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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Latrobe on July 11, 2007, 06:54:26 PM
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Yesterday (July 10) we saw a snake in our yard about 2 1/2 ft long and our dogs wanted out so i got the 22 and got it on the 2nd shot here are some pics
this is when it was still alive
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heres 2 after i got it
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Me and my "trophy"
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Killing a defenseless snake?
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Wanna pose with MY throphy?
Mac
BTW cute socks Bathrobe
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Good kill!:)
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:lol AWMac shoes are overrated
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Looks like a regular old bull snake.....should have let that one live. Not poisonous and they're good for keeping rats and mice under control.
You would have been better off taking a long handle shovel, picking it up and tossing it back in the trees or something.
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it is a good snake now. :aok
nice going.
you should have posted this in the other thread. show Silut err Silat how it is done.
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For your worthy efforts you will receive a one of a kind, collector`s edition, numbered and dated , Jackal`s BOOM....Good Snake award. :aok
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Quick, get that thing to McFarland so he and he papaw can doctor it up and rehabilitate it. They might need it to ward off attacking felines! :lol
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learn how to skin a snake
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If you got it on the second shot why do I see 4 wounds?
Or did you get it on the second shot and finally kill it on the 5th? LOL
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i dunno looks like a rattler to me
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Originally posted by Hornet33
Looks like a regular old bull snake.....should have let that one live. Not poisonous and they're good for keeping rats and mice under control.
You would have been better off taking a long handle shovel, picking it up and tossing it back in the trees or something.
Was gonna say the same thing.
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i wanna kill a snake..there just isnt any around :noid
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Originally posted by Wes14
i wanna kill a snake..there just isnt any around :noid
I hear McFarseland is starting a new company called Snakes R Us.
Maybe he can send you some by Slither Express. :)
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That's a Timber Rattlesnake, dark form, Crotalus horridus, appears to have had part of its rattle broken off. A rather harmless snake, the bite usually swells the immediate area, which goes away in a few weeks, usually two. An antivenom is available, but is usually more dangerous than the snake. In other words, should of left it alive to kill rats and mice. And no, I'm not starting a company. Snakes belong outdoors, where they can control the pest populations.
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Originally posted by McFarland
That's a Timber Rattlesnake,
A rather harmless snake
Harmless if it`s dead. That`s the only way.
the bite usually swells the immediate area, which goes away in a few weeks, usually two.
Or better yet.....you can make the slithering piece of boot material go away in seconds---------> BOOM....good snake.
In other words, should of left it alive to kill rats and mice.
That`s what cats are for. Cats are cute and fun for the whole family. :)
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Until they attack the little kids.Cats are tempermental, and they can carry diseases, like rabies. Snakes don't.
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Originally posted by McFarland
Until they attack the little kids.
Geee .....I don`t ever remember seeing a rampaging cat attack a kid.....ever.
This just must be a ongoing thing with your family and the attack cats of the world.
Cats are tempermental, and they can carry diseases, like rabies. Snakes don't.
No, snakes carry snakebites and venom in some cases, but around here when one is spotted he just carries a load of lead. BOOM....good snake.
In 55 years of life I have never seen or heard a local report of a rabid cat. There have been some of course, but the chances of encountering one is probably about equal to being hit by a falling plane.
On the other hand the chances of encountering a venemous snake here is very high. That`s when the fun starts.
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No, cats are tempermental. They have not been domesticated nearly as long as dogs. They still have moments when they go back to their natural instincts and attack people. I'm not meaning a "rampage", thery just jump up your pants leg and dig every one of their claws in and try to bite your leg off. I've even seen it on TV, so I know it didn't just happen to me. And it did it to a uniformed officer. In which case I was rooting for the cat, but still, it attacked him.
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ahhh... so we shouldn't kill snakes because there is plenty of antivenom around at the local hospital if we step on one in the grass and it poisons us but we should fear cat attacks?
because... they are not as domesticated as dogs? are you seriously saying that cats are more of a threat to people than dogs? or even squirrels? Unless you hunt with one a dog is pretty darn useless and... it kills for fun too except.. it doesn't kill the right stuff like vermin and.. it carries rabies more often than cats and.. dog attacks are not only a hell of a lot more common than (choke,, gasp) "cat attacks" but a hell of a lot more dangerous to the person attacked.
