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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Ace8765 on July 21, 2007, 08:02:37 AM
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I think we should add more navel aircraft
A6M4-Jap plane that can be used in the Ports :D
BearCat--My dad asked me to add this :)
Hell Diver
Vindicater Torp bomber
Swordfish--slow yes, but the british needs a torp bomber :LOL:
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Don't hold your breath for the F8F. None saw combat in WWII.
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the Fairey Albacore
ohha whatabout the shooting star that got there 1944
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P-80 never saw combat in WWII.
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Noobs asking for stuff that never saw action... classic stuff.
Yes to Helldiver and that only.
-WMD
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Bring the BearCat to aces high!
I know it didn't see any action but man it was a beast!!
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what about the p59 or mig 9
wait is it p59?
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Im all for the swordfish!
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yes i do agree with the sordfish and the sea hurricane, but we have the b25 comin. that will be the new sea plane, we'll be doing mini doolittle raids if u know what i mean:D
p51srule :aok
"the Force is strong with this 1" Darth Vader
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sheeshh..... new blue water plane?
Has to be Judy Judy Judy. A MW dive bomber that has a prayer to get over it's target due to good speed.
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we already have enough jap planes, we need more italian planes.
VFp51:aok
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Has to be Judy Judy Judy.
Word.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
we already have enough jap planes, we need more italian planes.
VFp51:aok
get the G-55 or the savio machetti tri-moter we should
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The Bearcat was really ugly. There was no 'Sea Hurricane' It was called a Hurricat, it was launched off a catapult, it won't be in this game. We DON'T have enough Japanese planes, we have very few of them, I also would like Italian planes. Why a Tri-motor when we have a FASTER C47?
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Originally posted by Husky01
Bring the BearCat to aces high!
I know it didn't see any action but man it was a beast!!
F7F too : Tigercat
(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/0/06/250px-F7F-3P_Tigercat.jpg):p
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Originally posted by SpikesX
F7F too : Tigercat
(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/0/06/250px-F7F-3P_Tigercat.jpg):p
thats a nice looking plane!
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Im with Spikes on the F7F.That with the B-25 would be awesome.
;)
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F7F never saw combat in WWII either.
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Originally posted by WMDnow
The Bearcat was really ugly. There was no 'Sea Hurricane' It was called a Hurricat, it was launched off a catapult, it won't be in this game. We DON'T have enough Japanese planes, we have very few of them, I also would like Italian planes. Why a Tri-motor when we have a FASTER C47?
Wrong, there were sea hurricanes. They had tail hooks and carrier equipment. Most were based on older Hurr I frames, but then they started making them from Hurr IIs. Most had 8x .303s, I think a small % had hispanos.
They weren't as welcome on CVs though, because they didn't have folding wings and took up large amounts of hangar deck room. Still, there was a sea hurricane, and it was not the same as the hurricat (which you already described)
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Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
we already have enough jap planes, we need more italian planes.
As the topic is "New Naval Aircraft", which Italian Carrier-borne plane would you suggest?
BTW, Is it possible for an online thread topic to "Jump the Shark"??
(http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/batshark3bg0qc.gif) (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=1651)
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The BearCat was not a ugly plane. It resembles the F6F in my mind which is a very good looking plane.
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Sea Hurricane IA
The Sea Hurricane IA was a Hurricane Mk I modified by General Aircraft Limited. They were modified to be carried by CAM ships (catapult armed merchantman). These were cargo ships equipped with a catapult for launching an aircraft, but without facilities to recover them. Thus, if the aircraft were not in range of a land base, pilots were forced to bail out and be picked up by the ship. They were informally known as "Hurricats".
The majority of the aircraft modified had suffered wear-and-tear from serving with front line squadrons, so much so that at least one example used during trials broke-up under the stress of a catapult launching. 50 aircraft were converted from Hurricane Mk Is.
Sea Hurricane IB
Hurricane IIA Series 2 version equipped with catapult spools plus an arrester hook. From October 1941, they were used on Merchant aircraft carrier (MAC ships), which were large cargo vessels with a flight deck enabling aircraft to be launched and recovered. 340 aircraft were converted.
Sea Hurricane IC
Hurricane IIB and IIC version equipped with catapult spools, an arrester hook and the four-cannon wing. From February 1942 400 aircraft were converted.
