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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Shifty on July 16, 2007, 07:57:32 AM
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I was wondering if any of you other creakers were encountering vison problems while flying AH? I've been doing the on-line sim thing for years. The past two years have really been hard. I am constantly missing aircraft that I should be shreding with my 50 cals.
My trouble starts when the guy goes to the deck, especially on a map with a lot of hills. I can be d-200 and cannot see the plane. My eyes seem to focus on the icon or my own tracers, but cannot pick out the enemy plane. I start spraying and praying instead of aiming. The majority of my kills come when a guy climbs or a turning climb where I have him siloueted against the sky. I never miss those shots, but put terra ferma in front of my target and I just can't see him, much less hit him.
I turn 49 in a couple of months, and I have middle aged eyesight. I can see fine from three feet away and furthur, but up close everything is fuzzy. In fact I use reading glasses when flying. I am thinking of going to a bigger monitor to see if that helps. I gave up rugby at age 30, paintball at age 45, I don't want to give this up, what's left? Dinner at 5:30, Wheel of Fortune at 6:00, and bed at 7:00!!:cry
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Your not alone. and at 45 Im not far behind you.
Same thing. Against the deck I find it really hard to make out the planes.
I actually prefer when my opponent is above me at any point in the fight.
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same here, 49 next week, can't see the planes till I crash into them !!!
Was looking into adjusting the focus settings on my monitor, cheaper than new glasses every few months :D
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Im 37 and the same happens to me.I think its only natural that its harder to see the planes with a back drop of multi colored clutter.Againts a solid light blue background its just naturaly easier to see.
Pipz
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I'm using a 19" monitor, and was thinking of going to a 22". Any of you guys using a monitor of that size? I'm wondering if that will help at all.
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Every time I fly with Pipz I am blind :)
Yeah, 40's and viz problems, usually at dusk and dawn. Gamma thing really does not help either.
Time for a 40 plus arena!
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Oh Yeah, I'm 52 and when I turned 49, I was forced to start wearing bi-focals. Still hard to see em up close and personal unless I want to tilt my head up and that just doesn't feel natural when you're firing at a target. My guess is if you are wearing bi-focal specks, you naturally don't tilt the head up and if you don't wear specks, you need em now. :(
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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I cant hit a damn thing from a dead 6.
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Originally posted by seabat
Every time I fly with Pipz I am blind :)
Yeah, 40's and viz problems, usually at dusk and dawn. Gamma thing really does not help either.
Time for a 40 plus arena!
That must be because im such a "Shinning" example of a good guy:aok
Shifty a bigger screen may help but I honestly think its just the background clutter.Thats why stuff has camo ,to hide it.
Pipz
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If it makes you guys feel better, I'm 27 and also have trouble firing on planes unless they're silhouetted by the sky. I don't have vision problems, either. :(
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Originally posted by pipz
That must be because im such a "Shinning" example of a good guy:aok
Shifty a bigger screen may help but I honestly think its just the background clutter.Thats why stuff has camo ,to hide it.
Pipz
Hmmm that means I need to hide your post from Frau Shifty when I tell her I need a bigger monitor tonight. ;)
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fifty and also suffering from CSS. I'm blind as a bat.
here's a trick I use.
don't use gunsights instead place a sharpie dot onto your monitor screen where your rounds actually strike.
the best place to determine where this spot is, is to go offline get in an M3 or a jeep, drive up to a tank level the gun and shoot by holding down the "F" key first and then hitting the forward slash key. this will put your gun on auto fire. you will see where the rounds randomly strike the target, there will be a pattern.
determine where you are getting the most strikes at. approach your monitor sharpie in hand and with your tongue sticking partly out of the corner of your mouth mark the dot on your monitor. voilá you now have the perfect dust farter sight, the best in the business in my opinion. this sight works for every toy in the game.
slowly straighten your creaky back and admire your handywork.
caution: actual improvement in hit percentages may vary. this still doesn't correct parkinson's related wrist twitchies or alzheimer's related forgetting what you are shooting at. :D
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Originally posted by Shifty
I'm using a 19" monitor, and was thinking of going to a 22". Any of you guys using a monitor of that size? I'm wondering if that will help at all.
I switched from a 15" CRT to a 22" LCD wide screen, helps, but
still use reading glasses.
