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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Chairboy on July 05, 2007, 12:57:58 PM
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I know y'all are probably sick of hearing me chatter on about this, because half of you are quietly flying in the planes you've owned for decades and it's no big deal while the other half just doesn't care, but I gotta post again.
It's flippin' fantastic!
Here's an electronic copy of my log:
http://logshare.com/log.jsp?vpid=1955
I've been flying a lot, and haveing a great time. I was worried that I'd be one of those pilots that only pulls the hangar queen out every other weekend, but that's _not a problem_. On Tuesday and again today I flew to Eastern Oregon to drop off and pick up a friend. I volunteered because I was looking for a good excuse to head over thataway, and it was nice. I took pictures on the first trip:
http://picasaweb.google.com/ben.hallert/FlightToPrinevilleOR7307
Forgot my camera this time, which is too bad, because I flew back between the Sisters (a pair of mountains that are 10k tall). It was 8:30 in the morning on my way back and I tiptoed in to see what the mountain-wave scene was, but it was silk-smooth all the way across, so passed between the mountains at 9K which put me about a thousand feet above the hump. There was a glacial run-off lake at the top that was blue-green like an iceberg that was beautiful, and a couple hours earlier when I was heading east I had overflown fog filled valleys that looked amazing.
If you don't have your PPL yet, you gotta start. There's so much of this country you'll never see from the roads or from the airlines that you can only enjoy via air. I even found a nice looking little grass airstrip out in the sticks that I'm going to read up on, it would be a perfect place to stage a hike/camping trip from. I'd never be able to see THAT from a commercial liner or a car.
(http://hallert.net/images/sisters1.jpg)
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Originally posted by Chairboy
It's flippin' fantastic!
(http://hallert.net/images/sisters1.jpg)
:lol
I'll probably never own one, but I can imagine it is just that.
flippin' fantastic!
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Originally posted by Chairboy
http://picasaweb.google.com/ben.hallert/FlightToPrinevilleOR7307
I like the T-Shirt :D
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I had a plane for over a decade. My biggest regret is that I didn't have enough places to go to really use it to it's potential. It really helped out when I had a longish trip (250 to 600 miles) and I got a real kick out of beating the folks that went commercial one year to Annual Training (1000 miles) while I flew my bird. Yep their plane was much faster and they had 100 miles less to go, but I still arrived 2 hours earlier and left home 2 hours after they did. :D
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Sounds fun Chairboy.. How hard would it be (besides the cross-country distance) to fly near enough the launch pad to spectate a shuttle takeoff from in the air?
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There are procedures, I've heard, for being close enough to see the launch while far enough away to stay out of the restricted zone that's established prior to launch. There are probably other folks here that have actually done it, I'm over on the west coast so it's a bit far. :D
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Originally posted by moot
Sounds fun Chairboy.. How hard would it be (besides the cross-country distance) to fly near enough the launch pad to spectate a shuttle takeoff from in the air?
It's just a matter of staying out of the TFR.
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Unless you are independently wealthy, isnt the cost of owning a plane prohibitive for a middle class person?
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Depends. Are the costs of any of the following prohibitive for a middle class person?
1. Boat
2. RV
3. Vacation
Just take the money from all three of those common middle class pursuits, put it together, and you have aviation! :D
It's all about priorities and decisions. You can get into aviation for the price of a modest new car. I saw a really nice looking TriPacer in Prineville this morning selling for $17k, for instance. As for ongoing costs, fuel is the biggest, most immediate cost. 4-9 gallons per hour on the most common entry level planes at about $4 a gallon can add up, so say $16-36 bucks an hour in fuel. If you squirrel away about $7 an hour the whole life of an engine, you'll have enough to rebuild it when it's 2000 hours old. Of course, if you're an industry standard 100 hours a year pilot, that's twenty years of engine, assuming it's stored and maintained properly, of course. There are other costs like hangars and insurance, I pay $80 a month for a covered hangar and $800 for super duper mega insurance for the whole year. I'll know the hourly cost once I've flown for a year, the more I fly, the cheaper it is per hour. :D
Maintenance isn't cheap, but there's a bunch of stuff you can do yourself, preventative stuff mostly.