Sea Hurricane IIC
Hurricane IIC version equipped with naval radio gear. 400 aircraft were converted and used on fleet carriers.
Sea Hurricane XIIA
Canadian-built Hurricane XIIA converted into Sea Hurricanes.
ack-ack
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:confused: I dont know much about Italian planes,but I dont think the Italians had Carrier-Based planes tedrbr.Can someone else think of any?
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Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
yes i do agree with the sordfish and the sea hurricane, but we have the b25 comin. that will be the new sea plane, we'll be doing mini doolittle raids if u know what i mean:D
p51srule :aok
"the Force is strong with this 1" Darth Vader
NO... the b25 we get will not be enabled from cv and thank cod for that.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
NO... the b25 we get will not be enabled from cv and thank cod for that.
Oh, but can you hear the faint echos of future whines come AHII ver 2.11 release?
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hey I like the smilies tedrbr
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Oh, but can you hear the faint echos of future whines come AHII ver 2.11 release?
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I agree :D
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i have seen footage of Bearcats shooting down zeros in combat but im sorry the forums wont let me add some of that footage :(
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Reason: They weren't bearcats.
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Bearkats saw absolutely no action in the war.
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maybe so, they still should be added into the game
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Originally posted by Ace8765
maybe so, they still should be added into the game
No, this is a ww2 game.
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:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Oh, but can you hear the faint echos of future whines come AHII ver 2.11 release?
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Hehe the whines are already here, and they are loud and clear :D
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Originally posted by Ace8765
Swordfish--slow yes, but the british needs a torp bomber :LOL:
A Fairey Barracuda would perhaps be a better choise for a torpedo bomber, and a Fairey Firefly as a british naval attack plane.
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Originally posted by Husky01
Bearkats saw absolutely no action in the war.
That's not true at all. I have it on good authority that in June of 1945 a Bearcat on liberty in the Philippines scored with an Army Nurse who "had never done anything like this before"
-Sik
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Originally posted by Ace8765
maybe so, they still should be added into the game
orginally posted by Lusche
thank god HTC is based on WWII fiction if you are looking for a fantasy game go some were else
:aok
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Originally posted by Ace8765
maybe so, they still should be added into the game
Yeah, and add the Bolo Mark XXXIII to the game too. It'd be kewl!
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Originally posted by Sikboy
That's not true at all. I have it on good authority that in June of 1945 a Bearcat on liberty in the Philippines scored with an Army Nurse who "had never done anything like this before"
-Sik
MAMAMIA!!!
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Bearcats saw very little action but they were used to help escort B-29s when they captured Iwo Jima and Okinowa
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All my sources sais World War II was over before the aircraft saw combat service. If you have documentation that supports something else then feel free to post it.
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Note: Wikipedia does not count.
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Production of the F8F-1 began just six months after the first flight of the prototype, and the first airplane was delivered to the US Navy's VF-19 squadron on 21 May 1945.
http://www.warbirdally.com
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notice that the first plane was delivered months before the war ended :D
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Originally posted by Ace8765
Bearcats saw very little action but they were used to help escort B-29s when they captured Iwo Jima and Okinowa
I thought P51 Mustang did that, and B29s didn't capture Iwo Jima, US Marines in LVTs did, anyway, if P51 weren't escorting the B29s wouldn't P47N take over?
I'm not sure of the P47 part, but F8F Bearcats were Naval fighters not Bomber escorts, would they even work at that high an altitude and be able to keep up with a B29?
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Last I heard, it took upwards of 3 months to just ship the planes to the bases in the pacific from California... That puts it about 2 months past the end of the war (at the earliest, not counting US-based training units, conversion orientation for pilots, pilot testing, etc)
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Originally posted by PanzerIV
I thought P51 Mustang did that, and B29s didn't capture Iwo Jima, US Marines in LVTs did, anyway, if P51 weren't escorting the B29s wouldn't P47N take over?
I'm not sure of the P47 part, but F8F Bearcats were Naval fighters not Bomber escorts, would they even work at that high an altitude and be able to keep up with a B29?
i didnt say that the bearcat captured iwo jima...
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btw the plane was delivered to the squadren in the pacific not at california... why would they bring the squadren to California just to get a new plane....
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Originally posted by Ace8765
notice that the first plane was delivered months before the war ended...
.......btw the plane was delivered to the squadron in the pacific not at California... why would they bring the squadron to California just to get a new plane....
