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Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: georgh on July 08, 2007, 07:36:22 PM
Other than the sparsely populated early war arenas, I really don't see where the P40B/E can perform well enough to even TRY to be competetive with the La-7fest the game seems to have turned into as of late.

Now don't get me wrong, the P40B does fly well, but 2x .30's and 2x .50's isn't exactly ideal. But the E, while it does have an OK gun package, does not seem to turn well enough to be able to fight most of the "normal" planes encountered in the latewar arenas.

Now this isn't a "ong i can't kill shat in teh p30 nerfperkupgrade!!!1" type post, but rather a question: What purpouse does the P40 serve in this game beyond early war setups?
Title: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Lusche on July 08, 2007, 07:39:37 PM
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Originally posted by georgh
Other than the sparsely populated early war arenas, I really don't see where the P40B/E can perform well enough to even TRY to be competetive with the La-7fest the game seems to have turned into as of late.
 


It may seem so to you, but LA7 usage hasn't much changed at all.


And the point of flying a P40 or similar EW planes in LW?
Having fun. There is quite a number of people flying EW planes either as a mainstay or for an occasional ride.
If you gained some skill in this game, flyin EW crates may give you a bit of a challenge back. You need to work a bit harder, you need to develop a much more than average SA to stay alive.
Also the P40E is not that bad at all, but I leave commenting on it's specific strenghts to the people that do fly it regulary.
Title: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Bronk on July 08, 2007, 07:40:06 PM
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Originally posted by georgh
Other than the sparsely populated early war arenas, I really don't see where the P40B/E can perform well enough to even TRY to be competetive with the La-7fest the game seems to have turned into as of late.

Now don't get me wrong, the P40B does fly well, but 2x .30's and 2x .50's isn't exactly ideal. But the E, while it does have an OK gun package, does not seem to turn well enough to be able to fight most of the "normal" planes encountered in the latewar arenas.

Now this isn't a "ong i can't kill shat in teh p30 nerfperkupgrade!!!1" type post, but rather a question: What purpouse does the P40 serve in this game beyond early war setups?


Try running into filth in one and see what happens.

Bronk
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: bj229r on July 08, 2007, 07:41:42 PM
It affords you the opportunity to fly a P40 in a big horde, land a couple kills, and be worshiped
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: georgh on July 08, 2007, 07:41:58 PM
In which variant? B or E?
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Bronk on July 08, 2007, 07:46:26 PM
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Originally posted by georgh
In which variant? B or E?


I know he is effective in the E.

Bronk
Title: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Vulcan on July 08, 2007, 07:50:01 PM
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Originally posted by georgh
Now this isn't a "ong i can't kill shat in teh p30 nerfperkupgrade!!!1" type post, but rather a question: What purpouse does the P40 serve in this game beyond early war setups?


Same is any other. MA's are only for practise, the real game is in the SEA and AvA.
Title: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Viking on July 08, 2007, 07:51:08 PM
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Originally posted by georgh
What purpouse does the P40 serve in this game beyond early war setups?


Same purpose the P40 served in 1944-45: None. For all the same reasons.
Title: Re: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Lusche on July 08, 2007, 07:56:42 PM
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Originally posted by Viking
Same purpose the P40 served in 1944-45: None. For all the same reasons.


People may fly for different reasons and with different goals here than in WWII ;)
Title: Re: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: E25280 on July 08, 2007, 07:56:55 PM
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Originally posted by Bronk
Try running into filth in one and see what happens.

Bronk
Or 1Duke1.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: georgh on July 08, 2007, 08:01:09 PM
Don't get me wrong here: I love the P40. It's my favorite WW2 aircraft.

I'm just wondering what it's doing amongst all of these other planes.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Grits on July 08, 2007, 08:05:00 PM
Just like many early/mid war planes, if you know the P-40 you can beat most late war planes. If you do run into someone that really knows how to fly a late war plane (very rare) you are in trouble. The P-40 will turn very well, and like all the US planes the key is in the flaps, use them early and often.
Title: Re: Re: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Bronk on July 08, 2007, 08:07:31 PM
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Originally posted by E25280
Or 1Duke1.

