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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JB73 on July 11, 2007, 12:55:41 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070710/ap_on_re_us/gang_rape
I wonder if any of you have seen or heard about it...
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Mother and son huddled together, battered and beaten, in the bathroom � sobbing, wondering why no one came to help. Surely the neighbors had heard their screams. The walls are thin, the screen doors flimsy in this violence-plagued housing project on the edge of downtown.
For three hours, the pair say, they endured sheer terror as the 35-year-old Haitian immigrant was raped and sodomized by up to 10 masked teenagers and her 12-year-old son was beaten in another room.
Then, mother and son were reunited to endure the unspeakable: At gunpoint, the woman was forced to perform oral sex on the boy, she later told a TV station.
Afterward, they were doused with household cleansers, perhaps in a haphazard attempt to scrub the crime scene, or maybe simply to torture the victims even more. The solutions burned the boy's eyes.
The thugs then fled, taking with them a couple of hundred dollars' worth of cash, jewelry and cell phones.
In the interview with WPTV, the mother described how she and her son sobbed in the bathroom, too shocked to move. Then, in the dark of night, they walked a mile to the hospital because they had no phone to call for help.
Two teenagers � a 14-year-old and a 16-year-old � have been arrested. Eight others are being sought.
Welcome to Dunbar Village, a place residents call hell.
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"So a lady was raped. Big deal," resident Paticiea Matlock said with disgust. "There's too much other crime happening here."
Built in 1940 to house poor blacks in then-segregated West Palm Beach, Dunbar Village's 226 units sit just blocks from million-dollar condos on the Intracoastal Waterway. Billionaires lounge on beachfront property just a few miles away on Palm Beach.
The public housing project's one- and two-story barracks-style buildings are spread across 17 grassy, tree-lined acres surrounded by an 8-foot iron fence. The average rent is about $150 a month.
Almost 60 percent of the households in the area that includes Dunbar Village were below the poverty level in 2000, according to Census figures. Only 19 percent of the area's residents had high school degrees. About 9 percent of the adults were unemployed, nearly triple the state average.
Teenagers with gold-plated teeth wander the streets. Drug dealers hang out on nearby sidewalks. Trash bin lids are open. Flies hover over dirty diapers. Clothes dry on sagging lines.
Since the June 18 attack, police have increased patrols in the area, blocked off one entrance and will soon install surveillance cameras.
"It took this to make that happen?" Matlock, a 32-year-old single mother of three, snarled.
As in other blighted neighborhoods across the country where criminals seem to have free rein, residents here live in fear. Snitches get stitches, they say. Or worse.
"I try to be in my house no later than 7, and I don't come out," said Citoya Greenwood, 33, who lives in Dunbar with her 4-year-old daughter. "I don't even answer my door anymore." On the Fourth of July, "we didn't know if we was hearing gunshots or fireworks."
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Avion Lawson, 14, and Nathan Walker, 16, will be charged as adults in the assault and gang rape, prosecutors said. They are jailed without bail.
Lawson's DNA was found in a condom at the crime scene, and he admitted involvement, authorities say. Police say Walker's palm print was discovered inside the home. He denies being there. His attorney says he will plead not guilty. Lawson's public defender did not return telephone messages.
Walker and Lawson did not live at Dunbar but visited often. Lawson stayed with his grandmother there. Walker came to hang out and play basketball. Dunbar has become the place to be for wayward black teens, residents and neighborhood kids say.
Walker and Lawson both grew up mostly fatherless, bouncing between homes. Walker's family sometimes lived in old cars or abandoned houses, said his mother, Ruby Nell Walker.
"We've never really had a real home," said Naporcha Walker, Nathan's 15-year-old sister.
He dropped out of school after spending three years in seventh grade. The family lives on food stamps and recently had to pawn their television and radio, Ruby Walker said.
"I just feel like he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. ... My son is not a rapist," she said.
Ruby Walker said she herself was raped twice, at ages 7 and 12. She said that just days before the Dunbar attack, someone tried to rape her again, and "my son came to me crying and said he wouldn't ever do that to anyone."
She has had her own problems with the law � at least nine arrests on charges such as disorderly conduct, aggravated assault and battery, according to state records.
Avion Lawson was a headstrong kid, never listening to his mother, said his cousin, Cassandra Ellis.
"I knew he was bad, but I never pictured him to be that type of bad," Ellis said. She said one traumatic experience may have scarred him � watching his older sister fatally stab a boyfriend.
"It was an accident. She killed her boyfriend. They was fighting, there was a knife," Ellis said. "He was there when it happened."
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City officials are quick to note that neither Lawson nor Walker lived at Dunbar, and say they are doing their best to make the place safe.
As quickly as overhead lights can be replaced, they are shot out, so officials are now considering bulletproof lighting.
"Isn't that quite a commentary on what the situation is there?" said City Commissioner Molly Douglas, whose district includes part of Dunbar. "Dunbar Village is a hell hole. They shouldn't have to live in fear."
More officers are hitting the streets, but "I just bow my head sometimes and think we just couldn't possibly have enough officers ever to take care of all of this," Douglas said.
Laurel Robinson, head of the city's housing authority, said that up until about four years ago, the federal government provided the city with $160,000 a year for security in public housing projects, but Congress did away with the money.
"Every family housing project in the country has suffered because of it," she said.
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The rape victim and her son have not returned to their apartment since the attack.
The woman fled Port-au-Prince, Haiti, with her son seven years ago in search of a better life. With no money, they landed in Dunbar. The two almost instantly became targets for crime, standing out as Haitians among the mostly American-born blacks in the housing project. Her car and the boy's bicycle were stolen. Their house was ransacked.
On the night of the attack, she was lured outside by a teenager who knocked on the door and said her car had a flat. Nine more teens, their faces shrouded with T-shirts, barged in, she told authorities. They brandished guns and demanded money, then went beyond the imaginable.
"I was so scared," the woman told WPTV. "Some of them had sex with me twice, some of them had sex with me three times. They're beating me up. They make me do those things over and over. The man with the big gun, he put the gun inside of me."
She said that when she was forced to perform oral sex on her own son, she told the boy: "I know you love me, and I love you, too."
Investigators say it is not clear exactly why the thugs picked her house.
The boy's sight has returned. Both mother and son are seeking counseling.
"I have to try and talk to him every day. He's so angry," the woman said. "He said we never should have moved to Dunbar Village."
I have highlighted a few points of my interest in the story.. though I will guess not many here saw the story first pop up a few days ago. Now that more is coming into light there is alot to discuss, and in my opinion alot of questions about society and life.
Things that pops out in my mind relate to "upbringing" and "environment" and in all honesty how it is, has, and will be used as an excuse for criminal behavior.
In my small mind race is "out the door" on something like this, I really question how 1 human would interact with another human.... but then the old race card pops up in the story.
There are many disturbing mental images in this entire saga, and many questions come to mind: one of them is "if this happens every day with both WHITE and NON-WHITE" why is it rarely if never mentioned in national news? I would honestly like to see statistics and information on things like this in America on whites, for the sole purpose to ease my mind that I don't make race assumptions....
The problem is I have never seen anyone even report the similarities OR differences in reported crimes here, on the news, in the paper, or wherever.
I am torn by the thought that the "media bias" just reports the "black crime" to perpetuate the segregation of America, and the reality of no true figures ever brought forth to prove OR dis-prove the relation of violent crimes between races.
Yes this is a horrible story, and I am saddened to hear about this in any situation. It just provoked my thoughts on the matter in a grand sense, beyond what happened, and the "underlying" problems.
what do you think / feel?
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people who sit idly by, or go into their houses before 7 and stay in are just as much a part of the problem as the thugs that roam in the absence of those who might otherwise be righteous.
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Originally posted by JB73
what do you think / feel?
When I first read this a couple days ago I felt there were 10 folks in immediate need of a .45 to the back of the head.
Now that I think about it rationally a .25 to the belly and slow agonizing death would be much more appropriate.
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Originally posted by Geary420
When I first read this a couple days ago I felt there were 10 folks in immediate need of a .45 to the back of the head.
Now that I think about it rationally a .25 to the belly and slow agonizing death would be much more appropriate.
Then why don't you do so? If you think it's appropriate.
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Many reasons.
1. They are about 1000 miles away.
2. Only 2 of them have been caught, the other 8 are unknown, at least to me.
3. The law does protect these peoples rights, whether they deserve it or not, and I'm not about to do a life bid over these scumbags.
4. I don't personally own a .25, but I guess my Ruger single six with .22 mag hollowpoints would do.
Nice troll BTW.
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Not a troll at all, just an observation. For a people that has a saying about "talking" and "walking", you sure talk a lot. I don't see much walking though.
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Don't forget Viking, we have a saying too, "tongue in cheek".
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That's true...
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"There are many disturbing mental images in this entire saga, and many questions come to mind: one of them is "if this happens every day with both WHITE and NON-WHITE" why is it rarely if never mentioned in national news? I would honestly like to see statistics and information on things like this in America on whites, for the sole purpose to ease my mind that I don't make race assumptions...."
I don't read about this type of crime every day from either race.
What about Dalmer? He ate his victims after doing who knows what to them. What about Paul Bernardo and Karla Holmolka in Canada? They toutured and killed two girls...all white, even the victims.
There are lots of examples.
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people like those in the story exist. You can fight back or you can be a victim. I am pretty sure that given a "do over" the mother or son would want to have a firearm and have taken the training to use it properly... seems that they had a cell phone.. it was useless.
I can say for certain that I would not have been in that building. Why would I? But if I were....
I can say for certain that I would have helped. I might be the one in trouble now but... the rapists mom would be the one doing the weeping. Maybe not...
Maybe they are the exception in gangbanger marksmen and I would be dead.. maybe they would get lucky.. nothing is ever certain about the outcome of a fight.
You can't leave race out of it in one respect tho... I would not be in that neighborhood.
Another thing you can count on is that they will spill out to your neighborhood. When they do... If you are unlucky enough to be their victim...you won't be treated any better... probly worse.
You can pretend they don't exist and that there is no need for the second amendment and they can be selling your useless cell phone while your family makes funeral arrangements.
lazs
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They should use that $160,000 to buy all of the residents without criminal records handguns, CHLs, and some glazer safety rounds.
A .45 slug in the chest stops rape in a hurry.
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$150 a month rent, does that include utilities?
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Originally posted by JB73
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070710/ap_on_re_us/gang_rape
I wonder if any of you have seen or heard about it...
I have highlighted a few points of my interest in the story.. though I will guess not many here saw the story first pop up a few days ago. Now that more is coming into light there is alot to discuss, and in my opinion alot of questions about society and life.
Things that pops out in my mind relate to "upbringing" and "environment" and in all honesty how it is, has, and will be used as an excuse for criminal behavior.
In my small mind race is "out the door" on something like this, I really question how 1 human would interact with another human.... but then the old race card pops up in the story.
There are many disturbing mental images in this entire saga, and many questions come to mind: one of them is "if this happens every day with both WHITE and NON-WHITE" why is it rarely if never mentioned in national news? I would honestly like to see statistics and information on things like this in America on whites, for the sole purpose to ease my mind that I don't make race assumptions....
The problem is I have never seen anyone even report the similarities OR differences in reported crimes here, on the news, in the paper, or wherever.
I am torn by the thought that the "media bias" just reports the "black crime" to perpetuate the segregation of America, and the reality of no true figures ever brought forth to prove OR dis-prove the relation of violent crimes between races.
Yes this is a horrible story, and I am saddened to hear about this in any situation. It just provoked my thoughts on the matter in a grand sense, beyond what happened, and the "underlying" problems.
what do you think / feel?
rwanda, uganda, sudan, the congo, kenya during the mau mau revolts etc. you needn't look to african only haiti is known for it's savagery between members of opposing political factions. while no one race holds the crown for brutality, africans have shown repeatedly how to truly be barbaric. that's not to say the rest of humanity is too far behind though, merely that africans are the clear winners in that category.
I know dunbar village you don't want to go there let alone live there but it's no worse than many rooseveltian communities set up to house blacks during the 1940s. we can thank mr roosevelt for liberty city here which is home to similar conditions and atrocities from time to time.
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Yes, this proves black people are barbaric.
Of course you'd have to ignore the mass killings and torture committed by the Nazis and Soviets, by Asians with respect to the Japanese during the war or Cambodians who slaughtered 1/3 of their own population under Pol Pot, or more recently the Christian attrocities that occured in Bosnia.
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I guess you suffer from selective reading disability. this must have been brought about by wearing your shortened trousers up high just below your nipples and cinching the belt too tightly. loosen the belt some it will help you breathe better.
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"while no one race holds the crown for brutality, africans have shown repeatedly how to truly be barbaric. that's not to say the rest of humanity is too far behind though, merely that africans are the clear winners in that category."
...my reading disability is bested only by your ability to make contradictory statements.
While no one race holds the crown....africans are clear winners in that category.
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no.. for whatever reason.. the negroes of this country at least... have shown a much higher level of serious crime and brutality.
I do not pretend to know why that is but it is prudent to keep in mind when dealing with em.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
no.. for whatever reason.. the negroes of this country at least... have shown a much higher level of serious crime and brutality.
I do not pretend to know why that is but it is prudent to keep in mind when dealing with em.
lazs
indeed though not just here in this country. all humans can be brutal blacks tend to be a tad more that's all I was trying to say. if you don't see that then you simply don't want to see it.
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This isn't going well.
It's just going to get worse because children of today are taught they are not responsible for their actions.
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"A .45 slug in the chest stops rape in a hurry."
A .45 residing at a persons ear makes rape easy ...
And a 12" in the chest stops anything in a hurry....
All depends on the setup....
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Originally posted by Angus
"A .45 slug in the chest stops rape in a hurry."
A .45 residing at a persons ear makes rape easy ...
And a 12" in the chest stops anything in a hurry....
All depends on the setup....
A load of number 4's from a Winchester 12 GA will ensure said rapist never, ever...rapes again.
In this case Angus, this victim apparently did not have a way to defend herself. If she had, things may have turned out differently.
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gosh dang it Angus, it's a 12 guage, not a 12 inch.
:lol
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Just the fact that places like this exist in the United States is a sign of something wrong. Analogous to a big tumor on an otherwise healthy liver.
I'm not a sociologist, but I can tell you this observation. In my city (lets define the bad parts of town purely on crime rate), the crime rate has spilled over from the inner city and is now encroaching on the suburbs. If I had to make a WAG (wild-assed guess), I would say crime spreads for three reasons.
(1) Environment- Imprintable kids around criminals pick up criminal behavior
(2) Genes- 50-70% of mental disorders are inherited. Criminals can fall into three different mental disorders: Anti-social, conduct-disorder, and psychopathic.
(3) Lack of moral code- Whether it be discipline from the church, military, or some other institution.
Criminals are everyones problem because they degrade the area they live in. How long before this ghetto in West Palm Beach starts spilling over into the good areas of town?
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Much of this type of violence is culturally based.
Gangbanger culture....which is glorified by violent, sexist, anti-authoritarian, drug using, rap music producing ex-con heroes. It is so deeply ingrained within the psyche of inner-city black and hispanic youth that it may be beyond the ability of the larger, law-abiding society of the nation to cope with or effectively counter.
The efforts of decent blacks, hispanics, and whites to address the growth of gangs have had distressingly little effect. Yet, there is little doubt that the problem is much more prevalent in poor minority communities than in suburban enclaves of any given racial makeup.
Decades of defending young violent thugs against "the Man's" justice has suddenly blown up in the faces of minority bigots and race-card demagogues.
Now they're screaming for the government to do something....but don't hurt the little darlings.
It appears that, in at least some communities within our nation, the federal and state governments have failed, miserably, to live up to the third goal stated in the Preamble of the Constitution....Ensure Domestic Tranquility.
Even if the government could drag a giant magnet through the streets of this neighborhood and gather up all the illegal guns, the punks and the violence would remain.
The Haitian lady and her son mentioned in the post above could not afford Brink's Home Security, or to live in a gated and guarded community. The police could not be counted on to come to their aid, don't like to patrol this type of community, and cannot be held legally responsible for a failure to protect an individual.
Clearly, they could not depend on their "neighbors" to intervene.
Just as clearly, the lesson to be learned here is that we are ultimately left to our own devises when it comes to protecting home and family, for society cannot or will not do it.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Much of this type of violence is culturally based.
Gangbanger culture....which is glorified by violent, sexist, anti-authoritarian, drug using, rap music producing ex-con heroes. It is so deeply ingrained within the psyche of inner-city black and hispanic youth that it may be beyond the ability of the larger, law-abiding society of the nation to cope with or effectively counter....
I think that is the most truthful and real comment in here.
the comment past there about "decent" whites and blacks alike is also true, and I think you are correct there too.
It just hurts my head to try and figure out why here at work the young (18 and 19) year old girls listen to pure rap music all night long. they are white, yet one of them talks "street" so much I have to ask her to repeat things all the time.
I really think that will be part of the downfall of the USA.
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Heeeey these kids are misunderstood....
Dammm what's with you people?
Now STFU while I load my magazines and post bail for this chit...
Run you Bassturds... counting to 3.... 1 3 Die Scum!!!
Mac
~Making America a Better Place~
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how many real dads do you think there are in Dunbar? there's your whole problem in a nutshell. don't look to gubmint to solve that.
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I'm gonna add that being a low-to-very-low income area doesn't help things. The incentive to steal anything, a cell phone, car, bicycle, or handbag, is one of the things that led up to this hainous act.
If she'd had a firearm, yes, she might have been able to defend herself, if she had the presence of mind to have it in her hand, cocked and locked, when she answered the door. From what I read in the story, if it had been anywhere else, It would have been just one more thing taken from her during the crime.
Alotta women won't even consider getting a gun of any sort to defend themselves. They are more afraid of firearms than what might happen to them without them. They usually need some kind of scare, or something bad to actually happen to them first, before they realize that not everyone is nice to you.
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then again.. the fastest growing group of people taking self defense firearms courses are women. they can be trained. In that neighborhood I would always answer the door with the Kimber in my hand behind my back.
If there is no threat.. no big deal.. smiles all around.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
then again.. the fastest growing group of people taking self defense firearms courses are women. they can be trained. In that neighborhood I would always answer the door with the Kimber in my hand behind my back.
If there is no threat.. no big deal.. smiles all around.
lazs
you know that is the best plan / advise I would have for most people...
for my LAME home state concealed carry is not legal, and home defense, well..
our governor has stated that "as long as he is in office concealed carry will never pass"
:mad: :furious
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"As long as he is in office..." Better do something about that then! ;)
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NPR blamed MR Bush for the actions of the rapists\thugs... (((Shocker)))
Every year brings us more stories worse then this, over and over... We must raise taxes to defeat this kind of brutal attack, government must get bigger and involved.
"Satire"
Its never the parents fault. unless thier white then the parents get charged and fined or go to court.
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Originally posted by Viking
"As long as he is in office..." Better do something about that then! ;)
tried, AND campaigned, though those liberals with their "no Iraq war" BS won I still hold true, and wish the MF wiped off the earth.
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NPR is about as fair and balanced as the ACLU. Why is it that liberals are so afraid to say their agenda that they have to lie about it?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
NPR is about as fair and balanced as the ACLU. Why is it that liberals are so afraid to say their agenda that they have to lie about it?
lazs
I listen to about an hour of NPR every morning and it must be scripted that all content of NPR has to have conclusions that some how every tragic story include the fact it is Mr. Bush's fault... The story the pther day was about north african sheep herders displaced from there job due to MR.Bush's reluctance to not sign Kyoto...
Its MR Bush always but if the story talks about Clinton its always President Clinton. The lack of rerspect and disdain is obvious.
Well I exaggerated a bit, I can't handle a whole hour of NPR its more like 12 minutes especially that program "all thinigs inconsiderate"
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Originally posted by T0J0
I listen to about an hour of NPR every morning and it must be scripted that all content of NPR has to have conclusions that some how every tragic story include the fact it is Mr. Bush's fault... The story the pther day was about north african sheep herders displaced from there job due to MR.Bush's reluctance to not sign Kyoto...
Its MR Bush always but if the story talks about Clinton its always President Clinton. The lack of rerspect and disdain is obvious.
Well I exaggerated a bit, I can't handle a whole hour of NPR its more like 12 minutes especially that program "all thinigs inconsiderate"
I met a guy who claimed to work for NPR. he was rambling on and on about this and that and the bush admin so much so that he was giving me a whale of a headache. I was working with a cutting torch on a building in downtown miami. I stopped cutting, I lifted my gogles looked him in the eye and told him if he didn't shut up I'd light him on fire. he went away. later the super for the job said the guy was trying to file assault charges on me. I wish I could meet up with that young fellow again sometime.
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Is this the village raising that Hillary speaks of? Perhaps we should leave the raising of children to parents and forget about government social engineering resulting in people with no morals and nothing but contempt and disrespect for others. If we weren't subsidizing the mass production of parentless children perhaps we wouldn't have such a shameful mess on our hands?
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Originally posted by storch
I met a guy who claimed to work for NPR. he was rambling on and on about this and that and the bush admin so much so that he was giving me a whale of a headache. I was working with a cutting torch on a building in downtown miami. I stopped cutting, I lifted my gogles looked him in the eye and told him if he didn't shut up I'd light him on fire. he went away.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl