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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: kilz on July 13, 2007, 12:36:16 PM
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well i was flying by dropping bombs on crap and low and behold i found a CV :t first pass nailed it 6 1000 pounders did not go down:huh ok no problem swing around dropped 3 1000 pounders on it nailed it still up :O thats 9 1000 pounders.
to just clear it up before yall say it, i dont count my drones when i drop on cv's i just count my lead bomber. HTC says it takes 8000 pounds to kill cv.
now it gets better i had my squad follow up on it with some jabos 3 hit it with 2 1000 pounders great i thought its dead right. NO. that was another 6 thousand pounds of ords on it. so thats a total of 15,000 pounds of ord on that cv.
the only thing i could think of was CV is rebuilding its self. looked that up on HTC and it clearly states that CV can not be resupplied:huh
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CVs lose parts easily enough, but damage to the hull wears off very quickly. How long did it take for you to "turn around for another drop"? If it was more than 5 minutes I'm guessing part of it "regenerated". I know that inside 15 minutes it'll be undone, as I've done tests offline before, where I would bomb it, die, reup and bomb it again but it would be full strength by the time I got back (inside 15 minutes).
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imo CV's aren't tough enough.
edit: CV Groups I suppose I meant to say rather than CV's
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Leave the CVs alone Infidel!:D
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my turn around and second drop was no longer then 40 seconds. was a simple loop with my bombers and i dropped and really 40 seconds is more then normal but i will give it 10 seconds for kicks
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You are doing it the wrong way. Instead of a second drop, you should have finished it off with a few rounds from a YAK
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Originally posted by LTARkilz
well i was flying by dropping bombs on crap and low and behold i found a CV :t first pass nailed it 6 1000 pounders did not go down:huh ok no problem swing around dropped 3 1000 pounders on it nailed it still up :O thats 9 1000 pounders.
to just clear it up before yall say it, i dont count my drones when i drop on cv's i just count my lead bomber. HTC says it takes 8000 pounds to kill cv.
now it gets better i had my squad follow up on it with some jabos 3 hit it with 2 1000 pounders great i thought its dead right. NO. that was another 6 thousand pounds of ords on it. so thats a total of 15,000 pounds of ord on that cv.
the only thing i could think of was CV is rebuilding its self. looked that up on HTC and it clearly states that CV can not be resupplied:huh
First off you missed. I've yet not to sink a cv with salvo 4 in b26's. Salvo 3 really damages it but doesnt sink. Secondly CV's DO in fact regain. Example is manned 5 Inch. They regain in 15 min. Sunk cruiser regains in 45 min.
Face 2 possible facts..... you missed your salvo was to long.
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Originally posted by LYNX
First off you missed. I've yet not to sink a cv with salvo 4 in b26's. Salvo 3 really damages it but doesnt sink. Secondly CV's DO in fact regain. Example is manned 5 Inch. They regain in 15 min. Sunk cruiser regains in 45 min.
Face 2 possible facts..... you missed your salvo was to long.
hmmmmmmm let me think about that NO i hit it and got ***(<---insert bad word here) load of guns and crap. kind of hard to not notice all the gun kills in your text buffer. every time i drop bombs i watch them in god mode so i know if i was off or right on. its the only way to learn in bombers. next time i will have film for you :D
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Well I've dropped a CV that was undamaged with a single B-24, I had the 8 1000Lb bombs and hit it head on so all bombs hit and it sunk.
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I've never experienced any technical difficulty in sinking CV's. B26's with 500#-er's level at 8K works well.
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I rarely ever have issues sinking a CV if I hit it. I normally never use Lancaster's and normally never use all the bombs. Hell I even sunk a CV using a 110 with heavy gun package and rockets. It was already damaged, but I'm not sure how bad.
Personally I think the fact it's so easy to kill a CV by level bombing is a little lame. I can't think of any time in WW2 that a CV or ship was killed by level bombers.
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I've managed to sink CV with 2 1K eggs and beaters (rockets), and half my ammo (50s) so i'm guessing it was extremely damaged by that point..
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First off...it does take 8K of ord to kill a CV...
However...once hit...the CV's damage control parties go to work and they continuosly rebuild the damage...so..if you don't get ALL ords on target in each drop...you'll need more on a subsequent drop.
