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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hortlund on July 13, 2007, 10:37:01 AM
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One of the strangest stories Ive ever heard. The amazing part is that its true.
From the article.
WASHINGTON - A grand feast of marinated steaks and jumbo shrimp was winding down, and a group of friends was sitting on the back patio of a Capitol Hill home, sipping red wine. Suddenly, a hooded man slid in through an open gate and put the barrel of a handgun to the head of a 14-year-old guest.
"Give me your money, or I'll start shooting," he demanded, according to D.C. police and witness accounts.
The five other guests, including the girls' parents, froze -- and then one spoke.
"We were just finishing dinner," Cristina "Cha Cha" Rowan, 43, blurted out. "Why don't you have a glass of wine with us?"
The intruder took a sip of their Chateau Malescot St-Exupéry and said, "Damn, that's good wine."
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Then he tucked the gun into the pocket of his nylon sweatpants.
"I think I may have come to the wrong house," he said, looking around the patio of the home in the 1300 block of Constitution Avenue NE.
"I'm sorry," he told the group. "Can I get a hug?"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19740787/?GT1=10150
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With that, the man walked out with a crystal wine glass in hand, filled with Chateau Malescot. No one was hurt, and nothing was stolen.
Nothing was stolen yet the Rowan house hold is shy one crystal glass.
snif... snif...
I smell BS
Sounds like a group of people wanted a good story to tell.
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Cant be true. The homeowners did not have guns, so if the story was true they would have been dead. Just ask lazs :D
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Nothing was stolen yet the Rowan house hold is shy one crystal glass.
snif... snif...
I smell BS
Sounds like a group of people wanted a good story to tell.
Read the entire article, the glass was found in the alley behind the house, on the ground...unbroken.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
the glass was found in the alley behind the house, on the ground...unbroken.
Wheeeeew..........what a relief. :rofl
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Cant be true. The homeowners did not have guns, so if the story was true they would have been dead. Just ask lazs :D
People in D.C. don't have the right to bear arms.
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see, you don't need guns, just some nice glasses and expensive wine.
"i say my good fellow, care for some grey poopon?"
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Sorry, didn't get to the very end... should have.
Amazing to me that a home intruder would think to wipe the glass of fingerprints and leave no evidence save the hugs and good feelings of the party goers.
If only we could do this on the world stage...
kum by ya... kum by ya... I feel better already. anybody need a hug?
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Originally posted by Slash27
People in D.C. don't have the right to bear arms.
However, they do have the right to arm bears.
68ROX
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Originally posted by 68ROX
However, they do have the right to arm bears.
68ROX
Which is handy during civil unrest.
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What a way to get some good wine....:D
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Cant be true. The homeowners did not have guns, so if the story was true they would have been dead. Just ask lazs :D
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMFAO:rofl :rofl :aok
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good thing they weren't drinking schlitz.
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I wonder if Coach would have shared some of his Cab with the guy?
shamus
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I think we've just witnessed the birth of an urban legend.;)
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It couldn't have been a real gun because it's illegal to use a gun like that anywhere, and probably illegal for that person (comitting a felony) to own a gun. So it's just not possible. Gun bans are effective because it means it's impossible for criminals to have guns.
:rolleyes:
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Then again he may have looked around and saw how poor the folks were and realized he's get nothing of value. :rolleyes:
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What a crock of S)%^
Like some gang banger in his 20's would pull his hood down so everyone would be able to get a teary eyed view of him eating cheese and drinking wine at midnight during the summer.
Those DC types are so full of crap its unbelievable.
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Originally posted by Speed55
good thing they weren't drinking schlitz.
Ehh, do you have the recipee for that?
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*Rueters*
This just in.
The above intruder was filmed and audio recordings are available.
It appears the Intruder was dressed as a Sea Captain with an oviously bad looking curly beard of multiple colors and shades and spoke with a heavy Norweigen Accent. Officers also disclosed a scent of Lutefisk, a silly looking hat and a smirk.
Anyone knowing a person of this discripture are advised to report this to 1.800. SEA. NORG. All conversations will be anonymos.
A reward of trinkets and pieces of gold are offered.
Film at 11:00.
Hmmmmm....
No Clue here,
:D
Mac
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Originally posted by Angus
Ehh, do you have the recipee for that?
It used to be a beer company, but I think they went out of business.
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Just read the article... now I wanna go take a "Liberal" and just wipe my left cheek.
This is soo full of watermelon my dogs are whistling to be let out.
Where do they come up with crap like this?
:huh
Mac
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Originally posted by AWMac
*Rueters*
This just in.
The above intruder was filmed and audio recordings are available.
It appears the Intruder was dressed as a Sea Captain with an oviously bad looking curly beard of multiple colors and shades and spoke with a heavy Norweigen Accent. Officers also disclosed a scent of Lutefisk, a silly looking hat and a smirk.
Anyone knowing a person of this discripture are advised to report this to 1.800. SEA. NORG. All conversations will be anonymos.
A reward of trinkets and pieces of gold are offered.
Film at 11:00.
Hmmmmm....
No Clue here,
:D
Mac
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Yeah, this was staged.
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Just think, if they'd been standing around drinking Gallo they might all have ended up dead. If you truly love your children people, for heaven's sake don't buy cheap wine!
Hmmm... Must remember to put some excellent plonk on the night-stand so I can offer it to intruders at 2:00 AM. Thanks for the survival tip.
- SEAGOON
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The homeowner, Xavier Cervera, 45, had gone out to walk his dog at the end of the party and missed the incident, which happened about midnight June 16. Police classified the case as strange but true and said they had not located a suspect.
This is the "robber". He probably didn't have a gun nor a mask, they just made the whole thing up. Wine isn't going to stop an intruder from stealing things.
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WOW,
What a nice bad guy. Here in Detroit the bad guy WILL kill the kid first, then you. and take the whole bottle of wine.
Yea, I know, But if you don't live here you have no idea.
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Originally posted by Phaser11
WOW,
What a nice bad guy. Here in Detroit the bad guy WILL kill the kid first, then you. and take the whole bottle of wine.
Yea, I know, But if you don't live here you have no idea.
Well I for one am just happy I don't live in Detroit...and that I have no idea.
:)
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Originally posted by Slash27
People in D.C. don't have the right to bear arms.
Correct.
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Why rob people in Detroit when Bermuda has all these Mopeds hanging around?
1 trip to Bermuda, 800+ Mopeds and assorted chains... a trip back to USA and you can live well in the Bahamas.....
Oppps... never mind.
:D
Mac
I could even AstroTurf my Garage.
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Originally posted by Phaser11
WOW,
What a nice bad guy. Here in Detroit the bad guy WILL kill the kid first, then you. and take the whole bottle of wine.
Yea, I know, But if you don't live here you have no idea.
Ain't this the truth!
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LOL some of you are quite pathetic...
a criminal behaved in a way that I did not expect...the story must be a lie
The police has confirmed the story, thats all you need to know.
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The exception makes the rule?
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McFarland's most likely right. What kind of host takes off while he still has guests' at his home, just to walk the dog? Staged.
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Apollo 11 was staged, so could this.
:noid
The would-be robber was probably a congressman. I heard some of them moonlight sticking up convenience stores to keep up their skillz.
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It was probably someone from McCain's campaign trying to scrounge up some cash.
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Ehh, do you have the recipee for that?
Take one dirty bottle, fill it with piss, chill and enjoy your schlitz...
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Isn't it even more odd that someone was having a dinner/cookout at midnight? Just makes the story even more unbelieveable.
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When I saw the subject line I thought ~ what did he use ~ a bat, or a knife?
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I think that the important thing to note in the story is that...
There are very strict gun laws in DC that the law abiding must live by..
the psycho who invaded was armed.
The psycho was in complete control of the situation... it amused him to let them live and be unharmed.
If he wasn't in a whimsical mood... he would still control the situation.
he simply let the sheep go that time. Next week... may not have the same outcome... not even with all the same people involved.
He may still drink their wine but... only after the rape and murder is over.
lazs
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And the idiot was armed because it was easy enough for him to get his hands on a gun.
(runs and ducks for cover :D)
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And it's easy to get your hands on a gun precisely because that guy has no scrupules about doing what he did, with or without a gun.
What would the alternative to the second amendment be, Angus?
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And Im sure that the "intruder" hood and all when he left just blended in perfectly with the locals in the high end area too :rolleyes:
Either this was an inside job orrrr
this is a case of a bunch of people after drinking several short drinks telling a very tall tale
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How about deleting some amendments?
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:lol Starting with the Bill of Rights maybe?
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It is "easy enough" for any person to get any gun in any country. I could get any handgun I wanted in any country that has banned them.
lazs
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Originally posted by Slash27
People in D.C. don't have the right to bear arms.
They do now as of March 2007:
Divided three-judge D.C. Circuit panel holds that the District of Columbia's gun control laws violate individuals' Second Amendment rights: You can access today's lengthy D.C. Circuit ruling at this link.
According to the majority opinion, "[T]he phrase 'the right of the people,' when read intratextually and in light of Supreme Court precedent, leads us to conclude that the right in question is individual." The majority opinion sums up its holding on this point as follows:
To summarize, we conclude that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms. That right existed prior to the formation of the new government under the Constitution and was premised on the private use of arms for activities such as hunting and self-defense, the latter being understood as resistance to either private lawlessness or the depredations of a tyrannical government (or a threat from abroad). In addition, the right to keep and bear arms had the important and salutary civic purpose of helping to preserve the citizen militia. The civic purpose was also a political expedient for the Federalists in the First Congress as it served, in part, to placate their Antifederalist opponents. The individual right facilitated militia service by ensuring that citizens would not be barred from keeping the arms they would need when called forth for militia duty. Despite the importance of the Second Amendment's civic purpose, however, the activities it protects are not limited to militia service, nor is an individual's enjoyment of the right contingent upon his or her continued or intermittent enrollment in the militia.
The majority opinion also rejects the argument that the Second Amendment does not apply to the District of Columbia because it is not a State. And the majority opinion concludes, "Section 7-2507.02, like the bar on carrying a pistol within the home, amounts to a complete prohibition on the lawful use of handguns for self-defense. As such, we hold it unconstitutional."
Senior Circuit Judge Laurence H. Silberman wrote the majority opinion, in which Circuit Judge Thomas B. Griffith joined. Circuit Judge Karen LeCraft Henderson dissented.
http://pacer.cadc.uscourts.gov/docs/common/opinions/200703/04-7041a.pdf
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quote:Originally posted by Speed55
good thing they weren't drinking schlitz.
Originally posted by Angus
Ehh, do you have the recipee for that?
Take one horse.
Strap on one colostomy bag.......
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Originally posted by Hortlund
LOL some of you are quite pathetic...
a criminal behaved in a way that I did not expect...the story must be a lie
The police has confirmed the story, thats all you need to know.
They did?They interviewed the guy?
The link doesn't work anymore,but I don't believe a cop taking a police report is a confirmation of anything.It just means he wrote down what they said happened.
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Originally posted by lazs2
It is "easy enough" for any person to get any gun in any country. I could get any handgun I wanted in any country that has banned them.
lazs
Here is where you are wrong.
As a local, I'd have a very tough time getting my hands on one. As an outsider, I'd rather put my money you being arrested for the attempt before you had one.
As for money, it would cost you a lot anyway.....
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I gotta go with Angus on that too Lazs.
You'd end up approaching an undercover cop long before you'd get your gun of choice.
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Originally posted by Angus
Here is where you are wrong.
As a local, I'd have a very tough time getting my hands on one.
You don`t know the ropes. You move in the wrong circles. You feel that you are bound by the laws. The criminal who wants one can get one.....no matter where it is at.
As an outsider, I'd rather put my money you being arrested for the attempt before you had one.
Hehe. I`d take that bet myself if I could win a trip to Iceland at the next reset. :)
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why are there undercover cops in such a peaceful/ low crime island as Iceland?
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Originally posted by 68ROX
However, they do have the right to arm bears.
68ROX
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Originally posted by john9001
why are there undercover cops in such a peaceful/ low crime island as Iceland?
I wasn't referring to Iceland...I was referring to my home.
We have crime here....just very very little gun crime.
Lazs would end up getting locked up for 20 years before he got his hands on his gun of choice. If he wanted to make one...or take whatever was available...then he "might" be able to get his hands on a gun. He said he could get whatever he wanted...hinting "whenever" he wanted it.
He is wrong on this point.
If you'll pay half his airfare I'll pay the other half and we can try it out.
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Originally posted by Curval
We have crime here....just very very little gun crime.
what does that mean, you were robbed by a criminal armed with a knife instead of a gun?
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Originally posted by john9001
what does that mean, you were robbed by a criminal armed with a knife instead of a gun?
Where did I say "I" was robbed?
I said we have crime...but very little gun crime. Why is that so hard to understand? Are knives used?...yes, sometimes.
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Originally posted by Curval
Where did I say "I" was robbed?
I said we have crime...but very little gun crime. Why is that so hard to understand? Are knives used?...yes, sometimes.
the weapon of choice is a cricket bat.:D
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Jackal, I do not know the ropes in our underworld. There are dealers, but there are also squealers.....
The cops sweep up lots of stuff, usually drug related. Some .22's and 12 gauges, but very very little handguns.
Mostly knives and clubs though...
I think I could get a handgun here though, - with lots of planning and a ton of money.
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Originally posted by Angus
I think I could get a handgun here though, - with lots of planning and a ton of money.
I think I could too....here. I have a few friends in low places.
But why on earth would I even try? Risk 20 years in jail just for having it on my possession? Ruin my career, my marriage, my kid's potential education, my kids lives without a father growing up?....no flipping thanks.
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Originally posted by Shamus
I wonder if Coach would have shared some of his Cab with the guy?
shamus
With one clarification yes.
The bottle over his head :D
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you are missing the point angus and curval.. even in your "almost a countries" I could easily get a handgun. you may not but I could.
I would not tho since... I am not a criminal and have no criminal need for one in your country. I would not try because the penalties are so high.
If you could grant me immunity from prosecution and pay my way over I would be glad to prove it to you.. I would be glad to turn over said handgun if you paid the expense I incurred getting it.
There are plenty of handguns in your country to be had. You must at least admit that? in other countries with strict handgun laws that are not quite so isolated as yours.. there are even more... they are fairly swimming in them.
worst case scenario... if I needed a handgun I could make it. I could turn your perfectly legal shotguns and rifles into handguns.
lazs
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No, there are not "plenty" here. I'm sure there are some...but I ASSSURE you that plenty is not the case. The risk is too great....even for the hard core crimminals. If there were "plenty" it would stand to reason that they would be used...right? What is the point of being a crimminal, with crimminal intensions, and being armed...but not using the gun during crimes?
You must be talking to Angus re shotguns/rifles. They are illegal here also.
