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Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Fencer51 on July 04, 2007, 08:40:32 PM

We are going to try something new with Der Grosse Schlag (http://ahevents.org/pacific-theatre/current-or-next-scenario.html) the next scenario in Aces High.

We are going to try and have historical skins for all the units involved.

Fortunately a good number of the units are already represented.  However there are a few that need to be filled in on the Luftwaffe side.

Below is a list.

I/JG 2 Fw 190A-8
I/JG 3 Bf 109G-14
III/JG 26 Bf 109G-14  
I/JG 27 Bf 109G-14
II/JG 27 Bf 109K-4  
III/JG 54 Fw 190D-9  
I/JG 300 Bf 109K-4 (Under Construction by Fencer)

There is already a I/JG3 G14 in the game but it is a unique scheme and if someone wants to we could use a nice normal camo patterned one.

Would some of you skinners be willing to step up and do some skins and have them ready for inclusion in the game by the September 1, 2007 inclusion date?

Please state in this thread any skins you are willing to do.

Thanks in advance.

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Larry on July 04, 2007, 10:15:43 PM

Im working on three III./JG54 190D9 skins right now.

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Lord ReDhAwK on July 04, 2007, 11:11:47 PM

Salute Lord Fencer.  

I would be very happy to make the I/JG3 G14.  A squadmate of mine has a book on JG3 that I am sure he could send me a few scans of.  I assume we find our own reference or does the scenario team have a specific one in mind they would like made?

If we are researching our own, how about a specific location and time-frame.  Course, I havent read the link you posted yet so could already have the answer :)

ReDhAwK

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Lord ReDhAwK on July 04, 2007, 11:14:05 PM

Alrighty.  November 1944.  I will start my research.

ReDhAwK

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Fencer51 on July 05, 2007, 06:48:00 AM

Thanks Guys!

Title: DGS LW Skins
Post by: Stampf on July 05, 2007, 10:37:36 PM

Many thanks to all involved to this point.  DGS promises to be the premier event of 2007.  I would hope to see all Luftwobbles present, in their shiny new skins. :aok

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Krusty on July 10, 2007, 04:13:36 PM

Fencer, I am unable to find any immediate reference to JG2 using 190s past the 190A-6. Are you sure you've got the right unit there? I can't find any examples online. All I can find are a few IL2 skins (which I view as 100% unreliable without any other sources) and 1 built model kit that may have the wrong markings.

I'm curious what a profile would look like for one of these planes.

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Treize69 on July 10, 2007, 05:18:29 PM

Closest I can find is this A6 from 9/Jg 2

Link didnt work, gonna attach it...

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Treize69 on July 10, 2007, 05:19:37 PM

Here.

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Treize69 on July 10, 2007, 05:26:02 PM

Did find this Dora from I/Jg 2 and the right time period though (if the attachment works).

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Krusty on July 10, 2007, 05:27:48 PM

Yes, but I cannot find anything after A-6. No A-7s no A-8s no A-9s. Did they fly 109s in this time frame, or something?

There are no A5s in the DGS scenario, so that doesn't help me (but thanks for the effort).

EDIT: The skin would be for the A-8, so dora profiles aren't an option.

EDIT2: I think it's odd, is all. I could find profiles for JG1, JG3, JG4, JG5, but no JG2.

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Treize69 on July 10, 2007, 05:38:15 PM

Well an A6 skin on an A8 wouldn't be all THAT far off as a sub for a scenario.

Closer than an FM-2 for a Brewster anyway....

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Krusty on July 10, 2007, 05:40:29 PM

You don't understand, any skins have to follow the normal rules. They won't be taken off when the scenario's done. So any skin you submit will still follow the same scrutiny.

A5 vs A8 is still a big enough difference.

My main question arose because the flight line said A-8 for JG2, and from what I gather Fencer's using historical line-ups to fill out the choices.

So if it's historical, why can't I find anything for a skin?

It's driving me nuts...







(okay, more so)

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Fencer51 on July 10, 2007, 05:44:34 PM

I have data which shows a loss of a 190A8 by I/JG2 in mid November.

