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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Jappa52 on July 05, 2007, 11:32:55 PM
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I thought that this was supposed to be a incredibly bad year for hurricanes but I haven’t heard anything out of the gulf or Atlantic. Not whining since having no hurricanes is a good thing but where did the weather peeps get their info??
(http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/atlantic/tropics/ir/20070706.0345.goes12.ir.x.atl_tropics.x.jpg)
Nada?
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They get them from where they get every other prediction. I don't know where that is but I believe they call them "educated guesses" a hypothesis if you will.
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The enviro-kooks predicted armageddon back last March when they put out the forecast. Apparently this, umm, quiet season doesnt fit their global warming mantra. Im waiting for them to scold the world for the southwest US for daring to have high heat. You know, like you usually do at summer time.
Give them time, they'll find a reason to blame mankind for some weather event. I mean, it just HAS to be our fault.
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Global warming isn't gonig to happen all at once, and it will happen. Global warming doesn't mean storms every year, there will be quiet years. I firmly beleive in global warming, right here in Tennessee, we're in the biggest drought we've seen in a while. But I know global warming will occur. I have solid proof.
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Hurricane season just started. I wouldn't go counting any chickens just yet.
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/G1.html
I certainly hope it is another mild season, but it is far too early to be sure about anything.
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I really REALLY wish i could be as "optimistic" as LePaul.
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Originally posted by Jappa52
Not whining since having no hurricanes is a good thing but where did the weather peeps get their info??
From Al Gore.
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Originally posted by McFarland
Global warming isn't gonig to happen all at once, and it will happen. Global warming doesn't mean storms every year, there will be quiet years. I firmly beleive in global warming, right here in Tennessee, we're in the biggest drought we've seen in a while. But I know global warming will occur. I have solid proof.
Yes, yes..we all have solid proof.... They used to call it the ice ages. Imagine, you are standing in New England, and the ice sheet moves slowly down and over your head....my GOD, global cooling!!!!!
Then, some 10,000 years later, you are standing on the ice sheet and it slowly melts away....my GOD, global warming!!!!!!!!
Repeat the cycle, repeat the mantra.....we just happen to be in a warming cycle...
Ok, for those who just can't live without a crisis, you'll really have to find another. Statistics are powerful tools that allow us to evaluate data and determine if there is significance to trends. In a Six Sigma Blackbelt program, we studied all the available temperature data and found that the current trend IS NOT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT. That means one cannot conclude, with facts, that there is anything different now than in the past.
I am sorry that this flies in the face of those who would stir you up with fear. It's how they get you to give them power.... Please don't buy this one.
Re: Hurricanes - Watch the surface water temperatures.... Many hurricane watchers feel this is the key to gauging the current year's forecast...warmer water is bad news...this year, the water temps are lower than some recent years, which may bode well.
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Soooooooo... all the forrests that has been cut, co2 and crap spewed out over the last 200 years or so has absolutly no affect on anything? That is awsome!
:rofl
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No, me solid proof is in the book of truth, the good book, the Holy Bible, King James version, "the winters will be as hot as the summers". "Man shall hide from the sun".
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excellent weather forecast mcfarland ;)
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Originally posted by LePaul
The enviro-kooks predicted armageddon back last March when they put out the forecast. Apparently this, umm, quiet season doesnt fit their global warming mantra. Im waiting for them to scold the world for the southwest US for daring to have high heat. You know, like you usually do at summer time.
How about stopping with the name calling?
I mean Im sure you can come up with lots of fancy insults or degrading names for people who are concerned about the climate change, just as I can come up with lots of fancy insults or degrading names for people who fail to understand the danger of the climate change...but where does that all get us?
This is the o-club. Perhaps we should try to behave as o's?
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Hortlund, that actually sounds sensible. And Nilsen, it isn't me forecast, it's God's. :aok So it will happen, as for when, well, I think we're getting really close. It's kinda like being on a train pulling into the station at 100 mph, and we just broke the brake lever.
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Ok, so i cant really plan my vacation based on the bible? You see.. im going sailing for a week today and it would be great to have a heads-up on the weather from other sources than what i have access to right now. ;)
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Haaarrrr, real pirates don't worry about the weather.
:D
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Very true.. but the little miss pirate is not yet ready for a storm, but i guess we may find out :D She is starting to look the part tho. Last week we got her "crew" t-shirt printed so we are getting there.
Captain (me)
Boss (missus)
Crew (daughter)
Cook (dog)
We look awfully cute :)
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hurricane season officially (arbitrarily) begins every June 1 and ends every Dec 1. I don't think nature listens to those weather people any more than it does to the global warming handwringers though. the key to a successful hurricane season is preparation. that means stoutly built homes with low profiles or a hip roof and protected windows, trimming trees back to reduce their profile, stocking up on food, fresh water supply, batteries, backup power plenty of fuel to run your generator(s) for an HTC two week period 24/7 and most of all cigars, cognac,whisky and beer.
there is nothing to fear from hurricanes if one takes a few common sense precautions.
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Originally posted by storch
there is nothing to fear from hurricanes if one takes a few common sense precautions. [/B]
Yeah...like not building your house in a hurricane-area.
People choosing to live in hurricane alley are about as smart as people building houses on flood-plains.
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that would mean vacating the entire caribbean basin, central america, the yucatan peninsula, the gulf coast of mexico and the united states, the eastern atlantic seaboard of the united states, the hawaiian islands and every island in the central pacific as well as the western pacific rim.
you may want to rethink that theory sir.
oops I forgot bermuda
I live in one of the areas with the highest probability for suffering hurricane damage. I have lived in the hurricane zone my whole life with the exception of four years while serving my country in the US Navy. I have been through countless hurricanes and I have yet to even lose a single roof shingle in any of the homes we have owned. preparedness is the key as it is with any situation. even the ravages of nature can be mitigated with proper planning and common sense precautions, furthermore hurricanes are by far the mildest of the natural forces. where I was born the place was subject to seismic activity as well as hurricanes.
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Originally posted by McFarland
Global warming isn't gonig to happen all at once, and it will happen. Global warming doesn't mean storms every year, there will be quiet years. I firmly beleive in global warming, right here in Tennessee, we're in the biggest drought we've seen in a while. But I know global warming will occur. I have solid proof.
so do I
Its July and its warm
I experience global warming just about every year at this time :p
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Yeah...like not building your house in a hurricane-area.
People choosing to live in hurricane alley are about as smart as people building houses on flood-plains.
No. NOBODY is more stupid then the people who build their homes on the flood plains.
Well thats not entirely accurate.