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curval... not really.. even taken into account the uniqueness of your almost a country... you are a tiny little tourist island... like a larger version of say... disneyland but..
here is how it works... If the penalties are high then the crooks won't take the risk unless they have to.
They don't have to.. in countries where the citizens are unarmed... all they have to do is have the strength to overpower... and why not? nothing the helpless citizen can do except cower and shiver...
If they plan on going against cops or armed confrontation or the reward for efficiency is high... they will take the risk and use a firearm.
The fact that the citizens are helpless and crooks don't need guns to terrorize them is not doing your arguement about there being good gun laws much of a service.
The very best of both worlds is of course to simply let everyone be armed but to use the extreme penalties that you seem comfortable with only for crime/missuse of firearms.
lazs
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Originally posted by Curval
I think I could too....here. I have a few friends in low places.
But why on earth would I even try? Risk 20 years in jail just for having it on my possession? Ruin my career, my marriage, my kid's potential education, my kids lives without a father growing up?....no flipping thanks.
Exactly the point. You are burdened with being a law abiding citizen. Criminals have no such restraints. The only thing that is being taken away by overly zealous hand gun laws are your right to the means for protection from them......and a pretty good step in denying your rights period.The professional criminal could give a hoop and good GD for any laws, even if they print them on a wholesale basis. Punishment, if caught is a way of life. A given if caught and considered worth the risk. If I were going to be in a profession such as that , you can bet your granny`s honor I would be armed. What would be more of a consideration for me and a big draw back would be the possibility that those I was making my way of life from would be armed in order to stop me. I`d just start smuggling guns to Iceland instead. :)
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Whatever works for me and my country works for me. I don't expect you to understand...you can't.
Just please stop telling me what you could do here when you have absolutely no idea. Unlike the UK...where one visit was enough to make you an expert on their laws and customs...you haven't been here.
I cannot offer you immunity from prosecution, but I'd be fascinated to watch you try and get a gun here.
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Originally posted by Slash27
People in D.C. don't have the right to bear arms.
Not true... DC residents can own a rifle or shot gun... just no hand guns.
Nothing was stolen yet the Rowan house hold is shy one crystal glass.
Oh and police found the glass 2 blocks away.
This has been all over the news here... it cracks me up.
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Originally posted by Curval
I think I could too....here. I have a few friends in low places.
But why on earth would I even try? Risk 20 years in jail just for having it on my possession? Ruin my career, my marriage, my kid's potential education, my kids lives without a father growing up?....no flipping thanks.
Exactly.
And since there is no allowance for conceiled carry, the carrier is already a felon.
While a bigger, albeit bulkier, but then more VISIBLE THREAT is legal for keeping home.
Do you want the burgler to :
1. See you with a gun and get him too surrender on the spot while peeing his panths.
2. See no gun and try his luck in which case you draw and shoot him
3. Just die from your gun.
4. Carry a quick one and have you first.
All a matter of ...taste? :huh
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And Jacka1:
"Hehe. I`d take that bet myself if I could win a trip to Iceland at the next reset."
Just buy yourself a trip. Leave the gun at home, since you won't need any. Come over, I will make you a good deal on B&B with internet, and you can fly AH all night with open doors.
Try the handgun sceme and you may have free B&B also, for a period you may not decide yourself though :D
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I think that almost anyone will admit that the almost a countries of iceland and bermuda are pretty darn unique. even so... if the profit was enough I would flood your country with guns..
angus says that he just shoots the darn burglars... curval would take away angus's guns..
we just shoot...or.. more likely point guns at muggers on the street and they go away.
angus would take our guns away... I believe our laws are unconstitutional and way too strict...
angus thinks ours are way too lax and his are just right.
curval thinks angus should have his guns taken away and put in prison if he tries to get more of the ones he has now.
criminals will always want the upper hand and always use whatever force they need to.
criminals love unarmed victims. why do they even need a gun? criminals are young and in good shape and enjoy hurting people or... at least have no bias against hurting people.
two or three could easily go into curvals house and torture and slaughter the whole family if they thought there was a profit and a way to get out of disneyland island.
angus would shoot em with a shotgun or long gun... very effective.. unless he was at a motel or on the road or in a bad section of town stopped at a stop light and then he would simply be a helpless victim... if not him... he may be able to fight back but... can his wife or parents or other infirm citizens that criminals love to prey on?
To say that you don't need a firearm against criminals or tyrants is the same as saying you have good motorist laws and you are licensed to drive so there is no chance you will ever be in a wreck.
You are kidding yourself... and you are kidding yourself over something that is very important. anyone who have ever been the victim of or stopped a violent crime knows this..
lazs
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I said nothing...absolutely NOTHING of the sort lazs.
I have repeatedly stated that gun control would never work in the US. I don't have an opinion on whether it works or would work in Iceland.
It works well, so far, here.
That is it. That is all I have to say and ever have had to say.
Please stop putting words in my mouth and making grand assumptions about somewhere you've never been and know nothing about.
Thanks.
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"I say....I say...I say son. That ain`t no chicken." :)
Angus standby. I`m still working on getting HT to change the reset win trip from Hawaii to Iceland. ;)
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HT or HTC???
Anyway, I'm not paying. And if you threaten me with a handgun, I will have your arse handed to you in AHII H2H for a day!
And Lazs....to get an opinion on your ranting text, if me or Curval want to buy a gun, we probably can.
Would I take your guns away if I was Prez? Probably not. They're already all over the place, those will never be taken jus so...So If I wanted less in the circulation, I'd maybe start with some barriers, say like not ANYONE, FEDERALLY, being able to get ANYTHING in a WHIFF....?
As for me shooting burglars, - well, I doubt I would, and they wouldn't have to break in anyway :D
But somebody toting a gun, walking up the stairs is in trouble. Avoidable if it's small enough to hide though...
Get the point?
And Curval, - works here too. And above is my speculation about the USA, silly as it may look. But I sure think that the one Western nation with both the highest serious crime rate as well as way highest guncrime (with guncrime subtracted, the rest is actually in the ballpark) should not be making fun of European states in which the gunlaw and the related crime go hand in hand.
:rolleyes:
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angus... I most certainly do get the point... you want to be able to defend your home with a firearm. You also think that it is fine so long as it is you doing it and your choice of firearms is the correct one but anyone else... well.. that will have to be determined.
You would not be happy with curvals gun laws just as I would not be happy with yours.
curval would not want you to have one in his land. he claims it is not needed there. so why is it needed where you live?
why is one country more violent than another... why is one race more violent than another?
Who cares really... if you live in a country that is large and vibrant and has a large population of races that are more violent then you would be dumb to not want to defend yourself.
You would be wrong and racist to simply pass jim crow laws that forbade nothing but say white people from having guns..
I guess that we can say that overall... your gun laws work for you most of the time.
If there is a breakdown tho.. you are just screwed.. for instance... if you are at a motel and the door is kicked in or you are in an alley in a strange place that is dangeous... you are just screwed. You need to admit that and admit that you don't mind the helpless being victims from time to time so long as it is not you or... not a large percent.
lazs
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Your concern for my, and Angus' safety is cute and fund.
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my concern is not for your safety so much as for the right of your fellow citizens to choose. They may be a little more logical than you or have not quite as good a situation or.. are unable to ignore facts and odds.
I fully support your right to choose to be armed or not. I do not support your idea that you have the right to tell others what is best for them.
If you think it is your right then you are the enemy. There can be no compromise. I think that those who would disarm me are every bit as evil as those who would vote to allow pedophiles the freedom to go about their activities.
lazs
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LOL
You must think I am a very powerful guy here....I'm a small fish in a small pond. What makes you think I tell anyone anything about what they can and cannot do? It is the LAW lazs, and I'm not even a lawyer.
I have had conversations with many locals as a result of our discussions on these boards. Without exception they think you, and many others like you, are completely NUTS thinking that guns should be made freely available on this island.
This kind of thinking is completely alien to you, but that is because you were born and raised in the US. This is not the US.
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Originally posted by Angus
HT or HTC???
HT himself. I am awaiting the shipment of scotch and Garmin products now for bribery purposes. Upon arrival, myself and Pinky will put this devious plot into motion. I think you know what comes next...............the world. :)
And if you threaten me with a handgun
Those who threaten with a handgun are the ones in a no win situation..............unless of course you happen to be located in an area where the government has taken away the right of it`s population to stand on equal ground. In that case it usualy works in their favor.
I will have your arse handed to you in AHII H2H for a day!
That`s an interesting theory. :)
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Had this discussion elsewhere on the net, my thoughts on it.........My wife and I are considering moving to California (my wife is an American Citizen, and wants to be closer to her dad!!). Depending on where we move to, would I make provision (within the law) to arm myself? If we moved to somewhere in a city, with a known crime problem - probably yes. If we moved to a town with a lesser known crime problem, probably no. If we remain in the desert with her father - definitely!. I know it seems strange, but my wifes father lives so far from the nearest town (over an hour) that it would take the law too long to come out and rescue us (if anything really dramatic would take place - so I'd be carrying).
Whilst this may seem extreme to some of you, I'd have no difficulty in protecting those I love - including shooting whomever was attacking them. Unlike in the UK, handguns are legally acquirable in the states - convicted felons are however banned from having them (not that that stops them) As a point of interest, when handguns were banned in the UK, the amount of crime carried out with them has actually gone up, way up in fact. I could walk out of my house, into a pub reasonably local, and walk out with a pistol and live ammo within 15 mins (not that I would - but could).
Do I agree with the handgun ban - no, not really - it removed pistols from general circulation yes, but also provided a means of terrorising the civilian population of the UK to the criminals - who think nothing of carrying weapons. Would I have a handgun in the UK, legal or otherwise - no, bit of overkill, as the police can be here within 10 mins......would I have a handgun in the US - if required, as detailed above, yes.
Oh and personal preference, a nice glock or a sig sauer - thank you please.
Wurzel
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curval... I will not disagree with you and say that people you know want guns. They most likely do not.
I think that it is arrogant of you to think that you know everyone on the island tho. In my opinion... if even one person wanted a gun then you have no right to say he can't have one.
If.. as you say... I don't understand your country... and no sane adult there wants a gun....
Why do you even need gun laws? See.. you make no sense.
I would also say that if a lot of the people you talked to got a chance to be around guns they might have some perspective.
I would also say that 90% of the people you talked to... if they happened to be victims of a strong arm attack that (god forbid) injured or killed their family would have a completely different viewpoint than they now hold.
I would venture to say that at that point... they would see you as the enemy.
lazs
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gp... I know at least three families who are brit transplants and two live out in the country.
Their ideas about guns have done a 180... they get a perverse delight they say in showing visiting brits their "gun collections" especially the handguns. They are embarassed by their former ignorant attitudes about firearms and realize that the attitudes were from propoganda and... the fact that they really were against something that they had no first hand experiance with.
It is easy to see even here... US citizens who get all their info from the TV or newspapers and have lived in large cities for generations are just as ignorant and just as phobic about guns..
US citizens who have lived around guns are not phobic.... you will lose your state sponsored and ingrained phobia too... the more rural.. the more you are around nature.. the more you understand about survival and freedom.
lazs
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I dont have a phobia about weapons Laz, never have had. The way this country is run hower, people are getting indoctrinated into thinking guns themselves are dangerous (they are, but require human interaction to work/kill). I say I'd probably get a handgun etc once we move over, but that sorta depends on my wife, as she's quite anti firearms - it'll probably depend on where we move to. If we do end up moving to her dads (unless its only for a short period of time), I am getting at least a 9mm (discussion over..lol...).......
Wurzel
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Tell you what lazs. You worry about your country and I'll worry about mine. From the looks of all the threads I've read here recently about a number of issues you have a whole lot more to worry about than I do.
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curval allow me to point out once again that europeans are far more versed in Americana than Americans ourselves. ;)
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Allow me to point out that they are therefore generally better educated. ;)
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Originally posted by Curval
Allow me to point out that they are therefore generally better educated. ;)
Oh I have to!
No STAY AWAY.
ok.....
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Originally posted by Phaser11
Oh I have to!
No STAY AWAY.
ok.....
Are you telling me to stay away from America?
If so, why?
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Originally posted by Curval
Allow me to point out that they are therefore generally better educated. ;)
:lol allow me to point out we don't concern ourselves with the light work ;)
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Originally posted by storch
:lol allow me to point out we don't concern ourselves with the light work ;)
Perhaps that's why you guys don't seem to learn from your mistakes internationally and charge head-long into things you don't understand?
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Originally posted by Curval
Perhaps that's why you guys don't seem to learn from your mistakes internationally and charge head-long into things you don't understand?
uhh..wait now.. ummm... who was it..um.. that said only mad dogs and english enter boldly where angels fear to tread?
could it just be that those without power naturally rail against those that do have it and that certain elements within these powerful societies naturally side with the weaker ones at the expense of that same society?
point out to me the errors in my thinking but if you piss me off out come the short jibes. :D
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I'm not railing at anything and I can't point out your errors because I have no idea what you are trying to say, other than "You are nothing and I'm an American and all powerful."
I really don't need to point out the error in that type of thinking. It speaks for itself.
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where did I say you were nothing?
where did I say I'm American and all powerful?
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Lazs, - may I point out, - again, that I own and can own more, - enough guns to gun you down, even from far?
Just nothing that fits my pocket.
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Originally posted by storch
could it just be that those without power [I assume you are talking about Bermuda/Iceland/Euros...if not then who?] naturally rail against those that do have it [I assume you mean the United States...if not then who?]and that certain elements within these powerful societies[I assume you mean the US...if not who?] naturally side with the weaker ones[I assume you mean Bermuda/Iceland/Euros...if not who?] at the expense of that same society?
Storch...see the square brackets in your quote above.
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Originally posted by Curval
Storch...see the square brackets in your quote above.
sheesh you take things so personally, I mean it's not like I said....er....um never mind :D
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Originally posted by Curval
Are you telling me to stay away from America?
If so, why?
Oh heavens no! Come on over and visit. It was my inner self fighting to put a comment about your comment about other comments.
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Originally posted by storch
sheesh you take things so personally, I mean it's not like I said....er....um never mind :D
lol
You asked a question...I answered why I had made the assumptions. Now I'm taking it personally?
Honestly, my 3 year old debates more logically and adult-like than you sometimes.
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your three year old what?
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Originally posted by Angus
Lazs, - may I point out, - again, that I own and can own more, - enough guns to gun you down, even from far?
Just nothing that fits my pocket.
Rifles and shotguns don't work as well as pistols at close range. In the event of a house intruder, you would most likely be close enough that he would grab the barrel of your gun and point it away from himself, and then with his other hand pull out his pistol and shoot you. Short barrels work wonders in close combat. And they can be drawn much quicker.
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Originally posted by storch
your three year old what?
Daughter.
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really?
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Originally posted by McFarland
Rifles and shotguns don't work as well as pistols at close range. In the event of a house intruder, you would most likely be close enough that he would grab the barrel of your gun and point it away from himself, and then with his other hand pull out his pistol and shoot you. Short barrels work wonders in close combat. And they can be drawn much quicker.
Well, actually the possibility of harming a snake with the short barrel is about equal. So maybe I get the ultimate home defence weapon, - a short 1/2 inch hosepipe, - 1 foot.
See, it will break any raised arm like a twig.
:D
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A perfect home defence could also be a bundle of house-trained rattlers in the hall, at night, muhahahaha.
Or spoiled and cuddly pythons along with some furry housecats who jump people?
Personally I prefer dogs...
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I prefer dogs myself. And pistols. And rifles/shotguns for long range shots, such as someone who ran out the door.
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Originally posted by Angus
A perfect home defence could also be a bundle of house-trained rattlers in the hall, at night, muhahahaha.
Or spoiled and cuddly pythons along with some furry housecats who jump people?
Personally I prefer dogs...
:rofl
Stop it . I can only afford so much Windex and paper towels.
:aok
shotguns for long range shotss
Friggen hilarious.
McFarselandism. :)
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You don't know how far a shotgun with a modified choke will shoot, do you? The pellets don't spread as much with a modified choke, I've shot squirrels with mine that were over 100 - 150 yards away.
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Originally posted by McFarland
I prefer dogs myself. And pistols. And rifles/shotguns for long range shots, such as someone who ran out the door.
Just use a shovel, man. Chase 'em down and beat 'em to death with it then bury 'em with it. Awesome!
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Originally posted by McFarland
You don't know how far a shotgun with a modified choke will shoot, do you? The pellets don't spread as much with a modified choke, I've shot squirrels with mine that were over 100 - 150 yards away.
a modified choke will put about 60% of the pellets within a 30" circle at 40 yds.
There isn't much data published about 100 yd scatter as the typical effective range of a shotgun is about 50 yds.
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Well, I know I hit squirrels at 100 - 150 yards, and it did a pretty good job. Although, I also had the choke specially made for long range shots from a friend.
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Originally posted by McFarland
You don't know how far a shotgun with a modified choke will shoot, do you? The pellets don't spread as much with a modified choke, I've shot squirrels with mine that were over 100 - 150 yards away.
Yah, right.
If you can consistently kill squirrels at 100 yards away using even #5's out of a modified choke, I'll buy you a case of your favorite beverage.
You may luck out now and then but there's no way a 12 gauge with a modified is regularly killing them at 100 yards, let alone 150.
Did you mean to say feet instead of yards?
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Originally posted by McFarland
Although, I also had the choke specially made for long range shots from a friend.
Why are you getting long range shots from a friend?
With friends like that,...
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Originally posted by McFarland
Well, I know I hit squirrels at 100 - 150 yards, and it did a pretty good job. Although, I also had the choke specially made for long range shots from a friend.
I cry "BS" on this one! Sometimes you just crack me up. Where do you come up with this stuff? :lol :lol :lol
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His family has been working on guns and other things for quite some time. I'm not sure how far the shot will go, or what it's spread pattern is, but I know it works for hitting squirrels at that range. And other things. He made a rifle for a person here while back, takes special shells. He shot it once, it hit the target at 250 yards dead on. If there's one thing he knows, it's guns.
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Originally posted by FBBone
I cry "BS" on this one! Sometimes you just crack me up. Where do you come up with this stuff? :lol :lol :lol
From things I've seen and done. That isn't a lie, it really hits squirrels at 100-150 yards. I haven't tried it on targets, I'm not sure how far it would go.
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Toad don't waste your time on him, that blivet has no limit to his "product".
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Some people are like a Slinky: Not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs. - Maverick's signiture
This applies to Maverick.
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Originally posted by Toad
Yah, right.
If you can consistently kill squirrels at 100 yards away using even #5's out of a modified choke, I'll buy you a case of your favorite beverage.
You may luck out now and then but there's no way a 12 gauge with a modified is regularly killing them at 100 yards, let alone 150.
Did you mean to say feet instead of yards?
mossberg 835 full choke #4 shot magnum cartridges 80 yards max. at 100 yds+ we hit the dogs to get their attention and return with #4 shot, it doesn't break the skin.
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Yeah but you don't have a hillbilly gunsmith who can make a rifle that will hit stuff at (gasp) 250 yards!
lazs
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Originally posted by McFarland
You don't know how far a shotgun with a modified choke will shoot, do you? The pellets don't spread as much with a modified choke, I've shot squirrels with mine that were over 100 - 150 yards away.
I just use my special pea shooter I had specialy made by Squirrel Safari Inc.
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Originally posted by McFarland
From things I've seen and done. That isn't a lie, it really hits squirrels at 100-150 yards. I haven't tried it on targets, I'm not sure how far it would go.
Well, unless you're using slugs, with a scope, out of a rifled barrel, I still Say BS!! Unless you were standing 300-450 feet above said squirrel and dropped it on him, then I could see it happening.