Ohhh hell yea.

Bronk
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Major Biggles on July 08, 2007, 08:19:59 PM
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Originally posted by georgh
Don't get me wrong here: I love the P40. It's my favorite WW2 aircraft.

I'm just wondering what it's doing amongst all of these other planes.



because we PAY to be able to fly it. i occasionally up a 40b, and quite often a 40e, although not so much, i've been on a bit of a break.

the p40e is a monster turnfighter, especially at higher speeds, because it's combat flaps come out at 400mph. but above all, it's fun! just because a ride is 'inferior' doesn't mean you can't kick some serious lgay weenie arse.

if you're dying too much in the p40, go to the TA and get some quality time in with the advanced ACM teachers. they'll have you embarrasing all the LW dweebs in a few weeks with your mad p40 'flight model hacking' fighter skillz
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: TwinBoom on July 08, 2007, 08:27:37 PM
E is awsome low and high

B take it to 15 to 10k build energy  and bnz with it 350 aint all that slow
and converge all guns to the same point i use 375

read avg`s stories on fighting in the p40
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Carwash on July 08, 2007, 09:00:48 PM
I run across the P40 in LW.  When I do, I usually give it a little respect because there is most likely a good pilot behind the stick.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Stang on July 08, 2007, 09:21:58 PM
Oh you did not just go there...

:mad:
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: georgh on July 08, 2007, 09:25:15 PM
Well hey, it's a better use of the forums than whinign about spits and P51s and the like. I'd rather fly P40s or 110s or something I actually ENJOY flying.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Stang on July 08, 2007, 09:41:24 PM
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Originally posted by georgh
I'd rather fly P40s or 110s or something I actually ENJOY flying.
Attaboy.

:aok
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: georgh on July 08, 2007, 09:43:14 PM
Of course you're going to rape me- I haven't played AH since my trial ran out. I am considering subbing though because I really, REALLY enjoyed the game.

Or were you applauding me for not dedicating myself to planes that are percieved as "easy mode"?
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Major Biggles on July 08, 2007, 09:53:34 PM
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Originally posted by georgh
Of course you're going to rape me- I haven't played AH since my trial ran out. I am considering subbing though because I really, REALLY enjoyed the game.

Or were you applauding me for not dedicating myself to planes that are percieved as "easy mode"?



#2
Title: Re: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: SOB on July 08, 2007, 10:54:45 PM
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Same is any other. MA's are only for practise, the real game is in the SEA and AvA.

Damn I thought I smelled something.  The scent of cheap booze and sheep love always proceeds you, Vulcan.  It's good to see somethings never change.  ;)
Title: Re: Re: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Slash27 on July 08, 2007, 11:00:08 PM
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Originally posted by E25280
Or 1Duke1.



pfffft  lightweight:rolleyes:
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Widewing on July 08, 2007, 11:36:16 PM
Being successful in the P-40 requires that you master the airplane's handling characteristics.

With some E, it's extremely dangerous. It'll keep up with or run down most of the plane set in a prolonged dive. Great flaps, adequate climb with WEP (P-40E).
Just avoid flying around with full flaps for very long as it lacks the power to maintain a good rate of turn. P-40s require solid E management... Practice that. Stall departure is vicious, so learn where the limits are and tread lightly when near them. Lousy acceleration, but good ailerons and a strong rudder.

I flew it a bit last tour.. Never lost a fight and only lost 1 P-40, and that one to a collision that was my fault.

The P-40E is a 1941 vintage fighter... It does very well considering that fact.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Slash27 on July 08, 2007, 11:53:27 PM
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Originally posted by Widewing
The P-40E is a 1941 vintage fighter... It does very well considering that fact.

My regards,

Widewing



How about the P-40N WW, how does she compare with the E. I cant find my good reference book, but since you were here.:D
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: FiLtH on July 09, 2007, 12:19:25 AM
Learn how not to get hit, shoot pretty good, and have the patience to wait for it.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Rolex on July 09, 2007, 12:29:43 AM
I'm glad we have the P-40s.