As for CV Hardness....a single 500 lber should be able to take out, if not disable, a CV...IF it is placed right... in my humble opinion.
Below the waterline is a different story. BB's, CA's, and CV's had belts of armour to protect them from torpedoes.
The weakness of US Carriers in WWII was their wooden decks.
Just some thoughts...
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I rarely have problems sinking CVs with 9k (salvo 3 from forms).
but have seen odd occations that ive hit the CV dead center
with 24k lbs and it still not sink.
ive rarely seen a cruiser take more then 2 8" salvo hits and not sink, but odd occations ive seen it take 4 and 5 hits to sink.
so id say some times the damage model on ships is fubar for some reason.
and i dont miss CVs, when i say i hit, i mean dead center deck/tower all bombs.
whels
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cv to base fights rock. IMHO cv's are not strong enough.
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CV's are overly strong from an Air standpoint.
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I regularly sink them in my Corsair with 3K of Ords.
Why is a WWII CV armored better from the air than a CA?
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Are CV's Too Strong
You have to be kidding.
CV's are weak in the game by the way the players operate them. No CAP over the CV during operations, no one minding the helm during operations to maneuver if need be. They run the task force right up onto bases with functional ordnance and shore batteries.
I'm taking a break from the arenas, but I've regularly dropped an undamaged CV in one pass --- and I use Mitsubishi Ki-67's"Hiryu", aka "Flying Dragon", aka "Peggy" with a load out of 8 X 100kg bombs , in two salvos of 4, with delay of 0.05 seconds. That's 800 kg (1,796 lbs) per plane, 2,400 kg (5,390 lbs) per flight. I bomb at full speed, coming in at around 300 mph, at between 5K and 7K altitude, and know how much to lead the CV from that height. I take a lot of damage from flack and AAA, but it is very hard for the CV to out maneuver my drop from that height -- a good helmsman may prevent the sinking, but the CV will still take a lot of damage from those two close salvos.
I use the Ki's to get over the CV in a short amount of time, 300 mph when level at those alts -- and they have better defensive guns that the Arado's (I used to use flights of Arados to sink CV's, but I have much more fun with the Ki-67's).
So long as I don't run into a TG with a well manned 5 inch gun, or two, fired accurately, or more than one high CAP with cannons in position to intercept, I tend to get in over the target and sink it, or at least very heavily damage the CV, in one pass.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Are CV's Too Strong
You have to be kidding.
CV's are weak in the game by the way the players operate them. No CAP over the CV during operations, no one minding the helm during operations to maneuver if need be. They run the task force right up onto bases with functional ordnance and shore batteries.
I'm taking a break from the arenas, but I've regularly dropped an undamaged CV in one pass --- and I use Mitsubishi Ki-67's"Hiryu", aka "Flying Dragon", aka "Peggy" with a load out of 8 X 100kg bombs , in two salvos of 4, with delay of 0.05 seconds. That's 800 kg (1,796 lbs) per plane, 2,400 kg (5,390 lbs) per flight. I bomb at full speed, coming in at around 300 mph, at between 5K and 7K altitude, and know how much to lead the CV from that height. I take a lot of damage from flack and AAA, but it is very hard for the CV to out maneuver my drop from that height -- a good helmsman may prevent the sinking, but the CV will still take a lot of damage from those two close salvos.
I use the Ki's to get over the CV in a short amount of time, 300 mph when level at those alts -- and they have better defensive guns that the Arado's (I used to use flights of Arados to sink CV's, but I have much more fun with the Ki-67's).
So long as I don't run into a TG with a well manned 5 inch gun, or two, fired accurately, or more than one high CAP with cannons in position to intercept, I tend to get in over the target and sink it, or at least very heavily damage the CV, in one pass.
not HTCs fault that no one flys high cap over cv. so i would disagree with saying its not hard enough. thats why there is auto ack
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I agree with Steve and CV based furballs.
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Originally posted by crockett
I rarely ever have issues sinking a CV if I hit it. I normally never use Lancaster's and normally never use all the bombs. Hell I even sunk a CV using a 110 with heavy gun package and rockets. It was already damaged, but I'm not sure how bad.
