiple arena's is that if your eny is really high in one area, i can almost assure you that the country in the other arena is outnumbered. Also as widewing pointed out, there are many fine aircraft out there. Map being reset probably accounts for no more than 1-2% of the time AH is running, so trying to work around that seems like you might be missing 98% of the rest of the time.....just my thoughts.
Agreed, for the 98% we use what we have (ENY). When ENY started people and HT said give it time. Well, it had time. It is either not working or it has reached its potential. In either case, the people that keep complaining about it are not changing countries. So, the only thing ENY can do now to help, is to limit their fire power. That may be fine when ENY is 10, 20, 30 or whatever the majic number is, but when we get close to a reset and ENY goes out of control it does not help anyone. It just prolongs a no fun situation. I cant find any fights they cannot reset the map and the guys with a few fields left are being vulched until they log off. So, maybe a cap would help a litle by allowing a faster reset of the map.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Maybe reading the 'whine' would have helped. I think he said ALL cv planes disabled. No need to turn this in to a look at how good I am thread again. I don't care about ENY but at the same time, he does have a point. He and anyone else, do not need to broaden their horizons when they try to capture a base. They can do that when ever. There is no reason for an ENY of 40 and above. Let the people play the game they pay for.
As far as the list of the planes you listed above, pick one and Ill get in a lala. I ll see you in the DA. Lets see what the TBM can do. Unless you meant that as a joke. In that case, I appologise. :rofl
I read his post... And if NO CV planes were available, then NO planes were available anywhere. I think he was overstating things. Even at an ENY of 39, the A6M2 is available on carriers. I very much doubt that ENY was at 40. I suspect that the plane he WANTED to fly was unavailable. Well, life sucks and you get old and wrinkled...
Many players will never graduate out of their low ENY hotrods unless forced to. Easy mode is where they're at. If ENY puts their late-war beastie out of reach, some run here and cry the blues.. There's always at least one ENY complaint thread running.
Now, as to the other matter. I'll be in the TA tonight for my scheduled 3 hours, between 9 PM and Midnight Eastern. Stop by, grab your Lala and I'll take a 109F or a 109G-2. Cya later. ;)
My regards,
Widewing
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Many players will never graduate out of their low ENY hotrods unless forced to. Easy mode is where they're at. If ENY puts their late-war beastie out of reach, some run here and cry the blues.. There's always at least one ENY complaint thread running.
I have bad news for you. This is not millitary school. Its a game. No one needs to graduate from anything. An ENY of 40 does not take the beasts away. It takes a lot more. Personaly I could not care less. I can do fine in a 202 but that is not the point. I made my point above.
BTW A plane with ENY of 30 is not a hotrod.
Now, as to the other matter. I'll be in the TA tonight for my scheduled 3 hours, between 9 PM and Midnight Eastern. Stop by, grab your Lala and I'll take a 109F or a 109G-2. Cya later. ;)
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See, you are not reading. I said DA. I am not going to take your word for when I died. You ll have to make me go boom boom not pew pew pew I just killd your left flapz. Whats up with the F and the G2? lol. Read your post and mine. It will be LA7 vs TBM or SBD. According to you, they are fine planes to take into a fight. Show us. Then we will do F4 vs F4 and maybe some 5" guns latter eh?
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Originally posted by dedalos
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BTW A plane with ENY of 30 is not a hotrod.
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You're wrong on this.
For example the 109F-4 is one of the best furballers in game, enough to handle all the Hurri, Spits, p51s in game.
And ENY 40... I really would like to see a screenshot of that next time. I never saw ENY > 30 in one of the LW's. Even ENY> 20 is quite rare, you must have substantial numbers to get that high. And everytime the ENY goes up like this in EW & MW, it's usally a squad with >10 members rolling bases against two countries with maybe 2 players combined.
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It all must work well for the business end of things or it would not exist.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Whats up with the F and the G2? lol. Read your post and mine. It will be LA7 vs TBM or SBD.
Your post was " As far as the list of the planes you listed above, pick one and Ill get in a lala". He did pick any.
BTW, you don't need DA to tulips plane performances. No fancy "boom" is needed to notice that you can't shake a plane from your six ;)
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Originally posted by Lusche
You're wrong on this.
For example the 109F-4 is one of the best furballers in game, enough to handle all the Hurri, Spits, p51s in game.
And ENY 40... I really would like to see a screenshot of that next time. I never saw ENY > 30 in one of the LW's. Even ENY> 20 is quite rare, you must have substantial numbers to get that high. And everytime the ENY goes up like this in EW & MW, it's usally a squad with >10 members rolling bases against two countries with maybe 2 players combined.
:rofl That does not make it a hotrod. In anycase, that is not my point.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Hurricane IIC had similar high K/Ds before the arenasplit, for example 1.46 in Tour 75 (randomly picked).
The split may have increased the numbers, but only to a very small degree because there is much less combat there, numbers varying between 3 - 10% of LW population.
It already does. ENY considerations are not that simplicistic for sure.
Popularity isn't the base for ENY alone . Also you'r example is flawed, because it just won't ever happen.
The other planes don't have ENY 5 just because they are popular. They are popular because of their performance. They have ENY because (to a degree) to their performance.
To continue using tour 75 as an example -
If you remove all ground targets its K/D drops to 1.19.
Thats against fighters and buffs only.
What is needed is a tour pre split and pre ENY, that would give a better picture.
I know the Spit Ia thing won't ever happen, it was a theory.
And yes it would get an ENY of 5 if it happened, every other popular plane did EXCEPT the PonyD.
Funny how what is basically a 1943 LF IX (XVI) is rated up there with 1945/44 birds.
Even accounting for the 50cals it's still a pre July 1944 LF IXe.
Yet there are 1944/45 birds with ENY's of 20+
XVI ENY is primarily because it's popular, not performance.
Only reason the VIII isn't ENY 5 is it isn't so popular, bearing in mind performance wise (apart from roll) they are all but identical.
All I'm asking for is for a planes ENY to based on its performance, not its popularity, not if its 'easy' to fly (subjective anyway).
Also for planes that are in all arenas the ENY should get higher as you progress from EW --> MW --> LW
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Originally posted by Lusche
Your post was " As far as the list of the planes you listed above, pick one and Ill get in a lala". He did pick any.
BTW, you don't need DA to tulips plane performances. No fancy "boom" is needed to notice that you can't shake a plane from your six ;)
Ahhh, true, but he told people about the TBM and the SBD and since the original post was about CV planes I thought he may want to show me how to use them lol.
You really think he will see my 6? This is not going to be about pilot skill but about planes. You think if I use the lala to its straingths he will actually have a shot? :rofl What I don't want is a singe ping from 1K out and him going you are dead on vox (not that has ever happened in the TA, just saing)
Whats wrong with the DA? It will take all and any questions about the outcome of the fight away. I guess that could be the problem?
We could do the pilot thing afterwards. We can do F4s or 5" guns, whatever he feels more confortable in.
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Easiest fix is to disable the ENY rule
I agree totally.
Jugman
:aok
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Originally posted by dedalos
I have bad news for you. This is not millitary school. Its a game. No one needs to graduate from anything. An ENY of 40 does not take the beasts away. It takes a lot more. Personaly I could not care less. I can do fine in a 202 but that is not the point. I made my point above.
BTW A plane with ENY of 30 is not a hotrod.
See, you are not reading. I said DA. I am not going to take your word for when I died. You ll have to make me go boom boom not pew pew pew I just killd your left flapz. Whats up with the F and the G2? lol. Read your post and mine. It will be LA7 vs TBM or SBD. According to you, they are fine planes to take into a fight. Show us. Then we will do F4 vs F4 and maybe some 5" guns latter eh?
The only guy here with a reading problem is you.
Here's what I stated, try to follow it: "I would not feel outclassed in most of these, especially the P-38G, P-40E, P-47D-11, F4U-1,109F, 109G2, 109G-6 and 190A-5, all of which can handle anything that comes along. The F4U-1 is quite good and the main ride for several top pilots. The P-38G can haul 2k in bombs and is fearsome in a dogfight. Moreover, the P-40E can be a real handful if it has a good pilot. Then there's the 190A-5, a first class ride and a terrific plane in which to pick off the clueless. The Jug is very lethal and something not to be underestimated. My favorite 109 is the G-2, capable of abusing any of the low ENY hotrods. If you think any of the above are not capable, come see me in the TA one evening and I'll be happy to demonstrate what they are able to do."
I don't see the SBD or TBM in there... And I offered the TA because that's where I'll be.
My comments on the SBD/TBM were: "Most carrier fighters are disabled? Grab an SBD and have a ball. It'll gobble up almost any fighter if the pilot is silly enough to try turning with it. Ditto for the TBM. Plus, the TBM can haul 2k in bombs, and six rockets. Forget the rear guns, fly it like a fighter and enjoy the chance to humble the dweebs."
TBMs and SBDs are great fun to take into a fight, especially a low and slow furball. I do it all the time. You've never gone out looking for a fight in an SBD? If not, you're missing a lot of fun.
Why don't you like the TA? Not sure you're dead? Not sure if you hit them hard enough for a kill? Believe me, people know when they've been hosed and you'll know when you score well. I've dueled Nomak, Skyrock, Stang, 2bighorn, Platano, Creton, Murdr, TC, Batfink, Slapshot, Timmpa, Urchin and a dozen others in the TA. We all had fun and everyone of us understood when we had been beaten. These duels were about having fun, not measuring winkies. If you want to have some fun, stop in. My obligation is in the TA tonight and Friday night. That's where you can find me...
My regards,
Widewing
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i just cant see having a ball flying a TBM or SBD in a furball. whenever i see them i start to drool.
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My comments on the SBD/TBM were: "Most carrier fighters are disabled? Grab an SBD and have a ball. It'll gobble up almost any fighter if the pilot is silly enough to try turning with it. Ditto for the TBM. Plus, the TBM can haul 2k in bombs, and six rockets. Forget the rear guns, fly it like a fighter and enjoy the chance to humble the dweebs."
Yep. Bring it on. Come gobble me up. The assumption that anyone would try to turn with an SBD is silly at best. There is no reason to.
What is wrong with the DA? This is not about fun and not about measuring anything other than LA7 beats SBD. But you can use the G2 or G6 if you like. The results will be the same. All this is besides the point though. This was an argument about ENY not about how good you could do in the planes you listed and not about you telling people what to fly and when.
My obligation in the DA or any of the arenas. Ill see you there.
Holding breath now, lol
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Originally posted by dedalos
My comments on the SBD/TBM were: "Most carrier fighters are disabled? Grab an SBD and have a ball. It'll gobble up almost any fighter if the pilot is silly enough to try turning with it. Ditto for the TBM. Plus, the TBM can haul 2k in bombs, and six rockets. Forget the rear guns, fly it like a fighter and enjoy the chance to humble the dweebs."
Yep. Bring it on. Come gobble me up. The assumption that anyone would try to turn with an SBD is silly at best. There is no reason to.
What is wrong with the DA? This is not about fun and not about measuring anything other than LA7 beats SBD. But you can use the G2 or G6 if you like. The results will be the same. All this is besides the point though. This was an argument about ENY not about how good you could do in the planes you listed and not about you telling people what to fly and when.
My obligation in the DA or any of the arenas. Ill see you there.
Holding breath now, lol
I really tried, honestly. I gave the benefit of the doubt. I reiterated to make sure I was clear. I explained things in a concise and easy to understand manner.
Nonetheless, you have utterly missed the point... I'm not surprised.
Let's see if you can follow this, it isn't difficult: I am scheduled to be in the TA tonight and tomorrow night. Understand? That's a commitment. I have people scheduled for Training. I can, however, set aside a few minutes to play tag and we'll see if you're the hotshot you think you are.
You know where, you know when, I've said it three times already. Show up or go away.
My regards,
Widewing
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It's HTC's game, they can (obviously) do what they want with it.
And I do like the concept of ENY, as I understood it originally - a mechanism to prevent one side from steamrolling the other side. But the problem is that in practice, I can't honestly say I've ever seen it doing that. I see an awful lot of 80% of the players on a side at one front, while the remaining 20% are trying to defend the other front at 5 to 1 odds against the 80% of the players playing for that country which are pitted against them - (and getting generally steamrolled of course in the process).
Way too much of the time it seems as though the choice when you sign in is to join the big bunch and whomp on one side or join the little bunch and get whomped on. And even when I've seen ENY kick in, it doesn't generally seem to change that in the slightest. Some guys log, and a bunch of guys sit in the tower and complain, and the majority continue trying to overwhelm the other side with numbers, usually with enough of a numbers advantage to negate the limitations of the aircraft they've been limited to.
In fact, the biggest impact ENY has from what I can see is usually on the "forgotten" guys who were already locally outnumbered trying to defend at the other end at the map - who give up trying to defend at that point and go join the herd at the other end. From what I can see the higher ENY climbs, the more it simply concentrates the players further in one giant herd as everyone groups up.
My biggest frustration the other night was that I'd spent the night flying from the CV along side a bunch of guys, and as soon as the Rooks took a field, a significant number of players on the other side logged, and the CV mission - which was 2 1/2 or 3 sectors away from any furball I might add - stalled and fell apart completely.
I can fly any plane in the game and do reasonably well in it. It wasn't about the choice of plane - except by proxy, the plane (F6F) that was chosen for the mission was ENY'ed out at launch time and the whole thing turned into a CF, fell apart, and the night ended abruptly as the mission splintered.
I was upset because a game mechanic which adds very little to my PERSONAL enjoyment of the game - and which moreover doesn't seem do do diddlysquat if I understand what it's supposed to do - managed to end something I had been enjoying abruptly, stone cold.
Maybe ENY should be set for each player at the point where it is when they log in or change sides - and remain at that level until they log out or change sides again. At least then it would encourage sideswitching to the lower side when you log in and discourage switching to the higher side later in the game. It would also end the current nonsense of sitting in the tower hoping to wait it out, and it wouldn't interfere and penalize those players who chose a side when the numbers were even. Nor would it further handicap those players who are already fighting with a local numbers disadvantage.
Or even better yet it should be applied locally in the first place, and then it might actually work (if the intent is to even the playing field).
Unless of course the intent is to have players simply log in frustration, in which case there's no reason to change it at all - from what I can see it does a pretty good job of it already.
That's all. Rant over.
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Originally posted by Lusche
You're wrong on this.
For example the 109F-4 is one of the best furballers in game, enough to handle all the Hurri, Spits, p51s in game.
