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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Panzzer on July 04, 2007, 02:14:00 PM
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Will be the traditional FinRus with slight changes.
Finland and Germany: (knights)
109F4, 109G2, 109G6, 109G14, FW-190A5, 190F8, 110G2, Ju-88A-4, JU-87D-3 Stuka, Ju52 (sub C-47) and Panzer IV, Ostwind, M3.
Soviet Union: (bishops)
La-5FN, YAK-9T, P-40E Warhawk, A-20 Havoc, BOSTON III, IL-2 Sturmovik, Li-2/C-47, T-34, M-8, M-3 and M-16.
Historical radar, all ack .25, killshooter off, 20 troops to capture, FinRus terrain.
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Originally posted by Panzzer
killshooter off
I don't know why this keeps rearing it's ugly head. It's been tried and been a PITA more often than not. Now that it's squeeker season just imagine how much fun this is going to be.
I'll pass.
asw
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I like killshooter off. For when you ask that person to stay out of a 1v1 and he still comes in and pick the guy you were fighting. You can go after him and teach him to stay out when someone says so.
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Oops, I meant to have killshooter ON, forgot to change it on the first post (copy-paste...), thanks for pointing that out, asw.
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Originally posted by Panzzer
Will be the traditional FinRus with slight changes.
Heh. No more Hurri IIC or FM2.
I like it.
- oldman
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No FM2? grrr
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Originally posted by Panzzer
Oops, I meant to have killshooter ON, forgot to change it on the first post (copy-paste...), thanks for pointing that out, asw.
Cool - looks like a great setup :aok
Cheers,
asw
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Originally posted by FiLtH
No FM2? grrr
:rofl
The FM2 is a sweet bird! I just can't catch anyone in it.
:o
gusman44
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Heh. No more Hurri IIC or FM2.
I like it.
- oldman
didnt the reds have a p38g or 2?
plane selection should consider attendance as well as historical
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DARN IT i am not coming in now i cant sneek up on LARY and kill him while he dog fighting lol
i will pop in looks like fun
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Originally posted by Eagler
didnt the reds have a p38g or 2?
Don't think so. Ask Guppy or one of the other 38 afficionados. I'm pretty sure that only the Brits got the 38, and only a very few early models at that.
- oldman
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man, Aces High sure does need more Aircraft types....it seems that regardless of the setup for AvsA, one side is going to be very limited in plane choices
if it is Allied vs Japan, you are limited on the IJN/IJA side
if it is Allied vs germans you are limited on the Allied side
or os it the person setting up the scenarios are using favortism?
some AvsA staff lean towards more axis rides vs allied in their setups, as to where some AvsA staff lean towards more Allied rides vs Axis rides in their setups?
not saying either or, it just seems that way depending on the person who is doing that current weeks setup......
or as I mentioned when I began with this reply
man, Aces High sure does need more Aircraft types
I'll leave it with my 1st assumption
edit: btw fun fights last night oldman, you was really whipping that Ki84 around pretty well, ~SALUTE~
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
edit: btw fun fights last night oldman, you was really whipping that Ki84 around pretty well, ~SALUTE~
Yep, I thought I was fighting a Spit the other day. Thank god someone picked me off cause he was about to embarase me in the Ki :rofl
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I don't think any Soviet P38's saw action, but they had some SpitV's in the area of Leningrad (St. Petersburg). This both to Eagler and TC. So I agree that the planeset needs some more planes.
Over the Gulf of Finland in the Summer of 1944 (when this is supposed to happen) the Soviets should have P39's, La5's and Yaks with IL2's, bombers (Pe-2 would be a good one to have) against the Finnish Brewsters and 109's and German 190's, 109's - and bombers.
But the planeset seems to be a good balanced one, with everyone having fun the previous times, so I think I'll limit the 109G14's to some selected fields only.
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Originally posted by LTARkilz
DARN IT i have no idea how to spell LARY
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L-A-R-R-Y...:aok
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
or os it the person setting up the scenarios are using favortism?
some AvsA staff lean towards more axis rides vs allied in their setups, as to where some AvsA staff lean towards more Allied rides vs Axis rides in their setups?