Personally I think the fact it's so easy to kill a CV by level bombing is a little lame. I can't think of any time in WW2 that a CV or ship was killed by level bombers.
what do you think bombers did back then dive bombed. nope thats just in Aces High. cvs where killed by planes more then anything but bombers killed cvs flying level.
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But, dive bombing in Buffs is weak. After a certain speed, they should be unrecoverable. And no "I'm gonna let my bombs drop anyways if I'm going in."
No ENY ship in a TF was sunk in WWII, via level bombing. I'm not talking "parked ships offshore" either.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
cv to base fights rock. IMHO cv's are not strong enough.
Word.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
But, dive bombing in Buffs is weak. After a certain speed, they should be unrecoverable. And no "I'm gonna let my bombs drop anyways if I'm going in."
The bomb bay doors should automatically close above a certain speed. That way when we gamey knobs on Lancstuka runs, they dive in, bomb bay doors 'malfunction', they auger/receive new bungholes from the ack and no bombs are released.
Won't stop the suicide on the deck and pull up at the last second tards, but it will perhaps stop some lancstuka runs
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Originally posted by Connery
imo CV's aren't tough enough.
edit: CV Groups I suppose I meant to say rather than CV's
i think there is lot of potential in the AH task group to develop a really enjoyable new dimension to the game
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Salvo 4 delay 0.05 in B26's. works everytime:)
Oz
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one watch a movie called the fighting lady that will prove that bombers bombed cvs. i will try to find the place that i read where bombers killed a cv but for now i am out of time will keep looking at another time
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http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=114686
no FLEET carrier was sunk by level bombers, and thats what we
have in AH a Fleet CV.
Fleet carriers sunk in World War 2
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Fleet carriers in service in WW2:
United States Navy - 21 total
2 Lexington class
1 Ranger class
3 Yorktown class
1 Wasp class
14 Essex class
Royal Navy - 10 total
1 Furious class
2 Corageous class
1 Ark Royal class
3 Illustrious class
1 Indomitable class
2 Implacable class
Imperial Japanese Navy - 13 total
1 Akagi class
1 Kaga class
1 Soryu class
1 Hiryu class
2 Shokaku class
2 Junyo class
1 Taiho class
3 Unryu class
1 Shinano class
Fleet carriers sunk in WW2:
Sunk by air attack, in port:
INS Amagi, bombed in Kure by US aircraft, grounded and then capsized, June 28, 1945.
Sunk by air attack, in open water:
USS Lexington, badly damaged by Japanese bombers and torpedo planes in Battle of the Coral Sea May 8 1942. Burned out of control and scuttled several hours later.
USS Hornet, badly damaged by Japanese bombers and torpedo planes, then sunk by Japanese as they tried to salvage her after the Battle of Santa Cruz October 26, 1942.
INS Akagi, badly damaged by US dive bombers at Midway and then scuttled, June 4, 1942.
INS Kaga, badly damaged by US dive bombers at Midway and then scuttled, June 4, 1942.
INS Soryu, badly damaged by US dive bombers at Midway and then scuttled, June 4, 1942.
INS Hiryu, badly damaged by US dive bombers at Midway and then scuttled, June 4, 1942.
INS Zuikaku, sunky by US aircraft during the Battle of Leyte Gulf, October 25, 1944.
INS Hiyo, sunk by USN torpedo bombers during the Battle of the Philippine Sea, June 20, 1944.
Sunk in surface combat:
HMS Glorious, sunk by German battlecruisers Scharnhorst and Gneisenau off of Norway June 8, 1940.
Sunk by submarine:
USS Yorktown, badly damaged by Japanese bombers and torpedo planes and then sunk by Japanese submarine I-168 during Battle of Midway June 7, 1942.
USS Wasp, sunk by Japanese submarine I-19 off of Guadalcanal September 15, 1942.
HMS Corageous, sunk by German submarine U-20, September 17, 1939.
HMS Ark Royal, sunk by German submarine U-81 off of Gibraltar, November 14, 1941.
INS Shokaku, sunk by submarine USS Cavalla during the Battle of the Philippine Sea, June 19, 1944.
INS Taiho, sunk by submarine USS Albacore during the Battle of the Philippine Sea, June 20, 1944.