You just get better and better guy.
So dogs are ok with you? Even if they kill your beloved snakes?
lazs
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You know peanoodles and guinea hens are also good for keeping the local snake populace down. Do they go nuts and attack humans very often? All this talk about rabid cats has merely reinforced my hatred for and outright fear of the feline species. ;)
All kidding aside McFarland I see your point of view. However, as I previously stated, I'm fairly astute at determining if a snake is poisonous or not but I tend to err on the side of caution. If I think its a rattler, copperhead, coral, watter moccasin, etc.... boom ... good snake.
When I lived in the country I kept cats in my barn to control the rodent populace. The 'rents wouldn't let me get any peanoodles or guineas. And they did a fine job.
Different strokes and all I don't think any of the snake species in the country are on the endangered species list quite yet.
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You're a cat person. Dogs are better than cats. They are loyal. I've never seen loyalty in a cat. And if a snake is lying in the grass, you're going to see it. Or you're just blind. I've never been attacked by a dog, or a squirrel, but a cat? Yes, they've bit me several times. And clawed me. And I've taught me dogs not to kill anything other than what I tell them to. All it takes is good training. Guess you're too lazy to spend time training a dog, and just prefer cats that kill everything smaller than them, and more than what they can eat. And dogs aren't useless, they are good for protection of property, and of your stock. They will bark at and attack coyotes, and alert you to thieves. But you're a cat person.....
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And yes, there are species of snakes on the endangered species list.
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And yes, Dichotomy, I can see where you're coming from. But I just prefer to leave all snakes be, they are getting fewer around here. And I've never seen a peacock or guinea kill a snake, but they are good for getting rid of insect pests.
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I am not a cat or a dog person. I just realize that for 90% or better of "dog owners" they shouldn't have a dog. I have no use for a dog and don't want to be owned by one.
I have cats at work to kill vermin. they are no trouble at all and if they can be trained I don't care. they are self trained. there is no real need to train em.. they come with all the built in training needed.
Unlike dogs.. they won't kill themselves if you leave em too much food.. they won't crap on the floor and they don't bury their nose in your crotch or growl or bite.
And.. you can't train a dog to not kill... you can only babysit.. you let that dog run wild and the first thing he sees he will try to kill. He will pack up with other dogs that run wild and kill small and large animals including livestock.
You see dogs hanging from barbed wire fences around here all the time... ones ranchers have shot. The same rancher may own a dog of his own.. but any dog running wild will kill livestock and pack up with ones that do. I have killed a dozen or so myself. three one time that were for all intents and purposes.. acting like a pack of wolves... stupid dogs were trying to flank me while the leader tried to get my attention. The first one shot just startled the others. 44 with solids is good dog medicine.
But don't worry mcfarland... we kill a lot more cats than they kill us every year and the poisonous ones are rare and easy to identify and ... the hospitals have anti venom and can also sew back on the limbs that attacking puddy tats rip from your helpless body. Unless of course the cat drags you up a tree to finish you off.
What would steve irwin say about your fear of cats?
lazs
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Dogs are better than cats. They keep out the coyotes (I have yet to see a cat do this), they bark at thieves, they bark at people coming onto your land, they help you hunt, they are loyal, they can be trained not to kill, they will keep away wild dogs, and they don't overbreed and become a nuisance. You say that you kill cats, well, why? I thought they were doing good? If you have to kill them, then you don't need them. God didn't put us here to kill everything, he put us here to control things and keep things working properly. People aren't meant to do the things you do. We weren't given dominance over life and death. We are only supposed to take what we need, not everything. Most serial killers start out like you, killing small animals. And what would Steve Irwin say aboot me fear of cats? Nothing, for I have no fear of cats. You are mistaking knowledge for fear. I know that cats will attack. Doesn't keep me from petting them. Me papaw has two cats, doesn't keep me from going over there. And I pet them. They are good cats, tame, not like feral cats and the like.
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Killing an animal you don't need to, just because you can... is a mark of pansiness.
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Well said Engine.
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Killing an animal that might kill your children is neither manly nor pansie..
It is simply prudent.
lazs
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That's why you teach them to leave the snake alone. and it seems to me, that is boasting of killing something that couldn't defend itself. And was causing no one any harm. That's just stupid, cruel, and crazy.
