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Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: toonces3 on July 11, 2007, 11:38:03 AM
...or other multi-engine fighters.

I just got a new joystick with a dual throttle.  I was wondering if there's any advantage to using asymmetric thrust with the multi-engine fighters in the game.

I'll probably experiment with it offline later, but I figured I'd throw it out to the pros to see if it's been tried, and if so, to what effect.

Thanks,
Toonces
Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: Krusty on July 11, 2007, 11:57:02 AM
Do it at the wrong time and it can throw you into a spin. Apparently it doesn't help much or at all in turns (somebody else said this, I can't vouch for it). It does seem to help in hammer-head-style vertical moves. I think it'd just be cool personally.


I'm stuck with 1 throttle for now.
Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: PanzerIV on July 11, 2007, 12:23:01 PM
It would be good for takeoff, change thrust to steer the plane.
Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: Krusty on July 11, 2007, 12:26:49 PM
Well, in the 38 you don't need to steer on takeoff!
Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: PanzerIV on July 11, 2007, 12:38:38 PM
yeah yeah
Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: Krusty on July 11, 2007, 12:41:12 PM
I think it'd be sweet to fly twin bombers with twin throttles, but until I have $150 floating around unused (HAH!) I can't get the CH quadrant throttle that I dream of.
Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: Wes14 on July 11, 2007, 01:58:21 PM
:) make them outta lego's. i would make throttles if i had the legos and the pots and stuff
Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: Krusty on July 11, 2007, 02:11:42 PM
I did make them out of legos. Flimsy arse crap.

Can't force myself to go through with it. Making it out of real parts (metal/wood) is too duanting.
Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: toonces3 on July 11, 2007, 02:25:56 PM
No, no, no...
I have a nice fighterstick combo for home.  I was looking for something that I could haul around with my laptop, a smaller single stick with all the buttons I need for aces high.

I saw this little guy and picked it up.  I like the idea of dual throttles because I do dabble in other sims besides AH2:

http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/av8r.htm

I took up a P-38L and played it the dual throttle some.  It doesn't seem to help with turns too much, but it seems to help with roll.  However, I can tell that it would take alot of practice to get comfortable exploiting it in a combat environment.  Plus, I'm not really familiar with the P38, so I don't know the nuances of the flight model to tell how much the asymmetric thrust is affecting the flight path.

So far I'm pleased with the purchase.  For $40 it seems to be a nice stick.
Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: Krusty on July 11, 2007, 02:41:44 PM
I was looking at that. The dual throttles are interesting, but it looks ugly as sin, and the layout appears to be one of the worst ever (especially the throttle position, switches/buttons, etc...)
Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: toonces3 on July 11, 2007, 05:46:58 PM
Agreed- I wouldn't get it for my primary stick and throttle.
Title: Re: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: Ack-Ack on July 11, 2007, 06:54:35 PM
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Originally posted by toonces3
...or other multi-engine fighters.

I just got a new joystick with a dual throttle.  I was wondering if there's any advantage to using asymmetric thrust with the multi-engine fighters in the game.

I'll probably experiment with it offline later, but I figured I'd throw it out to the pros to see if it's been tried, and if so, to what effect.

Thanks,
Toonces



I'd recommend using dual throttles for the "immersion" factor and that's it.  Any performance advantage for using one to maneuver better is negligible at best.

I used to use a SunCom dual F-15 Talon throttle when I first started AH but all it allowed me to do were really nice looking air show quality hammerheads.  So after a couple of months went back to my Pro Throttle.  However, as I mentioned in another thread, I just ordered the CH Dual Throttle so I can use one again but this time solely for the immersion factor.


ack-ack
Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: Krusty on July 11, 2007, 07:33:20 PM
Alternately, map one of them to RPM and you still fly as a single throttle stick, but with a bonus!
Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: toonces3 on July 11, 2007, 11:28:52 PM
I had thought to do that, and then forgot!

Thanks for the tip- that's a perfect mapping for that second throttle, and fairly realistic for the prop planes I've flown.
Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: Serenity on July 11, 2007, 11:36:08 PM
I would definately take it for the immersion factor, but I agree with Krusty on the RPM. I actually use mine so often, I have RPMs mapped to a rotor on my X-45. Looks like a fun stick though!
Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: Ack-Ack on July 12, 2007, 01:04:29 AM
There's no need to fiddle with the RPM in the P-38 unless you want to conserve fuel.


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Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: Krusty on July 12, 2007, 09:16:05 AM
Considering a 38 on internal fuel has only about 30 minutes full throttle, you may want to conserve fuel while flying it at certain times :P
Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: AWwrgwy on July 12, 2007, 10:32:07 AM
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Originally posted by Krusty
Considering a 38 on internal fuel has only about 30 minutes full throttle, you may want to conserve fuel while flying it at certain times :P


Fly on one engine and get twice the range.  Second engine is really just a spare anyway, right?


wrngwy
Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: Krusty on July 12, 2007, 11:02:18 AM
Right! :aok
Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: Nimrod45 on July 13, 2007, 09:19:18 PM
Don't know about on the game but everything I have read says that chopping throttle one one engine did nothing for turn rate but did make a important difference in roll rate.
Title: Asymmetic thrust in the P-38
Post by: Ack-Ack on July 13, 2007, 09:56:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Krusty
Considering a 38 on internal fuel has only about 30 minutes full throttle, you may want to conserve fuel while flying it at certain times :P


75% fuel in the P-38J provides around 30 minutes of flight time.  100% fuel is around 45 minutes.  With 1 drop tank you can extend your flight time little over an hour, with 2 drop tanks you can extend it even longer.

G is another matter since it has a smaller fuel tank then the J and the L, hence lower flight time.


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