A brand new, untested warplane coming off the line would not be sent straight to front line units for combat operations.
When you come up with a new plane, you build up and train squadrons, you fly and evaluate the new plane, and adjust any established doctrines you have in regards to that specific aircraft. For example: The A-26 Invaders were being delivered to the USAAF in 1943 for evaluation. They did not begin combat operations until late 1944 after front line evals resulted in design changes. A few planes out of production are often sent to front line, or secondary line, units for evaluation (this is what resulted in dropping the 75mm from the Invader, going with in-line wing guns rather than gun pods, and the canopy redesign) as part of the roll out.
Once the first few squadrons have completed being worked up, then they are sent forward into a combat zone for active operations. There was not enough time to do this with some of the planes being mentioned in this thread. War was over before they went operational.
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Originally posted by Ace8765
btw the plane was delivered to the squadren in the pacific not at california... why would they bring the squadren to California just to get a new plane....
You are incorrect sir. The Bearcat did not see any combat operations as when it was enroute to the combat zone of operations the war ended. They did not take part in any combat operations during World War II.
In May of 1945, the Bearcat was cleared to enter operational service not when it actually entered into service on a squadron level. VF19, aboard the USS Langley was in route across the Pacific when the war ended. So I do not see how they were able to escort B-29s when the war was over by the time they arrived in theater.
But as was mentioned in earlier posts, if you have any documents that show otherwise, by all means post them.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Hornet33
F7F never saw combat in WWII either.
it did how ever see combat in the Korean war.
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There was no such thing as an A6M4. The A6M4 designation was reserved for a turbocharged version of the A6M that never materialized.
Japanese aircraft that were used off of CV's that we lack:
A6M3
B6N2
D3Y1
That is all.
The B7A2 came too late and Japan had no more CVs. All of the B7A2's operational missions were flown from land bases.
The best British CV aircraft to add would be the Fairy Firefly. A Griffon engined fighter-bomber armed with four Hispanos.
The Fairy Fulmar would see some use in scenarios and the EWA.
The Swordfish and Skua would pretty much be limited to scenario usage.
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Seaplane? How about the F/A-18 Hornet? Ya i know it didnt see action in WW2 be then again neither did the RV8 :aok
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WHAT!!!?!?!?! so you're saying we cant have the f7f or the f8f? but the brits have the SPIT16!:mad: and the germans have the 109k4 and 262! ITS NOT FAIR :cry ! we need an uber sexy american plane (other then the P-38 :D )
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Originally posted by Ace8765
Bearcats saw very little action but they were used to help escort B-29s when they captured Iwo Jima and Okinowa
Roll me one would you? :rolleyes:
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Scorp:
We already have the F4U-4, which is the BEST prop fighter in the game.
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Originally posted by Saxman
Scorp:
We already have the F4U-4, which is the BEST prop fighter in the game.
109 is ze best!:mad: :furious
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Originally posted by WMDnow
The Bearcat was really ugly. There was no 'Sea Hurricane' It was called a Hurricat, it was launched off a catapult, it won't be in this game. We DON'T have enough Japanese planes, we have very few of them, I also would like Italian planes. Why a Tri-motor when we have a FASTER C47?
Man we need the trimotor b'cause it looks crappy to capture bases with a c47 when your an axis squad....
That and it was a bomber/torpedo plane as well. Come to think of it Ive wanted the Ju-52 for the longest time for the same reason, multifunctionality.
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Originally posted by PanzerIV
I thought P51 Mustang did that, and B29s didn't capture Iwo Jima, US Marines in LVTs did, anyway, if P51 weren't escorting the B29s wouldn't P47N take over?
I'm not sure of the P47 part, but F8F Bearcats were Naval fighters not Bomber escorts, would they even work at that high an altitude and be able to keep up with a B29?
you are very stupid you kno that :D
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You are incorrect sir. The Bearcat did not see any combat operations as when it was enroute to the combat zone of operations the war ended. They did not take part in any combat operations during World War II.
In May of 1945, the Bearcat was cleared to enter operational service not when it actually entered into service on a squadron level.VF19, aboard the USS Langley was in route across the Pacific when the war ended . So I do not see how they were able to escort B-29s when the war was over by the time they arrived in theater.
