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Title: Dogfights.
Post by: VansCrew1 on July 13, 2007, 10:43:28 AM: The new season of DogFights starts tonight at 9pm(est).It's a two hour show.It's about the japanese Kamikaze.

Just incase you did not know :aok .
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Krusty on July 13, 2007, 10:55:23 AM: :confused: :huh

I can see it now....

"Freeze frame: The ship is here. The kamikaze is here. Now he can't go there, because there's water. He can't go up or he misses his target. He points his nose at the ship *here*

Arrows draw on sreen:

And firewalls it, exploding into the ship."

:huh :huh

Am I missing something? How is that a good episode?
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: dedalos on July 13, 2007, 11:10:56 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Krusty
:confused: :huh

I can see it now....

"Freeze frame: The ship is here. The kamikaze is here. Now he can't go there, because there's water. He can't go up or he misses his target. He points his nose at the ship *here*

Arrows draw on sreen:

And firewalls it, exploding into the ship."

:huh :huh

Am I missing something? How is that a good episode?

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

And the next day we will see people trying it in AH. Will they have any more lesons on HOs?
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: 5PointOh on July 13, 2007, 11:15:57 AM: Maybe we should ask for that in the next patch---kamikaze damage to ships. Better yet, just tell all the squeakers that it works!:aok
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: LYNX on July 13, 2007, 11:16:24 AM: Quote
Originally posted by dedalos
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

And the next day we will see people trying it in AH. Will they have any more lesons on HOs?

What you mean next day. You mean next time a Rook cv is of a Bish base surly. :confused:
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: DoLbY on July 13, 2007, 12:03:05 PM: Quote
Originally posted by 5PointOh
Maybe we should ask for that in the next patch---kamikaze damage to ships. Better yet, just tell all the squeakers that it works!:aok

:D :aok :rofl
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: ForrestS on July 13, 2007, 12:17:27 PM: I plan on watching it
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Nefarious on July 13, 2007, 12:30:36 PM: It will end just in time for FSO :)
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: P47Gra on July 13, 2007, 02:01:31 PM: Quote
Originally posted by 5PointOh
Maybe we should ask for that in the next patch---kamikaze damage to ships. Better yet, just tell all the squeakers that it works!:aok

WTG dude give another idea to the HTC staff. Please disregaurd 5PointOh's last transmission. It was garbled and definitely unreadable!:rofl
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: uberhun on July 13, 2007, 02:09:30 PM: Woo Hoo!
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i170/Dablues/thkamikaze.jpg)
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Spikes on July 13, 2007, 02:55:26 PM: Quote
Originally posted by dedalos
Will they have any more lesons on HOs?

Point your nose at his nose, wave bye bye. Fire all guns. Collide with each other. Die.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Spikes on July 13, 2007, 02:56:18 PM: Quote
Originally posted by 5PointOh
Better yet, just tell all the squeakers that it works!:aok

but they already believe us...
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: whels on July 13, 2007, 02:57:31 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Krusty
:confused: :huh

I can see it now....

"Freeze frame: The ship is here. The kamikaze is here. Now he can't go there, because there's water. He can't go up or he misses his target. He points his nose at the ship *here*

Arrows draw on sreen:

And firewalls it, exploding into the ship."

:huh :huh

Am I missing something? How is that a good episode?

OOpps Kamakazi explodes prematurely. Kill credit Whels
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: RedTop on July 13, 2007, 04:00:32 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Krusty
:confused: :huh

I can see it now....

"Freeze frame: The ship is here. The kamikaze is here. Now he can't go there, because there's water. He can't go up or he misses his target. He points his nose at the ship *here*

Arrows draw on sreen:

And firewalls it, exploding into the ship."

:huh :huh

Am I missing something? How is that a good episode?

:rofl Not sure why...but I have coffee on screen after that. I could hear that dang voice to.
Title: Re: Dogfights.
Post by: Masherbrum on July 13, 2007, 04:18:18 PM: Quote
Originally posted by VansCrew1
The new season of DogFights starts tonight at 9pm(est).It's a two hour show.It's about the japanese Kamikaze.

Just incase you did not know :aok .
I started the first thread last year, and noticed how most of one's that watched it, would use the show as a basis for their "entire being in the MA".

Also, had you SEARCHED, you'd have known you were 2 weeks late.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Krusty on July 13, 2007, 04:40:33 PM: Quote
Originally posted by RedTop
:rofl Not sure why...but I have coffee on screen after that. I could hear that dang voice to.

I caught an older rerun last saturday/friday... It was in my head as I was typing that narrative. I guess I got it right! :D
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: CAP1 on July 13, 2007, 06:11:13 PM: they canceled it because the ENY got too high
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Laurie on July 13, 2007, 06:39:44 PM: 5 inchers buckle up and look for derranged zekes strafing CV's this weekend only, July special.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: ozrocker on July 13, 2007, 06:42:26 PM: I still hear squeakers yelling that"You should use the Mosquito, it's made of wood and the radar can't see it" Of course they saw the Mossie episode (as I did) a few weeks ago.
Oz
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: DoLbY on July 13, 2007, 06:52:51 PM: Speaking of ships and dogfights - just got done watching the ''sink the bismarck' one
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Nangleator on July 13, 2007, 07:02:15 PM: That show is done by a guy on my LightWave 3D board, so I'm interested in it for two reasons.

But dammit, they really need to stop trying to teach ACM to 18 year-old morons. We watch these shows, okay? We understand some of this stuff, okay? Don't talk down to us so much!

Why does every episode fail to assume we've learned from the last one? They should be advancing the level of commentary. Maybe get a Top Gun instructor to write the scripts or something. Geez.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Blooz on July 13, 2007, 07:59:19 PM: 1 minute!
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Blooz on July 13, 2007, 08:15:10 PM: Haven't seen any kamikaze Lancasters yet...

I'll keep watching.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Blooz on July 13, 2007, 08:31:52 PM: Lesson.

One 500lb bomb equals 15 kamikaze.

Squeekers take notes.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: mensa180 on July 13, 2007, 08:34:46 PM: Good so far and..LOL kill stealing FM2 dweeb.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Blooz on July 13, 2007, 08:40:15 PM: Hell's coming to breakfast!

Corsairs!
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Xargos on July 13, 2007, 08:41:47 PM: I would hate to have been on that ship.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Blooz on July 13, 2007, 08:51:05 PM: Ok squeekers.

Go to the "Wishlist" forums and start screaming for your Oka (Baka) bombs.

But...wish for a G4M "Betty" bomber first.

Can't have one without the other.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Xargos on July 13, 2007, 08:52:20 PM: lol
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Blooz on July 13, 2007, 09:16:12 PM: The enemy has 1300 bombers attacking your country.

You manage to get 100 suicide fighters into the air to take down as many enemy bombers as you can.

So, ummm, what do you do tomorrow when those 1200 bombers come back to attack you again?

Grand idea.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Blooz on July 13, 2007, 09:31:32 PM: A Bf109G6 = 50,000 Reich Marks

A pilot with a couple hours training = 2 Phennig

The act of destroying a perfectly good aircraft for little or no result = Priceless
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Blooz on July 13, 2007, 09:44:37 PM: Man!

Enough with the 109's crashing into bombers.

Still.

Those 17's look sweet.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: DoLbY on July 13, 2007, 09:48:20 PM: Well said Blooz, well said :aok
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Blooz on July 13, 2007, 09:53:59 PM: Warning to Rauchen.

A few nasty blood spattered cockpit scenes.

Just a friendly 'heads up'.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: ForrestS on July 13, 2007, 10:00:09 PM: Lucky B17 crew
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Blooz on July 13, 2007, 10:10:16 PM: Well, it's over.

Good episode.

Now all you squeekers grab your planes and ram into the enemy!!

We need your sacrifice!!

Oh. Wait. You've already been doing that.

Nevermind.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: ForrestS on July 13, 2007, 10:16:45 PM: It only works in Il2
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Fencer51 on July 13, 2007, 10:19:58 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Blooz
Good episode.

Can't agree with that.

Once again they have wasted an episode on combat that was not a dogfight. I realize they are trying to use actual people and that has to be dictating their shows, but there has to be some fighter pilots that actually did air to air combat in WWII in the European Theather around somewhere still.

They need to rename the series to "Computer Generated Repeats every 10 mins telling you what we already told you involving anything but air to air combat."

TV Guide would love it.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: ForrestS on July 13, 2007, 10:24:54 PM: There not gonna make a whole other series called "Kamakazie". They dont have enough material.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: The Fugitive on July 13, 2007, 10:25:20 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Fencer51
Can't agree with that.

Once again they have wasted an episode on combat that was not a dogfight. I realize they are trying to use actual people and that has to be dictating their shows, but there has to be some fighter pilots that actually did air to air combat in WWII in the European Theather around somewhere still.

They need to rename the series to "Computer Generated Repeats every 10 mins telling you what we already told you involving anything but air to air combat."

TV Guide would love it.

The problem is all the fighter pilots they have are nothing but cherry pickin' HO dweebs!!! Who wants to see that ? :D
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: DoLbY on July 13, 2007, 10:26:56 PM: 35 more minutes to go until it starts, even though no one seems thrilled about tonight's show, i still gonna watch it :aok

Fencer-----looks like we have same plane :aok
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: vorticon on July 13, 2007, 10:29:49 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Blooz
Man!

Enough with the 109's crashing into bombers.

Still.

Those 17's look sweet.

i predict another rash of collisions??? WTF!!! threads shortly then...
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: ForrestS on July 13, 2007, 10:56:40 PM: The ramming percentage is gonna skyrocket in Aces High.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Hajo on July 13, 2007, 11:56:27 PM: Tonights Dogfight unfortunately was the most boring I've seen to date.

The first 43 mins. were devoted to Kamakazi attacks on the destroyer laffe.

That was a little much for me. Although interesting how can one keep interested when watching the same actions for 43 minutes? When the FM2s and the F4U's came to the aid of the laffe it perked it up somewhat.

I turned it off at that point and hope in future episodes it gets more interesting.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: mensa180 on July 14, 2007, 12:00:23 AM: I found the ramming 109s very interesting. I think I'll go up a 109, empty all the guns but leave the MG at 60 rounds, and ram a bomber. lol, I can't help but want to try it now.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: FiLtH on July 14, 2007, 12:44:56 AM: Im a big fan of destroyers so tonight was awesome for me. Id like to see them do a whole series on the naval battles around Guadalcanal.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Masherbrum on July 14, 2007, 02:00:56 AM: Quote
Originally posted by ForrestS
The ramming percentage is gonna skyrocket in Aces High.
It did after the Debut last season.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: DoLbY on July 14, 2007, 02:44:05 AM: I can't say I wasn't completely dissapointed with this one. It could have been little bit better but seems the blood scenes and the faces/guys added was a nice touch
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Widewing on July 14, 2007, 09:35:44 AM: Well, the story of the USS Laffey was a pleasant surprise. The Luftwaffe ramming unit story was uninteresting to me.

If we look at the Laffey story alone, this episode is a keeper. This fight is one of those special stories that stands out in US Naval history. Naval historian Samuel Elliot Morrison called the Laffey, "The ship that would not die." No other US ship survived such a concentrated kamikaze attack. This incident demonstrated the durability of the Sumner class DD as well as the fighting skills and damage control training of the American sailor.

Here's a copy of the After Action Report written by the Laffey's CO. It can be found, along with a lot of other interesting material, on the website dedicated to the Laffey. (http://www.laffey.org)

(http://www.laffey.org/Admiral%20Becton%20Mem/supplementalrpt1a.jpg)

(http://www.laffey.org/Admiral%20Becton%20Mem/supplementalrpt2a.jpg)
(http://www.laffey.org/Admiral%20Becton%20Mem/supplementalrpt3a.jpg)
(http://www.laffey.org/Admiral%20Becton%20Mem/supplementalrpt4a.jpg)

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Jonny boy 8 on July 14, 2007, 09:45:48 AM: wow thats cool:D

p51srule:aok
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Widewing on July 14, 2007, 10:08:25 AM: Commander Becton's decorations include the Navy Cross and THREE Silver Stars!
(http://www.laffey.org/FJ%20Becton/Page3/image22.jpg)

After the kamikaze attack had been beaten off, Becton received a message from the Task Force Commander asking if Laffey had survived the battle. Becton replied with one sentence...

"LAFFEY LAUGHS LAST."

Later, Admiral Moosbrugger (probably the most famous US Destroyer Group commanders) sent this message to the Laffey:

(http://www.laffey.org/Admiral%20Becton%20Mem/msg38a.jpg)

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: ForrestS on July 14, 2007, 12:21:12 PM: Its amazing how 2 Luftwaffe pilots survived ramming another airplane. the 1st one was lucky because he hit with his wing and not his fuselage.

I feel bad for the B24 and B17 pilots who had to go through that. :cry

(http://mywingman.net/attack.jpg)
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: 68slayr on July 14, 2007, 03:36:33 PM: that 109 rammed those milkrunners :O
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Fulmar on July 14, 2007, 03:57:36 PM: I swear with as much resources that Widewing has, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a pair of Hitler's underwear autographed.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: ForrestS on July 14, 2007, 05:20:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Fulmar
I swear with as much resources that Widewing has, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a pair of Hitler's underwear autographed.

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: ForrestS on July 14, 2007, 05:29:10 PM: Btw dogfights is on RIGHT NOW.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Blooz on July 14, 2007, 06:02:49 PM: 4 Silver Stars WW.

Ribbon denotes first award and each star represents subsequent awards.

Just for reference the awards in order...

Navy Cross
Silver Star
Navy Commendation
Navy Presidential Unit Citation
China Service
American Defense Service
American Campaign
Europe/Africa/Middle East
Asiatic Pacific Campaign
WW2 Victory
National Defense Service
Philippine Liberation
Philippine Presidential Unit Citation
French Croix de Guerre
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Raptor on July 14, 2007, 06:04:11 PM: So after every new episode of Dogfights you see an infludx of people trying to silulate what they saw. SBD dogfight episode is a good example. Does this mean we will have even more suicide bombers than usual?:rolleyes:
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: 68ROX on July 14, 2007, 06:06:14 PM: quote:
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Originally posted by Fulmar
I swear with as much resources that Widewing has, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a pair of Hitler's underwear autographed.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

WIDEWING----

Are your Hitler's autographed undies boxer's, briefs, or kinky lederhosen?

BTW: YOUR aviation website is DA BOMB!

Keep up the good work!

68ROX
Title: Re: Dogfights.
Post by: Carwash on July 14, 2007, 06:11:13 PM: Hey Van, you got the rednecks last words wrong. They actually were"Hey guys, watch this..."
Title: Re: Re: Dogfights.
Post by: Roidrage on July 14, 2007, 07:57:47 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Carwash
Hey Van, you got the rednecks last words wrong. They actually were"Hey guys, watch this..."

Thought it was "Hold my beer and watch this"
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Masherbrum on July 14, 2007, 08:13:25 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Raptor
So after every new episode of Dogfights you see an infludx of people trying to silulate what they saw. SBD dogfight episode is a good example. Does this mean we will have even more suicide bombers than usual?:rolleyes:
I'm glad other's have noticed this drivel as well. <~~> Raptor~~
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Nangleator on August 23, 2007, 10:06:22 PM: So glad they finally did Verner Voss!
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: sgt203 on August 23, 2007, 11:30:37 PM: Hop into the ships guns for all the Kamikaze Proxys on the way!!

:lol
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Dux on August 24, 2007, 11:17:55 AM: If only they could do some over-used amateurish computer animation cliches... like having the planes constantly fly through the "camera"... cuz that would be exciting! ...and then they could also do the simulated camera shake when they did that, because IRL it would be so hard to hold the camera still when an aircraft was flying through you. That would be so awesome! :aok

In all seriousness, though... it's a show that has some nice touches, but overall it's 30 minutes too long, incessantly repetitive, and seems to be geared at 10-year-olds.

Too bad... they could really do something great with that subject matter. :(
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: The Fugitive on August 24, 2007, 12:16:47 PM: Ya, I'd be more interested in the shows if the stories were a bit more fleshed out. They can cut back on the computer graphics a bit, and get more info from "those who were there", with vintage photos and films.

all in all, it is entertaining
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Treize69 on August 24, 2007, 12:29:16 PM: For those who aren't dweebish history and ACM afficianados, its a great show, my Dad and Grandmother both watch it whenever its on. Grandma wants to see the BoB and the Eagle Squadrons. Dad loves the Vietnam episodes.

Nice to see they're starting to use diaries and combat reports instead of exclusively interviews and memories. Opens up a lot of possibilities, especially as most of the really famous aces are no longer with us.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Nangleator on August 24, 2007, 12:49:05 PM: Yeah, it's a little beneath us. Probably best to watch it with the sound off.

"Yeager is here. The German is here. Yeager needs to be a little higher. He remembers his training and pulls back on his stick. The maneuver works!"

And the camera shakes are driving me batty, too. I'm on an animation board where one of the animators asked for comments and crits. I *****ed a little about the camera shakes. No response. I also asked for Verner Voss, but I doubt I'm the reason he ended up on the show last night.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Dux on August 24, 2007, 01:06:43 PM: Nangle, you said it was a Lightwave BBS earlier... are you a LW user? If so, how do you like it?

I've been using ElectricImage Universe for several years now, finally convinced my superiors to spring for the full version of Maya. :)

I hear Lightwave is also a good program... curious to hear your thoughts.

Oh, and BTW... they really do do a pretty good job animating the dogfights, I just wish they'd drop the cliches. I'm really glad they're not going for the shaky zoom in-zoom out Battlestar Galactica routine.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Treize69 on August 24, 2007, 01:41:48 PM: They do it quite frequently actually, Dux.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Nangleator on August 24, 2007, 02:03:30 PM: I've used LightWave since '95. Love it like crazy. I tried Maya for a month and couldn't wrap my head around it.

Seems like Maya is good if you've got coworkers helping. LW seems better for a one-man shop. Good modeler, funky character animation tools, but great native renderer.

Teaching myself Blender now. Can't beat that price!

As for the show, I wish there were more and longer shots from in-cockpit. They say "You're in the cockpit!" and then they show all these zoomy external shots.
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: Krusty on August 24, 2007, 02:45:57 PM: I started in Electric Image, then moved to Lightwave. After that I moved to 3DSMax (my school changed their policy, forcing me to retake the class to relearn it).

This was a while back, but from memory, Electric Image had a more intuitive NURBS system. However, the system was flawed. It would work volumetrically, which was nice, but if you tried to export and import things, or tesselate them, you could run into irreparable problems with missing faces or errors.

Didn't see as many of those in Lightwave. Lightwave seemed different, but seemed like it had better surfacing tools. Easier to use and understand.

3DS has worse surface tools. That is, they're more powerful, but less intuitive and harder to get "what I want" when compared to the other software. I really like the animation control better than the other two, however. Much more control. I've gotten into the skeletal system and IK as well and I hear it handles them better than LW or EI (but, I confess I did not get as far in either so can't say from my own experience).
Title: Dogfights.
Post by: 1Boner on August 24, 2007, 04:58:08 PM: I think its a pretty good show.

Most of you guys are just being too analytical.

You should just enjoy the show for what it is, entertainment.

I know that I do.

Your Buddy,

Boner