They are part of lore and history.
I enjoy flying them against later model aircraft.
They are excellent learning platforms.
They have a purpose in Scenarios, events and AvA.

And, you can join the SSP40P. (Secret Society of P-40 Pilots) ;)
Title: re...p40 E
Post by: froger on July 09, 2007, 12:36:48 AM
Fly the P40 E well and its a killa.

Flaps and gas used well can beat on a bunch of birds.
  LA gets slow its toast.
Plus its fun to hear the ladies whine when they get had by a crate like that.
MAD PERKS AS WELL:rofl
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Spatula on July 09, 2007, 02:17:05 AM
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Originally posted by Slash27
How about the P-40N WW, how does she compare with the E. I cant find my good reference book, but since you were here.:D


I've asked before on the wishlists for a more up-to-date P40 like the N or later models, but the consensus was there are other aircraft which are more deserving of HTCs time. In the last HTC poll, the no P40s were even in it.

Why fly the P40? As many have said, for shear fun. Also for the challenge of it. There's nothing like landing a P40 5 kill sortie in which you bagged 2 La7s, a spit16, 190Dora, and a N1K. Period. You really have to work for the kills and keep your wits about you as you cant rely on any particular strength to save you like run away when you get into trouble - you in for the fight till someone goes down. And killin a late-war monster in a P40 is just magic.
Also you accrue perk points in it at a very fast rate in the LW arenas :D

My best is 8 kills no loss. 2nd best 21 kills to 5 losses (3.5:1). Its not always the death trap you may think.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: SteveBailey on July 09, 2007, 02:26:00 AM
I killed a 152 in a p40 yesterday.... good humor.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Viking on July 09, 2007, 02:49:22 AM
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Originally posted by Widewing
The P-40E is a 1941 vintage fighter... It does very well considering that fact.


Perhaps to some degree, but not as well as its contemporaries, the Spit V and 109F-4.
Title: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Brooke on July 09, 2007, 04:15:08 AM
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Originally posted by georgh
What purpouse does the P40 serve in this game beyond early war setups?


In addition to the main-arena aspects folks have already talked about, they are also used in some scenarios (depends on the scenario, of course).  For example, we just got done running Operation Husky, about the allied invasion of Sicily in July, 1943.  There were a lot of P-40's in that.  There were a lot of P-40's in the Rangoon, '43 scenario, too.

There were 13,000 P-40's built in WWII -- more than were produced of La-7's, F6F's, F4U's, P-38's, F4F's, and Zeros.  They were used a lot in WWII.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Citabria on July 09, 2007, 05:53:19 AM
P40 series, what's the point?

because they look pretty?

(http://www.ah-skins.com/skins/screenshot174.jpg)
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: ColKLink on July 09, 2007, 08:35:54 AM
Someone said "SHEEP"........I HEARD IT......:D
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Squire on July 09, 2007, 09:19:32 AM
Aces High isnt just about 1945 fighters, thats why.
Title: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: dedalos on July 09, 2007, 09:37:52 AM
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Originally posted by georgh
Other than the sparsely populated early war arenas, I really don't see where the P40B/E can perform well enough to even TRY to be competetive with the La-7fest the game seems to have turned into as of late.

Now don't get me wrong, the P40B does fly well, but 2x .30's and 2x .50's isn't exactly ideal. But the E, while it does have an OK gun package, does not seem to turn well enough to be able to fight most of the "normal" planes encountered in the latewar arenas.

Now this isn't a "ong i can't kill shat in teh p30 nerfperkupgrade!!!1" type post, but rather a question: What purpouse does the P40 serve in this game beyond early war setups?


That is easy to answer.  Its there for the people that want to fly it.  That is its purpouse of it.  As far as the plance turning or being able to fight most normal planes it definetly can at the right hands (see above, people who like it).  
Equal pilots equal e, yes the normal planes will win but that situation almost never arises in the MA.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: humble on July 09, 2007, 09:59:28 AM
Every plane in the game is quite capable when flown to its strengths. Obviously both pilot quality and the tactical realities effect the outcome of combat. so a P-40 outnumbered and facing superior pilots has a tough road to hoe...but a well flown P-40 can put up a good fight vs anything...
Title: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Spikes on July 09, 2007, 10:00:55 AM
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Originally posted by georgh

, but 4x .30's and 2x .50's isn't exactly ideal.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: humble on July 09, 2007, 10:25:53 AM
In fact an old clip is still on the squad site....

so here is "why" the P-40 belongs....

