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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: TalonX on July 09, 2007, 07:11:48 PM
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I am a proud Christian.
That said, I need to make a point.......or two....
1. I don't rely on science books for religion.
2. I don't rely on the Bible for science.
Have a nice day!
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Ok so what point is it your trying to make?
The bible and science should be mutually supportive of one another.
If science. doesnt support something in the Bible. Such as the great flood then I would have to call into question the accuracy of the story being told.
Or its interpetation (in this case it would be the latter)
However.
If science supports events in the bible. Such as the events of the exedus.
Then it only adds to the legitimacy of the story
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Well Dred, it's really meant to be thought provoking.
I do believe the Bible has a vital role in defining the mores of a Christian society. I also believe that, through some interpretations, the Bible attempts to explain the seemingly unexplainable. For example, ten thousand years is an impossibly long time to the writers of the time, so they use it to describe millenia.....in fact, I believe the earth is 3 billion years old....
I could go on, case by case....but I won't. I'll add one more thought though... I believe in evolution... I have no problem reconciling that God put in motion that which was necessary to create man and the earth. I don't choose to believe the verbatim explanation in the Bible......
I do not see them mutually exclusive...I simply see the Bible as being written at a time when some science was beyond their comprehension.
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Oh, but listening to the Christian Scientist prove their theories with the Bible can be soooo entertaining. I particulalry like the explaination for dinosaur bones and the flood when the Earth's "top" surface collapsed onto the "world" beneath the "top" surface. I think they were the reason Pope John Paul II's address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences: "Pope Says Evolution Compatible with Faith" and quoted at stating evolution was "more than a hypothesis." (funny that he was essentially restating what Pope Pius XII stated 50 years earlier in response to Darwinism).
As to The Flood: that story shows up in many cultures around the globe long before Judaism or Christianity reached them. Personally, I think that is a hold over from prehistoric times (prior to 3500 BCE) when the last ice age ended and the oceans rose. There is evidence that the Black Sea was a fresh water ocean with a much lower sea level (fossils of fresh water species and possible remnants of early human fishing villages) until around 5600 BCE when the encroaching Mediterranean broached the Bosporus (by one theory, perhaps much earlier)
The event flooded 60,000 mile² (155,000 km²) of land and significantly expanded the Black Sea shoreline to the north and west. Ryan and Pitman wrote:
"Ten cubic miles [42 km³] of water poured through each day, two hundred times what flows over Niagara Falls. …The Bosporus flume roared and surged at full spate for at least three hundred days."
Now, some dispute Ryan and Pitman's theory and timeline, but there is a lot of evidence to the lower sea levels and freshwater in the Black Sea as some point between the last ice age and 5600 BCE.
Certainly the rising seas and flooding fishing villages was a long term and impressive event (especially at the Bosporus) that effected man to the point that it would be story retold through the ages until versions of it finally made their way to written work.
It followed us like many things from those days: Fear of the dark, most people's attraction to gazing into firelight, fight or flight response. Some small part of early man remains a part of most of us in some way. Racial memory is pretty much dismissed by modern psychologists, but early man probably possessed the ability -- Homo habilis use of the 'Oldowan tools', or hand axe, consistently, and unchanged, for 2 million years is probably a good example.
But in any case, from the retelling of stories around camp fires for generations until finally being written down or some racial memory, the story or theme of The Flood made it's way into many religions and cultures around the world.
I stay Agnostic. There is good and bad to be found in most religions, and as most religions throughout history have been closely tied to politics and ruling over others.... and as I don't trust politicians from any age..... I take anything written in religion with a truckload of salt.
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Originally posted by TalonX
...I simply see the Bible as being written at a time when some science was beyond their comprehension...
...but, the bible is supposed to be the word of god. was the science beyond god's comprehension?
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Originally posted by Furious
...but, the bible is supposed to be the word of god. was the science beyond god's comprehension?
How do you explain the big bang or evolution over billions of years to a bunch of cave-dwellers who can barely count to ten? Maybe you use small words and simple concepts like "light" and "days"?
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Just remember one undeniable fact:
All you know of GOD is told to you by men.
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Just remember one undeniable fact:
All you know of GOD is told to you by men.
Actually no, some of us have personal experiences of meeting God.
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Originally posted by TalonX
I am a proud Christian.
That said, I need to make a point.......or two....
1. I don't rely on science books for religion.
2. I don't rely on the Bible for science.
Have a nice day!
heretic.:D
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Actually no, some of us have personal experiences of meeting God.
... or are totally insane ...
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Originally posted by Viking
... or are totally insane ...
What...you've never communicated with Odin??
:noid
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Only when I'm really ... REALLY ... drunk. ;)
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LOLZ!
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Meeting a cult leader who calls himself God does not count for the purposes of this conversation.
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I met Hitler once, does that count? I know he's not a God or anything, but the guy's been dead for 60+ years, that's got to count for something?
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Originally posted by Viking
I met Hitler once, does that count?
Masturbating to old documentaries does not count as "meet", so no.
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Don't bring me into your perverted fantasies Hortlund.
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Science is much different than opinion.
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Originally posted by Viking
Don't bring me into your perverted fantasies Hortlund.
LOLZ that is such a snappy comeback !!11!oenenone!11
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Yeah, only you could think of something so absurd as jacking-off to Hitler. But I guess it seems perfectly natural to you.
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You were the one who claimed to have met him.
Anyway, are you done with this thread now? Your contribution has truly been valuable for all of us.
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I believe in God and his son Jesus Christ and the teachings of the Bible and I try to follow those teaching as well as a sinner (Jesus was the only one without sin) can.
If I am wrong there will be no foul but if the ones that don't believe and follow are wrong it could cost you your soul.
Just my two cents worth.
Swoose
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Originally posted by Hortlund
You were the one who claimed to have met him.
And so I have.
Originally posted by Hortlund
Anyway, are you done with this thread now? Your contribution has truly been valuable for all of us.
Yours haven't I'm afraid.
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Originally posted by swoose
If I am wrong there will be no foul but if the ones that don't believe and follow are wrong it could cost you your soul.
If there ISN'T a god, and I DO believe, then my entire existence is a tiny, imperceptible speck in the infinite stretch of time that is eternity, infinitely precious for its incredible rarity. And I will have thrown a very significant proportion of that priceless jewel straight down the toilet while I sat on my knees telling the ceiling how much I loved it.
It looks like the risk/benefit is about even for Pascal's Wager.