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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Waffle on July 20, 2007, 03:41:01 PM
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enjoy!
clicky here! (http://downloads.hitechcreations.com/b25ga.wmv)
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Tease.
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:lol :lol :lol :rofl :rofl :rofl
thx for the sneakpeek,looks good:aok
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Dare I ask for more? :D
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:aok
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I want to fly the b25. I can be at the HTC office in 20 minutes. What time do you close. I can bring beer, pizza, and sheep.
:D
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:rofl doh! that was funny... nice sneak peek :aok so 2 weeks right?
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well that was no .50 cal :eek:
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Thanks Waffle
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:D :aok
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Well, thanks, and..... CRAP!
I have to find a different plane to skin now... My profiles weren't for tater-tossers.
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thanks :aok
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For all those who said " We wont get the 75mm cannon variant.".
:p :p :p :p :lol :lol :lol :p :p :p
Bronk
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How much fun will it be killing tanks in TT now :)?
Btw how many 75mm rounds did a B25 have?
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How much fun will it be killing guys in B25s who are trying to, but cannot, kill tanks with a gun that doesn't penetrate armor :P
Bronk: Personally, I kind of expected it, but I was one saying "C/J would be best" (hoping for a different mark)
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In this game you can kill tanks with HE :) :P
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Originally posted by Husky01
How much fun will it be killing tanks in TT now :)?
Btw how many 75mm rounds did a B25 have?
Just out of my crappy memory: 21 - but I am not 100% sure
I guess when the B-25 comes out, I will many times take a Ostwind to enemy airfields. All B-25 fans will be eager to up this low lumbering target to kill GVs now ;)
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Kewl.:cool: Very Kewl
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Lookin' nice waffle!
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:cool:
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*gets potatoe gun ready and polishes 109*
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now for the mossie with a molans
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oh cool. looking great waffle!
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that plane is sweet, I had no idea it would have HE rounds to fire:D .
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Originally posted by Husky01
In this game you can kill tanks with HE :) :P
No you KS with HE rounds.
Bronk
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You all do know,that Ho'ing is gonna take a whole new meaning if that "potato" gun hits :rofl :D :t :aok
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Originally posted by Wes14
You all do know,that Ho'ing is gonna take a whole new meaning if that "potato" gun hits :rofl :D :t :aok
No. Its no different in this game then by getting hit with a 109 110s 190s Yak taters. One hit one kill.
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Well, get hit by other planes you'll probably fall to the ground missing lots of parts. Get hit by this, and you're just in the tower!
Not that I'd expect it to be very successful as a HO machine :D (poor ballistics, you know)
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I cant wait to use it to attack B17/B24 formations!
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(http://www.filmfodder.com/movies/reviews/pearl_harbor/images/pearl_harbor.jpg)
Ben Affleck time :D
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I cant wait to use it to attack B17/B24 formations!
HAH!
Like you'd be able to catch 'em!
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i bet the whining over people that get tatered by the B25's potato gun will be hilarious too :D
I might fly it just to see how bad i can raise the mayhem-o-meter and the whine-o-meter. :)
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I would still rather have the strafer B25J with the fixed nose 8x50s. That giant cannon will be useless.
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+4 cheek guns for 12x!
Only 300rpg, but still worth it!
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did someone say 12 50cals!?!?!
i can be a one person FR killer if i turned on tracers :rofl :) :p
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yeah the J strafer would be brilliant. H is different though. we have the a20 with a strafer package. atleast the H has an original weapons package. would be nice to have a level bombing version though.
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Originally posted by Krusty
+4 cheek guns for 12x!
Only 300rpg, but still worth it!
Im still working for a 38L superstrafer which also had 12x50s. 8x50s in the nose and 4x50s equipped in wingpods. A B25 would be a start for this 38 monster. :D
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A20 be damned!!! :D
B-25 > A20!!! (just for sheer coolness factor)
Not to mention a strafer nosed B25 would have 2x the guns as an A20, and actually be able to use its defensive guns in... you know.. defense!
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Event designers have collectively soiled themselves.
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They're not alone.
What? :huh
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B-25H....
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
B-25H....
My regards,
Widewing
Could be a G too.
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Its a G. My video didnt load first time and It said B25G at the side
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Originally posted by Krusty
How much fun will it be killing guys in B25s who are trying to, but cannot, kill tanks with a gun that doesn't penetrate armor :P
Thats funny - I see plenty of guys 'killing' tanks with .50 cals. The AP round from my M4 was obviously just the straw that broke the camels back after their 500 round bb barrage. Otherwise I wouldn't have got an assist - right?
:rolleyes: :D
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Originally posted by wooley
Thats funny - I see plenty of guys 'killing' tanks with .50 cals. The AP round from my M4 was obviously just the straw that broke the camels back after their 500 round bb barrage. Otherwise I wouldn't have got an assist - right?
No.
You can and will get kills on GV without really damaging at all. Many a Tiger was "killed" by MG starfing fighters that way in this game. The reason for that is part of the damage / kill credit system were the tracks kinda "soak up" your bullets. It's not enough to hurt the tank, but enough to get you the credit by sheer volume hof hits.
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Guess I should have voted for the P-39 afterall. At least it would be a plane that would have been flown some.
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Originally posted by macleod01
Its a G. My video didnt load first time and It said B25G at the side
It said B25ga... (ga for ground attack... title of the clip)
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Cool sneak peak. TY
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um, my stupidity
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Very Nice, thanks !!
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa232/MitchTBF/b25ga_0001.jpg)
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Hehe, Waffle.
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so is ben Affleck modeled as the pilot? :rofl
oh yea i forgot to say
HTC!!
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If you pause it when he zooms in you can see 2800 MG and 98 HE.
I'm not saying thats the loadout, but thats what is indicated on the ammo counter.
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Ok, after reviewing the video several times, I have changed my mind on the model of the B-25. Since this B-25 has a co-pilot yoke, it can't be a B-25H as they had provision for one pilot only. Moreover, on the H model, the lower left-front glass was replaced with blast shield. Therefore, it must be a B-25G.
My regards,
Widewing
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I wonder if a couple variants will be presented. One the normal bomber setup, and maybe perked strafer and big gun versions.
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Originally posted by Bronk
No you KS with HE rounds.
Bronk
Not true . . . Unless the MA works differently from the DA. Some squaddies and I did some testing a couple of months back -- and I was killing them with HE rounds. It is possible, but you have to hit thin armor (side/rear) at almost a 90 degree angle to prevent a ricochet.
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Thanx Waffle
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If its an H model, you'll still get 8X.50's for strafing. Four in the nose and four cheek mounted blisters. The 75mm is simply for morale purposes only...:aok
to HTC for having the gumption to model the weapon.
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Very nice Waffle, now just update your sound pack for this puppy.
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Originally posted by Stoney74
If its an H model, you'll still get 8X.50's for strafing. Four in the nose and four cheek mounted blisters. The 75mm is simply for morale purposes only...:aok
to HTC for having the gumption to model the weapon.
I believe Stoney thats the J variant. H had a different 75mm from the G I believe.
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Originally posted by E25280
Not true . . . Unless the MA works differently from the DA. Some squaddies and I did some testing a couple of months back -- and I was killing them with HE rounds. It is possible, but you have to hit thin armor (side/rear) at almost a 90 degree angle to prevent a ricochet.
You better post film of that.
Bronk
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After FSO I will post a film of a M8 using HE kill a tank.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
I believe Stoney thats the J variant. H had a different 75mm from the G I believe.
The G's and H's had 75mm. The J's did not.
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Oh, and can we see an exterior screen please? ;) Of a C model maybe?
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Originally posted by Widewing
Ok, after reviewing the video several times, I have changed my mind on the model of the B-25. Since this B-25 has a co-pilot yoke, it can't be a B-25H as they had provision for one pilot only. Moreover, on the H model, the lower left-front glass was replaced with blast shield. Therefore, it must be a B-25G.
My regards,
Widewing
I suppose it would make most sense to start with a C/D model, add the G with the cannon, and possibly the D strafer models with the field modified 50s in the nose.
All built off the same model as opposed to doing a J version and having to move the top turret, add the tail turret, waist guns etc.
More bang for your modeling buck
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C's were strafers too; same time frame. C/D is basically the same airplane.
Baugher
The B-25D was virtually identical to the B-25C, and many of the innovations introduced on the B-25D production line at Kansas City paralleled those introduced on the B-25C line at Inglewood. Generally, it was impossible to tell the difference between a B-25C and a B-25D without a knowledge of the serial numbers.
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Quitch was a D though right? We only think Quitch. Get with the program Toad. Gotta be a D :)
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Quitch was a C. :)
Interestingly, my Dad landed his Inglewood C model at the KC D model factory when he left Savannah for the Pacific Theater. Spent a few days here while they fixed a few write-ups that she'd been carrying since acceptance.
So his C was fixed at the D factory. :)
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From the sounds of the gun, they've modeled it as a tank gun on a plane, not just an aircraft gun.
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Will HT model the cockpit filling with smoke by the third shot, and the A/C losing so much airspeed that it's on the edge of a stall?
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Waffle as usual.....outstanding!
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Originally posted by Toad
Quitch was a C. :)
Interestingly, my Dad landed his Inglewood C model at the KC D model factory when he left Savannah for the Pacific Theater. Spent a few days here while they fixed a few write-ups that she'd been carrying since acceptance.
So his C was fixed at the D factory. :)
Wait a minute! Hickey's book ID's Quitch it as a D-1! :)
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Originally posted by macleod01
um, my stupidity
No stupidity man!... Just one of those little details!
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Originally posted by Stoney74
If its an H model, you'll still get 8X.50's for strafing. Four in the nose and four cheek mounted blisters. The 75mm is simply for morale purposes only...:aok
to HTC for having the gumption to model the weapon.
gumption? woulda been gumption to model it without the 75mm.
the OMFG it r useless and fills no gaps whining would have been EPIC.
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Originally posted by Yippee38
Will HT model the cockpit filling with smoke by the third shot, and the A/C losing so much airspeed that it's on the edge of a stall?
great job HTC!!! it looks that all that time was well spent:aok
yippee i cant understand sarcasm:cry was that sarcasm?
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looks like rounds in the 90s = HE
no killin tanks w/ HE tards just guns and sheds...
>s< froger <----learns from skyrock but still owns:D :D :D
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Originally posted by froger
looks like rounds in the 90s = HE
no killin tanks w/ HE tards just guns and sheds...
>s< froger <----learns from skyrock but still owns:D :D :D
before you jump to claim someone a tard you can use he rounds to kill tanks doyy tard:rolleyes:
btw you have to actually hit the tank:rofl
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(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/images/b25-014.jpg)
I dropped my lollipop when i saw this picture! Now theres fuzzy carpet junk on it!
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Cool, and we luftwobbles can't even get one friggin MG FF in JU88... :p
-C+
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
(http://www.filmfodder.com/movies/reviews/pearl_harbor/images/pearl_harbor.jpg)
Ben Affleck time :D
(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2710/9171181573945afflecked1.jpg)
Just HAD to post this :D
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it would be rather funny to skin the co pilot to resemble Ben...>
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Coshy: "If you pause it when he zooms in you can see 2800 MG and 98 HE. I'm not saying thats the loadout, but thats what is indicated on the ammo counter."
I'm sure they have it bumped up for testing purposes. 20-21 rounds, IIRC, is what 75mm armed American planes carried in the racks. No way you'd fit 98 HE rounds into a B-25 and have any room left for ord. Also, no way to know how many rounds fired off of .50's or 75mm before the clip, so trying to figure the load-out multiplier is all guesswork. If, the ammo was increased by a factor of 7, that would indicate 2 forward firing .50's with 400 rpg, plus the 75mm (which would have started out with 147 rounds before the film, so maybe hitting ground targets with slow ROF 75mm is a mite hard?) --- which would definitely indicate this was a G model. But, this is speculation.
Widewing: "Ok, after reviewing the video several times, I have changed my mind on the model of the B-25. Since this B-25 has a co-pilot yoke, it can't be a B-25H as they had provision for one pilot only. Moreover, on the H model, the lower left-front glass was replaced with blast shield. Therefore, it must be a B-25G."
Well, it's a G or an H anyways.
I concur that it looks to be a B-25 G model from the interior due to co-pilot's yoke, and speculation in regards to ammo multiplier used in testing.
That would mean 2 X .50's X 400 rpg in the nose (yes,two...a one and a two and a dat's all fer u), one dorsal turret with 2 X .50's X 400rpg, (possibly no) ventral turret with 2 X .50's X 350rpg (deleted in production run effective on B-25G No. 42-65001), no waist guns (IIRC, that was a field mod to G's that removed the ventral turret), the heavier version of the 75mm cannon with a ROF of about 12-15 rpm, top speed at around 275 to 281 mph at 15,000 feet, dive speeds probably approaching 350mph, 670 US gallons fuel on-board (there were a few later mods to fuel capacity), and a normal bomb load of only 3,000 pounds. I don't think the G model had the wing mounts that late models did, but I'm not sure.
But, wouldn't be the strafer the H or J models were ..... war zone G's often were, but HTC seems to avoid modeling field modifications, which is probably a good idea.
FiLtH: "I cant wait to use it to attack B17/B24 formations!"
You are only a little faster than the B-17's and B-24's at 15K altitude. 10-15mph. Above that, the heavies will walk away from you. And if it is a G model (it seems to be), you've only got 2 forward firing .50's to help that spud gun take out bombers. Sounds like a choir, especially when you will be in range of the formation's guns.
Actually, since the G was pretty much a revised C/D model... some C's were rebuilt into the G's as a test bed, it sort of makes sense they would chose it to model.
Sanjaya wun!
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:aok :aok
are you giving us more then one B-25?
i seen that their were 98 rounds for the UBER canon,who many do we get before you shot any?
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Originally posted by Bronk
You better post film of that.
Bronk
I don't think any of us filmed it, but I would be happy to join you in the DA anytime to prove it out.
We were actually trying to test the HVAP round, which seemed underpowered in the MA. We then moved to the theory that HE works better than AP for tracking tanks -- and we were surprised to get as many outright kills as tracking.
Again, the tests were from in close and hitting at an almost 90 degree angle, and of course does not work as well as AP.
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Originally posted by Krusty
A20 be damned!!! :D
B-25 > A20!!! (just for sheer coolness factor)
Not to mention a strafer nosed B25 would have 2x the guns as an A20, and actually be able to use its defensive guns in... you know.. defense!
Yeah, but the ME410 would have been really cool! :O
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
are you giving us more then one B-25?
i seen that their were 98 rounds for the UBER canon,who many do we get before you shot any?
You'll probably get 21 rounds with probable a ROF (rate of Fire) of around 12 to 15 rounds per minute in the online arenas, which is close to historic.
Offline, you can get whatever you want by changing the PlaneGunAmmoMult and PlaneAutoAmmoMult in the Arena Settings.
I'm betting on just the B-25G being added for now, with the outside possibility of the B-25C/D, since the only changes were the nose (1 X .50 fixed, 1 X .50 swivel, and Norden site as compared to 75mm and 2 X .50 fixed and extra armor for loader and HE rounds) whereas most of the plane (early model G's) were the same as the C/D's... thus very similar FM.
That would allow a single B-25G w spud gun for strafing be taken for a sortie, or B-25C/D's with drones for level bomb runs.
As to when all the other models of the B-25 might get added, I refer you to the older players who can tell you how long it took to get the P38L or P47N added to the plane sets from the initial addition of the those particular plane models.
NOTE: I screwed up math a little above.
2800 rds in counter split between 2 forward firing .50's comes down to 1400 rpg, which comes down to 200 rpg (if multiplier is 7) when it should historically be 400rpg, IIRC.
If it is 400 rpg, that would be a PlaneGunAmmoMult of 3.5 and would bring the HE to 73 rounds..... that does not work.... if both forward firing .50's were already added to the model.
If multiplier is 6 in stead of 7, it would be 433 rpg on .50's and 126 rds of HE... that's an odd count. If the multiplier is 5, it only works out to 280 rpg for .50's, which is too light.
And no combination of 2800 x .50 and 98 x He works out for 8 forward firing .50's for any ammo count multiplier, so I still believe it is safe that this is a G model being added.
Now, if only 1 forward firing .50 is modeled to far, then the 2800 rounds with a PlaneGunAmmoMult of 7 works out fine, and again opens the door for an H model..... except for the copilot seat as mentioned by Widewing, as he is right about no co-pilot position: The five-man crew consisted of the pilot, navigator-cannoneer-radioman, flight engineer-top turret gunner, waist gunner-camera operator and tail gunner. Three of five crew members had multiple jobs; there was no co-pilot or bombardier and only one waist gunner.
Of course, since the C/D only had 1 fixed forward firing .50, the ammo counter could allude to Waffle developing both a C/D and a G together, as the FM as so similar, and final adds to differentiate each model come after this film.
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love how the b25 is going to be the gun version.:aok
p51srule:aok
(when is it coming out anyway and dont give my that 2 week crap)
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Most B25 armament in the nose seemed to have 300 RPG, not 400. Even the 12-gun nose had only 300 RPG. The 4 cheek guns have 300 RPG. So dividing by 400 doesn't give you the right answer :t
(I just wanted to muck up your math)
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i seen 98 of the canon round's.Im asking how many rounds will the B-25 start out with in canon rounds.
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Only two more weeks til we get Ben Affleck!
(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2710/9171181573945afflecked1.jpg)
Just joking
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Originally posted by Krusty
Most B25 armament in the nose seemed to have 300 RPG, not 400. Even the 12-gun nose had only 300 RPG. The 4 cheek guns have 300 RPG. So dividing by 400 doesn't give you the right answer :t
(I just wanted to muck up your math)
Really? Most of what I saw seemed to indicate 400 rpg, as this was pretty common with most mounted .50's. You would see up to 500 rpg in some turrets, where the gunner could perform immediate action on jams.... much beyond 500, and the weight of the links and rounds tends to cause jams in the Browning M2 feeding correctly.
Well, the minimum PlaneGunAmmoMult to get the 21 rounds for a 75mm over 98 is a factor of 5 for 105 rounds to start... by PlaneGunAmmoMult of 5 or more does not work well for that 2800 rounds in the counter when looking at 300 rpg.
I suppose 8 X .50's X 350 rpg would work, with NO PlaneGunAmmoMult change.... which would mean the 75mm model has a much higher than normal count than what is historical in it's current form...... and the co-pilot yoke would be a mistake.
350 rpg x 2 .50's with a multiplier of 4 works....for the .50's..... comes up short for the 75mm though.
Hmmmmm.........
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
i seen 98 of the canon round's.Im asking how many rounds will the B-25 start out with in canon rounds.
And I'm betting on the historical 21 rounds of 75mm HE that was normally carried by the B-25G and H with a 75mm. You can adjust the ammo count multiplier in offline arena maps. Either Waffle has the multiplier turned up to 5 or higher in that server, or he has the ammo count run up for that particular mount for testing purposes.
You are not getting an airborne cannon with nearly 100 rounds of HE in it. SPECTRE doesn't even carry that much ord for it's 105mm (IIRC).
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Originally posted by tedrbr
And I'm betting on the historical 21 rounds of 75mm HE that was normally carried by the B-25G and H with a 75mm. You can adjust the ammo count multiplier in offline arena maps. Either Waffle has the multiplier turned up to 5 or higher in that server, or he has the ammo count run up for that particular mount for testing purposes.
You are not getting an airborne cannon with nearly 100 rounds of HE in it. SPECTRE doesn't even carry that much ord for it's 105mm (IIRC).
cool thanks :aok .
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Wait a minute! Hickey's book ID's Quitch it as a D-1! :)
LOL, you're right. Giganto brain fart, I guess.
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nice job:aok
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I'm going to have fun shooting down "Rafe" :aok
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Originally posted by evenhaim
before you jump to claim someone a tard you can use he rounds to kill tanks doyy tard:rolleyes:
btw you have to actually hit the tank:rofl
No worries for you tard boy you cant hit anything so it wont mater nohow.
the rest is not important its just dribble from the lips of some loudmouth named evan:aok
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Look for me on the ground evan...
FROGER <---------will be the guy in the ostie dropin you like a rock while yer tryin to get a HE round on a tank LMMFAO
Go ahead now sweeeeetie tell us all how good you are........LOOOOL]
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Now that would be cool...if you could find a tank.
Of course, the more B25's hunting in TT, the more fighters to kill them.
The natural balance of nature....................... ....................
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Nice! DOH!
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Originally posted by tedrbr
As to when all the other models of the B-25 might get added, I refer you to the older players who can tell you how long it took to get the P38L or P47N added to the plane sets from the initial addition of the those particular plane models.
The P-38L was added in patch 1.01 or 1.02 (I can't recall which, but it was before the Typhoon came in 1.03). :p
You were thinking of the P-38G and J. ;)
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:lol This should prove amusing.
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Originally posted by TalonX
Now that would be cool...if you could find a tank.
Of course, the more B25's hunting in TT, the more fighters to kill them.
The natural balance of nature....................... ....................
froger<-----moveing into TT with an osti.....this should be real fun now :D
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Originally posted by Lusche
No.
You can and will get kills on GV without really damaging at all. Many a Tiger was "killed" by MG starfing fighters that way in this game. The reason for that is part of the damage / kill credit system were the tracks kinda "soak up" your bullets. It's not enough to hurt the tank, but enough to get you the credit by sheer volume hof hits.
Dude - I know.
I'll make my sarcasm a little more obvious next time.
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Originally posted by wooley
Dude - I know.
I'll make my sarcasm a little more obvious next time.
Please do. Use simple words, smileys and huge font size for this poor old German :D
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HOW DO I DROP TALEHOOK? THIS PLAIN LOOKS SWEET!!! HOW COME I CANT TAKEOFF FROM CARRIOR?
Can't wait for NOE V base and port attacks.
Will we also be getting 100lbs-ers?
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Originally posted by jeebusro
HOW DO I DROP TALEHOOK? THIS PLAIN LOOKS SWEET!!! HOW COME I CANT TAKEOFF FROM CARRIOR?
Can't wait for NOE V base and port attacks.
Will we also be getting 100lbs-ers?
SQUEEK.
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Originally posted by jeebusro
HOW DO I DROP TALEHOOK? THIS PLAIN LOOKS SWEET!!! HOW COME I CANT TAKEOFF FROM CARRIOR?
Can't wait for NOE V base and port attacks.
Will we also be getting 100lbs-ers?
(http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/18/sniper_cat.jpg) (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=195)
Yep....can't wait. Will be like shooting squeaks in a barrel.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
(http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/18/sniper_cat.jpg) (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=195)
Yep....can't wait. Will be like shooting squeaks in a barrel.
I'll take your sniper and raise you a pair of twins.
(http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/19/cleavage-kitty.jpg)
(http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/17/BOOBIES.gif)
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Originally posted by Wolfala
I'll take your sniper and raise you a pair of twins.
(http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/19/cleavage-kitty.jpg)
(http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/17/BOOBIES.gif)
hubba hubba!
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Oh man... I'm so glad that post was recieved well. <3 bewbs
You fellas made work a lil less crappy.
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WOO WEE....what a blast it will when 10-20 B25 attack a base, :cool:
Can't wait to test drive it.. :D
:aok Waffle
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Originally posted by froger
SQEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
Hmm seems i killed your 262 a few tours ago still sour?:aok
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Originally posted by Wolfala
I'll take your sniper and raise you a pair of twins.
(http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/19/cleavage-kitty.jpg)
(http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/17/BOOBIES.gif)
:O