INS Unryu, sunk by submarine USS Redfish off of Shanghai, December 19, 1944.
INS Shinano, sunk by submarine USS Archerfish off of Kure November 29, 1944.
Total number of fleet carriers serving: 44
Sunk by air attack, in port: 1
Sunk by air attack, in open water: 8
Sunk in surface combat: 1
Sunk by submarine: 8
Total sunk: 18
Losses, by country:
Imperial Japanese Navy: 11
United States Navy: 4
Royal Navy: 3
As % of total force:
Imperial Japanese Navy: 11/13, 85%
Royal Navy: 3/10, 30%
United States Navy: 4/21, 19%
Total: 18/44, 41%
Notes:
Although many Essex class carriers suffered severe Kamikaze damage, including the USS Franklin which lost over 700 crew to one strike, none of them were sunk.
Only one carrier was sunk in port the entire war.
Once again, as with the battleships, the Japanese suffered the worst losses and the US suffered percentagewise, substantially less losses than the Royal Navy.
Light Fleet Carriers:
United States Navy - 9 total
9 Independence class
Royal Navy - 6 total
1 Unicorn class
5 Colossus class
Imperial Japanese Navy - 7 total
1 Hosho class
1 Ryujo class
2 Chitose class
2 Zuiho class
1 Ryuho class
Light Fleet carriers sunk in WW2:
Sunk by air attack, in open water:
USS Princeton, bombed by Japanese aircraft during Battle of Leyte Gulf October 24, 1944 and scuttled as fires burned out of control.
INS Ryujo, sunk by USN dive bombers off of Guadalcanal, August 24, 1942.
INS Chitose, sunk by US aircraft during Battle of Leyte Gulf, October 25, 1944.
INS Shoho, sunk by US aircraft during Battle of the Coral Sea, May 7, 1942.
Sunk by combination of surface and air attack:
INS Chitose, sunk by US aircraft, destroyer torpedoes and cruiser fire during Battle of Leyte Gulf, October 25, 1944.
INS Chiyoda, sunk by US aircraft, destroyer torpedoes and cruiser fire during Battle of Leyte Gulf, October 25, 1944.
Total number of light fleet carriers serving: 22
Sunk by air attack, in open water: 4
Sunk by combination of surface and air attack: 2
Total sunk: 6
Losses, by country:
Imperial Japanese Navy: 5
United States Navy: 1
Royal Navy: 0
As % of total force:
Imperial Japanese Navy: 5/7, 71%
United States Navy: 1/9, 11%
Total: 6/22, 27%
Notes:
Once again, many light fleet carriers were hit and severely damaged by kamikazes but none were sunk.
Both fleet and light fleet carriers:
Total serving: 66
Sunk by air attack, in port: 1
Sunk by air attack, in open water: 12
Sunk by combination of surface and air attack: 2
Sunk in surface combat: 1
Sunk by submarine: 8
Total sunk: 24
Losses, by country:
Imperial Japanese Navy: 16
United States Navy: 5
Royal Navy: 3
As % of total force:
Imperial Japanese Navy: 11/20, 55%
Royal Navy: 3/16, 19%
United States Navy: 4/30, 13%
Total: 24/66, 36%
Escort Carriers:
(i'm not going to list them all and all whom they were loaned too, just here's the losses)
USS St. Lo, hit by a kamikaze and sunk on October 25, 1944 during Battle of Leyte Gulf.
USS Bismarck Sea, hit by 2 kamikazes and sunk February 12, 1945 off of Iwo Jima.
USS Liscombe Bay, sunk by Japanese submarine I-175 off the Gilbert Islands November 24, 1943.
USS Gambier Bay, sunk by Japanese warships during Battle of Leyte Gulf, October 25, 1944.
USS Block Island, sunk by German submarine U-549 off of the Canary Islands May 29, 1944.
HMS Avenger, sunk by German submarine U-155 off of Gibraltar November 15, 1942.
HMS Audacity, sunk by German submarine U-751 off of Portugal December 21, 1941.
HMS Hermes, sunk by Japanese aircraft off of Ceylon April 9, 1942.
INS Taoyo, sunk by submarine USS Rasher off the Philippines August 18, 1944.