It really depends. Most of the guys I fly with are middle class like me. We don't make a lot of money, and we fly because we love to fly. If I had more money, I'd fly more often.
The US, I should note, is one of the cheapest places in the world to fly, second only to maybe South America or parts of the middle east (cheap fuel). Europe has expensive fuel, user fees, and extraordinary taxes that are strangling aviation, and that might be in our future too, but I hope not.
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Great post, very informative.
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Not tired of your posts or the pics. Great to see someone get so much joy from something they love.
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GA is all but dead in Europe and Australia. Only the super elite can really afford to do what we do here in the US, and even then, they are paying A LOT of money!. I really hope we don't see the light of user fee's here in the US, or a lot of us are going to have to find a new hobby.
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The FAA and especially the airlines are looking to the Euro system as something to work towards. They see GA as a cash cow. What they don't realise is that it's not the way to make money, it's the way to kill small aircraft aviation. It has already done so in Europe except for the very well to do. It's pretty much only AOPA, EAA and a few others who are holding them back.
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Comon chairboy those are just FS X photoshops aren't they :D
(very jealous)
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WTG :)
I enjoyed every minute I spent in the air at the controls of an aircraft.
Been dealt a few bad hands the last few years, but with any luck at all I will be in the air again :)
-Grayeagle (right now I am 'into' settin up my Vette for next year at the races :)
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I, for one, am sooooo jealous............maybe in the future, but only maybe...ho hum......nice pics, enjoy it fella
Wurzel
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"Never feel sorry for a man that owns his own plane"
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My family is just going into partnership on one. We COULD get it for ourselves, but decided since we dont know **** about maintenance to go in on it with someone who does.
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Serenity: Sounds like a _great_ plan! There are plenty of books on partnerships, I've read that setting one up right is really important but the payoff is very high.
For my maintenance needs, I've got a few resources. My local A&P shows all new plane owners how to properly change their oil for free, for instance. Also, my EAA chapter has a few A&Ps that can be technical advisors on issues and monitor repairs I make, it's a great resource.
But it's probably hard to beat getting into a good partnership with someone who knows their stuff.
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Originally posted by Maverick
I had a plane for over a decade. My biggest regret is that I didn't have enough places to go to really use it to it's potential. It really helped out when I had a longish trip (250 to 600 miles) and I got a real kick out of beating the folks that went commercial one year to Annual Training (1000 miles) while I flew my bird. Yep their plane was much faster and they had 100 miles less to go, but I still arrived 2 hours earlier and left home 2 hours after they did. :D
The ANG Aero Club I was in during the late 80s had 3 C172s and 1 Commanche (I think the same year as yours). It was a real treat to fly in that bird. Speedy, comfy and a nice upgrade from weeks on end of 172 flying :)
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Sweet! I just passed 100 hours of PIC today, and have exactly 50 hours Cross Country. I'm at 137.5 hours and climbing like a rocket, 52.3 of them in this Warrior over a two month period. Looks like I might meet the "Ya gotta fly at least 100 hours a year for it to make sense financially" criteria.
My flights in N33139:
http://logshare.com/log.jsp?vpid=1955&ident=N33139
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It's great to see you enjoying a passion like that. I'm still a cheapskate armchair pilot voyeur getting my kicks in Aces High and MS Flight Simulator.
My main real life love is surfing. Being in Hawaii four years was like dying and going to heaven. The East Coast just doesn't hack it in comparison.
Enjoy enjoy enjoy. Nothing is as much fun as making memories to cherish a lifetime.
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Originally posted by AKIron
"Never feel sorry for a man that owns his own plane"
awesome movie " the edge"
anyway i would love to fly a non cartoon plane, but alas my 6 kids take all my spare money, is there even such a thing?
enjoy it for me:D
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That is some very gorgeous scenery, that is missed by any other means of travel. If I can work towards it, I'd eventually like to get my GA licsense. Soon, I hope, but finances being what they are, I have to just keep my hopes up.