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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Halo on July 06, 2007, 01:38:36 PM
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How many of you firearms enthusiasts find yourself reverting now and then to single shot simplicity? The light dawned on me when I bought a little Rogue Chipmunk .22 rifle, single shot bolt action, for my granddaughters to use.
While sighting it in I got hooked on its elegance. One shot. Hit or miss. Pleasantly slow methodical pace. Max return on each shot.
Easy to transport, handle, and clean. Ultra reliable. No uncertainties about feeding or ejection or complicated mechanisms.
Always wanted to try an Accu-Trigger, so bought a Savage Model I-G .22 single shot bolt action as a big brother to the Chipmunk. Both rifles are elegant simplicity.
Got reminded of two other shooting basics: even iron sights are challenging to zero in, and different ammo can make a big difference. Investigating low noise low velocity ammo for the Chipmunk, I wound up testing the following in both rifles:
Remington .22 Short (no data on box except high velocity),
CCI Short (710 fps) 29-grain lead round nose,
CCI CB Long (710 fps) 29-grain lead round nose,
CCI Subsonic HP LR (1050 fps), 40-grain lead hollow point.
Comparing these to the usual CCI Mini-Mag LR I shoot, either 36-grain HP copper coated (1260 fps) or 40-grain copper plated round nose (1235 fps), I quickly discovered some significant variations.
Some of the subsonic slower stuff seemed more accurate, and most wanted to cluster in different places. I shot bench rest iron sights at 25 yards with spotter scope, but even then I was so surprised by the different results that I'll go do this a couple more times before deciding on optimum loads for the two guns.
For most .22 shooting, I prefer the CCI high velocity 36-grain copper plated hollow point. Seems to do everything reasonably well in terms of oomph and accuracy.
I still like semi-automatics but the single shots are a good change of pace. How about you? How much single shot shooting do you do?
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Double post complexity?
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That was part of the reason I started hunting with a black powder rifle. Also a bit of a history nostalgia and a significant challenge compared to center fire scoped rifle hunting.
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I've got a Ruger Model 1 in .375 H&H Mag. Don't get to shoot it very often since ammo is rather expensive. The rifle shoots dead on at 200 yrds. It is a lever action, drop breach single shot rifle. Only reason I got it was because a friend was selling it when he got divorced. I picked it up for $500 so I got a real good deal on it.
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(quote) Double post complexity? (unquote)
Yeah. Good thing my keyboard isn't a gun. I'm always firing before I'm ready.
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Originally posted by Halo
(quote) Double post complexity? (unquote)
Yeah. Good thing my keyboard isn't a gun. I'm always firing before I'm ready.
:rofl
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i dont think there is one gun i dont like to shoot..hehe i got a few single shots..some auto's..a few bolt actions...some pumps...and 4 black powder guns...i enjoy them all:)
single shot is a good change of pace...saves ammo too..lol...i still got my grampa's single shot he got down south when he was a kid..its a 1930's 22 long barrel rem...that thing is dead on...i still take it out when im wanting to save some money..lol..cause when im out of the main stuff i can pick that gun up and shoot for pennies..lol..i have a old rolling block savage 22 also.<~~my first gun...i still enjoy shooting it.
the black powders are a ton of fun..i specialy like the pistols..i got a colt dragoon and a 44 rem new army...love the thud they make and the puff of smoke every time you shoot..they allways turn a head when you lite them off..lol
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A bow is the best single shot i have ever used.
Never understood why people use black powder. Most modern black powder rifle can shoot 1inch groups at 100 yrds.
Bows today have come along way. No need to pull heavy 80 pound monsters when 60 is more than adequate.
Best part is that you can practice all day in your back yard. I have 20 yrd 30 yrd and a 55 long bomb set up for practice.
Only draw back is the cost. A new bow rigged out will be over 1k.
I have not shot a deer with a rifle for 6 years.
I do have a single shot 410 for snakes. Someone cut off the barrel long time ago and it was 1/8 inch from being legal. I did some welding and made it legal with 1/2 of a inch to spare.. No need for any problems with the law is a rule at my house.
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Single shot's fine if there's only one zombie or you can reload really fast. ;)
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I like all firearms. Modern black powder guns not so much tho... they are ugly and fake and.. well.. cheating.. they get to hunt early with a gun that is more accurate and no more trouble to learn and use than a 30-30... certainly no less leathal than an old H&R 30-30 single shot or some of the ruger singles in the less powerful calibers.
I like the reproduction black powder guns tho... just not the ones used to cheat at hunting. They are not even interesting guns to me. useless except to cheat at hunting... I think they ruin the spirit of black powder hunting.
I never hunted with black powder tho except with a real 1858 remington shooting jackrabits.. Lots of fun.
I am not a fan of 22 rifles much tho... shot a lot of em learning but have lost interest in em.
lazs
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(quote) I am not a fan of 22 rifles much tho... shot a lot of em learning but have lost interest in em. (quote)
I know what you mean. I may be willing myself to renewed interest in .22s. Usually lighter, cheaper ammo, but the psst and pfft and snap crackle pop with wee kick are not nearly as satisfying as a gun that goes BANG with a respectable recoil.
Hmmm, I sense another thread coming ...
Of course I'm doing those mainly for easy safe back deck firing at the farm with granddaughters.
When I was firing my .22 rifles, I was flanked by an M4 .223 and some kind of M16-like .308 on a bipod. Woooooo, much more serious shooting.
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(QUOTE))
Investigating low noise low velocity ammo for the Chipmunk, I wound up testing the following in both rifles [Chipmunk and Savage I-G]:
Remington .22 Short (no data on box except high velocity),
CCI [CB]Short (710 fps) 29-grain lead round nose,
CCI CB Long (710 fps) 29-grain lead round nose,
CCI Subsonic HP LR (1050 fps), 40-grain lead hollow point.
Comparing these to the usual CCI Mini-Mag LR I shoot, either 36-grain HP copper coated (1260 fps) or 40-grain copper plated round nose (1235 fps), I quickly discovered some significant variations.
Some of the subsonic slower stuff seemed more accurate, and most wanted to cluster in different places. I shot bench rest iron sights at 25 yards with spotter scope, but even then I was so surprised by the different results that I'll go do this a couple more times before deciding on optimum loads for the two guns.
For most .22 shooting, I prefer the CCI high velocity 36-grain copper plated hollow point. Seems to do everything reasonably well in terms of oomph and accuracy.
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Replicated this test today at the outdoor firing range. Most of the Chipmunk shots were nullified because I didn't get the Chipmunk sights properly aligned until late.
However, the Savage I-G performed like a champ with all the ammo. For me, the Remington Short and CCI CB Short were a little more accurate than the CCI CB Long and the CCI Subsonic HP. The CCI 40-gr Round Nose was maybe a hair more accurate than the CCI 36-gr HP, and both were about as accurate as the most accurate Shorts.
These were 25 yards benchrest. All are better ammo than I am a marksman.
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This is my single shot 22:
(http://www.remington.com/images/library/history/models/m540%5B1%5D.jpg)
With a 3X9 scope
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Just outta curiosity, I've been trying to figure out what exactly the .22 I grew up on is, it looks like this:
http://www.henryrepeating.com/h003tm_pumpoctagon.cfm
(http://www.henryrepeating.com/images/rifles/h003t_pumpoctagon_lg.jpg)
But it is stamped as being made by Browning in Belgium (1920-something).
My father has it at the moment otherwise I'd post a pic.
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Eskimo, is that the Rogue Chipmunk target model?
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Originally posted by Halo
Eskimo, is that the Rogue Chipmunk target model?
"The gun in the foreground is Diane's Remington 540XR. Remington quit making these rifles in 1983. I feel very lucky to have been able to get hold of two of them. I think they are one of the best entry level target rifles made. They have a heavy 3 position stock that works well for benchrest with an adjustable butt plate. Each rifle has an adjustable trigger and a grooved receiver for tip-off mounts and a heavy target barrel."
(http://members.aol.com/postmark92/OurGuns.jpg)
http://members.aol.com/postmark92/540xr.htm
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My first gun was a New England single shot .410. I wish I still had it. Think I might pick one up some day just for nostalgia sake, and it's a nice fun gun for beginners/girls.
FX, do you have any archery clubs near you that put on 3D/broadhead shoots in the summer? They are an absolute blast and a good way to get practice in more realistic situations. I haven't shot my bow in probably 10 years, but I think I might have to dust it off and go blast some carp.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Just outta curiosity, I've been trying to figure out what exactly the .22 I grew up on is, it looks like this:
http://www.henryrepeating.com/h003tm_pumpoctagon.cfm
(http://www.henryrepeating.com/images/rifles/h003t_pumpoctagon_lg.jpg)
But it is stamped as being made by Browning in Belgium (1920-something).
My father has it at the moment otherwise I'd post a pic.
This one Vulcan?
(http://i2.ediy.co.nz/48810.jpg)
It's a Browning pump action .22 at Gun City (http://www.guncity.co.nz/xurl/pageid/10927/function/prodlist/style/thumb/grpid/9618/content.html) and can be yours for only $599. Gun City are a little pricey but those rifles are still popular and have appreciated in value. Quality doesn't age.
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Eskimo, here's why I thought your gun might be a Rogue Chipmunk Target Model:
http://www.topratedadventures.com/Mfg/RogueRifle.htm
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(QUOTE) Some of the subsonic slower stuff seemed more accurate, and most wanted to cluster in different places. I shot bench rest iron sights at 25 yards with spotter scope, but even then I was so surprised by the different results that I'll go do this a couple more times before deciding on optimum loads for the two guns. (UNQUOTE)
(QUOTE) Replicated this test today at the outdoor firing range. Most of the Chipmunk shots were nullified because I didn't get the Chipmunk sights properly aligned until late. (UnQUOTE)
Well, DUH, the Rogue Chipmunk is .22 Long Rifle ONLY! Read the manual, huh? It's up front in the ad and all descriptions too. Duh duh duh.
No wonder its shots were way off in Long and Short shells.
But I'm still mystified. Whoda thunk any single shot bolt action .22 would not accept all types of .22 ammo?
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yep.. if it looked like the top one it is a model 90 Winchester if it looked like the other one it is a model 60 Winchester or a clone like the browning.
lazs
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Just to keep the record straight and acknowledge my previous idiotic post, the Rogue Chipmuck single shot bolt action, while advertised as a .22 LR, of course accepts S and LR too. I tried to delete that post but the webmaster site would not accept my e-mail.
Tempting to just let it slide, but gotta fess up when I take another stupid pill.
The Chipmunk still shoots CC CB Long and CB Short so erratically it flumoxed me for two sessions a week apart. My Savage I-G in contrast handles all types of ammo commendably.
Because the Chipmunk still shoots LR fine (I use CCI Mini-Mag), I'll keep it although I won't degrade its accuracy with L or S even though I'd like the milder noise and recoil for the grandkids.
I've reported the issue to Rogue customer service and asked them for what their tests show is the best ammo for the Chipmunk.
When I returned the rest of the L and S ammo I bought, the expert clerk talked me into trying 11 varities of .22 LR to pinpoint what both the Chipmunk and Savage I-G like best.
I am a true masochist. :confused:
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Originally posted by Excel1
This one Vulcan?
It's a Browning pump action .22 at Gun City (http://www.guncity.co.nz/xurl/pageid/10927/function/prodlist/style/thumb/grpid/9618/content.html) and can be yours for only $599. Gun City are a little pricey but those rifles are still popular and have appreciated in value. Quality doesn't age.
Yeah thats it, lovely little rifle, offluffied a few rabits and possums with it.
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Originally posted by Geary420
My first gun was a New England single shot .410. I wish I still had it. Think I might pick one up some day just for nostalgia sake, and it's a nice fun gun for beginners/girls.
FX, do you have any archery clubs near you that put on 3D/broadhead shoots in the summer? They are an absolute blast and a good way to get practice in more realistic situations. I haven't shot my bow in probably 10 years, but I think I might have to dust it off and go blast some carp.
No i am no archer (: I like to have fun in my back yard but i really do have problems with the bow. I can hit a coffee can out to 50 yards but i don't stack them in like my friends.
We practice today and i felt pretty good. We were shooting 45 yards dropping them in. In the summer we get 10 shots in a day. When the season roles around your shooting really good. Good yearly training and its fun with you buddies.
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There are two single shots I would like to have. One would be a Ruger #1 in something like 25-06. The other would be a replica of the one in Quigley Down Under in 45-110. That is a Sharps, actually the Shilo Sharps made in Wyoming is the one I want though a bit pricey at $3041. They made the three that were used in the movie.
Mark
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Guy next to me at the outdoor range fired a 45-110 the other day. Long gun with a lotta smoke.
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other would be a replica of the one in Quigley Down Under in 45-110.
cool gun..we use to have a 45/70 sharps and they got a nice 45/120 down at my local gun store. its a uberti or some repo i think..for about 1500 or less.. but its a nice gun for a repo.
my brother still has a custard special springfield carbine 45/70 trap door..thats a fun gun to shoot:) i wish i could get it out of his hands..lol
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One of the most accurate and cheapest single shots is also one that has been on the market the longest.. the HR handyrifle of some such.. they are very rugged and accurate and no frills. they very much look like the same companies single shot shotgun.
I had one of the shotguns in 20 guage that I gave to my son.
lazs
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The Chipmunk still shoots CC CB Long and CB Short so erratically it flumoxed me for two sessions a week apart. My Savage I-G in contrast handles all types of ammo commendably.
Because the Chipmunk still shoots LR fine (I use CCI Mini-Mag), I'll keep it although I won't degrade its accuracy with L or S even though I'd like the milder noise and recoil for the grandkids.
I've reported the issue to Rogue customer service and asked them for what their tests show is the best ammo for the Chipmunk.
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The reply reports Rogue Rifle Co. started in Oregon, was sold to a couple guys in Idaho, then this April the Chipmunk product line was bought by the Pennsylvania company that makes the Davey Crickett competitor.
The reply suggested I phone the Crickette repair technician, which I did. He was very helpful, noting that they use Federal .22 LR HP 36-gr for most of their testing, and have found it clean shooting and accurate.
He said if shoot a lot Shorts, power residue can build up (I found the same thing shooting .38 in .357 revolver). He said they've noticed case swelling in some .22 brands, but not Federal.
So basically the idea is generally get better results in the long run from shooting the longest case ammo for any chamber. Makes sense to me.