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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Beltfed5 on July 08, 2007, 04:51:29 PM
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I have DSL but my variance in delay is looking like a mountain range. I'm running Vista as well on a new AMD 4000+ x2. Just curious if there is anything I can so, I am really warpy ATM.
Thanks!
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The variance shifts like that have to do with your CPU going off and having to do other thiings. Vista has a very high number of background processes and threads it runs, and this takes a lot more CPU power than XP took to maintain the same level of playability.
If you are running the Aero desktop, shut it down. That will make a pretty good difference as that not only frees up CPU, but it also frees up RAM.
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It seems that the reworked network stack has introduced some yet unsolved general problems in Vista networking. I'm seeing a lot of reports of hanging downloads, slow network speeds and other anomalies related to Vista.
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Yeah, there certainly is a crapload of background processes running on my system, I'll try disabling some of them. Thanks.
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So pretty much Vista is like running 25 copies of Bonzi Buddy at once, right? :lol
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Just in threads alone. XP Pro had about 220 in a normally cleaned up system. I managed to get Vista down to around 430 threads.
On XP Pro, it was pretty trivial to it down to about 19 processes. On Vista Ultimate I managed to get them down to 38.
My guess is OEM's such as HP/Compaq have around 80 processes running as default in Vista.
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A DELL OEM my sister bought had about 70+ processes as default. Even trimming heavily I still couldn't get much below the mid-40s.
We ended up wiping it and installing XP.
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Dell usually comes in a bit lower on process count than HP/Compaq.
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I was fighting with a HP Vista laptop just today. It had only 75 processes running at bootup.
Got to love UAC popping up when renaming icons etc.. Not to mention HP Vista installs default with user not having ownership to the folders. So in order to do anything you first need to locate the hidden folder options, switch off simple file sharing, go through extra steps to regain ownership and then you can set rights to the folders.
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75 is not as bad as it could have been, but still outrageous.
Also, the file owndership problem seems to be a general problem with Vista. I had the same exact problem with my OEM version of Vista Ultimate. I had to manually go through and find the folders and change the ownership.
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I just bought an HP business laptop for my wife. I got the business version so I could still get XP Pro instead of Vista. But even that has 53 processes running at boot on an almost fresh machine.
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That's not bad for HP. They usually have 65 processes in an XP machine.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Just in threads alone. XP Pro had about 220 in a normally cleaned up system. I managed to get Vista down to around 430 threads.
On XP Pro, it was pretty trivial to it down to about 19 processes. On Vista Ultimate I managed to get them down to 38.
My guess is OEM's such as HP/Compaq have around 80 processes running as default in Vista.
Well, I did better than that. I got them down to 24 i think. Nothing will help.
Dual boot XP was th eonly fix for it
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Try disabling IPv6 that has caused some people network trouble in Vista.
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I keep forgetting about IPv6.
dedalos, unfortunately, every computer configuration acts wildly different under Vista. That is a major source of frustration for anyone dealing with support for it.
On my box, Aces High II is stable and the frame rates, while not as good as with XP, are not too bad. Swap any component or driver and the whole system will probably become unstable.
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How would I disable IP6? Still having a miserable time with Vista and lag here...
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I found IP6 and killed it, updated my network card drivers, disabled my firewall... No luck yet, still warping all over the place. It's a new Compaq comp if that sheds any light.
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Have you cleaned up the background proccesses? See the "Technical Support" forum. There is a sticky about Vista himts and tips. It is not complete, by any stretch of the imagination, and you are on you own if you decide to try and clean up the background processes.
If you do not try and clean up the background processes, your computer will need 2GB of RAM, at a minimum to run the game without swapping much. But the game will never play smoothly, even with that. There is nothing we can do to make it play smoothly on Vista if anyone insists on having it run all othe background processes it comes stock with.
Vista simply has too much overhead to run the flight simulation smoothly. I say there is nothing we can do. I guess we could dumb down the flight model and reduce the graphics level. Take a step backwards about 5 or 6 years years until hardware gets fast enough again to run Vista as fast as hardware can run XP today.
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I have 2 GB of RAM, plus a Nvidia 8800 GT card with 256 MB of VRAM. I can run the game itself great, all detail maxed at 1600x1050 resolution and I get 60+ FPS. No need to go back to AH1, I like the new graphics :).
For me the problem is all network. I tried ending background tasks, got it down to about 10 processes. As far as the services, I haven't tried messing with that, will give it a try though. I'm wondering if it is just my new ISP here in Ohio. My netstat can be relatively stable for 10+ seconds sometimes, then it starts generating the random mountain peaks again. Should I try pinging the server maybe?
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If the 'Variance' is spiking up and down it is due to the CPU going off to run other things not related to the game. Now, this could be coming from the Internet in the form of a DOS attack.
Or if you are on cable it is more than likely someone in your neighborhood, on your Class C, not having thier network setup correctly and it keeps probing your computer to see if it will answer to file and printer sharing.
Of course, you computer should not answer as it will have a different workgroup name because you changed it when you installed the computer on the network, right?
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All hail skuzzy and his infinite wisdom. Seriously, if you wern't here to help people I don't know what would happen.
PS My variance spikes like it's its god given right also belt, but then again I have Norton....:cry
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Anyone running vista needs to read this: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934430