Lushe
i have to disagree, maybe in your hands that 109f-4 is one of the best,
but if you were in hurri and 109 attacked you what would happen?
i kill 109s easy in my hurri, but its not planes im killin its pilots,
i also shot down a 109k4 in p40 e(couple times), out turned a zero in that same p40
and then i was in my hurri2c and along comes this 109 and out turns me.
i think what i am trying to say is plane doesn't matter so much,
pilot skill is 9o% of the determining factor to the out come of an engagement,
5% is plane
5% is initial advantage
any other factor that might be brought into the equation falls under pilot skill. that is why i feel pilot skill is so important
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Originally posted by Ghastly
I can fly any plane in the game and do reasonably well in it. It wasn't about the choice of plane - except by proxy, the plane (F6F) that was chosen for the mission was ENY'ed out at launch time and the whole thing turned into a CF, fell apart, and the night ended abruptly as the mission splintered.
might actually work (if the intent is to even the playing field).
Well, I can see how that would be supremely annoying. Someone should post a request on the Wishlist forum asking that once a mission is posted, the planes are locked in regardless of ENY. That's only fair considering that some guys spend quite a bit of time planning a mission. Moreover, other players may have been sitting in a tower for 15 to 20 minutes waiting when they could have been doing something else. It's not like that plane is available to all, just the few joining the mission.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by ink
Lushe
i have to disagree, maybe in your hands that 109f-4 is one of the best,
but if you were in hurri and 109 attacked you what would happen?
Both pilots being at least average sticks of same skill level? The 109F pilot would utilize his power advantage and take the fight into the vertical instead of simple flat turning with the HurriII. Having both greater ROC & level speed, he can disengage and reengage at will.
And take note that full flaps out both turn radius and turn rate are very close, so the HurriII has a small turnign advantage but a huge power/climb/speed/acceleration disadvantage.
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Originally posted by Ghastly
It's HTC's game, they can (obviously) do what they want with it.
And I do like the concept of ENY, as I understood it originally - a mechanism to prevent one side from steamrolling the other side. But the problem is that in practice, I can't honestly say I've ever seen it doing that. I see an awful lot of 80% of the players on a side at one front, while the remaining 20% are trying to defend the other front at 5 to 1 odds against the 80% of the players playing for that country which are pitted against them - (and getting generally steamrolled of course in the process).
Way too much of the time it seems as though the choice when you sign in is to join the big bunch and whomp on one side or join the little bunch and get whomped on. And even when I've seen ENY kick in, it doesn't generally seem to change that in the slightest. Some guys log, and a bunch of guys sit in the tower and complain, and the majority continue trying to overwhelm the other side with numbers, usually with enough of a numbers advantage to negate the limitations of the aircraft they've been limited to.
In fact, the biggest impact ENY has from what I can see is usually on the "forgotten" guys who were already locally outnumbered trying to defend at the other end at the map - who give up trying to defend at that point and go join the herd at the other end. From what I can see the higher ENY climbs, the more it simply concentrates the players further in one giant herd as everyone groups up.
My biggest frustration the other night was that I'd spent the night flying from the CV along side a bunch of guys, and as soon as the Rooks took a field, a significant number of players on the other side logged, and the CV mission - which was 2 1/2 or 3 sectors away from any furball I might add - stalled and fell apart completely.
I can fly any plane in the game and do reasonably well in it. It wasn't about the choice of plane - except by proxy, the plane (F6F) that was chosen for the mission was ENY'ed out at launch time and the whole thing turned into a CF, fell apart, and the night ended abruptly as the mission splintered.
I was upset because a game mechanic which adds very little to my PERSONAL enjoyment of the game - and which moreover doesn't seem do do diddlysquat if I understand what it's supposed to do - managed to end something I had been enjoying abruptly, stone cold.
Maybe ENY should be set for each player at the point where it is when they log in or change sides - and remain at that level until they log out or change sides again. At least then it would encourage sideswitching to the lower side when you log in and discourage switching to the higher side later in the game. It would also end the current nonsense of sitting in the tower hoping to wait it out, and it wouldn't interfere and penalize those players who chose a side when the numbers were even. Nor would it further handicap those players who are already fighting with a local numbers disadvantage.
Or even better yet it should be applied locally in the first place, and then it might actually work (if the intent is to even the playing field).
Unless of course the intent is to have players simply log in frustration, in which case there's no reason to change it at all - from what I can see it does a pretty good job of it already.
That's all. Rant over.
Spot on there Ghastly.
Missions are a real pain, yup it should be locked at the ENY when the mission was posted.
Can't count the amount of times it changes before the mission launches and all of a sudden you don't have a mission anymore.
Problem isn't really even getting people to switch sides, it's stopping people logging or hopping to the other arena.
Then again the arena hopping problem was foretold as soon as the LW arena split.
It was an obvious outcome of having multiple arenas to choose from.
ENY and the multiple arenas are actually counter productive under the current game format.
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Originally posted by Widewing
I really tried, honestly. I gave the benefit of the doubt. I reiterated to make sure I was clear. I explained things in a concise and easy to understand manner.
Nonetheless, you have utterly missed the point... I'm not surprised.
Let's see if you can follow this, it isn't difficult: I am scheduled to be in the TA tonight and tomorrow night. Understand? That's a commitment. I have people scheduled for Training. I can, however, set aside a few minutes to play tag and we'll see if you're the hotshot you think you are.
You know where, you know when, I've said it three times already. Show up or go away.
My regards,
Widewing
Yeah, it don't work that way does it? I'm not showing up anywhere you ask me to. You show up where I ask you. Does that compute? If you are busy, we meet another day but it wont be in the TA. Take sometime off your 5" guns next time you are in the MA (unless thats a comitment too, lol). Its not about me being a hot shot. Its about the planes, Understand? lol
Now, you know where. Just say when or go away and post something about how good you are in some some plane.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Both pilots being at least average sticks of same skill level? The 109F pilot would utilize his power advantage and take the fight into the vertical instead of simple flat turning with the HurriII. Having both greater ROC & level speed, he can disengage and reengage at will.
And take note that full flaps out both turn radius and turn rate are very close, so the HurriII has a small turnign advantage but a huge power/climb/speed/acceleration disadvantage.
I agree, the F should win if flown good/right. However, the cannons on the hurri could end the fight fast with a snapshot.
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Originally posted by dedalos
I agree, the F should win if flown good/right. However, the cannons on the hurri could end the fight fast with a snapshot.
Absolutely. Flying in front of the Hurri's cannons sends you back to the tower immediately.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Absolutely. Flying in front of the Hurri's cannons sends you back to the tower immediately.
Hey you mentioned you have kills in the IID in another thread. Was it GVs? Where they full kills or did a panzer finish them off? I cant kill anything with that thing. What do you aim for?
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Originally posted by dedalos
Hey you mentioned you have kills in the IID in another thread. Was it GVs? Where they full kills or did a panzer finish them off? I cant kill anything with that thing. What do you aim for?
Only 2 kills of airplanes, the remaining 122 being GVs. Most of them Panzer, M4's and T34. I also was able to get 10 Tigers.
The overwhelming majority (>90%) were clean kills.
I posted a small guide on tankbusting a few days ago in the Help & Training Forum (Including a few short clips): http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=209030
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well said ghastly. i still wish ENY woyld be completely done away with.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Yeah, it don't work that way does it? I'm not showing up anywhere you ask me to. You show up where I ask you. Does that compute? If you are busy, we meet another day but it wont be in the TA. Take sometime off your 5" guns next time you are in the MA (unless thats a comitment too, lol). Its not about me being a hot shot. Its about the planes, Understand? lol
Now, you know where. Just say when or go away and post something about how good you are in some some plane.
See if this computes: Sod off.
You offered a challenge, I previously specified the terms and then repeated the terms 3 times, you didn't show. Simple...
I'll wager that you don't show again tonight too. Nonetheless, I'll be in the TA doing my job, but not expecting much from you because you seem to lack the requisite hair on your backside.
Too bad you didn't show up last night. Bearkats showed up for some duels, and DadRabit joined us too. Everyone had fun. No egos, no smack talking, just a good time.
My regards,
Widewing
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S!
was a blast. glad i dont see u guys too often in the ma :D
only thing i could turn with ya'll was the 163 :aok
just goes to show you that even though folks disagree on issues in the game. once u fly with em and hear the voice on the other end, perceptions change and the fun begins.
S! gents
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Originally posted by DadRabit
S!
was a blast. glad i dont see u guys too often in the ma :D
only thing i could turn with ya'll was the 163 :aok
just goes to show you that even though folks disagree on issues in the game. once u fly with em and hear the voice on the other end, perceptions change and the fun begins.
S! gents
It was a hoot. Thanks to all, DadRabit, Optiker, Fuzeman, CPR, coolie, BearKats, CpMorgan, Kiapolo and WMDnow. Everyone had a ball. guys.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Lusche
Absolutely. Flying in front of the Hurri's cannons sends you back to the tower immediately.
unless im in that hurri then you might have a chance cuz my gunnery sux *****,
but im drinking milk and someday ill be all grown up....:p
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i like the idea of locking planes in for missions.
as said earlier, i think people leave the game when there is about to be a reset, which also is a very low proportion of the time.
eny so far seems like the solution for HTC. I never thought it really fulfills it's purpose. just tonight, i think it was blue arena, i log on, 100 rooks, 115 bish, and 50 nits..... those numbers are not even close. now it is nice that someone should have to win the war and restart, but why not make a game of it and have countries able to win on strategery and skill....
the way i see it, if you don't like eny, and you want a fair game, i'm not sure what options are left but to start to limit country sizes...or as tried in the past limit areas of attack.
people seem to hate most ideas about side balancing, and what strikes me most is the me, me, me, mine, I, my way or highway side of viewpoint. seems to me at times people care more about themselves than the rest of the community, which ironically they depend on to play the game. sometimes i think it would be nice for people to take a step back, and consider the issue from a community standpoint, instead of what is best for me at any given time. I know it your 15$, but someone else is spending $15 too....and yes i realize some people don't care all, as long as it doesn't affect them.
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I pay $15 a month to fly but the ENY really stinks. I mean when in any war did the Commanders say " Sorry we can't up that plane, the enemy doesn't have enough pilots." This ENY stuff is not fair to anyone. Who thought of this ENY anyway. I was playing today in MWOrange and the ENY was going up and down faster than Enron stock at the close. I mean one flight it would be at 2.8 then the next 28.2 where is the fairness in that. I'm not talking about a couple of hours I'm talking seconds. Since when is War Fair. If war was fair it's would never be over. Get rid of the ENY crap...PLEASE.:cry
And this isn't just me this is almost everyone I have heard or chatted with on AH. I have yet to hear someone say it was fair to have the ENY.
Why not start a poll and go with what ppl say is fair.
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Originally posted by Renotrigger
I pay $15 a month to fly but the ENY really stinks. I mean when in any war did the Commanders say " Sorry we can't up that plane, the enemy doesn't have enough pilots." (...)Since when is War Fair. If war was fair it's would never be over.
I got news for you. This isn't war. It's a game.
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I understand it's a game but I thought it was a war simulation, you know attack the enemy take bases. "SIMULATION" I mean they got everything almost perfect with the planes and damage and GVs and all but the ENY is frustating. most people don't leave at the end of the map but when the ENY get to outrages. You have one team able to fly anything and 2 other teams. only able to fly limit selections. what is fair in that. That is why I said start a poll and see what everyone thinks. Than decide if there should be ENY restrictions.
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Originally posted by Renotrigger
I understand it's a game but I thought it was a war simulation, you know attack the enemy take bases. "SIMULATION" I mean they got everything almost perfect with the planes and damage and GVs and all but the ENY is frustating. most people don't leave at the end of the map but when the ENY get to outrages. You have one team able to fly anything and 2 other teams. only able to fly limit selections. what is fair in that. That is why I said start a poll and see what everyone thinks. Than decide if there should be ENY restrictions.
Pretend that even though you have a huge army and air force, your supplies just ran out and you have to use old planes.
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Good answer Oldman731, ty for putting it in perspective.
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Eny is for the whiners who don't want to organize and resist the enemy. Remember, the best defense is a good offense.
Military simulation requires some application of military principles.
If all one wanted was a first person WWII air combat shooter game then one could go to the dueling arena.
When I find my side out numbered and getting conquered I look upon it as a target rich environment. Knowing I cannot turn the tide I will instead try to fly smart and make someones day.
If you enjoy being "squad free" and having no allegiance to a chess piece then please enjoy your choice. However, don't whine we some of us take it to the next level and organize our efforts.
If it offends you and you do not enjoy it, then go back to your WII, X-Box, or other game console and leave us simulators alone.
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Originally posted by Renotrigger
I understand it's a game but I thought it was a war simulation, you know attack the enemy take bases
It is a game first and foremost. As a game, it has to try to keep it playable for all the subscribers, not just the side with massive numbers.
You may not like it, but there it is.
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It is a game first and foremost. As a game, it has to try to keep it playable for all the subscribers, not just the side with massive numbers.
I couldn't agree more - the problem is that ENY as currently implemented ( or so it appears to me) performs only a token amount of leveling, and in fact worsens the situation a lot of the time, because it's a "shotgun" approach when what's needed is a scalpel. With all the issues surrounding it, I can't help but feel that in many instances it's the bathwater that drowns the baby.
What I would do if it were my game and the goal were to force a more level playing field across the map is apply ENY calculations to a circle around each field - or at least use the "sector tallies" that are already calculated. I've diagrammed it so it's more easily communicated. The larger squares around each field show the 9 squares used to calculate the ENY for the field that's enclosed in the same same color box, except that the yellow square around A15 designates the larger area examined to determine whether to ever calculate ENY for that field. Imagine the scenario described below:
Total Players in the Arena -Rooks 104, Bishops 70, Knights 85.
Total players in NE corner ... Rooks 14 - Bishops 29
(http://webpages.charter.net/gh4stly/fixeny.jpg)
If we were to apply the current "overall ENY" calculation, it wouldn't have any effect, or only marginal - and what's more, against the guys who are already outnumbered in the area of the map shown. But if we were to apply a "9 square ENY calculation", we'd see each base shown as being affected so:
A9 14 Rook-29 Bishop (Red Square) Harsh ENY on Bishops
A10 6R-9B (Blue Square) Less Harsh ENY on Bishops
C13 1R-7B (Purple) No ENY, (numbers below thresholds)
A10 0R-0B (White) No ENY
15- N/A No enemy base w/in this sector or 2 on either side, No ENY calc at all.
What does this do? First of all, when a few more Rooks sign into the game, the few defenders up here aren't further hampered by suddenly being smacked with ENY when the majority of new guys signing in go join the horde overrunning the Knights elsewhere on the map. Instead of bailing on the defense and going to join the horde too, it breathes new life into this corner of the map - the new guys joining the game can come up here and fight with an ENY advantage, or go horde up elsewhere and suffer an ENY penalty.
Secondly, it spreads the fight out. Players are going to be taking off from A9 (because it's close), A10 (because they can get a little better plane), A11 (get any plane) , and C13 (get any CV based plane no problem) . This means that theres no longer a horde, since it's been broken up by the game mechanics, and the defenders get a chance to fight against locally diminished odds.
Thirdly, it means that somewhere on the map a squadron can always get their ride, they just have to "pay" with implementing some fuel management and longer flight time. There is also some incentive in general to fly further distances at reduced throttles, which adds an element to the game that's currently largely missing.
Just my thoughts, anyway.
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Originally posted by Widewing
See if this computes: Sod off.
You offered a challenge, I previously specified the terms and then repeated the terms 3 times, you didn't show. Simple...
I'll wager that you don't show again tonight too. Nonetheless, I'll be in the TA doing my job, but not expecting much from you because you seem to lack the requisite hair on your backside.
Too bad you didn't show up last night. Bearkats showed up for some duels, and DadRabit joined us too. Everyone had fun. No egos, no smack talking, just a good time.
My regards,
Widewing
You will wager that I want show after I told you repeatedly I wouldn't???? :rofl Sounds like the way you guys fly. High and safe :rofl
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Originally posted by DadRabit
just goes to show you that even though folks disagree on issues in the game. once u fly with em and hear the voice on the other end, perceptions change and the fun begins.
S! gents
Ahhh, but this is how the perseptions were created. Theonly 2 times I've seen him in the MA it was me in a p40 working with 3 or 4 zeros only to be killed picked by him in his 5" gun. Funny dont you think? 5 years in the game, I see him twice picking fighters with a 5" gun. I've met some of the others too either BnZing all day long or vulching the DA.
The have no busines telling anyone what or when to fly it.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Ahhh, but this is how the perseptions were created. Theonly 2 times I've seen him in the MA it was me in a p40 working with 3 or 4 zeros only to be killed picked by him in his 5" gun. Funny dont you think? 5 years in the game, I see him twice picking fighters with a 5" gun. I've met some of the others too either BnZing all day long or vulching the DA.
The have no busines telling anyone what or when to fly it.
So, you got whacked twice by a 5" gun and that's the basis of your analysis?
Too bad we both fly so little in the MAs.
Ask around, you'll find that I can more than hold my own in a fighter..... Ask DadRabit. Ask Skyrock. Ask Platano. Ask Murdr. Ask TC. Ask BearKats. Ask 2bighorn. Ask Batfink. Ask anyone who has flown against me. Or....
Stop by the TA on Thursday night for our weekly 3v1 event. You will get two wingman and all three of you get to try to kill me. You get to pick ANY prop fighter. I usually fly the 109G-2, P-40E and yes, the SBD on occasion. Rules are simple: players must engage, no loitering above to cherry pick. Since you don't suffer damage, the fight depends on the honor system. If you take a hit to the cockpit glass, you are considered dead and must turn on smoke and exit the fight beyond icon range. Then you can return to the brawl. This prevents a perpetual 3v1 and rewards pilots for good flying and good shooting. So far as I can determine, no one has cheated or fudged on that rule. Merges are usually between 5k and 10k, with the fights always ending up in the weeds. Players may reup if they auger, as long as the fight hasn't ended due to gas, ammo or all three crashing out.
We then rotate. Everyone gets to fly against 3 or more, several times. There are usually 3 or more groups. Murdr, Mace, TC and Hammer have participated too. Rolex is sometimes available, as is Ghosth. Very few noobs participate, with most pilots being MA regulars.
This exercise is to build SA and wingman skills. It works. This was the type of event that DadRabit enjoyed so much. Heck, almost everyone who has participated once, comes back for the next one.
So, rather than exchange personal insults or bicker back and forth, drop in and join the crowd. There's no smack talk, no expectations, no egos. It's all about having a good time while improving one's skills. Give it a go dedalos, you'll enjoy it and find it very challenging.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by dedalos
:rofl Sounds like the way you guys fly. High and safe :rofl
Which guys? The Trainers? I don't know of one Trainer who flies like that in the MA. They can usually be found down in the weeds.
My regards,
Widewing
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Rolex steals my kills.:(
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Originally posted by dedalos
Agreed, for the 98% we use what we have (ENY). When ENY started people and HT said give it time. Well, it had time. It is either not working or it has reached its potential. In either case, the people that keep complaining about it are not changing countries.
Dedalos, I know this isn't the only you wrote in response and not just picking at yous, but this statement I have heard numorous times about changing side and just using your to address a response.
Have been on more than a few times when the country that we are flying for had nmy above 20 and a few times above 30. Have switched countries to the lowest side to help balance it out some and within 45 mins to an hour the nmy went from 0 to over 20 again. A couple of nights 4 or 5 of us switched 3 times within a 3 hour period to have the nmy go to what we left just because others either logged or went to another arena. Changing sides works only for as long as the people that are currently on stay on.
Sure there are plenty of good rides available when nmy goes up, but does it really do what it was intended to do? From the beginning it was stated to help those that had less to be able to somewhat have a "leg" up on the others that had more. Balancing, no.... but to give the country that was undermanned a equalizer. Is that working? I don't know, but 15 la's and spits against 4 la's and spits or 15 zekes against 4 la's and spits, it's your call if those types are better for the 4 or worse.
Either way will keep flying and having fun.
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Originally posted by Ghastly
I couldn't agree more - the problem is that ENY as currently implemented ( or so it appears to me) performs only a token amount of leveling, and in fact worsens the situation a lot of the time, because it's a "shotgun" approach when what's needed is a scalpel. With all the issues surrounding it, I can't help but feel that in many instances it's the bathwater that drowns the baby.
What I would do if it were my game and the goal were to force a more level playing field across the map is apply ENY calculations to a circle around each field - or at least use the "sector tallies" that are already calculated. I've diagrammed it so it's more easily communicated. The larger squares around each field show the 9 squares used to calculate the ENY for the field that's enclosed in the same same color box, except that the yellow square around A15 designates the larger area examined to determine whether to ever calculate ENY for that field. Imagine the scenario described below:
Total Players in the Arena -Rooks 104, Bishops 70, Knights 85.
Total players in NE corner ... Rooks 14 - Bishops 29
(http://webpages.charter.net/gh4stly/fixeny.jpg)
If we were to apply the current "overall ENY" calculation, it wouldn't have any effect, or only marginal - and what's more, against the guys who are already outnumbered in the area of the map shown. But if we were to apply a "9 square ENY calculation", we'd see each base shown as being affected so:
A9 14 Rook-29 Bishop (Red Square) Harsh ENY on Bishops
A10 6R-9B (Blue Square) Less Harsh ENY on Bishops
C13 1R-7B (Purple) No ENY, (numbers below thresholds)
A10 0R-0B (White) No ENY
15- N/A No enemy base w/in this sector or 2 on either side, No ENY calc at all.
What does this do? First of all, when a few more Rooks sign into the game, the few defenders up here aren't further hampered by suddenly being smacked with ENY when the majority of new guys signing in go join the horde overrunning the Knights elsewhere on the map. Instead of bailing on the defense and going to join the horde too, it breathes new life into this corner of the map - the new guys joining the game can come up here and fight with an ENY advantage, or go horde up elsewhere and suffer an ENY penalty.
Secondly, it spreads the fight out. Players are going to be taking off from A9 (because it's close), A10 (because they can get a little better plane), A11 (get any plane) , and C13 (get any CV based plane no problem) . This means that theres no longer a horde, since it's been broken up by the game mechanics, and the defenders get a chance to fight against locally diminished odds.
Thirdly, it means that somewhere on the map a squadron can always get their ride, they just have to "pay" with implementing some fuel management and longer flight time. There is also some incentive in general to fly further distances at reduced throttles, which adds an element to the game that's currently largely missing.
Just my thoughts, anyway.