But as was mentioned in earlier posts, if you have any documents that show otherwise, by all means post them.
ack-ack
not sure on this source but it says the langley was scuttled in 1942, so im not sure how a squadron could be stationed on it in
1945.http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-l/cv1.htm
"While carrying Army fighters to the Netherlands East Indies on 27 February 1942, Langley was attacked by Japanese aircraft. Hit by several bombs and disabled, she was scuttled by her escorting destroyers."
Also I am positive the bearcat never saw service. I've read probably more than 200 books on the war in the pacific and it was never mentioned. It may have served in korea though.Heres a random google found source to collaborate this.
http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/aircraft/bearcat.htm
Its first flight was in August 1944, and while the first squadron of Bearcats was heading for the Pacific, the war ended before this excellent fighter could see operational use.
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I agree with what was said earlier, get the helldiver. It was better in every way than the SBD and more were produced than the SBD.
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F8F never saw combat with American forces. By Korea she had already been replaced by the first generation of naval jet fighters. She DID get into combat with the French, however.
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
not sure on this source but it says the langley was scuttled in 1942, so im not sure how a squadron could be stationed on it in
1945.http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-l/cv1.htm
"While carrying Army fighters to the Netherlands East Indies on 27 February 1942, Langley was attacked by Japanese aircraft. Hit by several bombs and disabled, she was scuttled by her escorting destroyers."
Also I am positive the bearcat never saw service. I've read probably more than 200 books on the war in the pacific and it was never mentioned. It may have served in korea though.Heres a random google found source to collaborate this.
The first Langley (CV-1) was the first aircraft carrier of the United States Navy, converted from the collier Jupiter in 1922, and scuttled in February 1942 after being disabled by the Japanese.
The second Langley (CVL-27) was a light aircraft carrier commissioned in 1943, active in World War II, and transferred to France in 1951.
Now you can see how a squadron could be attached to it. Yes, the Bearcat did see service at the very end of World War II, it just never saw combat during their service in the PTO.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Karnak
Japanese aircraft that were used off of CV's that we lack:
A6M3
B6N2
D3Y1
That is all.
Yokosuka D4Y Suisei "Judy", Mid-War bird. "The D4Y was operated from the following Japanese aircraft carriers: Chitose, Chiyoda, Hiyō, Junyō, Shinyo, Shōkaku, Sōryū, Taihō, Unryū, Unyo and Zuikaku." by one source.
Good Judy write up HERE. (http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbonne/warbirds/ww2htmls/yokod4y.html#yokod4yverstab)
First saw combat at Midway, the Soryu had two early versions reconfigured to the reconnaissance role.
And probably the best blue water plane we could get added to the game to help Japanese plane set for MW and LW SEA events, as well as provide a good, fast, dive bomber to carriers in MW and LW arena maps.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Yokosuka D4Y Suisei "Judy"
First saw combat at Midway, the Soryu had two early versions reconfigured to the reconnaissance role.
This may explain a question I've had for years. On his way back to the CV after his bombing attack on the Japanese fleet, Wade Mclusky repoted his SBD was attacked by a BF-109. I wonder if seeing the inline engine of a D4Y pointed at him, he mistook this for a 109?
I've read this account in Gordon Prange's Miracle at Midway and at least one other book covering the battle. I believe the early model D4Ys were all in-line engines, plus I didn't know any participated in the Battle of Midway.
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Originally posted by Shifty
This may explain a question I've had for years. On his way back to the CV after his bombing attack on the Japanese fleet, Wade Mclusky repoted his SBD was attacked by a BF-109. I wonder if seeing the inline engine of a D4Y pointed at him, he mistook this for a 109?
I've read this account in Gordon Prange's Miracle at Midway and at least one other book covering the battle. I believe the early model D4Ys were all in-line engines, plus I didn't know any participated in the Battle of Midway.
A lot of US pilots mistook the Ki-61 for the Bf 109E and some also reported it as a C.202. Maybe Wade Mclusky made the same ID error.
ack-ack
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The Ki-61 was a Japanese Army Bird, none ever operated off CVs. Midway was all CV based aircraft for the Japanese.
Actually that was one of my first thoughts. I wondered if the IJN maybe had a KI-61 variant they were testing.
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Originally posted by Hornet33
F7F never saw combat in WWII either.