Write up (http://www.71sqn.co.uk/PopUps/basicangles.html)

The clip (http://www.71sqn.co.uk/Films/P40vN1ki.ahf)

Obviously for a nikki with 1500 ft and a 100 mph advantage to get beaten by a P-40B the nikki had to make a few mistakes. The nikki could have recovered this fight easily at almost anytime. Given the rather rude departure characteristics (as noted by WW) I've got the flaps hanging out which gives the nikki a spiral climb at will. One reson I liked this as a "training" clip is it combines merge stratagy (to force a type of fight), E fighting {from a neg E position} and the use of out of plane positioning to capitalize on "angular rotation" of the nose vs flying the nose via lift...all 3 shots are created from a lag to lead with the nose "falling" not flying thru.

As flit commented, to win in a P40-B (or 202 or 109E etc) you have to hit your shots. I fired 3 times and hit the nikki with all 3 shots. Total rounds expended 91 .50 (760/669) and 191 .30 (1910/1719). The amount of ammo required for a kill is much less then most people think. The gun package on the B is just fine if you actually hit the target at suitable range.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Jonny boy 8 on July 09, 2007, 10:29:05 AM
the p40 is 1 of my top 5 favorite planes in aces high, so i dont know why people hate it.

p51srule:aok
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Avenger8 on July 09, 2007, 10:29:22 AM
Some people fly the planes they admire in real life.

Avenger8
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Hades55 on July 09, 2007, 10:33:15 AM
Some people they are not here to *play*.

They are here to *Fly*.

Playing or *flying* here you can search for many what ifs.

What if p40s vs fw190s? what if spits vs p38s ? what if me109s vs zeros?

These people usually know history of wwii (and not only)

and they love planes. ( real men fly propellers:)

These people ask for more and more realism FM + ballistics.

These people ask All the planes who was flying in WWII in

every front.  Historical reasons & scenarios.

And what better way to prove (some need to) that you are better stick

when you kill lalas and spits in your p40 or your fm.

Many reasons for p40s and all EW planes to exist even in LW arenas.
Title: Re: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Gianlupo on July 09, 2007, 11:00:07 AM
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Originally posted by Bronk
Try running into filth in one and see what happens.

Bronk


Exactly my thought.
Title: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Masherbrum on July 09, 2007, 11:04:39 AM
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Originally posted by georgh
What purpouse does the P40 serve in this game beyond early war setups?
Same thing as why I pwn folks in the Ki61, which has been deemed "a POS" by the Majority of players.    :aok
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Shuffler on July 09, 2007, 12:46:07 PM
The point is it is a challenge..... and not many can fly it well. Pretty much any new pilot can get in a LA, spit or tempy and get a kill. Some enjoy using more knowlege and skill. Before anyone misconstrues my meaning.... I'm not saying those that fly the planes mentioned are dumb or skilless, just that some like a plane that requires a little more input and forethought to fly.

To all that fly, drive, and swim in AH <>

PS Even the SQUEAKERS :rofl  :rofl  :rofl

Regards
Shuff
LO 80th FS
Title: Re: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: dedalos on July 09, 2007, 01:18:26 PM
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Same thing as why I pwn folks in the Ki61, which has been deemed "a POS" by the Majority of players.    :aok


Now if HT took the time to fix the Ki and the P40 so that every single ping did not mean flap damage or a PW in the Ki, we may see some threads asking to perk those two lol
Title: Re: Re: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Masherbrum on July 09, 2007, 01:25:23 PM
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Originally posted by dedalos
Now if HT took the time to fix the Ki and the P40 so that every single ping did not mean flap damage or a PW in the Ki, we may see some threads asking to perk those two lol
:)
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Shuffler on July 09, 2007, 04:38:45 PM
I seem to have trouble with the single engine problem....  :D
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: georgh on July 09, 2007, 06:24:00 PM
Ok, another question:

How many of you have tried to use the backup sights?
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Lusche on July 09, 2007, 06:25:57 PM
I don't use sights. I dive screaming onto my target at 500mph, close my eyes and blaze away until I run out of ammo.  :D
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: georgh on July 09, 2007, 06:28:38 PM
.....You have led a horrifying life.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Widewing on July 09, 2007, 07:00:23 PM
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Originally posted by Slash27
How about the P-40N WW, how does she compare with the E. I cant find my good reference book, but since you were here.:D


The P-40N was an attempt to improve several deficiencies in the earlier models. The P-40K-10 extended tail was carried over to improve stability in the yaw axis (helped a lot with reducing ground loops). Weight was reduced via several methods, including removing two guns, aluminum oil and glycol radiators, magnesium wheels and reduced internal fuel. It received a cut-down fuselage behind the cockpit and a new canopy design to improve outward vision.

Beginning with the P-40N-15, fuel capacity and the full six gun battery was restored. Bomb racks were added under the wings for a total of three 500 lb bombs. It was clear that AAF intended to use the later P-40Ns for ground support and light attack, rather than as a front line fighter.

In the earliest P-40Ns (the -1 and -5) climb was improved, as was speed. However, the improvement wasn't much. the P-40N-20 was slower than the P-40E and didn't climb as well either. This was due to the gradual increase in weight over the N series to well over 11,000 pounds fully loaded. In field use, the P-40N was frequently fitted with a 1,000 lb bomb under the belly and two 500 lb bombs under the wings. This load-out was commonly used by the 12th AF in the MTO.

The P-40 remained in production long after better fighters were available. One reason for this (beyond politics) was that the Curtiss XP-46, XP-60 and XP-62 designs were miserable failures.

Now, to the AH2 P-40E. Our P-40E has WEP. This is unusual, because the real P-40E did not. The AH2 P-40E more closely resembles the short fuselage P-40K-5. It seems that our P-40E is actually an amalgam of several P-40 (H87) models.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: RedTop on July 09, 2007, 07:08:37 PM
Why P40's?

Ben Afleck flew it...it HAS to be great:lol
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: georgh on July 09, 2007, 07:11:43 PM
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Originally posted by RedTop
Why P40's?

Ben Afleck flew it...it HAS to be great:lol


The B anyway.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: 1K3 on July 09, 2007, 07:20:37 PM
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Originally posted by Widewing


Now, to the AH2 P-40E. Our P-40E has WEP. This is unusual, because the real P-40E did not. The AH2 P-40E more closely resembles the short fuselage P-40K-5. It seems that our P-40E is actually an amalgam of several P-40 (H87) models.

My regards,

Widewing



HTC loves to take shortcuts :)

Look at AH Bf 109G-10, the hybrid Spit IX from AH1, Fw 190A-5, a Bf 110C that has the performance of Bf 110F, etc etc.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Masherbrum on July 09, 2007, 07:44:08 PM
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Originally posted by Shuffler
I seem to have trouble with the single engine problem....  :D
If you didn't lose 38 parts often, "Anywhere, USA, wouldn't have that hard to find Allison supercharger laying around."   :D
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: georgh on July 09, 2007, 09:43:33 PM
Also, just to be clear here: I didn't say the P40 sucked, I just wanted to know why anyone would fly it against the late-war stuff. However, once I do sub I may try to make the lesser used planes like the P40 my regular rides.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Slash27 on July 09, 2007, 10:22:09 PM
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Originally posted by Citabria
P40 series, what's the point?

because they look pretty?

(http://www.ah-skins.com/skins/screenshot174.jpg)



Best P-40 skins in the game, thanks fester:aok


Thanks for the write up WW.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: FiLtH on July 10, 2007, 12:07:33 AM
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Originally posted by georgh
Also, just to be clear here: I didn't say the P40 sucked, I just wanted to know why anyone would fly it against the late-war stuff. However, once I do sub I may try to make the lesser used planes like the P40 my regular rides.



    Its the challenge. Plus the fight always comes to you. You dont worry about runners because almost everything can out run you. You cant run so you have to fight off eveything that comes. Its a tuff plane so it can take a few hits although the flaps are always the first to go. Try it for 2 weeks straight. Better yet a complete campaign. Use nothing else. Lead the enemy more than you think you should.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: georgh on July 10, 2007, 12:21:40 AM
It also was known as a good dive fighter, was it not?
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: ink on July 10, 2007, 04:33:43 AM
well ive gotten killz in the p40 before tonight: but damm i musta ran into a noob cuz i killed a 110 twice and spit 16 at least twice in the p40e, then i upped a 109e killed em a couple more times, most times he had e advantage. got  him 6 times with  no deaths.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Spatula on July 10, 2007, 06:51:33 AM
LOL, my squad just did a P40 only night in LWBlue. Base defense with 4 P40s is SO much fun. A touch outlassed, but non-stop laughin all the way!
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: georgh on July 10, 2007, 03:05:01 PM
B's or E's?
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Bubbajj on July 10, 2007, 04:08:41 PM
P 40s arn't that bad. They dive well, retain E pretty good and turn like monsters with the high speed flaps. I've been flying the E a lot lately and have come to respect it. If you can handle it, you can mix it up with a lot of the LW rides. If you have alt, you can substitute extra gravitational energy to make up for it's limited power. Just like the clip of the Niki kill. Alot of LW rides just squirm around trying to get angles. Noobs don't know what hit em.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: macleod01 on July 10, 2007, 04:29:39 PM
wats the point in it? Whats the point in the Hurricane 1? Or spit 1? Or LA5? Or Ju88? Whats the point, we got better planes! The point is that they are fun to fly, and can also turn the tables on any LW fight! Ok, the 88 may not be able to, but you could try! I can LA7's and Spit 16's in my Spitty 1, and if I was a better shot, Id be able to kill loads as well. The P40 is the same as every plane in the game. Takes a bit of getting used to, but a killer in the right hands. I bet it could hold its own in the LW arenas. I say bet caus Ive never taken it up and tryed it. But if a spitty 1 can, then surely a P40B can. Ive seen one fly about and get a few kills.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: NoBaddy on July 10, 2007, 06:39:52 PM
The only problem I ever had with flyin' a P40 is that it wasn't fast enough to make someone stay and fight. The EW arena solved that problem for me. :)
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: georgh on July 10, 2007, 09:19:03 PM
Then again, it's amazing flaps and it's dive speed make it a surprisng plane for it's speed. It's also quite a tough ride.
Title: Re: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: sgt203 on July 11, 2007, 08:00:43 AM
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Originally posted by Bronk
Try running into filth in one and see what happens.

Bronk


Rgr That Filth can be nasty in the 40... Killed me a few times in it
(not that that is a challenge in any plane) but he flew it very well.

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Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: dedalos on July 11, 2007, 09:28:43 AM
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Originally posted by georgh
It's also quite a tough ride.


Not really.  the only reason I don't fly it every day is the damage model.  HT has installed this huge magnets under the flaps.  It seems that every ping results in flap damage and a useless plane.
Nice plane until you get pinged
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: georgh on July 11, 2007, 06:14:46 PM
Well, the P40 is huge, therefore it must have huge flaps. Rip and tear!
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: georgh on July 12, 2007, 04:34:56 AM
Joking aside, why DOES it have such vulnerable flaps?
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: dedalos on July 12, 2007, 09:13:11 AM
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Originally posted by georgh
Joking aside, why DOES it have such vulnerable flaps?


I have no clue, but if you get hit with the flaps down you are done.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: FiLtH on July 12, 2007, 09:16:18 PM
It seems certain planes have their "thing".  Some planes get radiator hits alot. Others the pilot. P40s is flaps.  Im not sure, but there seems to be two different effects for the flaps in the 40.  Either being down and hit, or maybe its when retracted, it tends to have a super lean to one side that makes fighting very hard. The more minor effect just seems to make it not have the flap to use.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: georgh on July 12, 2007, 10:40:02 PM
Another thign i've always wondered, how do you bomb with the P40F in it's "Kittybomber" config? I can't hit shat with the bombs.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: trax1 on July 12, 2007, 11:02:24 PM
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Originally posted by georgh
Another thign i've always wondered, how do you bomb with the P40F in it's "Kittybomber" config? I can't hit shat with the bombs.

Next time try using the force:aok
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: georgh on July 12, 2007, 11:05:26 PM
Well, this creepy guy who kinda looks like Mel Brooks gave me a ring. Will that work?
Title: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Knegel on July 13, 2007, 12:56:39 AM
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Originally posted by georgh
What purpouse does the P40 serve in this game beyond early war setups?


What purpouse does the 109E4, Spit1a, HurriIa, A6M2, 110C, F4F, D3A, B5N and even the A6M5  serve in this game beyond early war setups?

There are several other planes that cant stand the La7, Sp16, F4U4 etc, but hey, shal this game have only the best late war planes cause that??

Greetings,

Knegel
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Nilsen on July 13, 2007, 02:16:19 AM
P40e is a fun plane, and so is the 109e. Both sound worse than they are in the game. The only thing you cant do in them is run away or chase a runner, and the former is why they are not so popular.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: DoLbY on July 13, 2007, 02:40:31 AM
I had fun in the P40E? (the one with more ammo) in the early war area; I got about 5 kills which was good for me :aok
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Bopboys coo on August 10, 2007, 12:38:59 PM
Strange it seems i win 70% of fights i encounter with la7's in my p40.
The plane is only good if the pilot learens to fly it. And i flew nothing but it for two months. I know how it flys
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Gianlupo on August 10, 2007, 01:41:48 PM
(http://home.comcast.net/~john-schroeder/threadpics/deadThread.jpg)

Please, let it rest in peace. ;)
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: thndregg on August 10, 2007, 01:46:15 PM
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Originally posted by RedTop
Why P40's?

Ben Afleck flew it...it HAS to be great:lol


...and it's sitting in a museum about a 45 minute drive SW of here.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: 5PointOh on August 10, 2007, 03:08:35 PM
Did someone say Ben Affleck

(http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/touchstone_pictures/pearl_harbor/ben_affleck/pearlharbor2.jpg)
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Uriel on August 10, 2007, 03:12:33 PM
thats because the guns are underpowered.. 50 cals put out more rounds in a given time than a 20mm and according to this game 8 50's will not even destroy a regular old army convoy truck with one strafe
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: JimBeam on August 10, 2007, 03:28:30 PM
P40 is uber
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: SlapShot on August 10, 2007, 04:29:36 PM
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Originally posted by Uriel
thats because the guns are underpowered.. 50 cals put out more rounds in a given time than a 20mm and according to this game 8 50's will not even destroy a regular old army convoy truck with one strafe


Where do we get these people ...  :rolleyes:
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Citabria on August 10, 2007, 04:30:24 PM
p40E attracts as much attention as a 262 and a p47

any of these 3 planes will have all eyes in the air looking in your direction and angling for the kill.

this is beneficial if you have an e advantage. some will expose themselves to an easy rope kill.

and if you manage your E right and time it right you can make about anything overshoot as long as you are playing dumb. but don't miss because the p40E loves to be slow and wallow around.

but its fun to get kills in.

when you make la7s overshoot and kill them as they pass by they are generally amazed that a p40E just wasted them. so thats always a plus defeating uber planes with an underdog.

so thats the point really. its a classic underdog that looks cool
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: froger on August 11, 2007, 01:07:57 AM
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Originally posted by JimBeam
P40 is uber



lol jim....good times:cool:
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: DaddyAck on August 11, 2007, 02:17:21 AM
I like flying the older planes in the LWA. It makes kills more gratifying.  I like the 109E, P38G, p47d-11, p40, and the f4f which is another plane people take for granted as being not worth while.  

(Oh and while La7s are being talked about, I find that they hate it when you get agressive with them and press the attack, they do not know what to do if you avoid their lame initial HO pass and saddle up on them.  But kill quickly and do not play with your food because if you do not kill the La quickly he WILL most likely run away.):t
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: paulieb on August 11, 2007, 04:08:18 PM
I've been a huge fan of the P40 series since I was a little kid. Although I haven't flown much lately except H2H, they are one of my favorite planes to fly. Great roll rate and instant turn, but you bleed E pretty fast in a flat turn.

A descending fight is almost always going to work in the 40's favor, unless the nme is in a 47 or Corsair. The P40 in general is a diving fool, and can split S better than almost any plane in the game, IMO.

Use your flaps wisely, don't shoot at more than D350, and be ready to get outta Dodge a lot sooner than you normally would in another ride if the fight's not going your way.

BnZ is a great tactic in the 40... make sure you get plenty of alt on your zoom before reversing.

NEVER pursue a plane going into a spiral climb, as you will run out of E in a hurry.

Now, if I were to beg HT for a new variant, it wouldn't be the N. More likely the L or K., in AVG colors please. :D
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: georgh on August 13, 2007, 08:04:43 PM
Meh, I don't care if someone wants to revive this thread. I'm bored, anyway. Might as well jump back into it.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Ocean27 on August 13, 2007, 09:31:38 PM
The P40 was a worthless POS in WW2 - even WW2 vets have said that. And no better in AH, it would seem.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: 1Duke1 on August 13, 2007, 11:09:45 PM
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Originally posted by Ocean27
The P40 was a worthless POS in WW2 - even WW2 vets have said that. And no better in AH, it would seem.


ROFL......
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Slash27 on August 13, 2007, 11:50:55 PM
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Originally posted by Ocean27
The P40 was a worthless POS in WW2 - even WW2 vets have said that. And no better in AH, it would seem.


We are not related.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: sgt203 on August 14, 2007, 01:31:16 AM
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Originally posted by Slash27
We are not related.


Lol

after Oceans post you need that in your sig to be on the safe side in the event he makes a third post...

:lol :aok :rofl
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: FiLtH on August 14, 2007, 08:12:22 AM
Actually BzN in a P40 isnt all that great. You can dive from altitude many thousands of feet and start a climb back up, and have the LA7 you dove on climb up to you.

   In my opinion it works best to fly it defensibly and sucker in the victims. But like others have said, like many planes in here you cant hop in one and expect 5 kills every mission. You need to fly it alot. Everything from learning what you can outrun, (not many) and what you can't(most) to learning how to aim, using flaps,avoiding hits.

   Some people would never like it though as it doesnt have cannon and it isnt a speed queen. Its really for the people who fly for the fight.
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Bopboys coo on August 23, 2007, 05:48:55 AM
No point?
I gte 85 percent of my kills in them
And i usally make 3+ kills in a run

     have a good one
            killsom
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Shifty on August 23, 2007, 11:10:04 AM
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Originally posted by Slash27
We are not related.


You sure?:D
Title: Re: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Laurie on August 23, 2007, 01:58:32 PM
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Originally posted by georgh
Other than the sparsely populated early war arenas, I really don't see where the P40B/E can perform well enough to even TRY to be competetive with the La-7fest the game seems to have turned into as of late.

Now don't get me wrong, the P40B does fly well, but 2x .30's and 2x .50's isn't exactly ideal. But the E, while it does have an OK gun package, does not seem to turn well enough to be able to fight most of the "normal" planes encountered in the latewar arenas.

Now this isn't a "ong i can't kill shat in teh p30 nerfperkupgrade!!!1" type post, but rather a question: What purpouse does the P40 serve in this game beyond early war setups?


Early war planes can be some of THE funnest most exhilarating rides in aces high. the P40 and hurri1 are my joyrides :D
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: 68ROX on August 23, 2007, 02:03:12 PM
I landed 2 scalps in LW today in P40-E.

Nice ride.


68ROX
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Helm on August 24, 2007, 08:11:23 AM
P40's rock!!
Title: P40 series, what's the point?
Post by: Slash27 on August 24, 2007, 12:39:34 PM
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Originally posted by Shifty
You sure?:D
:noid