Also Aviation Elite Units by Osprey "Jagdgeschwader 2" shows I/JG2 as having FW190s at this time (November 1944)  Although II/JG2 had 109Gs as did III/JG2.

I did check after you mentioned not finding any profiles, and I too don't see any in my books.

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Treize69 on July 10, 2007, 05:46:01 PM

Now I wish I had more stuff on the 190 to look for photos, its bugging me too. Scouring my usual sources and coming up empty.




Damn you Krusty!!!

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Krusty on July 10, 2007, 05:48:25 PM

Crud.. I've got 190a8 templates. I've done some already. I was going to see if I could toss one together quickly for you, but now I wouldn't know how it would look!

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Lord ReDhAwK on July 10, 2007, 06:50:06 PM

Im running into the same frustration for the 109g14 for I/JG3.  I have yet to find a period photo or profile noting November of 44 or anything 44.  I have found numerous G6's...not a single G14.

Template is made, just nothing to paint :(  By the By, I found a GORGEOUS G6 for VII/JG3 that I will do after the g14 project :)

Please post any profiles you gents may find in your research for a g14.  Or PM if you like.

appreciate it.

ReDhAwK

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Krusty on July 10, 2007, 07:51:26 PM

Redhawk, if it's a late G6 with an erla haube and/or the tall tail or if it's close enough to the G14, I say go for it. The G6 in AH is the early version, and if you find a "late" version, it would be closer to the in-game G14 (as a means of justifying putting it on that plane instead)

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Fencer51 on July 10, 2007, 08:20:07 PM

G14 for JG3 here as well.

http://www.eagle-editions.com/decal46.htm

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Lord ReDhAwK on July 10, 2007, 09:07:39 PM

Thx fellas :)

Fencer,  The one requested for the scenario was I/JG3.  The one on the decal is VII/JG3.  Now Im sure that the paint scheme would be the same for the g14's no matter the Gruppe.  However, I will have to take an artistic liberty and place the I Gruppe Logo on it (which is a spiney worm.)  VII/JG3 actually had a red outlined starburst on their G6 (I have period pics of this.)  So, I guess the question becomes..would you rather have me skin the late model g6 and submit it for the g14 OR skin the VII/JG3 from the decal you linked to?

Realistically I guess I could skin and submit both.  However, both would be VII/JG3, not I/JG3 as originally requested for the scenario.  I am attaching a "very" quick paintjob on the g6 version.

ReDhAwK

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Krusty on July 10, 2007, 09:13:51 PM

IMO you should do the VII/JG3 skin as it was. You don't know for sure they had G14s in I/JG3 without the proof, right? So we can just use the "next closest thing" (VII/JG3) to portray what we want (I/JG3).

Already, skins we already have in-game that are close but different groups are being suggested. So, close counts.

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Larry on July 10, 2007, 10:18:32 PM

III./JG 54 190D-9. It stills needs alot of work but I hope I can submit it and it gets put in the game to make the scenario. I have two other ones but Im just going to do one other one for my squadie.





(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/testjg54.jpg)

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Husky01 on July 10, 2007, 10:26:00 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Larry
III./JG 54 190D-9. It stills needs alot of work but I hope I can submit it and it gets put in the game to make the scenario. I have two other ones but Im just going to do one other one for my squadie.





(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/testjg54.jpg)

Looks very good!

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: weazely on July 11, 2007, 02:36:55 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Larry
III./JG 54 190D-9. It stills needs alot of work but I hope I can submit it and it gets put in the game to make the scenario. I have two other ones but Im just going to do one other one for my squadie.








(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/testjg54.jpg)

Awesome!!!!!
:O :aok :O

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Xasthur on July 12, 2007, 08:20:05 AM

Did those model pictures I posted help you, TK?

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Stampf on July 12, 2007, 09:58:48 AM

Looks Good Truekill.  That's gonna be ultrasharp when completed.  Nice job. :aok

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Larry on July 12, 2007, 03:40:17 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Xasthur
Did those model pictures I posted help you, TK?

Yes that helped alot thanks. :aok

Title: Luftwaffe Skin Requests for Der Grosse Schlag
Post by: Xasthur on July 13, 2007, 01:11:04 AM

Excellent! I look forward to the finished skin :aok