Being a long time CT/AvA regular. I do remember when there was blatant bias in certain set ups. As long as I have been on the Staff I made it a point to never be that way. There has been none of that from any other current staffers either. We try to to set things up as fair as possible while keeping the fun factor high on the priority list. Being that five of us are in a squad thats not "Allied" or "Axis" helps keep things in perspective.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Yep, I thought I was fighting a Spit the other day. Thank god someone picked me off cause he was about to embarase me in the Ki :rofl
Heh, thank you both. The Frank is such a fine plane that even I can look competent in it. I appreciate the compliments from two people who own me in normal circumstances.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Slash27
Being a long time CT/AvA regular. I do remember when there was blatant bias in certain set ups. As long as I have been on the Staff I made it a point to never be that way. There has been none of that from any other current staffers either. We try to to set things up as fair as possible while keeping the fun factor high on the priority list. Being that five of us are in a squad thats not "Allied" or "Axis" helps keep things in perspective.
Slash, please look at my 1st sentence and my last quoted sentence.
it is the lack of plane choices you have to work with.......
no worries....:aok ( I used wrong pronounciations there...... should have not made em look like questions.... )
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Slash, please look at my 1st sentence and my last quoted sentence.
it is the lack of plane choices you have to work with.......
no worries....:aok ( I used wrong pronounciations there...... should have not made em look like questions.... )
I saw your first sentence, I got what you were saying and took no offense TC. My reply was really for those new to the arena or who might have some concerns that bias may play a factor in set ups. My intent was to provide some calrification.:aok
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Setup now done, and as always, please let me know if something's wrong. Have fun!
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Originally posted by E25280
:mad:
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Biggles has some adventures planned for us regulars, Saturday 3pm EDT, 21 CET. See his thread in the general discussion, link (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=209491).
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yuppers, bring your squaddies, your friends, everyone for an afternoon/evening of fun. we want to see the AvA with big numbers again, like when it was first renamed and we ran those huge BoB missions :)
3pm EST, 8pm UK, 9pm European onwards (i'm sure numbers will get bigger through the night because of US primetime players), for some fun lighthearted furballing and hopefully some fun action filled missions.
drag along everyone you can:aok
cya tomorrow night guys
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I hate to say it but it was one of the worse AvA days. I loged in in the morning and had some really good 6 vs 1 with the Fins lol. It got even better when 2 of the six were 190s going head on on every pass. Left and came back latter with the bigger numbers. Even worse. The only difference was more 190s cherry picking. When I asked them to atlist respect a 4 on 1 I was told that they did not design the plane, they just know how to use it. I guess I never new the Germans designed it as a cherry picker. Went back to the MA and had some good fights. What I really like is people wondering why the place is empty all the time lol. The place is great with 10 or less people. When invites like this go out, it atracts the worse of the MA type I guess.
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Originally posted by dedalos
I hate to say it but it was one of the worse AvA days. I loged in in the morning and had some really good 6 vs 1 with the Fins lol. It got even better when 2 of the six were 190s going head on on every pass. Left and came back latter with the bigger numbers. Even worse. The only difference was more 190s cherry picking.
This had evened out by the time I was able to log on Saturday (Euros had gone to bed?) (I hope so!). There will always be the division between people who want good fights, and people who just want to get kills. Probably it's more noticeable in AvA because the numbers are smaller.
The good news department: I don't see than anyone misses the Hurri IIC or FM2, and I think the quality of the balanced fights is much better.
- oldman (who does miss the Hurri I, though)
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The allies missed the hurricanes. The P-40E is outclassed by almost every axis plane. I know some folks can get some kills with it, but when it's 12 vs 1 and that 1 is a P40 it has no chance. Can't turn with any LW plane, can't out run any LW plane, can't out climb or out dive any of them. Basically SOL.
The LA5 has its own problems, and while it can turn well, it is not as easy to pull tight turns as the 109F-4 (most numerous 109 I saw in the short time I was on) and the g-2. It's very close in radius to the G-2 but the G-2 does it with much more ease.
The Yak9T cannot even dream of running from anything, cannot out turn anything, and cannot outclimb or outmanuver anything on the LW team.
I won't even start on the A-20G.
I'm pretty much the farthest thing from a TnB player there is, but I think the hurricanes would have been the only thing aside from the LA5 that would have been a real threat to any of the LW planes, and it was left out for some reason.
I've enjoyed the FM2 in the past as well but was flying allied with some squaddies.
Just a differing opinion in response to your comment "I don't see than anyone misses the Hurri IIC or FM2".
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Originally posted by Panzzer
But the planeset seems to be a good balanced one
Disable 109 F4, 109 G14, 190 F8 and you'll be a step closer to "balanced one".
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Disable 109 F4, 109 G14, 190 F8 and you'll be a step closer to "balanced one".
I don't know. I'd say desable the 190s. Atlist the guys in the 109s fought for the kill. The guys in the 190s would up froma field further out to get alt and then just dive in for a pick and extend for 5 minutes. Don't give the dweebs the dweeb tools and they may not show up.
Yeah, I know, they will find the next bst thing. I'm just hoping they wontt show up lol
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Originally posted by Krusty
The allies missed the hurricanes. The P-40E is outclassed by almost every axis plane. I know some folks can get some kills with it, but when it's 12 vs 1 and that 1 is a P40 it has no chance. Can't turn with any LW plane, can't out run any LW plane, can't out climb or out dive any of them. Basically SOL.
12 vs 1 you're hosed whatever you're in. To say the P-40 can't out turn LW planes or dive with them is not accurate.
Is the Yak9U not enabled?
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It was not. It still wouldn't turn with 109s if it were.
Oh, and to say the P-40E cannot turn with the LW planes is accurate. It is inferior to most (if not all) 109s, and especially the F-4 and G-2s I saw most when I was online. It might be able to dive but not dive away, not dive to catch the planes running from it. Not to mention, diving is moot when you have a line-astern formation of 190s and 109s diving in from above the clouds in an endless conga-line of cherry picking :t :t :t
Anyways, it wasn't very balanced for the allied side, was my point and opinion. I was offering the other side, rather than arguing for change. I probably won't be back unless my squaddies want to go to the AvA.
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True, the P-40E is inferior to most of the 109's (maybe the E too) But it will turn with them if the 109 driver is foolish enough to do so.
I have no answer for you about the cherry picking gangfest. It happens from time to time on the AvA, just not every time like the MAs.
The Yak9U is supposed to be enabled at certain fields like the G-14. I have an inquiry in on its status in the Staff forum now.
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Originally posted by Krusty
The LA5 has its own problems, and while it can turn well, it is not as easy to pull tight turns as the 109F-4 (most numerous 109 I saw in the short time I was on) and the g-2. It's very close in radius to the G-2 but the G-2 does it with much more ease.
....er....you'd rather be in one of the 109s than an La5?
Seriously, it's always seemed to me that, with the La5, the Bolsheviks have the edge in this plane set. But the nice thing about FinRus is that there really isn't the lop-sidedness you get in some (most?) of the other historical matches. One guy might think the 109s have the edge, another guy thinks that the La5s do, but they're close enough in performance that the pilots are going to be the deciding factors.
As for the P-40Es...they provide a lot of fun, and the guys who are really good in them don't seem to mind that the 109s are higher-performance planes.
What the removal of the Hurri IIC has accomplished is to eliminate much (if not most) of the Hizooka Madness that has often detracted from FinRus. In the process, a lot of the historical flavor is back - we fly German planes against Russian planes now, instead of US Navy planes against British fighters.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
....er....you'd rather be in one of the 109s than an La5?
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As for the P-40Es...they provide a lot of fun, and the guys who are really good in them don't seem to mind that the 109s are higher-performance planes.
- oldman
Are you kiding? Ill take a 109 any day over the LA5. Any 109. As for the p40 its ok in a 4 vs 1 but in a 6 vs 1 it does have a hard time. Especialy when every single ping means flap damage and with out them, its just a flying bathtab.
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don't have an issue with the planeset, it is the "mindset" of the players that was the problem the other day .. it seemed someone let out a pile of rejects from MA as they descended into AvA with their "skillz" :)
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Funny thing is, seemed like every other time I've been to the AvA in the past year.
Oh, and I saw quite a few "regular" names in the roster when I scanned it. Weren't so many "ma dweebs" as some suggest.
