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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Jackal1 on July 13, 2007, 11:49:44 AM
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I am thinking about getting a black powder revolver. Probably a .44 .
Just got this urge lately for some reason.
Anybody here into black powder and can give me some pointers on where the best deals are to be had?
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You're pretty much limited to repros in that kind of thing. Uberti has some good ones. If you are looking for a strong pistol that will handle heavier loads you should look for a Remington clone. This one has a closed frame rather than a barrel held in by a pressure wedge. It's fairly close in appearance to a regular western style revolver compared to the Navy and Army copies of an original pistol.
The open frame models are OK as well as long as you use a "reasonable" charge and don't try to turn it into a magnum. I had an old Navy .36 caliber and shot it for several years before selling it so I could get a different pistol.
These kind of things are a real treat to shoot as you get an idea of what it was like "way back when" to shoot and depend on these things.
If the pistol you are looking at looks good, has tight tolerances, decent fit and finish and is timed properly it should do you just fine. If it looks rough and feels gritty to work the action leave it be, especially in a new pistol.
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Thank you sir.
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I have an Uberti 1858 Rem. Army that's nice to shoot. Plus, It was alot more affordable than what a centerfire pistol would be( I got mine for about 170$, after I bought some necessary supplies). It will take more patience at the range, however, reloading is more of a chore.
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Check here. They have some pretty good deals.
Cabela's (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/index/index-display.jsp?id=cat20817&navAction=jump&navCount=1&cmCat=MainCatcat20712&parentType=category&parentId=cat20712)
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I shot a real 1858 remington for a while... I liked it.. also a 36 colt repo..
I have been getting the urge to shoot some black powder myself.
lazs
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i own a colt dragoon 44 reissue..a colt dragoon 44 uberti repoduction..a baby pocket navy 32..and a rem new army 44...i have to say the new army rem is one of the best and easiest pistols to deal with in black powder..the cylinder pops out with out having to use any tools..plus its easy to get converstion cylinders to shoot 45 long colt...the cheapest new army is made by traditions from italy...the one i own runs about 150 too 180 new.
i enjoy my black pistols..the dragoons are a ton of fun cause you can pack them up with about 50 grains:) and they dont have the flaws of a colt walker...major problem with a walker is the powder packer likes to kick down when you fire it and the pin that holds it breaks easy..they fixed this issue on the dragoon.
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Checked out Traditions. They are a ton of dealers within driving distance here, so parts and such shouldn`t be a prob.
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Jackal, my other BP pistol is an 1851 Navy colt in .44 by Traditions. After about 50-100 rounds, It's already broken the lock spring for the Cylinder. The price is low, but remember, buyer beware.
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ya i seen bad in both uberti and traditions...best to give them a good look over...we got a uberti colt walker and went out and shot it,,busted it the first day!! lol..we took it back and traded it in for a dragoon uberti..which been working fine,..my rem 44 traditions new army i shoot the most..and its never failed and i load it with 35 grains..plus traditions makes that cylinder for 45 long colt for about 200 bucks..with the new army you can switch out black powder and quickly stick in the 45 long colt with out any trouble..i got mine down to were i can get them out fast,,and replacement cylinders are only about 50 bucks for powder.....with the new army you can carry them around like clips..lol
you can tell a dif between my usa made colt dragoon and the uberti dragoon...in how it sounds when you click the hammer back..and the case hardening is real and not the fake chemical style..and the colt takes too big of a cap..a size 11 mag does not fit it...takes a custom colt cap cause it was made period perfict..hand grips on the uberti are the modern candy coated wood and the colt doesnt..but the uberti is the one i shoot..i dont shoot the colt sence there not made anymore...if you buy one just give it a good look over and look for flaws..you can get good shooters out of the cheap ones..and really uberti and traditions are just about only thing you can find unless you wanna chuck out some serious cash.
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what for? Dueling the snakes from other thread with 19 century stylish single shot ? get white gloves also
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No ghi. It`s more of a High Noon setting for the snakes around here.
BOOM....good snake. :)
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Definitely a Remington clone if you're looking for ease of operation. The Colt clones work just fine but I do think the Remington was a true technical improvement for the time. Still has the full BP flavor, just a little easier to use/clean/load.
Oh yeah, the sights, such as they are, are still better than the Colt notch-in-the-hammer style.
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hyena.. if you get one of the cartridge conversions for 45 colt...
You still must shoot black powder tho right? I mean.. load the 45 colt case with black powder?
lazs
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Laz,
That's correct, you must stay inside of black powder power levels. Using a smokeless powder would create a situation where it would be very easy to over pressure the load since the powder is so much less bulky. Just because the cylinder is converted to a cartridge it's still a weaker system than one designed for smokeless. I would never trust any of the imported repros with a full pressure smokeless load. I like my hands and eyes in the condition they are in and don't want to rearrange them.
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I just picked up a .50 Thompson center Hawken replica a few months back. Hadnt had a chance to shoot it yet, but the local gun shop has a .50 cal flint pistol I may do some checking on. Its a kit and needs some finishing.
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Origanally posted by lasz2
hyena.. if you get one of the cartridge conversions for 45 colt...
You still must shoot black powder tho right? I mean.. load the 45 colt case with black powder?
lazs
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I think that you can get an SASS(Single Action Shooting Society) cowboy .45 Colt loaded with whatever kind of BP you like, available in boxes of 50.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Laz,
That's correct, you must stay inside of black powder power levels. Using a smokeless powder would create a situation where it would be very easy to over pressure the load since the powder is so much less bulky. Just because the cylinder is converted to a cartridge it's still a weaker system than one designed for smokeless. I would never trust any of the imported repros with a full pressure smokeless load. I like my hands and eyes in the condition they are in and don't want to rearrange them.
I have a replica Sharps 50-70 carbine made by Garrett Arms in Virginia. The cartridge is straight walled and lofts a 517 grain bullet when loaded with smokeless powder. This rifle will also shoot black powder and a .50 cal lead ball thumb pushed into the end of the case. I prefer the smokeless loads because it doesn't foul the barrel and the ball loaded bp cartridge sometimes becomes unassembled upon extraction when unfired, leaving the ball in the barrel and a cartridge spilling powder.
I mentioned this to a Sharps dealer at the Shot Show in Dallas a few years back, and he told me I would blow up my rifle using smokeless powder. Now the shop I bought this rifle from said smokeless could be used safely, and Lyman's reloading manual does have specs for loading this cartridge with smokeless. My loads are about mid level and this heavy rifle kicks about as much as a .22 and is not much louder. Basically it is a very large .22 rifle. So I'm fairly confident it's not going to blow up, considering it is closed breach and has a falling block action which is very strong.
Black powder is a class A explosive and can detonate by percussion. If you drop your loaded bp weapon on the ground it may fire by accident so be careful. Revolvers will ring fire sometimes because of this as well. I suspect any magazine fed firearm loaded with bp cartridges could do this under the right circumstances.
I have fired smokeless buckshot shells from an old original Remington double barrel 12 gauge with the exposed hammers. That shotgun has Damascus barrels and it's a lucky thing it didn't blow up because it was designed for black powder. After I learned the error of my ways I started using bp shells. Miraculously the shotgun was undamaged and this attests to the craftsmanship and strength of the early Remington shotguns.
Never use smokeless powder in any open breach firearm designed for black powder.
Les
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I have fired smokeless buckshot shells from an old original Remington double barrel 12 gauge with the exposed hammers. That shotgun has Damascus barrels and it's a lucky thing it didn't blow up because it was designed for black powder. After I learned the error of my ways I started using bp shells. Miraculously the shotgun was undamaged and this attests to the craftsmanship and strength of the early Remington shotguns.
Wow, you were lucky...I would'nt fire anything with damascus barrels, period. I've got an old drilling, a rifle barrel over a damascus shotgun tube, It's a wall hanger now.
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I understand the pressures of black powder and smokeless.
many cartridges we have are originally black powder ones.. like the 45 colt and 45-70 and 44-40 etc.
When smokeless came out the same cartridges were loaded with smokeless and .. even tho the cases were large... very small amounts of smokeless were used so that they could be fired in the old guns...pressures for these old rounds are low.
The 454 casul started out as nothing more than a 45 colt case filled with smokeless powder.. the case was extended slightly to keep it from being used in older guns. same for the 44 mag.. you can get the same results out of the old black powder 44 special case.. and people did.. blew up more than a few too.
I am asking if it is recomended to fire low pressure smokeless rounds out of the replica conversions.
lazs
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Now I`ve got the fever BAD. lol
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Laz,
Go to a gun store and ask to look at the documentation for a BP pistol or rifle and your answer will likely be there.
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I probly wouldn't buy a black powder gun at a gunstore.
I would imagine that the documentation that came with the conversion kits would say.
I am almost afraid to say this but....
I also keep wondering how come the anti gun nuts don't seem to care about black powder... a felon can shoot black powder guns and own em. John wesley and others killed dozens of men with em and what they did then they can do now..
I think that sane felons should be able to own a gun tho... any gun. I think they ought to be able to vote too. If they cant... then why the hell did we let em out in the first place?
lazs
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felons also have a hard time getting a job or renting a apartment, unless of course they are "undocumented".
in florida a felon can have their rights restored if they appeal to the governor.
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Originally posted by john9001
felons also have a hard time getting a job or renting a apartment, unless of course they are "undocumented".
in florida a felon can have their rights restored if they appeal to the governor.
May be hard for them in Florida, but not here. Go down to the corner of Turty Terd and a Terd.....................Toby will fix you up with a whole new identity at Wally World prices.