Originally posted by McFarland
His family has been working on guns and other things for quite some time. I'm not sure how far the shot will go, or what it's spread pattern is, but I know it works for hitting squirrels at that range. And other things.
Care to share any specifics on what kind of load (other than BS) you use for that?:rolleyes:
Originally posted by McFarland
He made a rifle for a person here while back, takes special shells. He shot it once, it hit the target at 250 yards dead on. If there's one thing he knows, it's guns.
Really???? 250 yards!!!:O with "special" shells???:O :O WOW!!!!! Did he notify the local press, and possibly Guinness World Records?:rolleyes:
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Mcfarland has stumbled onto the most rightwing BBS I have ever visited, poor fellow.
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Well, one thing is certain: he did manage to destroy the tiny remnants of any credibility he had, using a shotgun that can kill squirrels at 150 yards.
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Originally posted by Toad
Well, one thing is certain: he did manage to destroy the tiny remnants of any credibility he had, using a shotgun that can kill squirrels at 150 yards.
I dont even think I could see a squirrel at 150 yards, let alone shoot one with a shotgun. As far as I remember I think I was told about 20 years ago that 80yards was a stretch and that was #4 shot, 3" shells, modified choke and a 28" barrel
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Oh I'm sure that blivet would make that shot with his special 410 supermagnum shotgun with the custom home built choke that gives a 5" pattern at 150 yards firing 4.6 inch double #8 shells all the while hunting squirrels in a dense forest where 150 yard shots are common. At least in between shooting kids that trespass and or steal fishing rods and skateboards from his lawn, just to teach them a lesson.
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^ All the while with a timber rattler sleeping in his vest pocket.
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Yes, I did shoot downhill, I standing on top of the ridge, where there aren't many trees. The squirrel was down the hill aboot 100-150 yards, in the top of a tree. As for specifics of the load, I'm not sure. I'll ask me friend who made it. I know it kicks like everything, it knocked me little brother down when he fired it. And he aint no little thing, either. As far as the pellets in it, it has pellets about the size of .22 cal rifle bullets. Five of them spaced equally around the barrel, and one in the center, only one layer of them. And as for the rifle hitting the target at 250 yards, I don't mean it hit in the circle, it hit exact center.
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Anyone know where they are running a special on hip waders? I think we need them. :)
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I haven't seen a pile this high since the Voss thread.
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Originally posted by McFarland
Yes, I did shoot downhill, I standing on top of the ridge, where there aren't many trees. The squirrel was down the hill aboot 100-150 yards, in the top of a tree. As for specifics of the load, I'm not sure. I'll ask me friend who made it. I know it kicks like everything, it knocked me little brother down when he fired it. And he aint no little thing, either. As far as the pellets in it, it has pellets about the size of .22 cal rifle bullets. Five of them spaced equally around the barrel, and one in the center, only one layer of them. And as for the rifle hitting the target at 250 yards, I don't mean it hit in the circle, it hit exact center.
please stop my sides hurt
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Dear cod! Now he's shooting six pellets of 4Buck (.24 caliber) and reliably killing squirrels at 100-150 yards?
He must have a PhD in shooting... Piled higher & Deeper.
A 12 Ga 2 3/4" usually has about 27 pellets (Remington); but your custom load has 6 pellets?
Do you have ANY idea how large a pattern those 6 would make at 100 yards? How utterly unlikely it is that one would hit the squirrel? 50 yards is considered max range for a coyote with #4 Buck.
There's a test on the web the shows the number of hits on a FULL SIZE humanoid target for #4 Buck at 75 yards with a 27 pellet load, cylinder bore. The hits at 75 yards were termed "marginal".
3 hits; with 27 pellets on a human-size target.
Here (http://www.frfrogspad.com/shotgun.htm)
Again, bring your shotgun up here. If you can kill squirrels reliably at 150 yards with it, I'll buy you a case of Scotch.
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toad,
I'm sure McFarland's 150m squirrel kill was with #4 birdshot which is IIRC about .13 cal and not the far more dense #4 buckshot. get with the program bud. :D
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As far as the pellets in it, it has pellets about the size of .22 cal rifle bullets. Five of them spaced equally around the barrel, and one in the center, only one layer of them.
Closest thing to .22 is 4 Buck.
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Originally posted by Toad
Closest thing to .22 is 4 Buck.
ya it is
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I killed a squirrel at 70 yards with a 30.06 once. Hey, I sat in that tree for about 2 hours at about 10 degrees fahrenheit. I was cold and bored.
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I saw a squirrel do back flips once, I think he was playing with his nuts
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A squirrel bit my sister once.
No realli! She was Karving her initials on the squirrel with the sharpened end of an interspace toothbrush...
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I have a Knight and Hale squirrel call. It makes the squirrels behind my house laugh but it drives my dogs to a murderous frenzy, which makes me laugh.
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I can make a sound that drives cows mad. They will actually raise their tails and go on the gallop!
(A friend of mine discovered this, and we later found a text about this in a book from the 1940's or so)
I will not submit the sound.