INS Unyo, sunk by submarine USS Barb off Hong Kong, September 15, 1944.
INS Chuyo, sunk by submarine USS Sailfish off of Japan, December 4, 1943.
INS Kaiyo, sunk by US aircraft July 24, 1945.
INS Shinyo, sunk by submarine USS Spadefish in the Yellow Sea, November 17, 1944.
INS Akitsu Maru, sunk by submarine USS Queenfish November 15, 1944.
INS Nigitsu Maru, sunk by submarine USS Hake January 12, 1944.
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There will be battle ship flotillas defending shore bases, and submarines. This will add a fantastic new dimension.
I read elsewhere this would be in about two weeks.
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Originally posted by whels
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=114686
no FLEET carrier was sunk by level bombers, and thats what we
have in AH a Fleet CV.
Fleet carriers sunk in World War 2
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Fleet carriers in service in WW2:
United States Navy - 21 total
2 Lexington class
1 Ranger class
3 Yorktown class
1 Wasp class
14 Essex class
Royal Navy - 10 total
1 Furious class
2 Corageous class
1 Ark Royal class
3 Illustrious class
1 Indomitable class
2 Implacable class
Imperial Japanese Navy - 13 total
1 Akagi class
1 Kaga class
1 Soryu class
1 Hiryu class
2 Shokaku class
2 Junyo class
1 Taiho class
3 Unryu class
1 Shinano class
Fleet carriers sunk in WW2:
Sunk by air attack, in port:
INS Amagi, bombed in Kure by US aircraft, grounded and then capsized, June 28, 1945.
Sunk by air attack, in open water:
USS Lexington, badly damaged by Japanese bombers and torpedo planes in Battle of the Coral Sea May 8 1942. Burned out of control and scuttled several hours later.
USS Hornet, badly damaged by Japanese bombers and torpedo planes, then sunk by Japanese as they tried to salvage her after the Battle of Santa Cruz October 26, 1942.
INS Akagi, badly damaged by US dive bombers at Midway and then scuttled, June 4, 1942.
INS Kaga, badly damaged by US dive bombers at Midway and then scuttled, June 4, 1942.
INS Soryu, badly damaged by US dive bombers at Midway and then scuttled, June 4, 1942.
INS Hiryu, badly damaged by US dive bombers at Midway and then scuttled, June 4, 1942.
INS Zuikaku, sunky by US aircraft during the Battle of Leyte Gulf, October 25, 1944.
INS Hiyo, sunk by USN torpedo bombers during the Battle of the Philippine Sea, June 20, 1944.
Sunk in surface combat:
HMS Glorious, sunk by German battlecruisers Scharnhorst and Gneisenau off of Norway June 8, 1940.
Sunk by submarine:
USS Yorktown, badly damaged by Japanese bombers and torpedo planes and then sunk by Japanese submarine I-168 during Battle of Midway June 7, 1942.
USS Wasp, sunk by Japanese submarine I-19 off of Guadalcanal September 15, 1942.
HMS Corageous, sunk by German submarine U-20, September 17, 1939.
HMS Ark Royal, sunk by German submarine U-81 off of Gibraltar, November 14, 1941.
INS Shokaku, sunk by submarine USS Cavalla during the Battle of the Philippine Sea, June 19, 1944.
INS Taiho, sunk by submarine USS Albacore during the Battle of the Philippine Sea, June 20, 1944.
INS Unryu, sunk by submarine USS Redfish off of Shanghai, December 19, 1944.
INS Shinano, sunk by submarine USS Archerfish off of Kure November 29, 1944.
Total number of fleet carriers serving: 44
Sunk by air attack, in port: 1
Sunk by air attack, in open water: 8
Sunk in surface combat: 1
Sunk by submarine: 8
Total sunk: 18
Losses, by country:
Imperial Japanese Navy: 11
United States Navy: 4
Royal Navy: 3
As % of total force:
Imperial Japanese Navy: 11/13, 85%
Royal Navy: 3/10, 30%
United States Navy: 4/21, 19%
Total: 18/44, 41%
Notes:
Although many Essex class carriers suffered severe Kamikaze damage, including the USS Franklin which lost over 700 crew to one strike, none of them were sunk.
Only one carrier was sunk in port the entire war.
Once again, as with the battleships, the Japanese suffered the worst losses and the US suffered percentagewise, substantially less losses than the Royal Navy.
Light Fleet Carriers:
United States Navy - 9 total
9 Independence class
Royal Navy - 6 total
1 Unicorn class
5 Colossus class
Imperial Japanese Navy - 7 total
1 Hosho class
1 Ryujo class
2 Chitose class
2 Zuiho class
1 Ryuho class
Light Fleet carriers sunk in WW2:
Sunk by air attack, in open water:
USS Princeton, bombed by Japanese aircraft during Battle of Leyte Gulf October 24, 1944 and scuttled as fires burned out of control.
INS Ryujo, sunk by USN dive bombers off of Guadalcanal, August 24, 1942.
INS Chitose, sunk by US aircraft during Battle of Leyte Gulf, October 25, 1944.
INS Shoho, sunk by US aircraft during Battle of the Coral Sea, May 7, 1942.
Sunk by combination of surface and air attack:
INS Chitose, sunk by US aircraft, destroyer torpedoes and cruiser fire during Battle of Leyte Gulf, October 25, 1944.
INS Chiyoda, sunk by US aircraft, destroyer torpedoes and cruiser fire during Battle of Leyte Gulf, October 25, 1944.
Total number of light fleet carriers serving: 22
Sunk by air attack, in open water: 4
Sunk by combination of surface and air attack: 2
Total sunk: 6
Losses, by country:
Imperial Japanese Navy: 5
United States Navy: 1
Royal Navy: 0
As % of total force:
Imperial Japanese Navy: 5/7, 71%
United States Navy: 1/9, 11%
Total: 6/22, 27%
Notes:
Once again, many light fleet carriers were hit and severely damaged by kamikazes but none were sunk.
Both fleet and light fleet carriers:
Total serving: 66
Sunk by air attack, in port: 1
Sunk by air attack, in open water: 12
Sunk by combination of surface and air attack: 2
Sunk in surface combat: 1
Sunk by submarine: 8
Total sunk: 24
Losses, by country:
Imperial Japanese Navy: 16
United States Navy: 5
Royal Navy: 3
As % of total force:
Imperial Japanese Navy: 11/20, 55%
Royal Navy: 3/16, 19%
United States Navy: 4/30, 13%
Total: 24/66, 36%
Escort Carriers:
(i'm not going to list them all and all whom they were loaned too, just here's the losses)
USS St. Lo, hit by a kamikaze and sunk on October 25, 1944 during Battle of Leyte Gulf.
USS Bismarck Sea, hit by 2 kamikazes and sunk February 12, 1945 off of Iwo Jima.
USS Liscombe Bay, sunk by Japanese submarine I-175 off the Gilbert Islands November 24, 1943.
USS Gambier Bay, sunk by Japanese warships during Battle of Leyte Gulf, October 25, 1944.
USS Block Island, sunk by German submarine U-549 off of the Canary Islands May 29, 1944.
HMS Avenger, sunk by German submarine U-155 off of Gibraltar November 15, 1942.
HMS Audacity, sunk by German submarine U-751 off of Portugal December 21, 1941.
HMS Hermes, sunk by Japanese aircraft off of Ceylon April 9, 1942.
INS Taoyo, sunk by submarine USS Rasher off the Philippines August 18, 1944.
INS Unyo, sunk by submarine USS Barb off Hong Kong, September 15, 1944.
INS Chuyo, sunk by submarine USS Sailfish off of Japan, December 4, 1943.
INS Kaiyo, sunk by US aircraft July 24, 1945.
INS Shinyo, sunk by submarine USS Spadefish in the Yellow Sea, November 17, 1944.
INS Akitsu Maru, sunk by submarine USS Queenfish November 15, 1944.
INS Nigitsu Maru, sunk by submarine USS Hake January 12, 1944.
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look up in your post. USS Lexington, badly damaged by Japanese bombers and torpedo planes. does it say anywhere in that website that it was a torpedo that got the final blow or a bomber. yes i understand it burnt to hell and finaly burned long enough to die. but this happened at the hands of Japanese bombers and torpedo planes. so proving my statement that bombers did bomb cvs. now i will agree that this does not state that the boat died to bombers or torpedo planes both had a roll in this.