The government is for providing disaster releif funding every time this flooding occurs instead of requiring that all homes built on the flood plain be raised above the high water line by way of stilts the way some tribes in the world do.
Seems a simple concept
Drive I beams into the ground and build the homes on them 10-15 feet above the typical waterline.
Then when the floods come you dont worry about sandbagging everything. Just evacuate the area of all vehicles and let nature do what it does.
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Originally posted by McFarland
But I know global warming will occur. I have solid poop.
Fixed it for ya.
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Hortlund preaching etiquette.
Wow.
Maybe the rivers will turn to blood now. Gotta see if dogs and cats are getting along now. Rumor has it there's a 100 foot tall Stay Puft marshmallow man stomping thru NYC :p
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You have to admit tho that if all the kings scientists and all the kings men can't even predict if there will be more or less hurricanes this year than last....
that grandiose predictions of "man made global warming" and what it will do 100 years from now are pretty silly.
That.. the people who can't even put out or prevent a forest fire in tahoe are going to change the weather of the planet by passing laws and collecting taxes....
It all seems worse than the whackiest religion ever foisted on the people.
The same people who put leeches on you 100 years ago are telling you what the world will be like 100 years from now.
Do they ever get anything right? have any of their long range predictions ever come true?
hell... not to mention what the weather will be like next week.
lazs
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I'm too busy checking for near earth asteroids to worry about hurricanes.
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Climatologists and meteorologists predicted that the hurricane season of 2006 would be one of the worst on record, as a result of global warming.
Instead, it was one of the quietest on record, and these experts had enough egg on their faces to make omelettes for a year.
For 2007, the predictions are basically the same: large numbers of powerful hurricanes.
Ah me. We may be in the middle of global warming, but they still refuse to admit that weather and climate prediction is inexact and problematic.
Welp....better luck this year. Oh, wait....us average folk don't really want death and destruction....do we?
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Give it a chance. Hurricane season is usually far more active toward the end than at the beginning although, like last year, things are looking pretty calm. For once though, I'd just love to hear one of the bozos that blamed Katrina on global warming say "well, what can I say but I was wrong."
It's a fact that the earth is warming....it has been warming ever since the middle of the Little Ice Age. When it's ready, the earth will start cooling again also. The debate is man's contribution and the unfortunate fact that global warmingists have successfully equated global warming with "Man-made Global Warming". That's a pretty good PR trick (although some would call it Propaganda).
Global warming and hurricanes aside I think we all need to start paying attention to the newest "evil mankind" story (http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/human-greed-takes-lions-share-of-solar-energy/2007/07/02/1183351126304.html). You wouldn't think something this foolish would gain traction but then.....never underestimate the lengths the followers of the Church of the Environment will go.
Human greed takes lion's share of solar energy
HUMANS are just one of the millions of species on Earth, but we use up almost a quarter of the sun's energy captured by plants - the most of any species. The human dominance of this natural resource is affecting other species, reducing the amount of energy available to them by almost 10 per cent, scientists report. Researchers said the findings showed humans were using "a remarkable share" of the earth's plant productivity "to meet the needs and wants of one species".
I can see it now, Sunshine Offsets for Al Gore and of course, Sunshine taxes for those of us that live in Florida, and Save the Sun concerts held in underground caverns around the world.
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If you want to force building responsibly in hurricane area's do away with FEMA running in and rebuilding houses and force insurance companies to charge premiums that cover the risk.
I get tired of having my rates jacked by 25-40% up here in the midwest every time Florida gets hit with a hurricane because the industry does not have the stones to put up with all the crying from down south.
shamus
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The Earth will get REAL hot just before the Sun dies, in about five Billion years from now.
P.S. Correction from million to billion.:D
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yep... do away with fema.
I often wonder why trailer parks are in tornado country...
here it floods in some places... we have people weeping when their house floods.. even tho there were ten high water marks on the stucco when they bought the place.
If you think you are at risk and care about replacing the property then buy insurance.
simple stuff. No need for the government to get involved. In fact.. they just make it worse and.. no one appreciates it in any case.
lazs
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Originally posted by Xargos
The Earth will get REAL hot just before the Sun dies, in about five million years from now.
I gotta correct you. But I think you mean billions of years.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Yeah...like not building your house in a hurricane-area.
People choosing to live in hurricane alley are about as smart as people building houses on flood-plains.
Uh Hortlund, have you even looked at the land masses that are affected by hurricanes? You do realize it affects the US from the center of texas (east and west center) around the coast to the East and all the way up past Maine. It also makes an impact for flooding more than a couple states inland from the coast all along the coast. Don't forget the less frequent hurricanes that affect California and even Arizona that come North from the Pacific regions off of the SW coast of Mexico.
That would be a heck of a lot of territory to abandon there don't ya think?
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Originally posted by mentalguy
I gotta correct you. But I think you mean billions of years.
Oops, your right.:D
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So lets see. We abandon all the areas affected by hurricanes. But why stop there? Let's also abandon all the areas affected by tornadoes - they're pretty nasty as well. Also, those floods are bad news - and those winter ice storms seem a complete nightmare. And lets not forget earthquakes. You'd have to be mental to live in an earthquake zone. Or near a volcano. Or in a brush-fire area.
So that means, as far as I can see, that we're all moving to Nevada. Oh wait - there's no water there.
There's nothing for it - look like we'll need to abandon North America. Last person out turn out the lights will ya.
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Originally posted by Shamus
If you want to force building responsibly in hurricane area's do away with FEMA running in and rebuilding houses and force insurance companies to charge premiums that cover the risk.
I get tired of having my rates jacked by 25-40% up here in the midwest every time Florida gets hit with a hurricane because the industry does not have the stones to put up with all the crying from down south.
shamus
how much are your insurance premiums? I pay $7600 per year for my home.
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Originally posted by storch
how much are your insurance premiums? I pay $7600 per year for my home.
:O
That seems like alot.
Must be a nice house.
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Originally posted by storch
how much are your insurance premiums? I pay $7600 per year for my home.
What you pay is not relevant, my point is that what ever it is it is not enough to cover the exposure, therefore the rest of the county subsidizes your losses.
I can say that my rates have tripled in the last 7 years.
shamus
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Originally posted by Curval
:O
That seems like alot.
Must be a nice house.
5100 or so sq ft in the far northwest corner of dade county the home is average for the community and indicative of the price one pays to live in paradise. shamus is probably paying $500.
the truth is we who live here pay for our own risks and not the folks who are in other markets with far less risk. what shamus posted about his premiums going up have nothing to do with hurricanes in florida.
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See, the problem with this is that people fail to realize that Research is a Business. No researcher will get any money if they tell everyone that everything will be fine.
All money is funneled to the researchers who scream, "HOLY ****ING ****! THE WORLD IS GOING TO EXPLODE! AHHHH! AAAAAAAGH!"
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Originally posted by storch
the truth is we who live here pay for our own risks and not the folks who are in other markets with far less risk.
Well thats just it storch, you dont. Reinsurers pay the biggest portion in a catastrophic loss and reinsurance rates take a jump nation wide after a large regional shock loss.
Granted the rates go up more in the area of the loss, but the loss is spread nationwide none the less.
You may not like to admit the notion that at times others carry water for you, but that does not change the facts.
shamus
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We are making up for in Houston with what feels like a month straight of rain.
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Originally posted by McFarland
Hortlund, that actually sounds sensible. And Nilsen, it isn't me forecast, it's God's. :aok So it will happen, as for when, well, I think we're getting really close. It's kinda like being on a train pulling into the station at 100 mph, and we just broke the brake lever.
What does Allah have to say?
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I meself don't beleive in Allah, I'm Christian. But I know that the end of the world is nigh, all the predictions in the Bible are coming true. The Earth is warming (when me papaw was a boy, it actually snowed during the winter here, but not any more), storms and earthquakes in diverse places (tornados in NZ, drought here, flooding in Texas, Asian tsunami, drought out west, hurricanes like crazy one year, almost none the next), very few Christians, Jews who are beginning to beleive in Jesus, talk of peace for years, all nations turning against Israel, the bear shall start the war. It's coming soon, maybe not in me lifetime, or me children's lifetime, maybe not in me grandchildren's or great grandchildren's time, but it's coming soon. "The love shall wax cold", and it sure is. We can only delay it by prayer, but we can't stop it. I feel sorry for those who don't beleive in God, I really do.
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Wow...like none of this ever happened before. :rofl
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Left out a quote: "A bomb that will cook the flesh from the bone before a man can fall." Got it. Used it at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And on a few atolls.
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Originally posted by storch
5100 or so sq ft in the far northwest corner of dade county the home is average for the community and indicative of the price one pays to live in paradise.
Average? 5,100 square feet is average? Must be a nice community.
Paradise meaning Florida or the USA in general? ;)
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Paradise(n.) - a small section of East Tennessee in the foothills of the Smokies.
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Originally posted by McFarland
Paradise(n.) - a small section of East Tennessee in the foothills of the Smokies.
I agree that eastern tennessee sure is lovely country. we want to buy land there just in case the ice caps melt, we will be in a beachfront community again.
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It's good land, rich fertile soil, usually lots of water (big drought this year though), and lots of forests and animals. Usually gently rolling hills, a few valleys and ridges (the ridges are usually forested, good for hunting when you get low on food), many rivers and lakes, good fishing in them, it's paradise. Especially closer to the Smokies, and away from the cities and people.
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A 5100 square foot home is average, eh?
Sounds like they're real concerned about the environment.
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McFarland, beach front property sounds like a good investment, IF the ice caps melt.
On the other hand, if the climatologists are wrong and we enter an ice age instead, a new continental glacier thousands of feet thick will form and eastern Tennessee will have an arctic climate.
Buy, but don't try to latch on to too much land, you could end up being stuck with it. :D
Regards, Shuckins
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Climatologists and meteorologists predicted that the hurricane season of 2006 would be one of the worst on record, as a result of global warming.
Instead, it was one of the quietest on record, and these experts had enough egg on their faces to make omelettes for a year.
For 2007, the predictions are basically the same: large numbers of powerful hurricanes.
Ah me. We may be in the middle of global warming, but they still refuse to admit that weather and climate prediction is inexact and problematic.
Welp....better luck this year. Oh, wait....us average folk don't really want death and destruction....do we?
You know, if they keep predicting "the worst hurricane season on record". Eventually they will be correct.
Then they'll all jump up and down pointing out they were right.
:rolleyes:
Bronk
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the community was built in the mid-late 50's when this was really the sticks. the original owners had to travel over 15 miles to get to a grocery store. jackie gleason built a home here and his pal built three PGA golf courses. national airlines hosted their golf tournament here for many years. the area gentrified in the 80's and many homes fell into disrepair.
we bought this home for the value of the land and spent one year remodelling the place it was for all intents a ruin when we bought it. over the subsequent years have remodelled the baths and the kitchen.
in it's current iteration it retains the overall footprint of it's original design but it is all new on the interior and very energy efficient but it still costs quite a bit to cool as the A/Cs run 24/7.
we are planning to gut it again in the next year or so as our needs are now different from when we last remodelled but frau storch and I can't seem to settle upon what the priorities are.
I want a home theater and computer room she wants rooms for the grandkids and guest rooms.
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The grandkids can sleep in tents outside or on the floor of the computer room though you'll need a muzzel when playing. And for the guests I'd put a tavel trailer in the driveway, don't want em to be too comfortable as to over stay their welcome.
9200th post? You truely have no life!
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Originally posted by lazs2
You have to admit tho that if all the kings scientists and all the kings men can't even predict if there will be more or less hurricanes this year than last....
that grandiose predictions of "man made global warming" and what it will do 100 years from now are pretty silly.
That.. the people who can't even put out or prevent a forest fire in tahoe are going to change the weather of the planet by passing laws and collecting taxes....
It all seems worse than the whackiest religion ever foisted on the people.
The same people who put leeches on you 100 years ago are telling you what the world will be like 100 years from now.
Do they ever get anything right? have any of their long range predictions ever come true?
hell... not to mention what the weather will be like next week.
lazs
Lasz....your problem is you search for something concrete, ie "more hurricanes" in the global warming (now non-debate, thank you.) . Most climatologist agree that global warming will have only small measure of effect on hurricane formation. Tying hurricanes into global warming is inane stupidity. As well, we're not even a month and a half into a seven month season... jesus, talk about putting the cart before the horse and jumping to conclusions.
That being said, as for the poster who mentioned statistics...
I live in florida.. I've been through 9 or so tropical sytems classified as 1 or higher in the past 5 years. Statistically, that is significant over that time period. It lies in the farthest outliers, away from the norm.
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Originally posted by lazs2
yep... do away with fema.
I often wonder why trailer parks are in tornado country...
here it floods in some places... we have people weeping when their house floods.. even tho there were ten high water marks on the stucco when they bought the place.
If you think you are at risk and care about replacing the property then buy insurance.
simple stuff. No need for the government to get involved. In fact.. they just make it worse and.. no one appreciates it in any case.
lazs
I only wish this were so, Lazs, but not for the reasons you would support. People allowed to do whatever they want would significantly improve the chances of natural selection taking their genes out of the pool. Then the rest of us could get along with making things work.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Lasz....your problem is you search for something concrete, ie "more jesus, talk about putting the cart before the horse and jumping to conclusions.
global warming?
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Originally posted by Shuckins
McFarland, beach front property sounds like a good investment, IF the ice caps melt.
On the other hand, if the climatologists are wrong and we enter an ice age instead, a new continental glacier thousands of feet thick will form and eastern Tennessee will have an arctic climate.
Buy, but don't try to latch on to too much land, you could end up being stuck with it. :D
Regards, Shuckins
I didn't ay it was beach front property, I said it was paradise, good rich fertile farmland.
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Oops, sorry...I meant that statement for Storch.
Regards, Shuckins
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Originally posted by VWE
The grandkids can sleep in tents outside or on the floor of the computer room though you'll need a muzzel when playing. And for the guests I'd put a tavel trailer in the driveway, don't want em to be too comfortable as to over stay their welcome.
9200th post? You truely have no life!
I agree with the first paragraph but renounce the second one. It's quite clear that I have plenty of life as evidenced by my post count. people with no life are dead and therefore cannot post. I'm brimming with life, at least up to this moment.
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Originally posted by Bronk
You know, if they keep predicting "the worst hurricane season on record". Eventually they will be correct.
Then they'll all jump up and down pointing out they were right.
:rolleyes:
Bronk
Thats a good point Bronk, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.:D
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Originally posted by lazs2
blah blah blah I dont know what Im talking about blah blah blah
lazs
Heres a question for you laz.
Is surface water temperature a factor when it comes to hurricane strenght?
If it is, and if we can show that the temperature of the surface water increases...are there any predictions to be made from that?
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moray... you can't even put out a forest fire or predict the weather next week much less next year and yet... you feel that you understand why the climate gets warmer and colder in cycles and that you can pin most of the blame on man...
Even worse... you think that we can do something about it. even tho we can't put out a fire or predict the weather. you will simply fade into the background when we go into a global cooling cycle... not the least bit contrite.. you will still be as smug as you are today..
You simply hate people... you feel that "your work" is important but not anyones who does not agree with you.
You are correct that we want fema disbanded for different reasons... you want people who you think are inferior to die... I want a government to not grow and control... you want more government control... to me... you are the enemy.
You will say anything because to you.. the end justifies the means. That is what is wrong with the politicized "scientists" of today. They don't realize that the means are all we have... what we live with... the end is almost always a huge load of pompous BS.
Study your fish... have a good time.. you might even be of some help in that area.. don't pretend to understand what does or doesn't create global climate and global climate change.
It doesn't matter... people are starting to come to their senses... people are saying as I do... you guys are always wrong... you are undoubtably mostly wrong on this and they won't allow you to make their lives worse over it.. sure...it is fun to think of disaster but when it comes to you buffoons changing their REAL lives they ignore you.
AS THEY SHOULD.
lazs
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I guess my question was too complicated for him then.
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Be fair - give him some time to compose a rant...
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Heres a question for you laz.
Is surface water temperature a factor when it comes to hurricane strenght?
If it is, and if we can show that the temperature of the surface water increases...are there any predictions to be made from that?
surface water temperature is indeed one of the factors which directly affect hurricane strength.
I was reading an article written by lonnie thompson a glaciologist with ohio state university and possibly the premier glaciologist today. thompson is documenting glacial ice in retreat in both hemispheres simultaneously. according to thompson, since 1960 the global area covered by glaciers has been reduced by approximately 5% and their volume by more than 7% or approximately 90 cubic miles. thats enough water to fill lake erie.
this water is of course cold water, near freezing cold and furthermore it is also fresh water which is far denser tha salt water. our planet's climate is controlled by the earth's water conveyor system in the great oceans. this cold water flowing into the atlantic, pacific, and indian oceans sinking to great depths threatens to disrupt the ocean conveyor system. some scientists believe that a partial shut down will gradually decrease the global atmospheric temperatures ushering in another mini iceage.
there is great dissention within the scientific community regarding global warming and it's potential effects. in other words the facts aren't in yet. there is wild speculation a lot of which is simply envy of the united states on the part of europeans and the availability of grant money from organizations with a one world government agenda who are not above a by any means necessary approach to accomplish their goals is driving some scientists with huge ego problems to post questionable hypothesies for their paymasters.
there is significant evidence that the global carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere are considerably higher than they were prior to the start of the industrial revolution. according to paleoclimatologist maureen raymo of boston university water traps carbon dioxide and dissolves the gas in the atmosphere which then comes down as acid rain which then reacts with rocks to become more stable carbon compounds. with increased hurricanes comes increased rain which more rapidly increases the catalyzation of atmospheric CO2 into acid rain which could actually bring about global cooling and more iceages.
here are but two examples of global warming creating the conditions which will usher in global cooling down the road. these swings in global temperatures are documented in those great timecapsules called glaciers. core samples from glaciers from both hemispheres document that the earth has wild swings in temperature.
personally I see no reason why we should halt our economy allowing the chinese and the indians to catch up because some europeans and american liberal one worldists say so.
the use of alternative methods for fueling our societies will be developed just as soon as we consume all the fossil fuels on the planet.
now excuse me as I fire up my my 13mpg SUV for a drive into my greenhouse gas producing shop so that I can earn a living.
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So, acid rain is a good thing I suppose?
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Curval
So, acid rain is a good thing I suppose?
:rolleyes:
if it helps to put you in grown men's trousers because bermuda is freezing, yes.
(you really shouldn't provoke me)
:D
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I didn't realise that posting an on topic question provoked an off topic jab. It is all you ever do and it is getting old and boring. Answer the question.
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I can't answer as to what causes hurricanes or if there will be more or less of them this year or next or why that may be.
Unlike your "man made global warming"... er... "scientists".. I don't even try. My point is that the same people who claim they know all about global warming claim that it, and man, is the reason for increased hurricane activity.. they predict hurricane frequency based on their "models" that are also telling us that the ice caps will melt in 10 or 20 years and drown 90% of the population just before we all die of either starvation or burn to a cinder because we drive the wrong car or don't give enough money to the UN.