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no... sometimes they are too young and sometimes they simply do not see the snake.. even steve irwin gets killed playing around dangerous animals.
lazs
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He was not "playing". He was making a documentary on the Great Barrier Reef. In fact, he was filming something for his daughter when he was killed. And that's why you teach them how to look for snakes. I have been tracking these hills since I was 5, and I've never been bit by a snake I didn't pick up. I know how to handle animals though, and knew to wear gloves and boots. Walking around in sandals or flip flops is stupid.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
If you got it on the second shot why do I see 4 wounds?
Or did you get it on the second shot and finally kill it on the 5th? LOL
I'm guessing that as he approached it to shoot it, the snake coiled up into it's defensive position. Then, when it is shot, one bullet would make several holes as it passes thru the coils.
Just my ejumakated guess . . .
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Originally posted by lazs2
Killing an animal that might kill your children is neither manly nor pansie..
It is simply prudent.
I agree. That's why I said animals you don't need to kill, such as nonpoisonous or weak-venomed snakes.
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Here's a sweet kitty cat, available for addoption... http://youtube.com/watch?v=Eht-kEzq88w
Geee .....I don`t ever remember seeing a rampaging cat attack a kid.....ever.
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Thanks VWE, I coudln't find that video when I looked for it.
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Typical cat, happy, content one minute, raising Hell the next.
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Originally posted by McFarland
And yes, Dichotomy, I can see where you're coming from. But I just prefer to leave all snakes be, they are getting fewer around here. And I've never seen a peacock or guinea kill a snake, but they are good for getting rid of insect pests.
It's something to see.
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Cats are evil
:noid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCXCyKlSIk4
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Originally posted by McFarland
You're a cat person. Dogs are better than cats. They are loyal. I've never seen loyalty in a cat. And if a snake is lying in the grass, you're going to see it. Or you're just blind. I've never been attacked by a dog, or a squirrel, but a cat? Yes, they've bit me several times. And clawed me. And I've taught me dogs not to kill anything other than what I tell them to. All it takes is good training. Guess you're too lazy to spend time training a dog, and just prefer cats that kill everything smaller than them, and more than what they can eat. And dogs aren't useless, they are good for protection of property, and of your stock. They will bark at and attack coyotes, and alert you to thieves. But you're a cat person.....
I'm up to 6 attacks from dogs. 3 of the times, the dogs were really trying to kill me.
0 Attacks by cats so far. But what would I know, I just have cats as pets.
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Good sized rattler... Hope ya fried him for dinner, mand that is Goooooood eating!
oh, be glad that nobody and no pets got bit... had to put down my beagle cause a Copperhead bit her.
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Originally posted by McFarland
Cats are tempermental, and they can carry diseases, like rabies.
Watch out for the evil cat mcfarland:O
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa146/slayr_2007/Sniper_Kitty.jpg)
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I'm up to 6 attacks from dogs. 3 of the times, the dogs were really trying to kill me.
0 Attacks by cats so far. But what would I know, I just have cats as pets.
Never been attacked by a dog. They are good animals. Yes, some breeds are not good to have, such as pit bulls, but in general most dogs are loyal. Good thing I don't live in that place, the first dog of mine that got shot, I'd be shooting the guy that shot him. Or beating him to within an inch of his life. Killing a dog or a horse is a serious crime, as is horse thieving. Punishable by hanging. And yes, hanging is still in the books here.
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I posted this in someone elses pigeon shooting thread but it applies here...
I guess they're not teaching shoot only what you will eat anymore.
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would YOU eat a burglar? ;)
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
would YOU eat a burglar? ;)
Depends on what she looks like:D
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golfer... "they" never did. there used to be a bounty on crows and pidgeons and ground squirrels.
You do not eat vermin.. you can eat snakes I suppose but they are simply dangerous pests that need to be eliminated.
We poison a lot of our pest population now... like ground squirrels but.. it is still very moral to shoot them... more than poison in my opinion.
The myth that all gun people eat what they kill or even should is just that a myth.
The real deal is that hunters have always said that you eat what you kill when it applies to game animals.
lazs
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I consider a squirrel a game animal. What do squirrels do that make them evil pests? They do a great job of running away or at least scurrying up a tree whenever I've come around.
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Around here squirrels do a lot of damage to soffitts and attics.
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I tought I saw a putty tat. I did, I did, I did saw a putty tat.
RUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun!
:aok
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I'm up to 6 attacks from dogs. 3 of the times, the dogs were really trying to kill me.
0 Attacks by cats so far. But what would I know, I just have cats as pets.
If you were 6 inches tall your cat would eat you...
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Originally posted by lazs2
golfer... "they" never did. there used to be a bounty on crows and pidgeons and ground squirrels.
You do not eat vermin.. you can eat snakes I suppose but they are simply dangerous pests that need to be eliminated.
We poison a lot of our pest population now... like ground squirrels but.. it is still very moral to shoot them... more than poison in my opinion.
The myth that all gun people eat what they kill or even should is just that a myth.
The real deal is that hunters have always said that you eat what you kill when it applies to game animals.
lazs
There "used to be" is right. We have sinced learned the error of our ways. We made the passenger pigeon extinct, if you will remember. I've never seen a ground squirrel do anything that can cause a problem. It isn't moral to shoot something if your not going to eat it. Killing without a reason is unjustified, cruel, and evil. Thinking snakes are all bad evil pests is an outdated thought that has no basis in reason. Snakes are not a pest. Very much the opposite, their numbers are dwindling. There are fewer snakes now than just a few years ago. Snakes should not be eliminated. We have even found uses for their venom. Copperhead venom contains a component that can be used to treat cancer. It keeps the cancer cells from growing, and can eventually kill it. It also will keep the cancer from spreading. There are no side affects of it either, like modern treatments have. We have found things like this in many other venoms as well. If we lose those species, we lose the venoms, we lose the cures. Who knows what else could be found? Science is just now exploring the complicated compounds found in venoms, and many of them have uses. These cures could save many thousands of lives, and improve countless others.
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It is still legal to shoot crows in most areas and it is legal to poison or shoot vermin including jackrabbits bunnies and groundhogs and squirrels. only the bounty is gone.. in kalifornia we have a plague of crows and they are being shot again in some areas.
I don't care what kind of snake it is.. you will never get convicted for killing it if you say you feared it.
you are as usual.. full of it.
but since this is about first snake kills... I really can't recall mine there have been hundreds tho.. will probly be hundreds more.
lazs
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Actually, the cures and stuff, beleive it or not, are real. They have been found, and are being tested right now, and no bad reports on any of them. And yes, around here, you will be convicted of killing a snake. It's up to a $5000 fine. In fact, this applies across the US to killing native species out of season. And since there is no season on any species of snake, it is illegal to kill them.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I'm up to 6 attacks from dogs. 3 of the times, the dogs were really trying to kill me.
0 Attacks by cats so far. But what would I know, I just have cats as pets.
I have been attacked by one dog when i was a kid. I was just riding my bike along and all of a sudden a dog ran up and chomped into my thigh and tried to pull me off my bike. Luckily it gave up after a few seconds. Mom called the cops/pound and the dog was taken away. Ever since then, I have been paranoid of medium sized and up dogs.
Now of something 18in or taller comes up to me in attack mode, I will shoot it without hesitation. Anything smaller will just be kicked across the yard (or shot)
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Originally posted by McFarland
And since there is no season on any species of snake, it is illegal to kill them.
Wrong again, Colorado has a season for Prairie Rattlesnake. LINK, go to page 12 (http://wildlife.state.co.us/NR/rdonlyres/780A905D-8639-4EB1-BBA0-20BBE1F915A8/0/smallgame.pdf). Same regs apply in 2007.
Once again you're full of BS.
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Ok, so one state does. And only on one species, which is probably very abundant there. I know that to kill a snake in Tennessee is illegal. As it is to kill any species of turtle other than the snapping turtle.
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Originally posted by lazs2
you are as usual.. full of it.
That`s putting it lightly. Overload sounds about right.
but since this is about first snake kills... I really can't recall mine there have been hundreds tho.. will probly be hundreds more.
You know I can`t remember my first either, but the one today was pretty enjoyable. The sucker was trying to find a way up onto my pontoon boat moored in the back. He made one too many circles and..............yep you guessed it..........BOOM.......good snake.
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No, there really are cures for illnesses found in snake venoms. There really is an extract of copperhead venom that can help cure cancer. That is a fact. And it is also fact that we are making many soecies of plants and animals extinct that could have cures for illnesses in them.
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I hate snakes, with a passion. This is how bad I hate snakes.....
One time I was fishing at a reservoir and saw a dead one......so I stomped on it and kicked it.....just to be sure.....I mean, I really went off on this thing.
Guy I was with says......what the HECK are you doing? It was already dead. I said.....I just had to be sure....:rofl
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Originally posted by McFarland
No, there really are cures for illnesses found in snake venoms. There really is an extract of copperhead venom that can help cure cancer. That is a fact. And it is also fact that we are making many soecies of plants and animals extinct that could have cures for illnesses in them.
So provide some sources ;)
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Originally posted by Elfie
I hate snakes, with a passion. This is how bad I hate snakes.....
One time I was fishing at a reservoir and saw a dead one......so I stomped on it and kicked it.....just to be sure.....I mean, I really went off on this thing.
Guy I was with says......what the HECK are you doing? It was already dead. I said.....I just had to be sure....:rofl
Ahhhhhh...the old Goin Postal snake Syndrome. :)
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Me sources: Cures in Venom (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/venomcure/).
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Hi Guys,
Just a couple of observations, from the pics it doesn't look like a Bull Snake - they have a far more profuse stripe pattern:
(http://www.pinesnake.de/images/sayi_Texas_2005.jpg)
It does look more like a Rattler:
(http://www.fish.state.pa.us/water/amprep/snake/rattlesnake/timber_yellow_phasex450.jpg)
Speaking of Rattlers, our Fourth of July fireworks display was ruined by one when it bit all three of our host's cats in the backyard before we were scheduled to leave for the display. The affected limbs and head all swelled up like balloons and running the cats to the vet made us late for the display at Ft. Bragg. In the end we were only able to watch from many miles away by the side of one of the roads leading to the post. I'm kind of past the gotta see the display age myself, but our children were disappointed. I have to admit to being very much in favor of hunting it down and killing it before it bit anything else.
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Hi Guys,
Just a couple of observations, from the pics it doesn't look like a Bull Snake - they have a far more profuse stripe pattern:
(http://www.pinesnake.de/images/sayi_Texas_2005.jpg)
It does look more like a Rattler:
(http://www.fish.state.pa.us/water/amprep/snake/rattlesnake/timber_yellow_phasex450.jpg)
Speaking of Rattlers, our Fourth of July fireworks display was ruined by one when it bit all three of our host's cats in the backyard before we were scheduled to leave for the display. The affected limbs and head all swelled up like balloons and running the cats to the vet made us late for the display at Ft. Bragg. In the end we were only able to watch from many miles away by the side of one of the roads leading to the post. I'm kind of past the gotta see the display age myself, but our children were disappointed. I have to admit to being very much in favor of hunting it down and killing it before it bit anything else.
- SEAGOON
IMHO, the first pic doesn't look like a rattler, just from the shape of the head. But who cares anyhow? Snakes don't attack people, it musta been your hosts imagination. Maybe you should refer them to McFarland.
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Just saw a pic of a 9' 1" timber rattler that weighted 97 pounds. He used to live around a house near a recreational lake 20 miles south of KC.
He was made into a good snake.
Impressive picture. Head the size of the guy's knee.
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Hi FBBone,
Originally posted by FBBone
IMHO, the first pic doesn't look like a rattler, just from the shape of the head. But who cares anyhow? Snakes don't attack people, it musta been your hosts imagination. Maybe you should refer them to McFarland.
Top picture is a bull snake, bottom is a Timber Rattler, I included them for comparison to the original "dead snake pics."
BTW - if your theory is right, our friends have an even bigger problem, namely that someone in the neighborhood who is very good at camouflage is going around injecting cats with venom using two syringes spaced barely a couple of inches apart. The fiend.
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mcfarland.. I have nothing against habitats (enclosed) or labs keeping snakes to research em for "cures". If they get out tho.. I am gonna kill em.
mostly what they are good for is making antitoxins to save your life when one the wild ones bites you or your child.
lazs
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Hi FBBone,
Top picture is a bull snake, bottom is a Timber Rattler, I included them for comparison to the original "dead snake pics."
BTW - if your theory is right, our friends have an even bigger problem, namely that someone in the neighborhood who is very good at camouflage is going around injecting cats with venom using two syringes spaced barely a couple of inches apart. The fiend.
Well, its not my theory, it's McFarlands fact. Also according to him, if it was snakes biting those cats they would've been eaten, after all snakes only kill what they can eat. Right McFarland??????????????:rolleyes:
I should have read your post a little more closely, BTW.
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I said they bite only in defence and for food. Not just for food. The cats may have tried to kill it, and it bit them to defend itself. Cats will often jump at anything that moves. It's why you can "play" with kittens by swinging a mouse on a string. But no, most wild snakes aren't even venomous, it's just that people think they are. Most snakes you run across aren't venomous, they just look like them to protect themselves. Granted, it's quite easy to tell them apart, but most people just say "Snake!!!!!" and pull the trigger. They don't really care one way or the other, they think all snakes are dangerous and evil. But garter snakes are good at getting rid of locusts (the flying grasshoppers that eat crops, not the thorny trees) and other ahrmfull insects, and they will eat small mice. Larger snakes, such as black snakes, bullsnakes, and hog-nosed snakes eat mice and rats, and keep their populations low or almost nonexistant. Copperheads and rattlesnakes eat mice, rabbits, rats, and other small, harmfull pests of crops. None of these snakes will chase people, and most will try to get out of your way. As you said, most snakes are caught and "milked" for their venom, to make anti venoms. But this is changing rapidly, as scientists study the components of the venoms, some of which can be used for medical purposes. Such as the compound in copperhead venom that is very good at stopping breast cancer from growing and spreading to other areas of the body. But many of the snakes that they get the venom from are wild caught, and then released. They don't keep many snakes in captivity, as it is much easier to collect them from the wild, milk the venom, and then release them. This keeps the cost of collecting the venom low, and thus the cost of the final product low. And it takes many snakes just to get a small amount of venom, and it takes a good amount of venom to get a small amount of the final product. So, most of the snakes they get the venom from are already "out".
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Its a Brown Recluse! Kill it!
oops , sry. wrong thread...kinda:rolleyes:
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macfarland thats a complete lie i have a friend who recently travlede to the east coast of america and was bitten by a timber rattlesnake while she was hiking she suffered severe wounds almost death and her hospital fees are in excess of 100,000 dollars.
i know a few poeple who have been bitten mainly friends in ca and they were all just hijing or sitting when atacked. and btw the standered anti venom and hospital stay will leave you with permamnant wounds some severe sometimes numbness of a limb and almost always hospital bills in excess of 100,000 dollars and thats if you live so how is a snake harmless again?
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heheh..I have " been attacked by cats"...????
More then once?....what are you lapping up the milk bowl from the ground?
lord have mercy thsi is funny
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For evenhaim: They were not bitten by copperheads. The venom of copperheads is very seldom fatal. As for timber rattlers, there are anti venoms available. And they usually aren't fatal either, but it does depend on the site of the bite and how it is treated. Did your friends constrict the area above the bite with a compression? Or try the false method of cutting the bite and trying to suck out the venom? Also, the antivenom can often cause problems, and be more dangerous than the bite itself. And did your friends watch what they were doing? And listen for the rattlers warning? Many people go hiking, but they are oblivious to nature, listening to tape cassetes and the like, and don't listen to the sounds around them. And you should never sit down or walk without watching what you are doing. Snakes don't hunt down people, it is more likely the snake was already there and your friends did not watch or listen to what was going on around them. That is why you pay attention when outdoors, not just go lumbering on, oblivous to everything around you. And you don't try to kill them, the majority of bites happen when people try to kill or pick up dead snakes. Snakes aren't out to get people, and will try to warn or get away when you come near. It's not a complete lie. Snakes will only bite in defence or for food. and if you are also referring to the medical portion of the post as a lie (if you read that far), then go here (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/venomcure/).
At BiGBMAW: No, I was not bothering the cats. And if you think it's funny, then talk to me little brother. He carries the scars a cat gave him when he was a baby. The cat just decided it didn't like him, and jumped on him and started biting and clawing him. And as for the other one that attacked me, it just jumped on me leg and grabbed hold, and starting trying to bite me. Lucky for me, it only broke the skin in a couple of places on me calf. I then kicked it from the back yard to the front, aboot 40 feet. Cats are very tempermental, they can be just fine one minute, and then biting and clawing the next.
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McFarland I have a proposal for you.
If you could possibly capture some of these demon cats in your area , without losing any lives, of course, I might possibly be willing to pay you for the service and handle the shipping.
I would like to have some of the original bloodline cats from around the area that you reside in to use for breeding stock in an attempt to produce a colony of attack cats for commercial and business purposes.
I figure considering the difference in food intake of the average cat in comparison to Dobies and Rotts I could offer security and guard services to business owners in my area at a considerable savings and just might corner the market for after hours guard services and such.
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Ok, these are just my opinions, your mileage may indeed vary (and you have every right to do so).
People have an unreasonable fear of snakes. Yes, venomous snakes can be dangerous, so can non-venomous snakes (anaconda especially). I treat snakes with respect, stay away from then as much as possible but dont fear them. I can understand why other people prefer to take no chances (hence boom = good snake), but prefer not to kill them unless I really really have to........which, so far, hasn't been required. As stated earlier in another thread, my FIL lives in CA, in the Mojave desert. We see rattlers, constrictors with regularity. He has dogs in the yard, who will bark at the rattlers, but have learnt not to approach them. We then go out, and either "chase" the snake off, or pin his head with a y shaped stick, grab him and invite it to leave the yard (normal drop off point is in a large brush pile away from the house. In the yard, there live 3 constrictors, not super large, not super small......no rodents in the yard tho. There are also scorpions, tarantula's etc wandering around at night. Anyway, I digress, snakes seem to bring out some sort of fear syndrome in a lot of people, which, in truth, isnt a bad thing, as it stops them getting bitten for mishandling etc. Mac is to an extent right, as are the other posters in this thread. Everyone has their own ways of dealing with snakes, who is to say which is the right one, and which is wrong? Everyone is tinged with different experiences etc, so points of view will always differ (which, imo, is a good thing, otherwise life would get very boring!!).
Wurzel
just my £0.02 (thats pence btw ;) )
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sheesh.. because the venom from snakes is only extremely painful and you only come close to dying most of the time and.. if you are constantly on the watch and you are a nature guide and spend all your time looking out for and identifying and running away from... snakes.
they are ok?
gpwurzel.. whos place are you throwing those snakes to? Not mine I hope. If you kill it then it can't come back and even better.. it can't make more poisonous little vipers.
lazs
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Nope, my FIL lives in the middle of nowhere, and I mean the middle of nowhere. The brush pile is around 500 yards from his house, and his nearest neighbour is a good mile or 2 away. We release them there as they have some cover than can go into. Its not that often they come into the yard, but my wife and I see them regularly when driving out to his place (when on vacation). As I said Laz, everyone views things differently, and have different experiences. My only phobia for instance, is of Hairdressers, ......bizarrely........I have no idea why, but I cant stand getting my hair cut, so its probably a good thing that I dont have much left....:lol
Wurzel
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For Lazs2: You're supposed to be constantly watching out, I've never seen a man survive for very long who wasn't. You never know what's around the next bend, it's best to be cautious and always alert. You live longer that way.
For Gpwurzel: That's one of the better posts I've seen on here. It is simple and straight forward, and well written.
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Yep... I would agree but.. no snakes.. one less thing to distract me.
you can't win.. I have admitted that the ugly creepy things can live in enclosed habitats and labs. If they have any worth then let the scientists find it.
They are obsolete... replaced at the only job they do well by domestic and feral cats who do it ten times better and with a fraction of the risk to humans.. you won't step on a poisonous cat by mistake... you won't even be able to sneak up on a cat.
lazs
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you won't even be able to sneak up on a cat.
That's a lie. I've done it several times.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
McFarland I have a proposal for you.
If you could possibly capture some of these demon cats in your area , without losing any lives, of course, I might possibly be willing to pay you for the service and handle the shipping.
I would like to have some of the original bloodline cats from around the area that you reside in to use for breeding stock in an attempt to produce a colony of attack cats for commercial and business purposes.
I figure considering the difference in food intake of the average cat in comparison to Dobies and Rotts I could offer security and guard services to business owners in my area at a considerable savings and just might corner the market for after hours guard services and such.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
i was in tears reading that !
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Originally posted by McFarland
And it did it to a uniformed officer.
:huh :O
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Originally posted by McFarland
For Gpwurzel: That's one of the better posts I've seen on here. It is simple and straight forward, and well written.
you thought it was better b/c it supported you :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
there are several other good posts in this thread...but you dont like them b/c they are against you:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
and...
dead snake = good snake...i have 2 cats which keep rodents down...and several other cats in my neighbor hood which have not savagely attacked me or put me in the hospitle :rolleyes:
i have nearly had my dog bit by a rattler ....so a good snake to me is a dead snake. They are definatly not going extinct :rolleyes:
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mcfarland.. if you snuck up on a cat then he let you.
admit it.. they are worthless and obsolete and downright creepy... creepy people like em.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
admit it.. they are worthless lazs
I'm not sure; a lot of Chinese restaurants used to serve them and people liked it. The government eventually cracked down on it but with the proper stir fry technique...........
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Toad, dammit, thats a clean shirt, desk, screen and keyboard you owe me now....:aok
Wurzel
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Originally posted by lazs2
mcfarland.. if you snuck up on a cat then he let you.
admit it.. they are worthless and obsolete and downright creepy... creepy people like em.
lazs
The heck he let me. Animals don't let you just sneak up on them. He didn't know I was there, till I grabbed hold of him, then he started clawing and biting, but I got him in the box, and took him down the road a few miles, and then let him out.
Worthless? The venom has been found to contain cures for illnesses from cancer to diabetes, and more. Obsolete? They've been around longer than cats, and they still do a better job. At least they eat most of what they catch. Creepy? Only if you think that. I don't see anything creepy aboot them. Most people don't. They aren't slimy, they don't carry many diseases, they control the rodent and other pest populations, and they don't make any noise. They can see very well in the dark, they can see heat, and they have very good smell.
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Originally posted by McFarland
The heck he let me. Animals don't let you just sneak up on them. He didn't know I was there, till I grabbed hold of him, then he started clawing and biting,
Mr kitty was probably sleeping(or not really giving a dam about you approaching).
you grab Mr kitty
Mr kitty bites and claws
sounds like you made Mr. kitty mad and he told you to in his way to leave him alone..
good job Mr.Kitty! :D :aok
and BTW,snakes have a habit of thinking where ever they are is there place,then if you try to get them out..they bite..
so BOOM...Good Snake :furious
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He sure wasn't sleeping. He was hunting something else. He knew I was after him, but he didn't know I was around at the time. The way to sneak up on anything is to be silent, slow, and use cover. Ask any indian.
and BTW,snakes have a habit of thinking where ever they are is there place,then if you try to get them out..they bite..
So do cats. In fact, I've never seen a snake that didn't try escaping before defending itself. Cats will just claw you when you reach down towards them, or bite. They don't always try to run.
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so how many people have been cured of anything by snake venom? If there is even one then ok... let em live in habitats (the snakes) and labs.
If a cat let you sneak up on it then it was a cat that was very comfortable around humans.
I like the fact that cats kill snakes tho. good kitty. If you are being attacked by cats then you are either a very strange guy with a strange idea of what being attacked is or...
cats are a better judge of character than I had previously thought.
the only time I worry about cat attacks is when I do cat juggling and even then.... good welding gloves will suffice to cut down on injury.
lazs
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Well, since you want to know, several people have. But since the cures are still being tested, they haven't seen widespread use yet. Although, the signs so far are good, as there have been no bad affects from the venom cures. So far, it has been nothing but good reports.
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Is several.... 2? is it certain that they would not have been "cured" without the venom?
Is 2 people saved every couple of decades worth all the people killed and injured by snakes every year?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
If a cat let you sneak up on it then it was a cat that was very comfortable around humans.
I like the fact that cats kill snakes tho. good kitty. If you are being attacked by cats then you are either a very strange guy with a strange idea of what being attacked is or...
cats are a better judge of character than I had previously thought.
the only time I worry about cat attacks is when I do cat juggling and even then.... good welding gloves will suffice to cut down on injury.
lazs
The cat didn't let me sneak up on it. It didn't know I was there. Cats aren't omniscient, and they can be snuck up on if you know how to. All animals can. As for me idea of what being attacked is: When an animal or person comes at you with the intent to maim or kill you. And you can't wear welding gloves over your legs, and blue jeans don't help very much.