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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: CAP1 on July 16, 2007, 10:07:54 PM
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now i know you all think this is another ""he collided with me whine"""
but it's not. i've been gettin curiousl lately.......in the arenas, there are collisions.....it has to happen, as we get too close to each other.
now go back to 1942.........me109's slicing through formations of hundreds of b17's and b24's. our guys in p51's and p47's, and later i think p38's trying to intercept them. now there's all kinds of fighting going on near the formations..........hans tryin to shoot down the bombers, joe tryin to stop hans, twisting turning..........so.......... ..wonder how frequent mid airs were in the reality of air combat?
please don't flame me for this.....its just an observation....
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john
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someone watches Dogfights on the History Channel.....
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Originally posted by CAP1
now i know you all think this is another ""he collided with me whine"""
Chances are good it will turn into one...
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Originally posted by Lusche
Chances are good it will turn into one...
ya know what lusche.....i hate to admit it...but you're probably right sir:rofl
it's not the intention though
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john
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
someone watches Dogfights on the History Channel.....
ya, i do...but i also used to read as much as i could find on the air wars of ww2 when i was in school(a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away)
back then it was just the beauty of the machinery, and the bravery of the men involved. never used to think of possible consequences of risky actions like htat when i was young......
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john
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Dont know about the frequency of collisions but here is an interesting one
The Piggyback WWII Miracle (http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/p/piggyback.htm)
"The amazing story of a World War II pilot whose B-17 bomber collided in mid-air with another B-17 and became locked to it in piggy-back fashion.
The pilot kept control to allow crew members to bail out then he and his co-pilot guided the crippled craft to a crash landing that destroyed both planes, but they survived with no major injuries! "
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Well, chances are if they collided, they didn't get a chance to tell about it....
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Originally posted by CAP1
our guys in p51's and p47's, and later i think p38's trying to intercept them.
Just thought I would inform you that the P38 was there escorting bombers before the P51. As a matter of fact the P38 was the first allied escort fighter to fly over Berlin, a credit which is often given to the P51.
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Originally posted by Raptor
Just thought I would inform you that the P38 was there escorting bombers before the P51. As a matter of fact the P38 was the first allied escort fighter to fly over Berlin, a credit which is often given to the P51.
i stand corrected sir......i had it backwards............thanks!!!!!
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john
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Dont know about the frequency of collisions but here is an interesting one
The Piggyback WWII Miracle (http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/p/piggyback.htm)
"The amazing story of a World War II pilot whose B-17 bomber collided in mid-air with another B-17 and became locked to it in piggy-back fashion.
The pilot kept control to allow crew members to bail out then he and his co-pilot guided the crippled craft to a crash landing that destroyed both planes, but they survived with no major injuries! "
wow:aok
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Originally posted by Waffle
Well, chances are if they collided, they didn't get a chance to tell about it....
understood, but i think you get what i'm getting at?
oo...and although i forget the name, there WAS a german pilot that collided his me109 with a b17 delibretly.....it sheard his wing, throwing it into another b17, throwing him out of the cockpit.....he survived
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john
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Collisions between bombers on night raids were (according to my father) more common than the RAF were prepared to admit.
During a night raid crews worried about this as much as any enemy action.
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I got a question kinda related to this subject, does anyone know what determines who gets the collision message in AH?
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
someone watches Dogfights on the History Channel.....
Apparently someone else watches Dogfights on the History Channel .....
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Trax1, it's based purely upon whether your front end detects that your aircraft strikes another object.
(The next question is probably going to be "how come someone runs into me and I die and they don't", right? If so, the answer is netlag - it takes a quarter second or so for your machine to receive the information about where their aircraft is (speed of light and host turnaround and all that), and a 1/4 second at 250 mph is a significant distance when one of you is trading paint! So on their system, the collision never happened.)
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Originally posted by trax1
I got a question kinda related to this subject, does anyone know what determines who gets the collision message in AH?
If you colide on "your" computer, you get the "you have collided with..." message. If the other guy colides on "his" computer, you will see the "so-and-so has collided with you" message. In most cases, if "you" colide, "you" take the damage.
Last night I was in a rolling scissors with "SirLoin" in his Yak. We were getting pretty slow over the top, and he kinda "flopped" at the top of a roll, and flopped right into my flight path and I hit him. I don't think he took any damage, but I had engine damage and the fight was over.
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Originally posted by trax1
I got a question kinda related to this subject, does anyone know what determines who gets the collision message in AH?
It's not even remotely related to this thread ... Lusche's prediction has now come true.
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Originally posted by trax1
I got a question kinda related to this subject, does anyone know what determines who gets the collision message in AH?
How Internet Lag Affects Aces High (http://www.netaces.org/lag/lag.htm) explains how the collisions work.
Regards,
Hammer
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They SHOULD both die from collisions.
-WMD
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There we go... :D
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Watch "Not My Time to Die" (again). "One second the sky is full of aircraft, then nothing...."
I think the idea was to intercept prior to the enemy hitting the bombers if possible vs. dogfighting amongst them. Gunners shoot first and determine at whom later.
Interception as well, fly through as quickly as possible to limit exposure.
Just my perception though.
wrngway
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Originally posted by Ghastly
Trax1, it's based purely upon whether your front end detects that your aircraft strikes another object.
(The next question is probably going to be "how come someone runs into me and I die and they don't", right? If so, the answer is netlag - it takes a quarter second or so for your machine to receive the information about where their aircraft is (speed of light and host turnaround and all that), and a 1/4 second at 250 mph is a significant distance when one of you is trading paint! So on their system, the collision never happened.)
Did you really have to answer this? Now look what you started!
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Originally posted by WMDnow
They SHOULD both die from collisions.
-WMD
Future winner of the Darwin award.
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I absolutely love these collision threads!!!:aok
they are the laugh out loud best entertainment you can have on these forums!
I especially like the people who post AFTER the film screens are posted!:lol
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Originally posted by WMDnow
They SHOULD both die from collisions.
-WMD
You should be whacked with a stick until you understand they shouldn't.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
You should be whacked with a stick until you understand they shouldn't.
Bronk
Agreed.
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OK, I know, I know the predicted collision model in the thread became true.... But would like to throw something out there for thought somewhat along the line of the original thread.
I'm sure there is no answer for this, but just something that has been wondered for some years.......
During the huge air fights in europe, britain and central europe.... There was massive amounts of ammo shot, cartridges expelled, shrapnel from flak, rounds from other AA batteries, as well as pieces of planes shot off.
With all that metal going up, gravity rules persist that it also comes down. I wonder how many injuries or deaths came about while walking along the road, then "poof" a piece of metal or expended round comes from the sky and hits you. The odds might not have been that good you'd get hit, but still the odds would be there.
I don't know why, but have wondered about that when I see footage of the formations and fights.
Just pondering............
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I remember reading about a German pilot who crashed into a LaGG, his prop chewing through the LaGG's fuselage. IIRC, the LaGG went down and the the 109 returned to base successfully, albeit with a severely damaged prop, aileron and engine.
Also, I believe it was common practice for Russian pilots to ram German aircraft (particularly at the beginning of the war) due to the fact that the Russian pilots were so hopelessly inexperienced, ramming was their only real chance in air-to-air combat.
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Originally posted by Xasthur
I remember reading about a German pilot who crashed into a LaGG, his prop chewing through the LaGG's fuselage. IIRC, the LaGG went down and the the 109 returned to base successfully, albeit with a severely damaged prop, aileron and engine.
Also, I believe it was common practice for Russian pilots to ram German aircraft (particularly at the beginning of the war) due to the fact that the Russian pilots were so hopelessly inexperienced, ramming was their only real chance in air-to-air combat.
I've seen the same thing quite often in the MA:lol
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Originally posted by Coshy
Apparently someone else watches Dogfights on the History Channel .....
:rofl :aok :rofl :aok
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
If you colide on "your" computer, you get the "you have collided with..." message. If the other guy colides on "his" computer, you will see the "so-and-so has collided with you" message. In most cases, if "you" colide, "you" take the damage.
Last night I was in a rolling scissors with "SirLoin" in his Yak. We were getting pretty slow over the top, and he kinda "flopped" at the top of a roll, and flopped right into my flight path and I hit him. I don't think he took any damage, but I had engine damage and the fight was over.
If you colide on "your" computer, you get the "you have collided with
1)this one will be in orange
If the other guy colides on "his" computer, you will see the "so-and-so has collided with you" message.
2)this one will be in white
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Originally posted by hammer
How Internet Lag Affects Aces High (http://www.netaces.org/lag/lag.htm) explains how the collisions work.
Regards,
Hammer
thanks hammer, i was looking for tht link to put in here....but couldn't find it.....:aok
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john
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Originally posted by AKKaz
OK, I know, I know the predicted collision model in the thread became true.... But would like to throw something out there for thought somewhat along the line of the original thread.
I'm sure there is no answer for this, but just something that has been wondered for some years.......
During the huge air fights in europe, britain and central europe.... There was massive amounts of ammo shot, cartridges expelled, shrapnel from flak, rounds from other AA batteries, as well as pieces of planes shot off.
With all that metal going up, gravity rules persist that it also comes down. I wonder how many injuries or deaths came about while walking along the road, then "poof" a piece of metal or expended round comes from the sky and hits you. The odds might not have been that good you'd get hit, but still the odds would be there.
I don't know why, but have wondered about that when I see footage of the formations and fights.
Just pondering............
ya know..i kinda was wondering that too.....but i was afraid enough putting forth the question i did........but you DO have a good point though :aok
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john
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Perk the Spent Cartridges!!
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Originally posted by ROC
Perk the Spent Cartridges!!
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl