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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: straffo on July 11, 2007, 02:56:31 AM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6290228.stm
what will became your usual "it's the sun sutpid" ?
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I thought this was about food.:(
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Hmmmm...
"This paper re-enforces the fact that the warming in the last 20 to 40 years can't have been caused by solar activity," said Dr Piers Forster from Leeds University, a leading contributor to this year's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) assessment of climate science.
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hmmmmm.....
"All the graphs they showed stopped in about 1980, and I knew why, because things diverged after that," he told the BBC News website.
"You can't just ignore bits of data that you don't like," he said."
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4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
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The BBC is a communist website and should be ignored.
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The BBC also showed the swindle documentary.
:noid
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Channel 4 actually.
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LOL, you guys are hilarious. Scientists can't even decide what killed off the dinosaurs even though there's overwhelming evidence to support either side. Now all of a sudden, a 'study' proves it can't be just the sun causing 'climate change', it HAS to be man.
It's not about denying the changing climate guys, it's admitting that Earth's climate is in CONSTANT CHANGE (there's even an arguement that is in fact what may have killed the dinosaurs and NOT an impact event).
The mere fact that scientists can argue both sides of an issue and not come to a unanymous agreement dictates my skepticism on this 'climate change study'.
Compare it to this; you may deny the existance of God, as I do, there's very little hard facts to support His existance, but then again that would mean over 3 billion people are wrong.
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Diablo, (I know this would be like Kryptonite, but...) have you watched An Inconvenient Truth? This just doesn't follow the historical patterns of natural global warming.
This is not unlike the UFO debate. Do you think there is life on other planets or are we the only life in the universe? It's kind of arrogant to think we are when you look at the data, but there's no proof otherwise.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
LOL, you guys are hilarious. Scientists can't even decide what killed off the dinosaurs even though there's overwhelming evidence to support either side. Now all of a sudden, a 'study' proves it can't be just the sun causing 'climate change', it HAS to be man.
Dinosaur never existed they where added by god to test our faith.
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To answer your question, no I haven't watched but that's based mostly on the fact that I have no interest on something that is basically a one-sided representation of an argument. Have you read Michael Crichton's 'State Of Fear'? It represents the other side of the argument. I read it without realising what it was about. Although I found it one of the least rewarding of the novels he wrote, I did like how he pointed out the hypocrisy of the left when they say one thing and do another. After I read the book threw it away.
As for the dinosaurs, no, scientists are in disagreement on whether it was a climate change that slowly killed out the dinosaurs or an impact event.
My point is that you can build a case for either side in a hotly debated topic as climate change OR dinosaur extinction. One side will lambast the other and claim it was influenced by politics or money.
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What is more hilarious is watching a bunch of people, most of whom are completely knowledgeless about a topic, take extreme stances on it...particularly GW denialists (because I haven't seen an extreme stance on these boards supporting GW theory).
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This, Hortlund, is a something I needed for my dictionary:
"anti-environment crowd "
TY:aok
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Originally posted by Curval
What is more hilarious is watching a bunch of people, most of whom are completely knowledgeless about a topic, take extreme stances on it...particularly GW denialists (because I haven't seen an extreme stance on these boards supporting GW theory).
What is more hilarious are the 'conservatives' that waved the flag before GW and now deny being a 'conservative' and are flying the 'libertarian' flag.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
My point is that you can build a case for either side in a hotly debated topic as climate change OR dinosaur extinction. One side will lambast the other and claim it was influenced by politics or money.
I can agree with that 110%.
Watch Albert. It actually leaves you thirsty for more when it's over. I went into it with an open mind and was impressed with the way it was presented.
I'm sure there is a website somewhere that bebunks everything he says, but it's still worth watching. Heck, think of all the stuff you could use to throw back in treehuggers faces later on.
That's worth the price of admission alone.
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Global warming debaters actually were up to this date debating whether if there was one. Now that part is mostly over, then they debate whether man has something to do with it.
Clinging on like that will not change what's going on, and I will repeat myself by saying that it is absolute foolishness to claim that mankind has no impact on global climate.
anti-environment crowd,,,,,nice word.
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Holden's illustrated pretty well that the current spike is within the range of precedent deviations...