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Originally posted by Shifty
Hmmm that means I need to hide your post from Frau Shifty when I tell her I need a bigger monitor tonight. ;)
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!ahhhh a hidden agenda I see.
What a tangled web we wieve when we practise to decieve!!!!
Tell Frau SHifty everything I said was purely propaganda to stop you from shooting me down.I now endorse you up-grade
Pipz
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Originally posted by storch
don't use gunsights instead place a sharpie dot onto your monitor screen where your rounds actually strike.
Won't this have an adverse affect on viewing porn?? Then again that may explain me going blind. :confused:
Seriousy.......... Can you turn the gunsights off? I wasn't aware of this. That might be worth a try.
Pipz I think my wife would be all for a new monitor if it meant I quit throwing socks and tennis balls at the cat, after a bad nights flying. Poor cat seems to be the only target I can hit right now.
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options, gunsights there will be a slider labeled alpha slide it completely to the right (or left). it must be done for every ride though. on some rides I also raise the seat which allows me great lattitude in making what would otherwise be under the nose shots. the mossy the 110 and the ME163 all benefit greatly from this trick.
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Thanks Storch, I'll give this a try also. :aok
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Originally posted by Shifty
Hmmm that means I need to hide your post from Frau Shifty when I tell her I need a bigger monitor tonight. ;)
LOL Shifty, I am just a hop, skip and a jump from your place. Give me a time and I will show up in dark glasses, a cane......and a copy of the Aces High manual..........in braille. That should do it. :)
BTW, I have the same prob. Couldn`t see a black cat in a snowstorm, gamewise. That is why I was moaning and groaning about the teeney weeney guages in some rides when they were redone. Thus the infamous "Chigger Size Gauges" phrase.
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I've always wondered what part of the R.O.T. you called home Jackal. There are quite a few of us in NE Tx. Slash, Dichotomy and I were thinking we need to all get together one of these days.
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Originally posted by seabat
Every time I fly with Pipz I am blind
Yeah, 40's and viz problems, usually at dusk and dawn. Gamma thing really does not help either.
Time for a 40 plus arena!
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Originally posted by pipz
That must be because im such a "Shinning" example of a good guy:aok
Shifty a bigger screen may help but I honestly think its just the background clutter.Thats why stuff has camo ,to hide it.
Pipz
.....ummm....sorry to tell ya bud, its your singing! Blowes the eardrums, and the concusion from the explosion just shears off the optic nerves. :p
Use to use a 22" CRT, switched to a 19" LCD. About the same size viewing screen, but the LCD is much sharper, and it did help spotting them darting little blurs.
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Originally posted by Goat1
I switched from a 15" CRT to a 22" LCD wide screen, helps, but
still use reading glasses.
And Shifty, you asked about a larger monitor. Over the years, I had a 15", 19" then I got the iMac with a 24" monitor. I use tri-focals (50 years old), and for me it's much easier with a large monitor.
Will it solve all the problems that have been mentioned? I don't know. But hey, you get a whomping big monitor out of it :D
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Thanks Hap.
I'm set on an upgrade anyway. I think I'll start with the monitor this week. The worst thing that could happen is like you say, I'll have a bigger monitor!:aok
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The worst scenario vision wise is a plane low at your 12 over water - I find that just about impossible.
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I'm 46...
Same thing started with me about 5 years ago.
Cheapest FIX...
Go to Walmart, drug prescription area, there will be a display of reading glasses, from $7-$21...find the strength that fits you by trying to read ingredients (small print) on nearby items.
Fly with reading glasses on.
Works GREAT!
68ROX
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Originally posted by Slash27
I cant hit a damn thing from a dead 6.
I know there are times when I'm banging away all my ammo at some guy and he has to be laughing his butt off that I can't hit him. It always seems though I'm easy to hit from dead six.
I've gone the reading glasses route for about 5 years now 68ROX, but even that is failing me now.
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Lol, had the same problem, was using a 15" lcd, now using a 22" lcd, much much better...still have problems seeing the dots, but being a glasses wearer, cant blame them...lol...upside is, way bigger monitor.....no downside :aok
Mind you, still cant hit a cows prettythang with a banjo....
Wurzel
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Originally posted by Slash27
I cant hit a damn thing from a dead 6.
I won't even take dead six shots any more. now I let loose a stream of bbs and once the quarry gets nervous and does the stupid I toss a tater.