I am saying that... based on their current ability as scientists... they can't predict next weeks weather... they can't predict next years hurricanes and... they can't tell us when we will go into a global cooling cycle or if we will have one or not (unless they study sun spot activity of course)
I am saying that if they predict the worst hurricane season ever... enough times that the odds are... someday they will be right.. so far tho.. the worst gambler has better luck than these scientists when it comes to predicting doom and gloom.
I say they don't have the ability. It's time to take a look behind the curtain for some of you acolytes.
so far as global warming...
ITS THE SUN STUPID
so far as predicting long term weather? get a farmers almanac.. they do better.
lazs
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Originally posted by Curval
I didn't realise that posting an on topic question provoked an off topic jab. It is all you ever do and it is getting old and boring. Answer the question.
look at the fifteenth word in what you consider to be my off topic reply.
here's a clue, the word is short containing but three letters and is monosyballic.
look carefully. that which you seek is there.
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So you think that acid rain is a good thing...generally, and nothing to do with Bermuda shorts?
Wow.
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now why are you bringing shorts into this discussion? :D
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What would the hurricane season be like next year if we all slit our throats this afternoon?
Would the elimination of the human race stop the globe from warming?
here's a hint...
ITS THE SUN STUPID
lazs
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Originally posted by storch
now why are you bringing shorts into this discussion? :D
You are like a little child Storch...honestly.
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All it takes is one hurricane on your front door to make it a bad season. Out here in Minnesota, we've never had a bad hurricane season, those tools at NOAA have no clue, apparently.
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
All it takes is one hurricane on your front door to make it a bad season. Out here in Minnesota, we've never had a bad hurricane season, those tools at NOAA have no clue, apparently.
:rofl as always gainsie manages put things all into perspective.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I can't answer as to what causes hurricanes or if there will be more or less of them this year or next or why that may be. Unlike your "man made global warming"... er... "scientists".. I don't even try.
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Oh, I think we all knew that already lasz.
My point is that the same people who claim they know all about global warming claim that it, and man, is the reason for increased hurricane activity.. they predict hurricane frequency based on their "models" that are also telling us that the ice caps will melt in 10 or 20 years and drown 90% of the population just before we all die of either starvation or burn to a cinder because we drive the wrong car or don't give enough money to the UN.
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Actually those are not the same people at all. People who research historical climate (the ones going over the ice cores) are not the same guys as the ones who predict hurricane frequency (I suppose that would be the meteorologists).
The ones telling you what car to drive or where to give your money are yet of a third kind, we can call them "politicians" or "activists".
Complicated stuff eh Lasz...
I am saying that... based on their current ability as scientists... they can't predict next weeks weather... they can't predict next years hurricanes and... they can't tell us when we will go into a global cooling cycle or if we will have one or not (unless they study sun spot activity of course)
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Here we get the consequences of your inability to understand the difference between different areas of science. See, we can be absolutely sure that our ice-core guys are correct when they tell us what the weather was like in the past. We can be absolutely certain that increased amounts of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere will lead to a global warming. Even the cucoo-crackpot-scientists who are on your side agree on that.
I am saying that if they predict the worst hurricane season ever... enough times that the odds are... someday they will be right.. so far tho.. the worst gambler has better luck than these scientists when it comes to predicting doom and gloom.
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Actually they are not saying "this will be the worst hurricane season ever" what they are saying is "the likelyhood of extreme weather condition increases".
And they are proven right since extreme weather is far more often occurring now than earlier. You can get dozens, even hundreds of examples of that only in the past few years.
And like I have shown with my question that you still havent tried to answer...they are correct. We KNOW that surface temperature is a factor when it comes to hurricane strength. We also KNOW that the average surface temperature of the ocean is increasing. These two known facts means that the likelyhood of stronger hurricanes have increased.
I say they don't have the ability. It's time to take a look behind the curtain for some of you acolytes.
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Id say that your credibility to question or even comment on any sort of scientific argument is too low for anyone to really pay any attention to your statements.
so far as global warming...
ITS THE SUN STUPID
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See above.
so far as predicting long term weather? get a farmers almanac.. they do better.
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See above.
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Originally posted by storch
surface water temperature is indeed one of the factors which directly affect hurricane strength.
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Indeed. One interesting point to note here is that this one sentence of yours is the only thing in your post that is relevant to my question. You are also avoiding the second part of my question, and the conclusions to be drawn from it. Instead we get...
I was reading an article written by lonnie thompson a glaciologist with ohio state university and possibly the premier glaciologist today. thompson is documenting glacial ice in retreat in both hemispheres simultaneously. according to thompson, since 1960 the global area covered by glaciers has been reduced by approximately 5% and their volume by more than 7% or approximately 90 cubic miles. thats enough water to fill lake erie.
this water is of course cold water, near freezing cold and furthermore it is also fresh water which is far denser tha salt water. our planet's climate is controlled by the earth's water conveyor system in the great oceans. this cold water flowing into the atlantic, pacific, and indian oceans sinking to great depths threatens to disrupt the ocean conveyor system.
...this. Which is all true and frightening, but completely irrelevant to the question I was posting.
Then...after that short burst of insight and truth. We get...
some scientists believe that a partial shut down will gradually decrease the global atmospheric temperatures ushering in another mini iceage.
there is great dissention within the scientific community regarding global warming and it's potential effects. in other words the facts aren't in yet.
...lies, half-truths and crap. The facts are in...some people are desperately trying to close their eyes to those facts however.
there is wild speculation a lot of which is simply envy of the united states on the part of europeans and the availability of grant money from organizations with a one world government agenda who are not above a by any means necessary approach to accomplish their goals is driving some scientists with huge ego problems to post questionable hypothesies for their paymasters.
Here, you are just being silly. I shall not dignify it with an answer.
there is significant evidence that the global carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere are considerably higher than they were prior to the start of the industrial revolution.
LOL have you any idea how stupid it makes you look when you post this two paragraphs after you posted in other words the facts arent in yet?
But here you are correct.
according to paleoclimatologist maureen raymo of boston university water traps carbon dioxide and dissolves the gas in the atmosphere which then comes down as acid rain which then reacts with rocks to become more stable carbon compounds. with increased hurricanes comes increased rain which more rapidly increases the catalyzation of atmospheric CO2 into acid rain which could actually bring about global cooling and more iceages.
here are but two examples of global warming creating the conditions which will usher in global cooling down the road. these swings in global temperatures are documented in those great timecapsules called glaciers. core samples from glaciers from both hemispheres document that the earth has wild swings in temperature.
True. What you fail to take into consideration though is that everything you see around you right now in terms of human civilization is built in THIS climate. Change the climate, and you pull out the rug from under this civilization of ours.
personally I see no reason why we should halt our economy allowing the chinese and the indians to catch up because some europeans and american liberal one worldists say so.
Who has said anything about halting the economy?
the use of alternative methods for fueling our societies will be developed just as soon as we consume all the fossil fuels on the planet.
now excuse me as I fire up my my 13mpg SUV for a drive into my greenhouse gas producing shop so that I can earn a living.
And here you eloquently tell us why it is completely pointless to discuss this topic with you.
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Originally posted by Curval
So, acid rain is a good thing I suppose?
:rolleyes:
Acid rain is not necessarily related to global warming. It IS related to the amount of sulphur that is released into the atmosphere. Sulphur when heated is very reactive with water bonding to it and creating sulphuric acid, hence the acid rain situation. That is something that was very common in the 70's and is far less so now.
C'mon, the mantra today is green house gases, not sulphur. Get with it. :huh
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Originally posted by Hortlund
See, we can be absolutely sure that our ice-core guys are correct when they tell us what the weather was like in the past. We can be absolutely certain that increased amounts of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere will lead to a global warming. Even the cucoo-crackpot-scientists who are on your side agree on that.
Debatable. A major source of atmospheric CO2 is coming from melting permafrost (think Siberia). The increased CO2 in this case is the result of warming, not the cause.
they are proven right since extreme weather is far more often occurring now than earlier. You can get dozens, even hundreds of examples of that only in the past few years.
Another debatable "fact". Extreme weather occurs more frequently now than when exactly? Last year? Ten years ago? 100 years ago? REPORTING of extreme weather is up but that doesn't prove the numbers are up and even if they are what does that mean? Many "extreme"weather conditions that are regularly reported now would probably not even be observed even as short as 50 years ago (i.e, before weather satellites) so there is no way of accurately making the claim you do. For instance, there have been numerous hurricane/tropical storm seasons over the past 150 years where the counted storms were almost as high as the past five years but we also didn't have the modern storm tracking systems we have now so how many went unreported? Same for tornados. Wide coverage by doppler radar means we detect far more of the tornados than before, that doesn't mean there are more.
What you're saying is similar to past crime reporting. In the 1990's reporting of violent crime in the US skyrocketed 800% while the violent crime rate dropped 40%. If all you did was read the headlines you'd think the US was going to hell. Same thing now. Someone has a tornado or doesn't have snow and the next thing you hear is some breathless proclamation by some numbnuts that it's proof of man-made global warming. A lot of this is driven by the 24hour news cycle and a lot by the small scope of human experience and imagination.
We also KNOW that the average surface temperature of the ocean is increasing. These two known facts means that the likelyhood of stronger hurricanes have increased.
Again, another debatible fact. We may have observed some rise in average surface temperatures but we also know that the average surface temperature constantly varies. The past two years have shown a decline in average surface temps. By the definition of "average," in some years the temps will be higher and in others lower than average. What do we make of that? It's the same for droughts, snowfall, and other weather effects but the Global Warmingists want things both ways. If a summer is hotter than "normal" it's global warming. If the winter is colder than "normal" it's global warming. Trying to take some observations over a few years or even decades and then declaring a global trend is absolute nonsense when you're talking about a global weather system in which trends can only be determined over the course of centuries. It's like measuring the slope of a 10 foot spot in the Alps and then claiming you know the height of the Matterhorn and the depth of the Med. The trend for the past 700 years has been warming so there are no surprises here.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
True. What you fail to take into consideration though is that everything you see around you right now in terms of human civilization is built in THIS climate. Change the climate, and you pull out the rug from under this civilization of ours.[/B]
These are the two assumptions at the bottom of the globalwarmingist theology (ignoring for now their propensity to believe that man is inherently bad for the Earth); that change can be controlled and that change is inevitably destructive. First, the only constant about the Earth is that it constantly changes, it takes enormous naivety (or perhaps vanity?) to think you can stop it. The Earth will never, ever be constant, get used to it. Second, we're not wedded to a single climate. Even now we're a unique species in that we have been able to adapt and thrive in every climate the Earth provides. We can even survive for extended periods of time under water and in space. If things cool, we'll adapt. If things warm, we'll adapt. Civilization will not end. As a matter of fact here's a good question for you. Who says that the climate as it exists now is the "best"?
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Originally posted by Mace2004
Debatable. A major source of atmospheric CO2 is coming from melting permafrost (think Siberia). The increased CO2 in this case is the result of warming, not the cause.
Actually what I said was that we are sure that an increased amount of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere leads to global warming. What you are talking about is the effect of said warming...that is the thawing of the permafrost, releasing methane into the atmosphere.
Im not really sure what you think is "debatable" here?
Another debatable "fact". Extreme weather occurs more frequently now than when exactly? Last year? Ten years ago? 100 years ago?
Ten years ago.
REPORTING of extreme weather is up but that doesn't prove the numbers are up and even if they are what does that mean?
No, its not just the reporting. By looking at historical records we can also confirm that it is more common now than 10 years ago, or 50 years ago, or how far back the reliable historical records go (depends on city/area/nation).
Many "extreme"weather conditions that are regularly reported now would probably not even be observed even as short as 50 years ago (i.e, before weather satellites) so there is no way of accurately making the claim you do.
Here you are adding your own qualifiers and then arguing against your own position. Normally that type of argument is called a strawman, and generally such type of behavior on a forum is frowned upon.
Example, yesterday it snowed in Rio de Janeiro. It is the first time that snow has been recorded there since 1918. That is an example of extreme weather.
For instance, there have been numerous hurricane/tropical storm seasons over the past 150 years where the counted storms were almost as high as the past five years but we also didn't have the modern storm tracking systems we have now so how many went unreported? Same for tornados. Wide coverage by doppler radar means we detect far more of the tornados than before, that doesn't mean there are more.
What you're saying is similar to past crime reporting. In the 1990's reporting of violent crime in the US skyrocketed 800% while the violent crime rate dropped 40%. If all you did was read the headlines you'd think the US was going to hell. Same thing now. Someone has a tornado or doesn't have snow and the next thing you hear is some breathless proclamation by some numbnuts that it's proof of man-made global warming. A lot of this is driven by the 24hour news cycle and a lot by the small scope of human experience and imagination.
Fascinating...yet completely irrelevant since you are arguing against your own strawman.
Again, another debatible fact.
LOL not really.
We may have observed some rise in average surface temperatures but we also know that the average surface temperature constantly varies.
LOL no ****? So you mean average temperature is not a constant?
The past two years have shown a decline in average surface temps. By the definition of "average," in some years the temps will be higher and in others lower than average. What do we make of that?
We note that the average surface temperature has risen. It has risen if we look at it on a 5 year scale, a 25 year scale or a 50 year scale.
It's the same for droughts, snowfall, and other weather effects but the Global Warmingists want things both ways. If a summer is hotter than "normal" it's global warming. If the winter is colder than "normal" it's global warming.
Like I said in an earlier post, the likelyhood of extreme weather increases when the climate changes. Hotter than normal summers, colder than normal winters, drier than normal droughts or wetter than normal rain-periods are all examples of that.
Trying to take some observations over a few years or even decades and then declaring a global trend is absolute nonsense when you're talking about a global weather system in which trends can only be determined over the course of centuries. It's like measuring the slope of a 10 foot spot in the Alps and then claiming you know the height of the Matterhorn and the depth of the Med. The trend for the past 700 years has been warming so there are no surprises here.
The observations we have taken span several hundred thousand years (ice cores)
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Originally posted by Mace2004
These are the two assumptions at the bottom of the globalwarmingist theology (ignoring for now their propensity to believe that man is inherently bad for the Earth); that change can be controlled and that change is inevitably destructive. First, the only constant about the Earth is that it constantly changes, it takes enormous naivety (or perhaps vanity?) to think you can stop it. The Earth will never, ever be constant, get used to it.
We can obviously change the amount of CO2 that we release into the atmosphere, since we have gone from practically nil 200 years ago, to millions of tonnes today.
Second, we're not wedded to a single climate. Even now we're a unique species in that we have been able to adapt and thrive in every climate the Earth provides. We can even survive for extended periods of time under water and in space. If things cool, we'll adapt. If things warm, we'll adapt. Civilization will not end. As a matter of fact here's a good question for you. Who says that the climate as it exists now is the "best"?
If you read more closely you will note that I said that our current civilization is based on this climate. Sure we as a species can survive a climate change, this civilization of ours can not though. It is based on some very basic stuff, like food and water. If we change the climate, areas that are now land will become sea, areas that are now fertile will become infertile, areas with access to drinking water will be without access to drinking water.
All these changes will have consequences. People living in areas that are flooded will have to move. People living in areas without food or water will have to move.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Acid rain is not necessarily related to global warming.
I never said it did. I was responding to Stich.
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Well, if you want proof the Earth is warming: When me papaw was growing up, it snowed in Knoxville every winter, and very much. It was on the ground most of the year. We actually had white Christmases. Now, we usually start getting cold weather aboot January, and maybe one rarely two snows a year. These usually last one day or less, and are maybe and inch deep. I can see that the Earth is warming. I can also see that the global climate is changing. Just from the last 50 years. I know that many species have went extinct in that amount of time. Is this not sending up red flags? Many of these species have went away due to habitat loss, and a few due to non native species. But many have gone because of unknown reasons, and we have found now that some of those reasons are warmer temperatures, causing many processes to change. Global warming is occuring, and as it occurs, it gets faster. The reason being stated above, the permafrosts melting, releasing methane and CO2, and it gets warmer, melting more permafrosts, releasing more gases, and it continues in this way. But humans are contributing to these affects by adding more CO2 from the fuels we burn, and making these changes occur dramatically faster. Is global warming occuring? Yes, it is. Is this extremely evident? Not yet, but it will become more so as time goes on, and very soon. Even the scientists who once denounced global warming are beleiving it now, just as everybody with some sense and the ability to think are.
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mcfarland... there was a 30 odd year period of global cooling from 1940 to 1976 or so... at the time it was the consensus of "scientists" that we were headed for an ice age by the year 2000.. this was a "man made" ice age (of course) and caused by particulates in the air.
either the scientists didn't/don't know as much as they claim or... we humans have done the right thing and averted this ice age disaster.
Your dad may have been experiancing this unusual cooling. The suns activity changes and as it changes so does the global climate. It seems to be in about 37 year cycles... we are about due for a cooling trend brought on by lowered solar activity
your children will be worried about scientists predictions of the new "man made global cooling" and call everyone who doesn't believe it a fool because their paw told them of how there was hardly ever any snow in knoxville and that now it is snow everywhere.
When bird went to the north pole a lot of the area that is now covered with ice was barren.
I think you are being duped. I think that it is always a good idea to not pollute any more than need be but to think that we can change the climate of the globe is arrogant in the extreme.
hell.. we don't even know if butter is good for us or bad for us.
we can't even put out a forest fire and we can't predict next weeks weather.
lazs
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If people are the cause of global warming, who is responsible for the numerous ice and warming ages before industrial man came about?
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Originally posted by Maverick
If people are the cause of global warming, who is responsible for the numerous ice and warming ages before industrial man came about?
Heretic. :t
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Originally posted by Maverick
If people are the cause of global warming, who is responsible for the numerous ice and warming ages before industrial man came about?
That's easy. Past Global Warming and Global Cooling was Natural, and I wasn't around to cause it. Now that I'm enlightened and aware of my surroundings, I can see that I am the cause of the current crisis.
If I can't be in control of my surroundings, then I am afraid. It's in my nature to be in control - I don't want to be afraid all the time. In fact, not being able to contol things makes me really no better than the ignorant beasts below me. I'm darn smart and should be able to figure out and fix, or explain away, any problem that comes my way. And if I can't figure something out, then in the end, someone has to take the blame. Heaven forbid that things happen and I can't figure out the reason. There's got to be a reason for everything, and in the end, every trail will lead back to me.
Not that I'm egocentric or anything. Not that I enjoy spreading guilt.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Actually what I said was that we are sure that an increased amount of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere leads to global warming. What you are talking about is the effect of said warming...that is the thawing of the permafrost, releasing methane into the atmosphere.
Im not really sure what you think is "debatable" here?
[/b]What's debatable is cause and effect. In most historical records it appears that CO2 rises during or after a global warming trend is identified. It doesn't precede the change. In other words, there's absolutely no indication that increased CO2 (or other "greenhouse" gasses) caused the change.
Ten years ago.
I believe you're being facitious as 10 years is an infinently tiny amount of time compared to global climate cycles.
No, its not just the reporting. By looking at historical records we can also confirm that it is more common now than 10 years ago, or 50 years ago, or how far back the reliable historical records go (depends on city/area/nation).
"Reliable historical records" is reporting. Again, consider what you call "reliable" reports. Things such as differences between a weather station report now and it's historical reporting can be misleading. For instance, many reporting stations in the New York area were originally in the country far from the city. Now, due to expansion they are actually in built-up areas and it has been well known for many years that built-up areas produce heat islands which distort the "historical" reporting. Even so, this doesn't get to the point now does it? The global climate is getting warmer, this data does nothing at all to prove that man is the cause (with the exception that it does prove the existance of man-made heat islands"). Besides, if you really want to go back to historical records check out what the Vikings said about Greenland when they first populated it. It was actually green, they had farms and a thriving community there...of course until the Little Ice Age covered Greenland with a sheet of ice.
Here you are adding your own qualifiers and then arguing against your own position. Normally that type of argument is called a strawman, and generally such type of behavior on a forum is frowned upon.
Now there's a load of non-sense if ever I saw one. There is neither a false or exagerated fact in my statement. The statement is qualified by the use of the word "probably" because there is no absolute proof, it's just a likely and logical supposition based upon the facts as we know them at this time. This is something you globalwarminologists don't seem to understand since anything you claim is proof becomes "fact" and anything you deem to be a "fact" is proof. The Earth is warming. Man creates CO2, ergo, man is creating global warming. False logic such as this is a common technique on your part. Oh, and please follow your own rules of the forum before foolishly trying to detract from the discussion with your accusations.
Example, yesterday it snowed in Rio de Janeiro. It is the first time that snow has been recorded there since 1918. That is an example of extreme weather.
It snowed in Tampa in the late 1970's probably for the first time in a century also and it was hardly "extreme". Your own inability to follow the logic of your own facts is wonderful. Did it ever occur to you that your own statement demonstrates that the recent snow in Rio proves this is a non-sensical argument FOR man-made climate change? I'll help you out....it snowed in Rio in 1918. Does that help?
Fascinating...yet completely irrelevant since you are arguing against your own strawman.
As I already mentioned, perhaps you should look up the meaning of the word "strawman". What you really mean to say is that you have no intelligent answer so you'll just attempt to attack the credibility of the other person.
LOL no ****? So you mean average temperature is not a constant?
Given the lack of quality in your argument I believe I was correct in pointing out what should have been an obvious fact to most of us since you are apparently unaware of it.
We note that the average surface temperature has risen. It has risen if we look at it on a 5 year scale, a 25 year scale or a 50 year scale.
Just as we would expect given that the planet, on average (yeah...there's that word again) has been warming for 700 years. This of course is based on the record of multiple centuries, not a 5, 25 or even 50 year scale.
Like I said in an earlier post, the likelyhood of extreme weather increases when the climate changes. Hotter than normal summers, colder than normal winters, drier than normal droughts or wetter than normal rain-periods are all examples of that.
Please quote your sources that prove all this. Given the indisputable fact that the press and globalwarmingologists favor hysteria over a calm and deliberative study please don't use press reports, especially when they use quotes from globalwarmingologists.
The observations we have taken span several hundred thousand years (ice cores)
And all that they prove is that the Earth both warms and cools. There is nothing at all unique in the ice cores relative to this warming period as compared to others with the exception that they have proven that rapid and drastic changes in the Earth's climate can, and have occurred. Of course, one of those inconvienient facts is that those rapid and drastic changes occured before the industrial revolution. Actually, the large scale drastic change that have occured happened before you can identify a civilization of man. Hard to see how there's any evidence there that proves that man "did it", seems just the opposite to me but then I'm not hysterical (although you have had me laughing a few times).
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Originally posted by Hortlund
classic euro rant applicable to any topic[/B]
there is nothing to debate sir. you guys are wrong as you usually are.
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no opinion either way but here is another report.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6290228.stm
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hortlund... of course you and I know there are different areas of science but do the scientists?
It seems that so many with no background in climate are telling us that we are facing a man made global warming.
I have no problem with meteoroligists claiming they can predict the weather.. I have a problem when they claim the changes are due to man made global warming.
You seem to have no problem with most of the scientists who claim to know man is changeing the global climate not being scientists in the field of climate change in the first place.
It is one thing to say it is hotter or colder this year..even to say that some parts are warmer of colder or that some events are more frequent or less so than at other times.
It is quite another thing to say that you know man is causing it or that you have a solution that we can do to change a trend.
But... I think you know that. I think you are just being evasive and clutching at straws.
lazs
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Now here's (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/4958493.html) a news report that actually seems somewhat balanced although it's still flawed in one aspect which I'll cover at the end. The article presents both "sides" by allowing for a fairly significant dissenting view. It's interesting in that the article provides a bit of perspective, perspective that is seriously lacking in the climate discussion.
Just as an addendum to the article here's some additional info. Despite claims that hurricanes are more powerful now than in the past there is a long record of strong hurricanes. At landfall the 1900 storm was a Cat 4, the 1926 Miami hurricane was Cat 4, and the 1915 Galveston hurricane was Cat 3. All were extremely destructive but the press tends to distort the big picture because it likes to focus on the monitary damages. It's virtually inevitable that each major storm appears greater than the last because they caused more damage. Well, this study provides a little perspective on that.
Also, there have been three cat 5 hurricanes that hit the US in the 20th century. The Labor Day hurricane of 1935 (strongest ever to hit the US), Camile in 1969 and then Andrew in 1992. Katrina was only a cat 3. Also, lest we forget, these are just some of the hurricanes that hit the continental US (again, the categories are when they made landfall). The Great Hurricane of 1780 hit the Lesser Antiles. It killed 22,000 people and modern studies of it have concluded that it had sustained winds of 200mph. Here's another nice "extreme" weather event for you that is really scary. How about the 1908 hurricane which happened in MARCH. Both of these are early enough to preclude any cause related to man-made global warming. Can you imagine how apoplectic our globalwarmingologists would be if we had another hurricane so far out of hurricane season??? My god, if we can't shut them up now what would we do then? It would be portrayed as the Holy Grail of globalwarmingism, proof positive that man is so stupid (evil?) that Gia is striking back.
So, what's the fault in this article? It refers only to "global warming" in the discussion. The globalwarmingologists equate "global warming" (a natural occurance and, by all indications a fact) with "man-made global warming" (a theory that is not a fact). These are not the same thing.
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The thing aboot it is, the thing with global warming isn't just the severity of the storm, it's also the frequency at which they occur. More severe storms are occuring more often. Doesn't mean they will occur every year, doesn't mean they will do as much damage, but they will begin to grow more commonplace. Not just hurricanes, but other storms as well. Predicting them will still be hard, and knowing what the next hurricane season will be like will still be hard, but the occurance will be more often, maybe not every yea, maybe not every decade, but they will occur more often. Large scale hurricanes used to be a once in a lifetime thing, but I've already seen two in me lifetime, and there will probably be more.