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Sorry Moot ? I don't understand your post.
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LOL... so now.. because it the suns activity does not follow exactly to the millimeter... for every single year... it is no longer valid? one study throws it all out? even tho there were probly bigger and longer blips in the data over the eons?
Lets take the Co2 graph.. if a blip makes a theroy invalid... look at the freaking Co2 graph next to temp. !
It shows temp falling and Co2 rising all over the place. and not just for a couple of years... for decades.. the temp fell from 1940 to 76 yet co2 rose and... solar activity fell...
You can't have it both ways... you can't shout "anomaly" from the rooftops whenever we have a cold year or 30 and high Co2 and in the same breath cry "proof" when there is a drop in MEASURED solar activity and the temp continues a warming trend..
stretched out over centuries the little blip on such a graph would be nothing.
And....
Speaking of MEASUREMENTS.... have you guys seen "surfacestations.org?
The United States Historical Climate Network... yep.. the ones giving the temps that the UN and NASA use to make their graphs and to build a foundation on... the data used by "scientists" Those careful stalwarts...
This site is an attempt to inspect the 1200 or so weather stations around the country.
In 1980 (oddly enough) the UN claimed that the stations were badly flawed.
Nothing has been done to inspect or repair them.
This study has shown that in the first 50 inspected.. 38 were seriously flawed.. things like being moved to an area on asphalt.. or near an air conditoning exhaust or onto a roof... the graphs show most ere to the side of higher than real temps.
So... despite everyones faith in british scientists who are making fame and fortune off doom and gloom and... despite a tiny blip in a graph that everyone must concede is within an expected range when dealing with the entire globe... I still say...
ITS THE SUN STUPID.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I still say...
ITS THE SUN STUPID.
LOL
I tend to think that guys with no relevant education who think they can second guess professors or highly educated scientists are the prime candidates for "stupid".
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others might ask... is it possible for the politial and money driven "man made global warming" er... "scientists" to ever be honest?
They claim a graph that ends in 1980 is dishonest yet use a graph that is so truncated that it is embarassing.. the numbers are tiny.. fractions of a degree in a short graph and tiny amounts of solar activity (one measured part of it anyway) in a tiny time span. probly the tiny amounts shown are withing calibration limits. certainly the temp data in fractions can be attributed to things like really poorly maintained weather stations. half a degree in 30 years? a planet that changes half a degree in 30-50 years is in crisis? If the so called measurements could be that accurate even. If the temp fell half a degree in the next 50 years would that be a crisis as well?
If so.. the world has been in crisis for all of its existence. I can't find any time period that is flat in temp.
They act like we have been able to measure fraction of a degree weather changes for decades with highly sophisticated equipment calibrated and read by scientists... in the US at least.. that is not the case (see above), I see no reason to believe it is the case in the rest of the world.
but wait.. the temp graph stops ten year ago? why is that? surely not because solar activity has gone down and we have had colder years for four of those missing years?
My hope is that the "man made global warming" scientists will continue to exaggerate and lie to the point where everyone will tell them to pound sand or...
They will not get what they want and a natural cooling cycle will come along (we are due historicaly) and they will go back under the rock they came from.
lazs
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Look, this is really simple lasz. I'll try to explain it to you in small words.
1) Anti-environment types have claimed that increased solar output is the reason for the gobal warming.
2) A study shows that solar output has DECREASED, while temperature on earth has INCREASED.
3) That means that the theory put forth under 1) has been proven wrong, and therefore it fails.
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So the sun's burning out?
Eeeeeeekkk!
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look hortlund... I will make it simple so that a doomsday acolyte like you can understand.
co2 has risen when it has gotten colder so that proves the co2 theory wrong.
we have had cold years since the "graph" ended in (oddly) 2000 but the co2 has stll risen. the solar activity has fallen slightly.. so has the warming trend.
If you stretch out graphs of your "proof" and graphs of solar activity to reasonable lengths you will see that there is a lot more to give credence to the sun making the globe hotter and cooler than to co2.
lazs
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lazs2 is never a disappointment
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This could have almost been a decent topic had it not been intended to be a personal attack.
Why you guys just do not leave this alone is mystifying to me. How many hundred post threads do we need on this topic?