EDIT: Well I don't want this to go in the wrong direction from here. I said my 2 cents, I'm done. I'll leave now.
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wow!!!! this is funny to read. I guess since JG54 isn't there much and more to the point I haven't been there since I don't remember when the place has really improved.
good luck with improving your arena. I'll continue to contribute by staying away.
:rofl
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If only the ruskys had their woobiecane this threat wouldn't exist, all the more reason to keep it out. :D
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That's funny -- I spent a good portion of my limited flying time in the AvA on Saturday, and witnessed none of the problems some of you folks are complaining about.
The sides stayed relatively even. HOing was at a minimum. Very few pilots broke about 8K. Just your general furball.
And I flew on the Ruskie side. Surely if the plane set was soooo unbalanced, I would have heard at least ONE complaint -- but no, those that were on seemed to be holding their own against the "superior" axis planes, and having a good time doing it.
So, it must not be the plane set -- just the pilots.
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Originally posted by E25280
So, it must not be the plane set -- just the pilots.
Some of the whines in this thread are an endorsement of that theory.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Some of the whines in this thread are an endorsement of that theory.
Wana translate that for me Slash? Are you saing it did not hapen? Does E25 think it did not hapen because he loged in at a different time?
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Originally posted by storch
wow!!!! this is funny to read. I guess since JG54 isn't there much and more to the point I haven't been there since I don't remember when the place has really improved.
good luck with improving your arena. I'll continue to contribute by staying away.
:rofl
Ohhh Storch, don't get us wrong man. You guys are idiots, but you are not the only idiots.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Wana translate that for me Slash? Are you saing it did not hapen? Does E25 think it did not hapen because he loged in at a different time?
wtf?:huh
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Originally posted by Slash27
wtf?:huh
:p
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:D
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P-40 pwns.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Ohhh Storch, don't get us wrong man. You guys are idiots, but you are not the only idiots.
coming from you I take this as a compliment.
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Originally posted by storch
coming from you I take this as a compliment.
It was meant to be :p
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Last night was fun, except for Dace owning me completely in his LA-5 (dweeb :P). Very civil and fun, fair fights, and 'back off our base' calls were observed without fail.
to all flying last night.
I've found that I almost exclusively fly in the AvA and Special Events now. MA is not fun anymore for me.
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yup it was the first night in 3 weeks that I managed to be on for more than an hour at a shot. A few HO's and gangs from some new faces but that's manageable for me. Good times but where were shifty and king insect?
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Actually the Yak9U has been available from some fields - A4 and A5 at least IIRC - haven't remembered to add it to the MOTD (or Arena Message)...
As for last weekend, there were a lot of newbies flying in there (at least on Sat evening / afternoon for some of you), did anyone try using the ch.1 to tell them what is expected in the arena? (As to what the expectations are seems to differ from person to person, but no vulching and no ganging seem to be a part of it).
The most important part is that if you aren't enjoying it, take an hour or two off and give it a try, or try it again tomorrow or the next week.
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Originally posted by Panzzer
Actually the Yak9U has been available from some fields - A4 and A5 at least IIRC - haven't remembered to add it to the MOTD (or Arena Message)...
As for last weekend, there were a lot of newbies flying in there (at least on Sat evening / afternoon for some of you), did anyone try using the ch.1 to tell them what is expected in the arena? (As to what the expectations are seems to differ from person to person, but no vulching and no ganging seem to be a part of it).
The most important part is that if you aren't enjoying it, take an hour or two off and give it a try, or try it again tomorrow or the next week.
Yes we did, repeatedly. Thats when we were told that they just knew how to fly the 190s and they did not designe them, :lol
As for the morning with out the newbes, you were there and saw it for your self. It was U and I vs what 6 or 8 of them all coming in at the same time
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Originally posted by dedalos
As for the morning with out the newbes, you were there and saw it for your self. It was U and I vs what 6 or 8 of them all coming in at the same time
Seems like a fair enuf handicap. Dedalos and Panzzer v. 6 or 8 newbies? Just about right.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Seems like a fair enuf handicap. Dedalos and Panzzer v. 6 or 8 newbies? Just about right.
- oldman
I said with out the newbies :p The sad part was that it was planed. The organised to fly that way :(