The F7F is the one true anomaly we have. Development of the F7F actually started in 1938 with the F5F. The design was revised and updated in early 1941 (so way before pearl harbor). The production contract was actually signed in June 1941 (same day as the F6F)....so the F7F is a prewar contract. The plane 1st flew in 12/43 and was approved for fleet deployment in early 1944. The 1st F7F's were delivered to the fleet for active duty in April, 1944.
The F7F was operationally deployed well over a year before the end of the war. This is not a plane that "didnt make it" before the end of the war. It is a plane that simply was not deployed. While use of the plane in any scenario or other historical context would be inappropriate it's use in the general late war arena shouldnt be totally excluded.
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I'm not trying to pee in the holy grail here, but Main Arena Combat is hardly historical. I've often wondered what the big deal is about the aircraft actually having to been operational. Seriously how many time did 262s fight each other, or Spit16s have it out with LA-7s, or P-40s, fighting F4Fs?
The whole concept of main arena play is fictional, so why not add some of the late war planes that didn't get to the front in time? Okay I'm outta here before the thunderbolt hits me. :D
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Originally posted by Shifty
This may explain a question I've had for years. On his way back to the CV after his bombing attack on the Japanese fleet, Wade Mclusky repoted his SBD was attacked by a BF-109. I wonder if seeing the inline engine of a D4Y pointed at him, he mistook this for a 109?
I've read this account in Gordon Prange's Miracle at Midway and at least one other book covering the battle. I believe the early model D4Ys were all in-line engines, plus I didn't know any participated in the Battle of Midway.
Early D4Y's were inline and water cooled. They had a lot of problems, so later ones, at least those that went to the Navy for shipboard operations, were radial engine (which caused visibility problems in dive bombing role).
A number of Suisei were specifically outfitted for reconnaissance roles, and late in the war were pressed into service as bomber interceptors. Both of those D4Y's at Midway were lost with the Sōryū.
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Thanks for the info Tedrbr.
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Originally posted by Shifty
The Ki-61 was a Japanese Army Bird, none ever operated off CVs. Midway was all CV based aircraft for the Japanese.
Actually that was one of my first thoughts. I wondered if the IJN maybe had a KI-61 variant they were testing.
Oops, sorry missed the Miday location. Yeah, so since it was a naval aircraft it obviously couldn't be a Ki-61.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/D4Y2_before_take_off.jpg/800px-D4Y2_before_take_off.jpg)
From that angle, D4Y2 has a marked resemblence to the Ju87.
ack-ack
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Beaufighter
Nuff said
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Early D4Y's were inline and water cooled. They had a lot of problems, so later ones, at least those that went to the Navy for shipboard operations, were radial engine (which caused visibility problems in dive bombing role).
A number of Suisei were specifically outfitted for reconnaissance roles, and late in the war were pressed into service as bomber interceptors. Both of those D4Y's at Midway were lost with the Sōryū.
The D4Y1s used a license-built German DB 600 in-line engine and the major problems with the engine was maintenance and slow production of the engine and parts. There was nothing wrong with the engine itself. But the major problem with the early D4Ys were the wings. They would flutter in dives and could cause the wingspars to break.
Supposedly, the design of the D4Y was greatly influenced by the He118.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by ScorpCH
WHAT!!!?!?!?! so you're saying we cant have the f7f or the f8f? but the brits have the SPIT16!:mad: and the germans have the 109k4 and 262! ITS NOT FAIR :cry ! we need an uber sexy american plane (other then the P-38 :D )
I agree the USA CV forces are underpowered compared to the rest of the factions now cmon the Bearcat would help even it up!!!
:t
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Originally posted by Ace8765
I agree the USA CV forces are underpowered compared to the rest of the factions now cmon the Bearcat would help even it up!!!
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:huh
The best piston aircraft in the game is 1) US, 2) CV capable.
The F4U series, capped by the F4U-4 is second to none and ahead of all other series. Better than the Spitfires, better than the P-38s, better than the Bf109s, better than the P-51s, better that the Fw190s, better than the Lachovkins, better than the Hawkers and better than the P-47s.
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Originally posted by Karnak
:huh
The best piston aircraft in the game is 1) US, 2) CV capable.
The F4U series, capped by the F4U-4 is second to none and ahead of all other series. Better than the Spitfires, better than the P-38s, better than the Bf109s, better than the P-51s, better that the Fw190s, better than the Lachovkins, better than the Hawkers and better than the P-47s.
ehm..:D