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Originally posted by storch
I won't even take dead six shots any more. now I let loose a stream of bbs and once the quarry gets nervous and does the stupid I toss a tater.
Not a bad idea at all Storch.
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I am 24 and I see where u are comming from, a dark plane vs a dark background makes for harder shots, your eyes naturally want to focus on other objects. but i do have a 22 inch widescreen monitor and it does help with the size of the enemy target and the ability to hit.
My game dramaticly improved with upgradeing from a 17 inch. Its not old age thats the problem, its the eyes natural ability to see dark objects on light colors. and alot of planes are painted to be camoflaged making them harder to hit while facing the ground.
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45, and I'll find that sometimes far stuff looks blurred..which I found means that my focusing system has been spazzed out trying to keep up close things right. Bifocals for a bit helps for a while.
I find LCD made a big difference, probably because of sharper contrast compared with the monitor I was using. Tweaking the monitor control settings helped, as did having the monitor do its auto- adjust thing. Almost wasnt worth flying when the dark graphics were in, but with the update havent noticed much trouble.
Don't forget the effect of room and background light. Playing with those can improve the contrast the eye actually sees.
When the planes are hard to pick out, I've also had improved success tracking "the thing that rides over the icon." Bright red icon has helped in game low light, and alpha slider at dawn and dusk help too.
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Originally posted by Shifty
I've always wondered what part of the R.O.T. you called home Jackal. There are quite a few of us in NE Tx. Slash, Dichotomy and I were thinking we need to all get together one of these days.
I`m just over here in the badlands of Lake Tawakoni.
We have talked about this before. I am the one who moved here from next door to the tonk at the edge of SS. :)
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Just blame poor vision on a old cuncussion, throw these words in, at any oppertune time......................... ............................. .............. "oh by the way, the older I get, the faster I was"...(david baileys infamous words.):cool:
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Reading glasses here as well :(
What Storch sez about the dot works well.
btw... Rockwall here when you guys grab that beer :D
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Originally posted by Jackal1
I`m just over here in the badlands of Lake Tawakoni.
We have talked about this before. I am the one who moved here from next door to the tonk at the edge of SS. :)
That's right we basically swapped locations, I moved from Point, to Sulphur Springs, three years ago.
The older I get the faster I was........... That's good stuff Klink.:aok
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Wow I guess I'm not the only one, when low I have to get the enemey above me against the sky backdrop or I cant see them. Im 53, been using reading glasses for awhile, I remember for the longest time when AW had the 2d or 3d option I stayed with 2d because it was easier to see.
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48 here with bi-focals. I just sit far enough back from the monitor that I can see it clearly. If I lean in close for detail -just lift your head to look thru the reading part of your glasses. I have a 19" monitor, and don't have clearness problems. As far as seeing a/c against the trees, as others have said, that's what camoflauge is for - although that big red icon is sort of a dead giveaway . . .
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Originally posted by SKJohn
48 here with bi-focals. I just sit far enough back from the monitor that I can see it clearly. If I lean in close for detail -just lift your head to look thru the reading part of your glasses. I have a 19" monitor, and don't have clearness problems. As far as seeing a/c against the trees, as others have said, that's what camoflauge is for - although that big red icon is sort of a dead giveaway . . .
Camoflauge on aircraft realistically is only good for long distance, like initial contact. Once you're within 200 yards of an aircraft the size of a WWII fighter that's moving at 200 MPH + I don't care how good the camo is, you'll see the plane. Plus my last instance of this I was chasing a silver P-51D on the deck last night. That's some camo.:)
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Forty-bloody-five and can't read stuff up close or very small print. Got a cheap set of reading glasses if I need them. Don't use them for AH. Have same problem as everyone else with chasing planes around trees. Icon is a dead give away but it's guess work as to where the con is below that.
Anywhere else there easy to see. Only other trick I can think of is making Icons smaller in GUI......... down side is then reading friendlies names but a titchy Icon is going to sit right on that cons head :D
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A few years ago my fighter hit % started getting worse and worse. Now, even with drugstore reading glasses I can barely manage to hit 5% most of the time.
I don't know what's keeping me from the optometrist, I just turned 54 and will have to give in soon. When I do, watch out!!!
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Originally posted by Flatbar
I don't know what's keeping me from the optometrist
Not wanting to admit to myself my age seems to work keeping me away.:p
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Only 44 here, some of my fondest AH memories are stealing PIPZ's kills hehe
Rob
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Originally posted by rob53
Only 44 here, some of my fondest AH memories are stealing PIPZ's kills hehe
Rob
Horrible Rob horrible..................... .......................
Pipz
P.S. SO theres no mis-understanding.I meant its Horrible stealing my kills.Although bein 44 is Horrible enough Muhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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49 here and with work and play both involving PC's my vision is on the same par with a married guys sexlife - nonexistant. Found I needed glasses in 95, bi-focals in 97 and finally trifocals in 99.
Rob53 those are good memories try to build more of them !!
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
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Originally posted by seabat
Every time I fly with Pipz I am blind
Yeah, 40's and viz problems, usually at dusk and dawn. Gamma thing really does not help either.
Time for a 40 plus arena!
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.....ummm....sorry to tell ya bud, its your singing! Blowes the eardrums, and the concusion from the explosion just shears off the optic nerves. :p
Yea I do hit them high notes pretty good dont I Mariah has NOTHING on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Muhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Pipz
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Originally posted by xbrit
Rob53 those are good memories try to build more of them !!
I detect a systamatic multi level anti Pipz conspiracy in the works....my operatives and I will be watching:noid
Pipz
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That is a slick trick storch!
Shifty you might consider a verysmall paper sticky dot before you mark your screen with a marker.
I have had a 21” screen for years, but have noted my sight is not as good as it used to be over time. My biggest surprise came when last summer I bought sondog a new 19” flat screen. Wow, it really looks better than my old CRT 21” screen. Just to give you an idea when he and I duel he spots my dot a good 15 seconds before I spot his. Also when we fly together he always spots enemy dots before I do.
Bottom line is go to the doc and have your eyes checked. :)
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Time to invest in 36" flat screen monitor manufacturing companies...
I'm gonna be rich! :)
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Im 44 soon to be 45 and I been waering glasses since I was 6. I cant see jackdoodly below the horizen. Every now and then on a couple of the maps where the ground isn't so dark I can do "ok" but most of the time its a guess.
And like Storch.....dead 6 shots are not even an options most of the time. Just a few bb's to try to turn em. otherwise I'll blow 50's at em all day and MAYBE get a hit or 3.
I even mapped the zoom key to my X52 to try to help...just makes me auger easier.
Think I will try that dit trick....but I have a question for Storch....
Could I go offline...fly a 47 level....hold thr trigger...and do it that way? use the zoom option to make it easier to see the point where all the 50's are hitting?
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Thanks for all the ideas and help guys. Looks like I got a lot of experiments to do. Golfer you may be on to something.:lol
All
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i have upped my gamma a little but its the planes camo' doing its work. any one else change skins to weather or time of day? if its bright i take a brighter skin..darker i put on the navy blue. i dont take bright colored planes to the deck too much. i like the grey paint the best hanging out in the clouds blending in.
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I never tried that RT. I did what seemed like the best way to get a known point. the funny thing is if you draw a string from corner to corner from all four corners diagonally the point where the strings intersect is the center of the screen and the dead aim point. in time have developed a 1000 point and a 1.5 point. it works like bangers in the ostie if you elevate the chair. whacking LVTs out to about 2k is easy. I fire one round at a time until I hit then go to auto fire.
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Originally posted by storch
snip... once the quarry gets nervous and does the stupid I toss a tater.
If that is slang for what i think it is ..no wonder you cant see!:lol
I have tried the dot on the screen trick, and for an entire week I was wondering why all the "Ladies" on the internet seemed to be prone to precancerous moles!
I did upgrade to a bigger screen with much improvement, but I suspect if my eyes get much worse my wife is bound to eventually catch me in a "private" moment with a "nice centerfold" from Ducks Unlimited or Popular Science lol !:rofl
hey I swear I googled for "redheads"!
:cool: (http://home.nyc.rr.com/sausubel/redhead1.jpg)
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dont worry shifty ..i have the same problem when the plane dives and my screen fill;s with landscape...46y/old here...just grow old gracefully........2chance
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Originally posted by storch
I never tried that RT. I did what seemed like the best way to get a known point. the funny thing is if you draw a string from corner to corner from all four corners diagonally the point where the strings intersect is the center of the screen and the dead aim point. in time have developed a 1000 point and a 1.5 point. it works like bangers in the ostie if you elevate the chair. whacking LVTs out to about 2k is easy. I fire one round at a time until I hit then go to auto fire.
Thanks...gonna give this ago. (hopes this will improve his gunnery...cause it SUKS now)
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I hate to disappoint you FBplmmr but the stupid is to try and chandelle away from 109, a tater is the 30mm round which is virtually lobbed in slow motion out of my cartoon mk108 cannon.
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Originally posted by RedTop
Thanks...gonna give this ago. (hopes this will improve his gunnery...cause it SUKS now)
well sir I have been on the receiving end of that alleged sucky gunning and all I can say is OUCH!!
my hit% went from about 3 to 7 for the average tour. I hope you will do better.
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Originally posted by storch
I hate to disappoint you FBplmmr but the stupid is to try and chandelle away from 109, a tater is the 30mm round which is virtually lobbed in slow motion out of my cartoon mk108 cannon.
BUT NOT NEARLY AS FUNNY:p
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I cant see stuff either, but alot of it is my moniter, pc etc.
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Age 65 here, with the same problem. It helps a LOT to do the following:
(1) increase detail in AH. Maybe resolution too, but just increasing the detail will give you the occasional glint on a metal surface, or some more intense colour, to keep you focused.
(2) Get a monitor with variable settings of brightness for games. I use a 19 inch Viewsonic (2 years old) and push a button on the front of it to set it to ultrabright x3 for gaming. (If you are watching porno flicks, press the button again for 5x bright for real clinical display ROFL). At ultrabright x3 there isn't a bandit that can hide in the weeds.
(3) Go to your local pharmacy, and buy glasses which are little more than magnifying lenses, and use em only for AH. It will sharpen your vision a whole lot on the screen just feet in front of you. Probably anywhere from 1.5x lenses to 2 for starters. You should be able to test em in the store. Put a pair on, and try to read the small print on aspirin labels etc. No fooling... this makes a HUGE difference for me! It also helps with taking the right medication, I might add.
I am serious about numbers 1 through 3. However, you may also find the following useful.
(4) Don't sneeze while you are drooling. It gunks up the screen and looks like terrain if you don't clean it off right away.
(5) Napping while playing AH is not recommended, but sometimes the benefits so outweigh the risks that . . . .
eh?
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I have the same problem and my vision is fairly good. At certain times of the AH day the low light levels make it harder to pick stuff out.
To add to my problems not everything in the game renders in true 3d. And I play in stereo 3d. Icons for example, render on a different depth level. Which can really throw your aim off. I turned off tracers, make the icons smaller, and changed the colours of the icons the be less 'glaring', it helped a lot.
I still suck at 6 shots, but my snapshots are fairly good.
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I've had vision problems since the last release. I swear visual distances have changed, to me tanks appear smaller at short range (to me what was the size of a panzer at 1200-1500 is now 800) and planes are next to impossible to spot until they are very close. But Waffle says it's still 15? miles. (I might be wrong on the distance it might be 5) :)
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The screen dot and the zoom key mapped to a stick button. I don't zoom all the way in, just enuf to maybe increase target size 20% or so.
Get real close and just as you feel the urge to press the trigger, hit the zoom button and fine tune.
Oh, and Sam's Club cheaters, of course. I'm using 2x for gaming.
Works for me.
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unless you set your larger monitor at a lower resolution, the larger monitor does not help you see any better.
I have a 24" dell but run it at 1920x1200 so the planes are still very small. I zoom in alot when I am in close to help see better.
think I'd rather miss what I am shooting at in AH then stare at a dot in the center of my monitor the rest of the time I'm on the computer LOL
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there are other uses for a computer??
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When I turned 50 I started using the WalMart special glasses. 1.99 with a magnification of 1.5. I finally had to break down and see an Eye Doctor and get prescription glasses. Within a year and a half I had to see the Eye Doctor again and get a new prescription. I do notice I shoot better when I get new glasses. When my bullets hit nothing but air it's time to make another appointment and sure enough I need new glasses.
Got my first set of prescription glasses at 56 and 18 months later I had to get another prescription. And yes I use a 22inch monitor flying at 1280X1024 hi-res.
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Hmmmmmm...I don't think it has anything to do with age. Before the "frames friendly" landscape was introduced...it was easy to pick up targets against the ground. Since the change....to the dark side....its been harder to see ANYTHING!
When they first changed it....you couldn't even see the HILLS if you were AGL 100. Lots of people complained and it got a little better. But nothing like it was before the change.
Do a search on Gamma and Terrain....you will see the same.... I can't see s**t! complaints.
It is what it is.
Softail
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Actually softtail I was having this problem before the changes.
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Originally posted by Shifty
Actually softtail I was having this problem before the changes.
Really? Hmmmmmmm......how many fingers am I holding up now? ;-)
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Didn't your mom teach you that was rude?:D
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Dear Mrs Shifty,
When She Devil allowed me to purchase the 23" flat panel so I could enjoy the game more I suddenly became easier to live with, my flatulance practically disappeared, and the dogs quit cowering when I was at my controls after a few weeks of deprogramming, and all four of the children quit hiding in their rooms.
Just a thought.
Your friend
Dicho :D
PS a video card that supports two monitors makes for a happier mate as well.
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Originally posted by Softail
Really? Hmmmmmmm......how many fingers am I holding up now? ;-)
can't tell, they're all buried in your nose :P
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
I suddenly became easier to live with, my flatulance practically disappeared,
That won't work Dicho, she's met you in person remember. :lol
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Try setting a button to toggle your zoom....... When your following or on thier 6 you can toggle the zoom and see them just fine.
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I can't tell if storch is joking or not when he says take a sharpie to your monitor, but that would be a bad idea for an LCD screen since it's plastic, not glass. I'd say if you want to go that route then put a dot on a piece of scotch tape and use that.
Also, I've found that lowering the ambient lighting and adjusting the gamma (in game) and color balance (on the monitor) can go a long way to helping in-game vision. As well, crank your refresh rate up to its max on a CRT monitor. I don't think that has much effect on LCD since they don't scan the way CRTs do.
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my monitor is a dinosaur, I have a viewsonic A91f+ it is CRT. so forgive me for not considering those that may have a different type of monitor
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Originally posted by storch
my monitor is a dinosaur, I have a viewsonic A91f+ it is CRT. so forgive me for not considering those that may have a different type of monitor
Do you play in ultrabrite 3X or 5X?
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5x capable but I leave it in normal mode because something has to have a sense of normalcy in my life. :D
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Originally posted by storch
my monitor is a dinosaur, I have a viewsonic A91f+ it is CRT. so forgive me for not considering those that may have a different type of monitor
No.
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well... ok then. don't
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I had catarac surgery a year ago,both eyes,was legally blind before the operation. I had great eyesite after for about 2 months then lost all close vision.
So I saw the eye Dr. again and was told I needed reading glasses,I told him I used the computer alot and he adjusted the focal lenght so I could see my monitor properly.Saddly this didnt solve the reading problem,so I have 2 pairs of glasses,1 for computer,the other for reading.
The only other thing to do is get a 42 to 60 in.LCD monitor...:lol :lol :lol
if ya cant see that then ur blind......
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Originally posted by Shifty
That won't work Dicho, she's met you in person remember. :lol
well I tried :D
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Originally posted by wooley
The worst scenario vision wise is a plane low at your 12 over water - I find that just about impossible.
This is why I think the 'new' water is crap. I've been in the SEA racing and some of the maps still have beautiful blue water that you can see objects against.
Generally, the last 2 updates ( the major update, and the one right after to fix the first one -- and didn't completly) left us with some visual difference in terms of distance viewing. Prior to coming into icon range, cons are harder to spot. Alot harder. They have to be much close than they used to, to register.
Also, a bit harder against the new terrain (which I like, for the most part) and definitely harder against the new water, which IMO, stinks, if for no other reason than it's so drab and dreay lookin.
Also, they seem to have increased a haze affect which really irritates my eyes when trying to squint into the distance. During twilight hours (in the game) it feels like flying in a light fog sometimes. Not fun.
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Originally posted by stickpig
Try setting a button to toggle your zoom....... When your following or on thier 6 you can toggle the zoom and see them just fine.
Been doing that for years, helps a little but for some reason I have to zoom back out usually. The zoom feature makes my aim even worse, as if that could be possible.:p
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Originally posted by storch
well... ok then. don't
Ohhh I can't stay mad at you. I forgive you.
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boy, whewwwwww that's a relief.
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I know, right?