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Originally posted by LTARkilz
look up in your post. USS Lexington, badly damaged by Japanese bombers and torpedo planes. does it say anywhere in that website that it was a torpedo that got the final blow or a bomber. yes i understand it burnt to hell and finaly burned long enough to die. but this happened at the hands of Japanese bombers and torpedo planes. so proving my statement that bombers did bomb cvs. now i will agree that this does not state that the boat died to bombers or torpedo planes both had a roll in this.
You are inferring that HEAVY bombers had a roll in this. No heavy level bomber ever hit a CV on the open sea.
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You wanna make it easier to put the kibosh on one of the most fun aspects of this game? Why don' t you just go bomb a fighter hangar or something?
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Funny thing about CVs, Im sure a couple 1000 lbrs on the deck would at least impede the launch of aircraft in real life.
Here, not so much.
I say we make RUNWAY and CV damage real in the game.
Holes in the runway, hard to take off, holes in the CV hard to take off.
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It took me 3 sets of on the deck suicide Lancs to kill a CV today. Ridiculous
!!!!:(
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Put me down in favor of doubling CV damage, plus 2 torpedoes minimum required required to sink it. :)
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Originally posted by Rolex
Put me down in favor of doubling CV damage, plus 2 torpedoes minimum required required to sink it. :)
They used those in WW2?:huh
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Only as a last resort after dive bombing lancasters and 110s finished strafing carriers. I know it's true because I saw it on the internet. :cool:
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:D
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Originally posted by Slash27
It took me 3 sets of on the deck suicide Lancs to kill a CV today. Ridiculous
!!!!:(
This kind of gamey game play which I personally consider lowest of the low is why cv's in this GAME should be made 3 times as hard.
Yes we all know in real life CV's were sunk with much less ords than 8k but this is a game where fleets have to come close to shore. Where there is no CV top cover most of the time because of the pressures to take a base. None of which happened in real life.
You wanna be a gamey punk then use what were used in real life like vals kates zero's. You could do that all day long mate...as far as I'm concerned. But Lancs and 110 strafing is .....well "Nintendo".
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it was a joke
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My sentiments still stand if only to reply to those that do suicide.
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I'm on your side:D
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Originally posted by LTARkilz
look up in your post. USS Lexington, badly damaged by Japanese bombers and torpedo planes. does it say anywhere in that website that it was a torpedo that got the final blow or a bomber. yes i understand it burnt to hell and finaly burned long enough to die. but this happened at the hands of Japanese bombers and torpedo planes. so proving my statement that bombers did bomb cvs. now i will agree that this does not state that the boat died to bombers or torpedo planes both had a roll in this.
The "bombers" that helped sink the Lex were Val dive bombers off of the Zuikaku and Shokaku, not land based heavy bombers. The battle of Coral Sea was totally sea based. One clue as too how effective heavy level bombers were against ships, look at how long it took the RAF to sink the Tirpitz and it was AT ANCHOR sitting still.
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Originally posted by Slash27
It took me 3 sets of on the deck suicide Lancs to kill a CV today. Ridiculous
!!!!:(
LMFAO what was that talk we had about this LOL just kidding bro:D
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Originally posted by Grits
The "bombers" that helped sink the Lex were Val dive bombers off of the Zuikaku and Shokaku, not land based heavy bombers. The battle of Coral Sea was totally sea based. One clue as too how effective heavy level bombers were against ships, look at how long it took the RAF to sink the Tirpitz and it was AT ANCHOR sitting still.
not trying to question you statement but can you show me where it says this. everything i have read so far has been bombers didnt say anything about dive bombers. like i said not questioning your statement i would just like to read up on it if you know where it says diffrent. :aok
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Originally posted by LYNX
You are inferring that HEAVY bombers had a roll in this. No heavy level bomber ever hit a CV on the open sea.
you added the word HEAVY, i didnt. I simply stated that bombers not heavy bombers hit cvs.
now after finding what i read sometime ago i found it said that bombers dropped on CVs and attack fighters finished off the boat.
and when i am sober enough to post a link here i will.
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Originally posted by LYNX
Yes we all know in real life CV's were sunk with much less ords than 8k but this is a game where fleets have to come close to shore. Where there is no CV top cover most of the time because of the pressures to take a base. None of which happened in real life.
this sir i would have to say i agree on :aok
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I don't think Japs had any cv-based planes which could do level bombing
(I'm also thinking there was a famous case of an Italian cruiser or something sunk by Allied buff?)
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Originally posted by Slash27
it was a joke
Heh, my sarcasm meter broke when I read that post.:D
Bronk
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Originally posted by bj229r
I don't think Japs had any cv-based planes which could do level bombing
B5n?
Bronk
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here are a few things HT could do to/for CV/Fleets.
1. make the CV and hvy Cruiser ships them selves impervious
to airplane gun fire, its rediculous to have planes straff sink
the bigger capital ships. but allow gun fire to kill the 20mm
and other low calibure AA. 5" guns should only be killed with
bombs or rockets.
2. we need AP Bombs. ships like Cruisers and CVs should take
say 8k in AP bombs (costing perks per bomb) (cause they were special
purpose, not general use). if u want to use HE bombs (free) then up required LBs to like 24k. AP bombs would make planes that attacked
ships in RL more useable.
3. remove the Cruiser and make it a Battleship 4k or 6k to sink)
add into fleet spawn able GV section light Cruisers, so u can spawn them like we do PTs now (in fleetsonly). maybe have a way to limit the # spawned at 1 time per fleet (3 or 4), when 1 dies another can be spawned and guns manned. the light Cruisers can go close to shore to bombard from close in, while the CV and BB can stay farther out .
4. add troops ships to fleet, kill those, no troop LVTs. kinda extremely gamey to sink the CV and Cruiser and still see floods of LVTs spawing till
fleet respawns.
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Originally posted by bj229r
I don't think Japs had any cv-based planes which could do level bombing
(I'm also thinking there was a famous case of an Italian cruiser or something sunk by Allied buff?)
B5N
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Originally posted by LTARkilz
not trying to question you statement but can you show me where it says this. everything i have read so far has been bombers didnt say anything about dive bombers. like i said not questioning your statement i would just like to read up on it if you know where it says diffrent. :aok
The Battle of Coral Sea is famous because it is the first battle where two fleets never saw each other, all combat was conducted by seaborne aircraft of the two fleets. There may have been some land based patrol aircraft involved, but no attack aircraft of any type were land based. Any book on the Coral Sea will cover that.
Yes, the B5N could level bomb, but they didnt at Coral Sea or any other battle at sea, only at Pear Harbor. The B5Ns were only armed with torpedoes at Coral Sea, the Vals (dive bombers) did all the bomb dropping. Again, any good book or intardnet page on Coral Sea will cover that.
The only Capital ships damaged while underway by level bombers were HMS Repulse and HMS Prince of Whales, and even they only sank when they were hit by multiple torpedoes.
So, basically, you have Pearl Harbor (multiple BBs at anchor), and Tirpitz (BB at anchor) as the only Capital ships actually sunk solely by level bombers and all of those were at anchor, not under way.
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Originally posted by crockett
I rarely ever have issues sinking a CV if I hit it. I normally never use Lancaster's and normally never use all the bombs. Hell I even sunk a CV using a 110 with heavy gun package and rockets. It was already damaged, but I'm not sure how bad.
Personally I think the fact it's so easy to kill a CV by level bombing is a little lame. I can't think of any time in WW2 that a CV or ship was killed by level bombers.
well heres a time very rare to be sunk though.
On 24 August 1942, as the Japanese made their first major attempt to recapture Guadalcanal, Mutuski (DD-25) briefly bombarded U.S. Marine Corps' positions at Henderson Field. The next day, she went alongside the disabled transport Kinryu Maru to rescue that ship's crew and troops. While so immobilized, a formation of U.S. B-17 bombers appeared. Aware of the poor accuracy of high-level bombing, the destroyer's captain elected to continue his rescue efforts. However, in a rare event, the bombers scored well and Mutuski was sunk. Her captain, hauled from the water with his ship's other surviving crewmen, is said to have remarked "even the B-17s could make a hit once in a while!"
(http://www.acepilots.com/ships/ijn0043.jpg)