Never mind - I just realized why this (and probably any other locally applied ENY I can think of) wouldn't work well, either.
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Originally posted by AKKaz
Dedalos, I know this isn't the only you wrote in response and not just picking at yous, but this statement I have heard numorous times about changing side and just using your to address a response.
Have been on more than a few times when the country that we are flying for had nmy above 20 and a few times above 30. Have switched countries to the lowest side to help balance it out some and within 45 mins to an hour the nmy went from 0 to over 20 again. A couple of nights 4 or 5 of us switched 3 times within a 3 hour period to have the nmy go to what we left just because others either logged or went to another arena. Changing sides works only for as long as the people that are currently on stay on.
Sure there are plenty of good rides available when nmy goes up, but does it really do what it was intended to do? From the beginning it was stated to help those that had less to be able to somewhat have a "leg" up on the others that had more. Balancing, no.... but to give the country that was undermanned a equalizer. Is that working? I don't know, but 15 la's and spits against 4 la's and spits or 15 zekes against 4 la's and spits, it's your call if those types are better for the 4 or worse.
Either way will keep flying and having fun.
Not sure if we agree or disagree on this one, lol.
ENY crossed 20 last night and I switched. My point about people not switching was that (especially on the weekends) when people have squad nights and they have been working to win the war, they are not going to switch when the losers leave and ENY goes up. They worked on it for 2 maybe 3 hours and now we expect them to switch? I don't fight the war so I dont care about changing sides. When the F4Us were not available last night I changed to Bish. But last night was a perfect example of what happens. The reset was just delaied by ENY leading to hordingg the last fields and no good fights. There was no balance.
I bet balance returned after the reset though
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Originally posted by Widewing
So, you got whacked twice by a 5" gun and that's the basis of your analysis?
Too bad we both fly so little in the MAs.
A better way to say that is that got wacked by a dweeb picking off fighters from a 5" gun. I'm in the MA almost every day. If you get in a plane below 5K you may find me.
Ask around, you'll find that I can more than hold my own in a fighter..... Ask DadRabit. Ask Skyrock. Ask Platano. Ask Murdr. Ask TC. Ask BearKats. Ask 2bighorn. Ask Batfink. Ask anyone who has flown against me. Or....
Why? Who cares? This is not about how good you are. Its about making BS statements about planes.
Stop by the TA on Thursday night for our weekly 3v1 event. You will get two wingman and all three of you get to try to kill me. You get to pick ANY prop fighter. I usually fly the 109G-2, P-40E and yes, the SBD on occasion. Rules are simple: players must engage, no loitering above to cherry pick. Since you don't suffer damage, the fight depends on the honor system. If you take a hit to the cockpit glass, you are considered dead and must turn on smoke and exit the fight beyond icon range. Then you can return to the brawl. This prevents a perpetual 3v1 and rewards pilots for good flying and good shooting. So far as I can determine, no one has cheated or fudged on that rule. Merges are usually between 5k and 10k, with the fights always ending up in the weeds. Players may reup if they auger, as long as the fight hasn't ended due to gas, ammo or all three crashing out.
We then rotate. Everyone gets to fly against 3 or more, several times. There are usually 3 or more groups. Murdr, Mace, TC and Hammer have participated too. Rolex is sometimes available, as is Ghosth. Very few noobs participate, with most pilots being MA regulars.
This exercise is to build SA and wingman skills. It works. This was the type of event that DadRabit enjoyed so much. Heck, almost everyone who has participated once, comes back for the next one.
So, rather than exchange personal insults or bicker back and forth, drop in and join the crowd. There's no smack talk, no expectations, no egos. It's all about having a good time while improving one's skills. Give it a go dedalos, you'll enjoy it and find it very challenging.
My regards,
Widewing
Bla bla bla bla. As you said, I issued the chalenge. It is for the DA. What are you afraid of? The only think I can think of that you cant go pew pew pew I got a hit with a 303 and I killed you. What else do you have to wory about? Either accept the chalenge or let it go.
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Originally posted by dedalos
A better way to say that is that got wacked by a dweeb picking off fighters from a 5" gun. I'm in the MA almost every day. If you get in a plane below 5K you may find me.
Why? Who cares? This is not about how good you are. Its about making BS statements about planes.
Bla bla bla bla. As you said, I issued the chalenge. It is for the DA. What are you afraid of? The only think I can think of that you cant go pew pew pew I got a hit with a 303 and I killed you. What else do you have to wory about? Either accept the chalenge or let it go.
What "BS statements" did I make about planes? The answer o' Einstein, is none.
I stated: "Most carrier fighters are disabled? Grab an SBD and have a ball. It'll gobble up almost any fighter if the pilot is silly enough to try turning with it. Ditto for the TBM. Plus, the TBM can haul 2k in bombs, and six rockets. Forget the rear guns, fly it like a fighter and enjoy the chance to humble the dweebs."
Every word is true. The SBD can turn a smaller circle than a Hurricane IIC. SBDs are fun furballers, quite able to kill fighters in turn fights.
You somehow twisted that into something else. Then again, you seem to do this quite often.
You want a straight-up duel, and state that you have no intention of turning with the SBD. Which means, you obviously agree that the SBD will own the La-7 in a turn fight.
Your words, verbatim: "The assumption that anyone would try to turn with an SBD is silly at best." So, then you agree that the SBD will gobble up most fighters that attempt to turn fight it. Words mean things, just in case you didn't know that. Clearly, you would not try to turn fight an SBD. Which means, you agree with my statement.
So, o' Master of the English language, show me one statement that is not correct. Please.
Your entire diatribe is based upon your inability to comprehend ideas in simple text.
So, how's the view from the bottom of that hole?
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
What "BS statements" did I make about planes? The answer o' Einstein, is none.
I stated: "Most carrier fighters are disabled? Grab an SBD and have a ball. It'll gobble up almost any fighter if the pilot is silly enough to try turning with it. Ditto for the TBM. Plus, the TBM can haul 2k in bombs, and six rockets. Forget the rear guns, fly it like a fighter and enjoy the chance to humble the dweebs."
Every word is true. The SBD can turn a smaller circle than a Hurricane IIC. SBDs are fun furballers, quite able to kill fighters in turn fights.
You somehow twisted that into something else. Then again, you seem to do this quite often.
You want a straight-up duel, and state that you have no intention of turning with the SBD. Which means, you obviously agree that the SBD will own the La-7 in a turn fight.
Your words, verbatim: "The assumption that anyone would try to turn with an SBD is silly at best." So, then you agree that the SBD will gobble up most fighters that attempt to turn fight it. Words mean things, just in case you didn't know that. Clearly, you would not try to turn fight an SBD. Which means, you agree with my statement.
So, o' Master of the English language, show me one statement that is not correct. Please.
Your entire diatribe is based upon your inability to comprehend ideas in simple text.
So, how's the view from the bottom of that hole?
My regards,
Widewing
First of all, English is not my language. I wana see you try to explain your ideas in mine. Second, you just repeated your BS again. I don't know how to make this clear to you. When people are trying to win the war and take the final bases, they are not looking to take up an SBD or TBM and furbal. The deffenders in the LA7s (or what ever plane they are in) are not looking to furbal with TBMs or SBDs. You understand that? This is why your statements are BS. My 5 year old will own anyone that tries to turn with an SBD. What idiot would try to? So you can gable up some idiot and therefore everyone should STFU and fly SBDs and TBMs because you said so? lol. At the mean time, I have to fly around the MA looking for a fight because everyone is busy on the last couple of fields.
Just be honest here. This was another look at me I am good post from you. Now stop yapping your mouth and show up in the DA. Im not good, but is exactly the point. No mater how good you are, SBD vs LA7 you will lose.
You have no busines teling anyone what to fly or when. They have the right to ask for changes. Not up to you to decide. When they start talking about 5" guns and cherry picking, please do give us your input.
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Originally posted by dedalos
First of all, English is not my language. I wana see you try to explain your ideas in mine. Second, you just repeated your BS again. I don't know how to make this clear to you. When people are trying to win the war and take the final bases, they are not looking to take up an SBD or TBM and furbal. The deffenders in the LA7s (or what ever plane they are in) are not looking to furbal with TBMs or SBDs. You understand that? This is why your statements are BS. My 5 year old will own anyone that tries to turn with an SBD. What idiot would try to? So you can gable up some idiot and therefore everyone should STFU and fly SBDs and TBMs because you said so? lol. At the mean time, I have to fly around the MA looking for a fight because everyone is busy on the last couple of fields.
Just be honest here. This was another look at me I am good post from you. Now stop yapping your mouth and show up in the DA. Im not good, but is exactly the point. No mater how good you are, SBD vs LA7 you will lose.
You have no busines teling anyone what to fly or when. They have the right to ask for changes. Not up to you to decide. When they start talking about 5" guns and cherry picking, please do give us your input.
So, you are changing your story? Now you're insisting that the SBD will gobble up an La-7 if the Lala driver attempts to turn fight with it. So, your whole premise is gone...
Now you are whining that I have some mystery power that compels people to fly what I "tell" them too.
You can capture a base with TBMs and SBDs... The TBM carries the same load as an F6F-5. Several of them can knock down hangers, and cap a field quite efficiently. Heck, I've been involved in captures where the only plane in use was the Ju 87.
Moreover, I never TOLD anyone what to fly. I suggested they grab an SBD or a TBM. Valid suggestion as the TBM or SBD is far more effective at base capture than the A6M2, because several of them can kill the FHs and VH and cap a small field.
I don't know about you, but I have no trouble getting 3-5 kills in either a TBM or an SBD. Last night, I'm flying an SBD at 2k over one of our fields. A guy in an F4U-4 shows up flying at at least 10k. He proceeds to attack me. I turn into his attack and he goes for the HO, which I avoid. I reverse into him time and time again, and dodge the HOs while working at equalizing E states as much as possible. Eventually, I get the opportunity I'm waiting for and there's one dead F4U-4.
Later, while flying a TBM, I killed an La-7 that misjudged how easy it is to gain angles with the Avenger. Later hunting fighters with it, I spot a 234 on the deck and split-s'd perfectly onto his six at 200 yards... Bye bye 234. Added three Lancasters later. Trying to sneak by on the deck, I clobbered the leader and the two drones then augered as I peppered them. Any of the "clunkers" can be fun to fly, and if you fly them to their strengths, they can be lethal. Typical of the weak-kneed planes like the SBD, you have to be very aggressive and force mistakes. My simple rule is to keep my nose pointed in the general direction of the enemy, manage my E and wait for the other guy to either move along, or make a mistake.
Now, as to the DA... Your obnoxious attitude, demanding that I do exactly as you say means that I will simply ignore you. I won't give you that satisfaction. You can always come to the TA Tuesday thru Thursday night and I'll duel your Lala with an SBD.
And your comment; "No mater how good you are, SBD vs LA7 you will lose." Don't count on that rosebud, don't count on that....
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by DadRabit
whats fair about me not having a choice of planes? the other country with less numbers gets to choose any plane he wants to fly. get rid of this fair play. we dont need it (eny). i pay my $15 just like everyone else. i want to be able to choose what plane i think is the best for a certain task. please remove these restrictions on fun.
my 2 cents
i agree.......but if we do that, we need to hide dadrabits 109 from him!!!!! or at least take away his easy button@!!!!!!!!!:O :O :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Ghastly
But it sucks when you end up cutting your night short because all of the carrier planes are suddenly ENY'ed out, simply because you are getting close to a reset and your opponents log off.
1)ok......here's eny again....here's what almost always happens in EW.....sides are close to even....but total numbers are low in there so eny constantly changing. need 4 bases to win the map. so our squad pulls together and we start storming bases..along with help from other knights....and YES knights DO know how to work well together:-D
so now, we've captured 3 bases...it's taken awhile as the enemy's putting up a good fun fight. but wait!!!!!! suddenly, they're defending in p38's, 109's, hurri2's...well.....any friggin aircraft they want. all we can get is bombers, spit1's hurri1's(i know some of you can kill in them)and gv's. so now that it's gotten kinda late, some of the guys helpin us had to log along with a lot of the badguys.......so now there's only 3 of us able to continue the battle to take this last base, against 5 or 6 defenders. we get crap, they get anything they want........suddenly, they go on offensive...now there's 3 of us defending in crap, against them in any plane they want,,,,we're outnumbered by guys with better equipment now, trying to defend. so if ENY is supposed to make things fair, i must be missing something here:O
There has to be a better way to accomplish whatever it is that ENY is supposed to be accomplishing.
2)yes......keep the eny thing.....but with the technology around today, i know they could have the eny react to ONLY those in flight. this way, they guys that go to bed but stay logged on for the perks when the map's won won't kill us. when the other countries have a lot log out it won't kill us.
(And no, when I signed in numbers were nearly even - and while quitting for the night before I otherwise would leaves a bitter taste in my mouth - it's better than the thought of changing to the other side and fighting against the guys I've been fighting beside for the last 3 hours.)
:O
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Originally posted by Sketch
I couldn't up one on Saturday night for about 20-30 minutes with eny sitting between 25-28. Thank God for the A8 or I would have been lost! :confused: Didn't matter, after a bit all was good and the bish got the reset... was fun overall.
Oh, the imballance was about 110 bish, 50 or so nits and 50 or so rooks. Roughly.... :aok
oin EW one night..i can't remember the number, but the only thing i could up with foward firing guns was a ju88:O :cry ..so i did...and just went and bombed where ever i saw the badguys....think i was pissin em off nicely too:aok
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Originally posted by DadRabit
if that was a response to my statement fugitive.....
wether it be an la7 for quick defence, a pony for hi alt fighting or a spit. whatever. let me decide. not some fair play fomula.
dadrabit, wait!!!! you can forget the pony!!!! see my thread....cherry pickers.......according to a few, there aren't any hi alt fights!!! you're only wasting your time up there!!!!:D :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Easiest fix is to disable the ENY rule
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SHORTEST ANSWER, and the most sensible one too!!:aok :aok
who else agrees?:noid
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Originally posted by CAP1
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SHORTEST ANSWER, and the most sensible one too!!:aok :aok
who else agrees?:noid
Not me. I don't want to see it go, I just would like for it to work better than it does at what (I believe) it was intended to accomplish, with less side effects such as the one that caused me to start this thread.
However, after sitting down to design a locally applied ENY system, I realized that applying it locally simply won't work right unless a LOT of work goes into coding it - as soon as you shut off the other sides supply of vehicles through destroying the hangers or even through capping the field, you begin to shut off your OWN SUPPLY too as you drive the local ENY through the roof.
So for now, I'll reluctantly agree that until someone comes up with a nifty outside the box solution, the current system may be the best available.
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Originally posted by Widewing
Which guys? The Trainers? I don't know of one Trainer who flies like that in the MA. They can usually be found down in the weeds.
My regards,
Widewing
well, i hafta say......virtually ANY time i've EVER seen any trainers in the MA's, they've been in the middle of some of the biggest furballs on the map.
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Originally posted by Widewing
So, you are changing your story? Now you're insisting that the SBD will gobble up an La-7 if the Lala driver attempts to turn fight with it. So, your whole premise is gone...
you are killing me lol. Yes, so will a stuka. That does not mean anyone will chose to turn with the SBD. There is no reason. Unlike you, I kept in mind the context of the conversation. You are talking about taking and defending a base. You really think a deffender in a lala wil try to turn? He cant!!!! He will be picked by the rest of the horde. Thats why he is o a lala to begin with. You told people to use those planes instead of complaining about ENY. They cannot be used to take a base deffended by LA7s no mater what you say
Now you are whining that I have some mystery power that compels people to fly what I "tell" them too.
lol, not agreeing with you so it must be a whine lol. No sir, you don't have any power what so ever over anyone in here. Thats why you should stop telling them what to fly. In a way though, you are right. You did not post to tell them what to do or help the argument. You posted to tell everyone how good you are in those planes lol.
You can capture a base with TBMs and SBDs... The TBM carries the same load as an F6F-5. Several of them can knock down hangers, and cap a field quite efficiently. Heck, I've been involved in captures where the only plane in use was the Ju 87.
Yes, it can be done. Can you do it when only 4 bases are left and everyone is deffending them? Nop. Anyone can capture an undefended pase in anything.
Moreover, I never TOLD anyone what to fly. I suggested they grab an SBD or a TBM. Valid suggestion as the TBM or SBD is far more effective at base capture than the A6M2, because several of them can kill the FHs and VH and cap a small field.
Not if there are defenders. Heave SBD or TBM will never see the field.
I don't know about you, but I have no trouble getting 3-5 kills in either a TBM or an SBD. Last night, I'm flying an SBD at 2k over one of our fields. A guy in an F4U-4 shows up flying at at least 10k. He proceeds to attack me. I turn into his attack and he goes for the HO, which I avoid. I reverse into him time and time again, and dodge the HOs while working at equalizing E states as much as possible. Eventually, I get the opportunity I'm waiting for and there's one dead F4U-4.
Later, while flying a TBM, I killed an La-7 that misjudged how easy it is to gain angles with the Avenger. Later hunting fighters with it, I spot a 234 on the deck and split-s'd perfectly onto his six at 200 yards... Bye bye 234. Added three Lancasters later. Trying to sneak by on the deck, I clobbered the leader and the two drones then augered as I peppered them. Any of the "clunkers" can be fun to fly, and if you fly them to their strengths, they can be lethal. Typical of the weak-kneed planes like the SBD, you have to be very aggressive and force mistakes. My simple rule is to keep my nose pointed in the general direction of the enemy, manage my E and wait for the other guy to either move along, or make a mistake.
More of a look at me I am good crap. No one cares. maybe you can do it maybe you cant. That does not mean that everyone else can or should have to do it that way. Why don't you start a thread about "Hey, what do you guys think about the SBD? I am really good in it but I wonder what the rest of the comunity has to say about them. BTW, did I mention how good I am?" lol
Now, as to the DA... Your obnoxious attitude, demanding that I do exactly as you say means that I will simply ignore you. I won't give you that satisfaction. You can always come to the TA Tuesday thru Thursday night and I'll duel your Lala with an SBD.
Well, why not? Why do I have to do as you say? I chalened you. You either accept or STFU. I was there last night by theway. TA is BS for fights like that. You don't know when get killed and from what I can gather, you will spray from 1K out and see one hit sprite and call it a kill, lol. DA will leave no questions. That may be why you don't want to do it there ehhh? And don't tell me you are busy. If you have time for the MA you have time for a 5 min duel.
And your comment; "No mater how good you are, SBD vs LA7 you will lose." Don't count on that rosebud, don't count on that....
lol. You really think you are that good ehh? If you ahd any brains you'd know better than to make that statement. Maybe you are used to killing newbs in the TA. I'm not talking about them. Think about what you said up there. Now, that is obnoxious lol
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Originally posted by dedalos
Well, why not? Why do I have to do as you say? I chalened you. You either accept or STFU. I was there last night by theway. TA is BS for fights like that. You don't know when get killed and from what I can gather, you will spray from 1K out and see one hit sprite and call it a kill, lol. DA will leave no questions. That may be why you don't want to do it there ehhh? And don't tell me you are busy. If you have time for the MA you have time for a 5 min duel.
What I don't have time for is an arrogant butthead...
I think it comes down to one simple thing... You're just afraid.
Have a nice evening.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
What I don't have time for is an arrogant butthead...
I think it comes down to one simple thing... You're just afraid.
Have a nice evening.
My regards,
Widewing
:rofl The only thing I am afraid of is you not being honest about the fight. Thats why I said DA. But hey, you refuse to go there so I am the one running scared :rofl I bet you if I cam in the TA you will tell me you are busy with your obligations and make me wait for an hour or until I leave. Then you ll come in here and tell everyone I run away lol. You want a 'fair' fight, DA is the place. You want to have a way out of your pwnage, TA is the place, lol
In any case, I did pop in to the TA. Within seconds I heared a guy telling Batfink "There, you just died. You crossed my sights" I almost died laughing.
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Originally posted by Scca
I am far from uber in the game, but I fly the FM2 and spit IX a lot, so eny doesn't often effect me.
Try to fly something with high eny and get good at it.
Scca!
You have burned me more than once in each of those rides. Learn to fly less "uber" rides. Not having a "plan b" is asinine.
-Von
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Originally posted by VonMessa
Scca!
You have burned me more than once in each of those rides. Learn to fly less "uber" rides. Not having a "plan b" is asinine.
-Von
Its not about learning or wanting to fly other rides. Its about puting an end to the madnes of the last few bases and reseting the map so we can all play again.
Spit IX is an uber ride btw :lol
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Originally posted by 2Slow
If you enjoy being "squad free" and having no allegiance to a chess piece then please enjoy your choice. However, don't whine we some of us take it to the next level and organize our efforts.
On the same not, then don't whine when those of us that enjoy furballing don't partake in the silly little "war".
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Originally posted by dedalos
You will wager that I want show after I told you repeatedly I wouldn't???? :rofl Sounds like the way you guys fly. High and safe :rofl
Sounds more like you trying to pick a fight where there is none and trying to make a point when there is none to make.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Sounds more like you trying to pick a fight where there is none and trying to make a point when there is none to make.
ack-ack
Hey now, just because I said high and safe it does not mean I was talking about you :p
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Originally posted by dedalos
I have no point to make so I'm going to start slinging mud
Widewing is correct, you're just a tool.
-nuff said.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Widewing is correct, you're just a tool.
-nuff said.
ack-ack
lol. It was a joke (note the :p ) don't hurt my feelings by calling me names please? Widewing is right about one thing only. Not showing up in the DA. He kows he is wrong but he cant admit it. He will continue to hide behind words like most people in this game.
You desided that you know what I have or have not seen in the game. Why? Your experience with some of the trainers maybe different but I did not make anything up.
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Originally posted by dedalos
You desided that you know what I have or have not seen in the game. Why? Your experience with some of the trainers maybe different but I did not make anything up.
Where have I told you what you've seen or experienced in the game? Please show me the post where I said such a thing. All I did was point out that you are picking a fight with Widewing where none exists (except in your own mind) and you're trying to make a point when there is not point to make.
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Easiest fix is to disable the ENY rule
Yes. One time ENY was at 32...we were close to a reset...