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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Nimrod45 on July 13, 2007, 01:57:08 PM
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Always good in AH, so how about changing weather, rain and snow to fight in. It would be challenging but it would make things very interesting. Clouds would be a great addition to, instead we always have perfect unlimited vision and ideal weather condtions. Flight simulation would be more or less difficult according to the weather as would ground vehicle operation, you might not be able to stand off and lob shells at a 1000 yards if the weather reduced your visibility. It would mix things up and be pretty fun.
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some weather would likely screw up frame rates
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They postponed the Normandy invasion because rainy weather would have meant no air cover.
They didn't fly when it was snowing. Only a few planes flew at night that weren't specially made for it.
Basically, they flew when the weather was clear. That's what we have in Aces High. I'd personally like more variation in the clouds, but that's a minor point.
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Im sorry your right WWII was only waged when the weather was nice, they deffinatly didn't fight in the winter.
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Don't be foolish. Of course they did, and I'm not saying they didn't. But they didn't take off when they couldn't see, and they didn't fight in blowing rain of falling snow.
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
Im sorry your right WWII was only waged when the weather was nice, they deffinatly didn't fight in the winter.
During the Battle of the Bulge, the Allies weren't able to use air support for the first few days until the skies cleared.
ack-ack
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Better clouds would be nice. Yes i might kill your frame rates but you can always get a new video card.
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I've seen snow on the ground used in Snapshots & FSO's.
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
Flight simulation would be more or less difficult according to the weather as would ground vehicle operation
This isnt flight simulation, it is combat simulation.
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Thats right it isn't flight simulation and that is not what I was claiming, if you would care to read the rest of it I spoke of ground combat as well. I also never said any thing about weather so bad as to make flight impossible, just a little incliment weather to make things interesting, and to make air and ground combat a little more challenging, and don't forget real clouds, not just a haze at 20,000. In air combat clouds are used for tactical purposes. In ground combat bad weather would close the distance between oponents. In combat weather is a factor always and is always an issue except in AH.
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
you might not be able to stand off and lob shells at a 1000 yards if the weather reduced your visibility.
Range down to almost half a mile visibility (1000 yards) would prevent any air force in WW2 from taking off.
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Are you totally against a touch of realism or what. The same completely perfect weather all the time is boring, predictable, and completely unrealistic. Everytime you log on you have the same conditions to deal with. No challenge of reduced visibility, you can always see you oponent from extreme range, you cant skip into a cloud to get the jump on someone or sneak up on someone. Change is not evil.
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
Change is not evil.
Change can be evil if it's only done for the change itself, without considering all possible impacts on the game.
As already pointed out, many, if not most users would suffer severe framerate reductions. Also there is gameplay and balance to consider, that's the reason we (for exampkle) don't have wind in the MA. Most casual and new players will have tremendous problems taking off & landing with crosswinds (especially when rudder was shot off ;) )
Im sure we will see more and lot improved cloud formations in the (not so near) future as technology and inimum requirements are progressing, but it's a slow process.
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
Are you totally against a touch of realism or what. The same completely perfect weather all the time is boring, predictable, and completely unrealistic. Everytime you log on you have the same conditions to deal with. No challenge of reduced visibility, you can always see you oponent from extreme range, you cant skip into a cloud to get the jump on someone or sneak up on someone. Change is not evil.
ok nimrod...image in this...
after a long day you want to get on AH and play for the night...then you log on and its snowy and raining...flight is disabled for your country...log on in 3 hours and it might have cleared off:rolleyes: Sounds like fun. or right as you where about to take a base it got snowy and you couldnt get troops in? What if you GVs got stuck in the mud after you drove for 10 minutes(oh...wait...we already have sinkholes in the ground:rolleyes: ) will you have fun if you get picked by ppl that you cant see. It is a game so it cant be really realistic b/c it would not be very fun.
if it was ultra realistic you would have like 20 steps to check your control surfaces and engine before take off...constantly triming your airplane, no autopilot, 1 life, gun jams, crosswinds when you are landing your 10 kills, airplane malfunctions, and many other things that can go wrong.
i dont know about you but in a game that would not be fun IMO
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
Im sorry your right WWII was only waged when the weather was nice, they deffinatly didn't fight in the winter.
You're telling me they didn't fight in the winter...
in other words... the majority of russia's battles were a lie?
AND THIS CLIP OF CALL OF DUTY COULD NOT EXIST?!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QxrbwftaGII
:huh
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Originally posted by Oogly50
You're telling me they didn't fight in the winter...
in other words... the majority of russia's battles were a lie?
AND THIS CLIP OF CALL OF DUTY COULD NOT EXIST?!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QxrbwftaGII
:huh
Nimrod was being sarcastic in his reply to Krusty.
ack-ack
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You guys are killin me, Lusche finally gave a plossible answer of why it isn't here, but everyone else must be doom and gloom, I didn't say I wanted flight prohibiting weather or hurricanes, nothing that would make the game unplayable for even a novice, which I border on being my self. Just simply a little incliment weather, a light rain sower, a light sciff of snow, or a little bitty fog bank, your imagination is taking it to the next level. I am thinking very small and inconsiderable not the 100 year weather event. Come on pull your heads out.
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
Just simply a little incliment weather, a light rain sower, a light sciff of snow, or a little bitty fog bank, your imagination is taking it to the next level. I am thinking very small and inconsiderable not the 100 year weather event. Come on pull your heads out.
Why?
So we can hear the whines like we did when we had night time? WAAAA I cant see the plane to shoot him down WAAAA!!
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In case you don't know it Nimrod (lol) we had just what you are asking for years back in Aces High 1.
For many reasons (some listed above) the weather was removed.
This is however the "wish list" so wish away.
I prefer to not have to dive bomb through heavy clouds and rain squalls (one of my more memorable sorties from years ago).
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Every reply before Lusche gave you the same information in spades. Your selective interpretation does not negate the fact that we all pointed out valid reasons for the way it is.
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Negative Krusty, you guys are interpreting my wish for something that would hinder game play, one last time I am not asking for weather so bad that it woul ever hinder any mission you set out on, I don't want tanks to be stuck and I don't want planes to be grounded. I was thinking very mild weather patterns. I don't want know how to explain it any better nor do I care to. If you guys want absolutly perfect weather and 100% unlimited visibility then good for you, you have it now, though war has never been waged only when it was nice and that gos for air war to. Though I am sure ever troop through out history would have chose the same had they had the option. Lusche gave they only really good technical reson as to why not to have weather, not an "Imagine this" scenario that took a little weather and made it a hurricane. I would still like to have clouds though I am sure someone isn't going to like having to fly when their is any gind of limiting factor.
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My direct quote from your first post shows you were talking about visual range being so obscured you couldn't "lob shells" at 1000 yards' range.
That's a pretty damn significant change in gameplay. You weren't talking "just visuals that don't affect the game" you were talking "let's change the game in a big way".
If there was haze so thick you couldn't see at 1000 yards, you couldn't fly over 2000feet, you couldn't take off, land, do anything, let alone find a fight and engage the enemy.
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I have been on a couple of maps that had some effective weather. such that you could not see the target due to cloud cover or even fog. This was in the MA but I forget which map. was a lot of fun trying to hit the target, when the cover opened up for about 30 seconds over the port of airbase.
DHawk
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No thx.. weather is good as it is. Maybe it culd be nice with abit more clouds, but i dont want rain or snow to clutter things.
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I'm still waiting for HTC to put Foo Fighters in the game, they did have them in the War...Really.
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:D
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Don't tell me you got probed by one Nilsen. :p
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They are already in the game under the name N1K-2. They can hover in mid air and then zoom away real fast.:aok
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Indeed i have Larry.. everytime i get shot down its a variant of the foo fighter. Other players around may get the proxy kill for it but its the foo that gets me :)
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Guess what!? During the Battle of the Bulge Germany(lacking air suppremacy without a chance to get it back) chose to have the offensive when there was bad weather so the Allied infantry could not get close air support from their air force. Wars were fought in winter in the air and on the ground but when there was a blizzard the infantry on both sides would have to wait for it to clear before air support became available.
This wasn't a problem for Germany in the Battle of the Bulge because they didn't have very many close air support planes at the time and any they had were probably on the Eastern front.